Who will be the Moderators of SH5?

[pacific_breeze]

Hi, are we going to have Tambor198, klcaroll and Tuddley to look after SH5 forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[pacific_breeze]

Hi, are we going to have Tambor198, klcaroll and Tuddley to look after SH5 forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
Hi, are we going to have Tambor198, klcaroll and Tuddley to look after SH5 forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unless we here otherwise, all of you are stuck with us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[pacific_breeze]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
Hi, are we going to have Tambor198, klcaroll and Tuddley to look after SH5 forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unless we here otherwise, all of you are stuck with us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you guys are gonna be the SH5 MODs ... AWESOME!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
Hi, are we going to have Tambor198, klcaroll and Tuddley to look after SH5 forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unless we here otherwise, all of you are stuck with us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you guys are gonna be the SH5 MODs ... AWESOME!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[pacific_breeze]

So I should say .. WELCOME Tambor, klcaroll and Tuddley for moderating the SH5 forum .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There will be lots of things happening here for years to come .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
So I should say .. WELCOME Tambor, klcaroll and Tuddley for moderating the SH5 forum .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There will be lots of things happening here for years to come .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah, I kinda get that feeling also. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[Holtz_]

The SH5 moderators are currently refreshing their skills at forum training camp...

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/holtzbr/swat.jpg

[tambor198]

Not quite, Holtz. We use the Moderator's Lounge for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[tuddley3]

Well, this has been a morale booster. Thanks for all the kind remarks, lets us know we are appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

[Holtz_]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
Not quite, Holtz. We use the Moderator's Lounge for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have known!

[tuddley3]

The perks of being a moderator. Life's rough sometimes.

[Wolferz]

I'm sending that picture to your wives/girlfriends.

I will contact you with the terms of your surrender. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Wolferz]

Socko made me do it. Said he needed money.

[tuddley3]

Ah, a form of bribery huh ?

[Liddabit]

Not sure which I dislike more, Che shirts or Hooters restaurants http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[klcarroll]

@Liddabit;

Yeah, .....It always amazed me that "Hooters" survived "The Politically Correct 90's"!!

....And you do have to wonder if the guy with the "Che Shirt" really has any clue at all about who Ernesto "Che" Guevara really was, or what his philosophies were.

klcarroll

[bfogel]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
Not quite, Holtz. We use the Moderator's Lounge for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm kinda hoping that's NOT one of our guys wearing that tee featuring the mug of a ruthless murdering killer like Che!
I know it's a lil off topic, but this one always gets me. So far, no one I ever talked to that wore one that had the slightest idea who he was, who he killed or other unsavory things about him.
Just had to say something out of respect for the hundreds of innocents, children and everyday people that he killed or had killed. He was known to brag about it.
As far as I know he never did a single redeeming positive thing! He was disgusted with the Russians for NOT firing off the missiles they had and said that if they had been under Cuban control, they would have "fired them all off!" He would thereby have killed millions and commenced World War, Atomic war as it was known in those days, Nuclear War today. What a guy!
No one would wear a Ted Bundy, Slobodan Miloševi?, Dr. Josef Mengle, Jack the Ripper, Adolf, etc. tee, so why this P.O.C.???
Has this become "Cool" or are the young just too stupid to look beyond that which is declared "pop culture" by the infamous "they say?"
OK, Back on topic .... The trailer looks FANTASTIC! And perhaps worth considering an upgrade here and there for this baby! This will be a game of months and years, not minutes and hours.
To quote The Joker from "Batman", (Jack Nicholson's Joker) and speaking for the game ... "Wait until they get a load of me!"
.....
So, it will be GOOD, perhaps even Great!
Right .... so those Grey Wolves must be just tingling to get a hold of this monster!
Hey, Dev Team Guys, sure would be nice if it were easy to add stuff that will undoubtedly be on the want list later, although, having seen the trailer a couple of times .... OK, a lot of times, I'm hard pressed to think of what it might be.
Some one will doubtless want to read a book or letter that's seen on a bunk! Or pick something up and move it, put it in a pocket, whatever... it looks fabulous guys, BRAVO!

[tambor198]

It seems I have made a mistake and when that happens I try mend the ways. So in order to not further offend anyone I have removed the offending picture. I apologize for my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

[Raide]

The current Silent Hunter Moderators do a great job, so there is no reason why they should not take care of Silent Hunter 5.


Well, only if they bribe me with cookies of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

[BTOG46]

Raide, your addiction to cookie bribes is reaching a worrying level, it may be time you checked in at the Ubi Clinic for cookie addicts...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Maybe you should read the detox brochure:

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Runs every Monday (rooms ready 12.00noon) and your detox finishes with a delicious salad lunch on Saturday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[pacific_breeze]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Raide:
Well, only if they bribe me with cookies of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh .. hey Raide .. long time no see .. so .. what's up .. I heard that SHV forum needs more Moderator .. is it true? oh well .. don't mind for few free games to do the job .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, have you tried this cookie ? Vegan Chocolate Cherry cookie .. I also have a jar of these .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Jacy%20Wojcik/11132008-chicagoist-cookie.jpg

[RockinRobbins]

Who needs moderators? Let the dogs of chaos rule! Or not...

[Liddabit]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
It seems I have made a mistake and when that happens I try mend the ways. So in order to not further offend anyone I have removed the offending picture. I apologize for my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Silly! I wasn't offended! Just stating a dislike:P!

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liddabit:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
It seems I have made a mistake and when that happens I try mend the ways. So in order to not further offend anyone I have removed the offending picture. I apologize for my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Silly! I wasn't offended! Just stating a dislike:P! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Understood, Liddabit. Just trying to mend my ways. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RockinRobbins:
Who needs moderators? Let the dogs of chaos rule! Or not... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



OK, for that RR, we'll be keeping an eye on you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[MWolfe1963]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RockinRobbins:
Who needs moderators? Let the dogs of chaos rule! Or not... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



OK, for that RR, we'll be keeping an eye on you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could you imagine giving RR his full range of expression....Be nice to allow it for one day.

We need a sticky thread that allows just that, with no moderators, a free for all,

[tuddley3]

Yeah right, that'll happen the day pigs fly. And I'm not talking about when Socko shoots them from a catapult for target practice.

[Socko2008]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We need a sticky thread that allows just that, with no moderators, a free for all, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q84/klcarroll/Sockodiscussesopenthreads.jpg

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Socko2008:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We need a sticky thread that allows just that, with no moderators, a free for all, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q84/klcarroll/Sockodiscussesopenthreads.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Now see what you've done, MWolfe. You've gotten Socko all excited. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[pacific_breeze]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:

Now see what you've done, MWolfe. You've gotten Socko all excited. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Opportunity!! Lure Sockette first with this

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Jacy%20Wojcik/11132008-chicagoist-cookie.jpg

then Socko should follow her out!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Socko2008]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q84/klcarroll/Sockodiscussescookies.jpg

[owner20071963]

As i'm not in great health Posting here,
I know Personally Tudd and the rest here do a Fantastic job,
Salute to Ye All,
May we All grow with Ubisoft & the future of Silent Hunter,
Above all enjoy Silent Hunter,
like CSP? we are all friends here,
have Fun.

[Samofrome]

i will not accapt being a moderator in any forum room at all (for at least [maybe] 10000 years)
so thats one off , only a couple thoused (can't spell) to go

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Samofrome:
i will not accapt being a moderator in any forum room at all (for at least [maybe] 10000 years)
so thats one off , only a couple thoused (can't spell) to go </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


We'll hold you to that proposal, Samofrome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[Samofrome]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tambor198:
We'll hold you to that proposal, Samofrome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

proposal???
Samofrome

[Samofrome]

now in all fourms for SH (apart from this one) tambor and tudds are moderators so tambor, tudds, you get my vote
Sam

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Samofrome:
now in all fourms for SH (apart from this one) tambor and tudds are moderators so tambor, tudds, you get my vote
Sam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tambor and Tuddly are the moderators in here as well, I'm not sure why you think they're not but if you look at the top of the board they're names are listed just above the function buttons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Samofrome]

thanks
Sam

[owner20071963]

Moderators here do a Top Job http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif ,
May we hope they will be here for the SH5 Forums,
& Also give them first info on SH5 Here On Ubisoft Forums,We Salute Your Work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Samofrome:
now in all fourms for SH (apart from this one) tambor and tudds are moderators so tambor, tudds, you get my vote
Sam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tambor and Tuddly are the moderators in here as well, I'm not sure why you think they're not but if you look at the top of the board they're names are listed just above the function buttons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img232/3115/fixedma2.gif

[pacific_breeze]

Tambor and Tuddley Rule da House .. http://foolstown.com/sm/nunu.gif http://foolstown.com/sm/shv.gif
http://foolstown.com/sm/shv.gif
http://foolstown.com/sm/kar.gif

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
Tambor and Tuddley Rule da House .. http://foolstown.com/sm/nunu.gif http://foolstown.com/sm/shv.gif
http://foolstown.com/sm/shv.gif
http://foolstown.com/sm/kar.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7759/bowrd6.gif http://forum.digital-digest.com/images/smilies/1/bowing.gif

http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/110104/110104_emM5.gif

[tuddley3]

I am flattered by your words everyone, thank you.

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3:
I am flattered by your words everyone, thank you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree, tuddley. It's nice to be appreciated. Thanks everyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Trigzdsh]

is it me or have we gone off topic?

[Samofrome]

me, no
to anyone esle, don't know
Sam

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trigzdsh:
is it me or have we gone off topic? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shhhh, I'm enjoying the spotlight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

[Samofrome]

what has happened to tuds?
all the mods are going

[socko2009]

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad334/sockmeister/SockodiscussesRULES.jpg

[Maverick_U2007]

Jambo, KCaroll and now Tuds, all respected members of the forum...all no longer moderators...

Ubi???....any comment?????

Even a PM???

Maverick

[BTOG46]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Jambo, KCaroll and now Tuds, all respected members of the forum...all no longer moderators...

Ubi???....any comment?????

Even a PM???

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jambo left SH to moderate the Assassins Creed, Splinter Cell and General Discussions Forums, as for klcarroll and tuddley3, you'll have to ask them in PM's as <STRIKE>klcarroll</STRIKE> socko2009 has said.

New moderators will be appointed shortly for the SH forums. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[jimbuna]

Hmmmm.....
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif
http://funnies.mgsrvr.com/sherlock_smoking_lg_nwm.gif http://funnies.mgsrvr.com/detective_magnifying_glass_lg_nwm.gif

[Maverick_U2007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BTOG46:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Jambo, KCaroll and now Tuds, all respected members of the forum...all no longer moderators...

Ubi???....any comment?????

Even a PM???

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jambo left SH to moderate the Assassins Creed, Splinter Cell and General Discussions Forums, as for klcarroll and tuddley3, you'll have to ask them in PM's as <STRIKE>klcarroll</STRIKE> socko2009 has said.

New moderators will be appointed shortly for the SH forums. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok took your advice and am now aware of the reason why he is no longer moderating.

Can I ask the question,

"I cannot speak German but are the rules at the German Ubi site the same rules that apply here???"

Maverick

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BTOG46:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Jambo, KCaroll and now Tuds, all respected members of the forum...all no longer moderators...

Ubi???....any comment?????

Even a PM???

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jambo left SH to moderate the Assassins Creed, Splinter Cell and General Discussions Forums, as for klcarroll and tuddley3, you'll have to ask them in PM's as <STRIKE>klcarroll</STRIKE> socko2009 has said.

New moderators will be appointed shortly for the SH forums. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's the pay like, or is the essential criteria simply 'a yes person'

I find it a little concerning for the community that a shuffle of management takes place and is closely followed by a series of resignations....or would it be more accurate to use the term dismissals?

Surely this is the last thing the community needs at this point in time, especially when interest in the forthcoming SHV is at such a hightened level.

Would it not be possible for all parties concerned to enter into meaningful discussions with a view to achieving a satisfactory outcome that would be acceptable to everyone?

Another concern that I suspect might be shared with other forum members is the possible reluctance of anyone wishing to become a moderator feeling unable to as it might be seen as picking up the poisoned challice.

[Pacific_Ace]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">New moderators will be appointed shortly for the SH forums </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I look forward with great interest in whom you will find that could be better at it than Tuddley.
When forced to be the bad guy he did so with respect to the offending party, even when said party did not deserve such.
As a helpful member of this community, well his only equal is Tambor and there are none better that Ive seen.
We are a community, BTOG, and someone has come in here screwing with us, screwing with our friends and people who have EARNED our respect and admiration, and as you may have noticed, we are not tolerating it to well.
So please, take what Jimbuna said to heart, and you all have a chat that gets things straight, and Tuddley back here where he belongs.

[Maverick_U2007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pacific_Ace:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">New moderators will be appointed shortly for the SH forums </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I look forward with great interest in whom you will find that could be better at it than Tuddley.
When forced to be the bad guy he did so with respect to the offending party, even when said party did not deserve such.
As a helpful member of this community, well his only equal is Tambor and there are none better that Ive seen.
We are a community, BTOG, and someone has come in here screwing with us, screwing with our friends and people who have EARNED our respect and admiration, and as you may have noticed, we are not tolerating it to well.
So please, take what Jimbuna said to heart, and you all have a chat that gets things straight, and Tuddley back here where he belongs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I concur with everything that both Pacific-ace and jimbuna have said. The issue around Tuddley is all to do with his reproducing something that already existed on the German side of the Ubisoft forums. Sorry but rules are rules and if something is allowed there then it is only right that the same information should be allowed to appear here.

Maverick

[BTOG46]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:

I concur with everything that both Pacific-ace and jimbuna have said. The issue around Tuddley is all to do with his reproducing something that already existed on the German side of the Ubisoft forums. Sorry but rules are rules and if something is allowed there then it is only right that the same information should be allowed to appear here.

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The German site has basically the same rules and ToU as the English site.

I can only assume that the German moderating and management staff allowed the thread because the OP did not post any links to the no CD crack, the only link he posted was to the legal StarForce removal tool.

Although still debatable as far as the rules and ToU are concerned, the only mention he makes of the no CD crack, is to tell people to search for it, and how to use it, at no stage does he provide a link to the crack.

It was providing a link to the crack, and putting the link in an official useful links sticky, that probably led to tuddley3 being removed as a moderator here.

[RockinRobbins]

The fact is Ubi OWNS the Silent Hunter series. It is not our right to decide what they will permit to be used with their property. They have the mostly unlimited right to decide, reasonably or unreasonably, what we can do with their game.

The owner of a forum has a similar right to ban or not ban irrespective of any posted rules, to violate any and all such rules themselves without consequence and without regard to reasonableness or fairness.

Life's tough and then you die. Forum rules aren't worth the electrons that compose them. The only issue is whether the owners and moderators approve of whatever is happening. The answer is in! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!...

I would say that defeating Ubi's copy protection system on any disk, even when subsequent issues of the game do not include that copy protection seem to be perceived as against their interest....unless and until they clearly say differently. Even then they can squash you like a bug for no particular reason.

If you think that's bad, you're right until you consider the alternatives, which are all worse.

[Maverick_U2007]

Ok, we've gone round the houses and got to know the reason why Tuddley was removed as a moderator and BTOG seems to put things in perspective. So how to move on????

Secenario: I go off on one in a post and **** off every moderator and Ubisoft and get a warning, second time, I get told any more and I'm on holiday for a week (always makes me have a laugh that one) and the I go and be stupid again and I am on short term Holiday courtesy of Ubi..(Thankyou). Then I am allowed back and am warned as to my future conduct. If I then go and do something completely stupid I then get a permanent Vacation. And quite rightly so.

Tuddley3, really nice guy, well respected Moderator and member of Silent hunter Forum, does something wrong and that's it he's off the moderator list.

Come on ubi, lets get into the spirit of the forthcoming season (well there are Christmas lights up in some shops) and lighten up a bit, yeah personalities are involved and peoples ego's may have been ruffled a bit, but just remember we have about 100 MP's sat in the House of Commons in London who have 'overstepped' the mark and yet we still look at them, not just to moderate but still deal with running the Country.

Lets shake hands, make up and give Tuddley his stripes back.....you know you want to..????

Maverick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Can I ask the question,

"I cannot speak German but are the rules at the German Ubi site the same rules that apply here???"

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can certainly ask the question and I will answer as best as I can at this time.

In theory yes the rules are the same. However in practice not entirely

By that I mean....

Each country in which Ubisoft operates has its own government laws that we must work within, this is a large reason why you so often see competitions and tournaments which are regional and restricted to certain countries. The difference in laws between countries and US states can make holding such competitions across countries and state boundaries a very difficult task.

The rules within the English speaking forums are based on Ubisoft policy and laws within the UK and US as we share forums, however some EU countries can modify the rules in their regions because they don’t have to cover the same ‘laws’ as we do.

Its for this reason the rules across forums are not always precisely the same or enforced as they are here.

However.......... the this specific issue is one which without question needs resolution and we have been actively contacting those we need to discuss the matter with. Firstly to establish why they’re promoting it as they are (albeit somewhat more subtly). We need to understand for your benefit if this is a local law issue allowing it there and not here, and if not establish the official stance across ALL forums so this kind of issue does not arise again in the future.

Sadly this kind of process can take time, and as much as I’d like to be able to get answers within minutes or even hours and days it’s simply not possible. An issue as important as this needs to be taken through all appropriate persons, if for no other reason than to ensure once a stance is agreed it is final and cannot then be overturned because someone was not previously consulted on the matter.

I hope that goes someway to addressing your questions

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Tuddley3, really nice guy, well respected Moderator and member of Silent hunter Forum, does something wrong and that's it he's off the moderator list. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure you can appreciate it would be highly inappropriate for me to discuss specifics but can assure you there was more to it than that, contrary to popular belief I didn’t have a bad day and decide to take it out on someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BTOG46:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:

I concur with everything that both Pacific-ace and jimbuna have said. The issue around Tuddley is all to do with his reproducing something that already existed on the German side of the Ubisoft forums. Sorry but rules are rules and if something is allowed there then it is only right that the same information should be allowed to appear here.

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The German site has basically the same rules and ToU as the English site.

I can only assume that the German moderating and management staff allowed the thread because the OP did not post any links to the no CD crack, the only link he posted was to the legal StarForce removal tool.

Although still debatable as far as the rules and ToU are concerned, the only mention he makes of the no CD crack, is to tell people to search for it, and how to use it, at no stage does he provide a link to the crack.

It was providing a link to the crack, and putting the link in an official useful links sticky, that probably led to tuddley3 being removed as a moderator here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So is this the final position from Ubisoft on the matter?

No dialogue or arbitration?

Not a peep from ms-kleaneasy?

If this is in fact the case then let me state 'Not your finest moment Ubisoft'.....you've done little more than reinforce the views of those in the community who believe you care little for the viewpoints and concerns of those who support your products.


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@Jimbuna
Posting of such pictures is in very poor taste and has been removed. I expect better of you, sir.</span>

[RockinRobbins]

It seems like there is much not being said, especially from the tenor of ms-kleaneasy's PM to Tuddley, which was published.

Ubi is being more than reasonable in letting us know things we don't have a right to know. This is strictly between Tuddley and the owners of the Ubi forums, and the rules don't apply there. These are people working out differences in the face of provocation by Tuddley.

I have no doubt that whether Tuddley gets to be moderator here or not, Ubi SH Forum will continue to be a great place. Don't make their problems into your problems. There's nothing to be gained from that. Just remember: we don't know everything so we don't know what is fair and what is not.

If Ubi decides we have a right or a need to know everything, they might tell us. Otherwise, we will never know. In any event it would be best not to do the Maverick scenario and later be very embarrassed if the facts come out.

I think we owe both Ubi and Tuddley the benefit of the doubt here and should hold our fire.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/shootingsmilie.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
Not a peep from ms-kleaneasy? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I replied on the previous page http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
but can assure you there was more to it than that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
By all means, I give you permission to prove that point, instead of trying to cover your own (censored). You always say one thing, but never give proof about something because it "can't be discussed". You can talk the talk Lisa, but you can't walk the walk, is that it ?

Go ahead and do what it takes to embarrass me in front of everybody, pleas I'm begging you. I can just as easily share all our conversations with everyone to show them where I stand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
but can assure you there was more to it than that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
By all means, I give you permission to prove that point, instead of trying to cover your own (censored). You always say one thing, but never give proof about something because it "can't be discussed". You can talk the talk Lisa, but you can't walk the walk, is that it ?

Go ahead and do what it takes to embarrass me in front of everybody, pleas I'm begging you. I can just as easily share all our conversations with everyone to show them where I stand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tuddley I have no desire to embarrass you or anyone. Where you stand is not what the discussion is about, but having chosen to air your laundry in public how you came to no longer be on the moderator team.

I cannot reveal the conversation as it was held in private topic and my doing so would be a clear breach of your privacy, as a manager I cannot do that but I can assure you I have no issue with their contents.

Now I have no desire to hold an argument in public, I responded to this thread to clarify the concerns over the difference in moderation here and the German forum. If you wish to argue contact me in PT

[Pacific_Ace]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Now I have no desire to hold an argument in public, I responded to this thread to clarify the concerns over the difference in moderation here and the German forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
With all due respect, in public is exactly where the discussion needs to be. Notice I did not use the word 'argument'.
The fact is, there is a perception here of injustice and discrimination, and saying, 'oh, its a matter of legal issues' does not wash.
It makes me think that after all this time, Ubi still does not grasp the damage it did itself and the ill will it garnered with the whole Starforce debacle.
Ma'am, if what I understand to be the situation is true, you had not hours nor days, but WEEKS to get some kind of clarification on this matter, and you did not.

Now here is the matter in a nutshell as I see it, and seems to me most everyone else sees it.
To this day there is an issue with Starforce. People that happen to speak German can easily access the German forum and get the correct link to the fix. Those of us who don't speak German are left holding the bag, and the mods hands are tied. We are discriminated against. None of this has anything to do with actually being in Germany, since I live in the US and I have accessed that forum at times, as I do speak some German. Others outside of Germany have free access to the site and the link in question. Logic tells me then that this is not a matter of international law, its a matter of someone at Ubi not wanting the rest of the world to know about that piece of information. In short, the whole stupid mess makes zero sense and defies logic. And here you come, new to us and to be blunt, you have done a really silly thing in firing two Mods in a row. This is the Internet, and this is a small community and the very last thing Ubi can afford is to alienate that community right before SH5 comes out, and yet that is EXACTLY what you are busy doing.
Tuddley may have screwed up from your point of view. From our point of view he was trying to right a serious wrong, and you've made a martyr of him. Truth be told, no one in their right mind would accept a position as moderator on these forums under the current conditions, so I don't even see how he or Kent could be replaced.

[swatts]

Wow its nice to see so many BTSMods.com admin and members posting in one thread

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pacific_Ace:
The fact is, there is a perception here of injustice and discrimination, and saying, 'oh, its a matter of legal issues' does not wash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pacific Ace when did I say it was a matter of legal issues?

I said we don’t know why they're publishing the information while we're not allowed and trying to establish the reasons, one of which could be the difference in local laws. It was simply an example of what often happens as many are understandably struggling to see why different countries forums under the same company can hold different rules.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pacific_Ace:
Ma'am, if what I understand to be the situation is true, you had not hours nor days, but WEEKS to get some kind of clarification on this matter, and you did not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And therein lies the problem, people are getting angry and upset about a situation they know very little of at best and at worst nothing.

There was no suggestion of reposting the links until Saturday at which point I was working away, by the time I returned to the board they had already been reposted.

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by swatts:
Wow its nice to see so many BTSMods.com admin and members posting in one thread </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a little more detective work and you'll probably come to the realisation that the same folk frequent numerous other forums as well.

[swatts]

I don't know why you are all acting like you don't Know what happened as even as a guest you can read all about it on BtSmods.com and also see the Private Messages that Ms Kleaneasy sent to him.
So much for the PRIVATE in Message

[BtS-SWCowboy]

Privacy does not exist on the internet Mr. Watts... if you want privacy may I suggest you lock your doors and unplug your internet connection. Who are you to decide and judge what gets posted on a private website?

Now that I've completely de-railed the topic, it would be nice to see Ubisoft address the issue of Starfarce once and for all. I'm a sailor by profession and I don't have near the linguistics that Pacific Ace does, so I'll just say an x2 to that.

In hindsight and to be perfectly honest with you, I've got no interest in buying products from a company that refuses to listen to it's small group of loyal purchasers who have kept the genre afloat for as many titles as they have released......

[swatts]

Thank you for your input Mr Cowboy and since it seems you addressed me
I would like to say that did you not ban one of your members for something he posted in his private/limited access messages which another member decided to openly post on your site. (can you guess who)
So yes I can see why you would think it is right to openly post a P.M. that is not intended for public view.
And if BTS is a private site then why is it open to Guest viewing.

[BtS-SWCowboy]

To be perfectly honest with you Steve, I'm not at the helm of that branch of BtS. You would have to address that to its present owners if you feel it's that pressing of a matter.

What you posted simply had no business being aired in the open. The difference in these situations is that we already know there is a fix for a specific problem that isn't being dealt with by Ubisoft on the English side, and has already been fixed on the German side of the community.

Frankly, if you'd like to have a one-on-one chat with me my ventrilo server address is posted on my website, click the sig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Vent is free, all you need is a mic. I'm open to conversation - and, as a matter of fact, it's been a good long time since I've had a ****ing contest trying to decide who has the larger package. So if you feel froggy the invite is open, I've got 50 slots open to anyone interested in hearing this as well. I'm just a dumb mech, I can't type very fast so feel free to drop me a line...........

[swatts]

I merely answered your directed statement at me. I am sorry if you feel the need to attempt to carry this on and again in public.
Thank you for your kind offer but no thanks.

[BtS-SWCowboy]

Hey whenever you feel the need to bring something up again, I'm here for you man...

[swatts]

Most generous of you to take the time to take to me
thanks Russ

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pacific_Ace:
Ma'am, if what I understand to be the situation is true, you had not hours nor days, but WEEKS to get some kind of clarification on this matter, and you did not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And therein lies the problem, people are getting angry and upset about a situation they know very little of at best and at worst nothing.

There was no suggestion of reposting the links until Saturday at which point I was working away, by the time I returned to the board they had already been reposted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3: Posted Tue October 20 2009 10:22
Ok, I'll step aside and let you guys handle this. But if I don't hear anything by the end of the month, I'll assume nothing is being done.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remember when I posted this. Time is running out, and I've not heard anything about this. November 1st I am putting my thread back up, with the link to the German site thread/sticky.

So how about this, if nothing has been done by then, we leave mine up until something can be figured out. If not, you can remove mine, and have the NoCD banned from the German site as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BtS-SWCowboy:
The difference in these situations is that we already know there is a fix for a specific problem that isn't being dealt with by Ubisoft on the English side, and has already been fixed on the German side of the community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I’m unsure how a difference in forum policy stops a conversation being private?

You may very well know there is a difference in policy and know that’s causing frustration for members and moderators, what you don’t know is how the matter was handled by all involved and how it reached this point.

That was and should have remained private if nothing else because short of publishing the entire stream of conversation it’s not possible for anyone not involved to get a clear picture.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3:
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tuddley3: Posted Tue October 20 2009 10:22
Ok, I'll step aside and let you guys handle this. But if I don't hear anything by the end of the month, I'll assume nothing is being done.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remember when I posted this. Time is running out, and I've not heard anything about this. November 1st I am putting my thread back up, with the link to the German site thread/sticky.

So how about this, if nothing has been done by then, we leave mine up until something can be figured out. If not, you can remove mine, and have the NoCD banned from the German site as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tuddley ” Ok, I'll step aside and let you guys handle this. But if I don't hear anything by the end of the month, I'll assume nothing is being done." makes no reference of reposting the thread/links, had it done I would’ve have addressed it at that time. The first mention of reposting was on Saturday 31st October.

Now please, we’ve discussed this at great length in PT, if you wish to continue discussing it contact me there.

[Maverick_U2007]

Sometimes all these 'quote' postings can become quite difficult to follow and actually see who has said what, when and in what context, I mean if you want to get the full picture for this current debate you have to re-read a couple of pages just to ensure you are clear about who said what.

Is this what this whole tale is about, people missing PM by other people, people being away and not able to deal with things there and then which we all must accept does frustrate people.

From what I have read at the moment, in tennis terms '40 all', with no-one actually coming out on top. Personalities are agreat things aren't they...definitely make the world an interesting place.

How about taking it to ACAS (Uk arbitrations service) or giving it to the Post Office, they all seem to be mates again...well I got my post this morning!!!!(Bills as usual)

No seriously...is there any chance of behind the scene talks...'joint statement' as to rights and wrongs of actions taken...Tudds moderates the forum and assists with the upcoming release of SH5 and we all get back to talking about 'dynamic shadows' and 'wishes for multiplayer' and all other serious subjects which should be dominating these forums at the moment.

Maverick...

PS Always said that the UK should have stayed out of Europe...always gonna be problems!!!

[ms-kleaneasy]

Maverick you are absolutely right, it is impossible for anyone to keep a track of who said what, when and in what context without seeing the entire discussion in full which is not the case here as only fragments have been shown, and that is precisely why this kind of discussion should never be held on the public boards.

However this tale isn’t about people missing PT’s and messages though, the dates of messages read and missed only came into question after the fact and because the matter was brought into the public arena with a different slant than actually occurred.

But as I’ve said this really is a matter which should be discussed in PT between Tuddley, me and any other manager he wishes to talk to.

As members all you need to know at this time is that the issue of no CD cracks and how they’re policed on the boards has not been dropped and as soon as we’ve cleared up the matter I will update you all.

[Maverick_U2007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Maverick you are absolutely right, it is impossible for anyone to keep a track of who said what, when and in what context without seeing the entire discussion in full which is not the case here as only fragments have been shown, and that is precisely why this kind of discussion should never be held on the public boards.

However this tale isn’t about people missing PT’s and messages though, the dates of messages read and missed only came into question after the fact and because the matter was brought into the public arena with a different slant than actually occurred.

But as I’ve said this really is a matter which should be discussed in PT between Tuddley, me and any other manager he wishes to talk to.

As members all you need to know at this time is that the issue of no CD cracks and how they’re policed on the boards has not been dropped and as soon as we’ve cleared up the matter I will update you all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you missed just a little bit off the end....

...and when it is appropriate for Tudlley3 to be re-instated as a Moderator".

Am sure it was just an oversight.

Maverick

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
you missed just a little bit off the end....

...and when it is appropriate for Tudlley3 to be re-instated as a Moderator".

Am sure it was just an oversight.

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No oversight, Tuddley knows the answer to that question and why.

[pacific_breeze]

If this conversation continues then it will never end. I'm not on anyone side but I think we should drop the conversation about Tudd here. People, basically us, UBI Managers and Tudd may have different perspectives about the situation. I think by now some individuals (in public) know (roughly) what has happened so let's not putting the heat in this situation.

While most of us want to have Tudd back, I hope we can stay ourselves cool and let the private matter now be discussed between Tudd and the UBI Managers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from this point let's move on shall we .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Now please, we’ve discussed this at great length in PT, if you wish to continue discussing it contact me there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me Lisa, I remember this conversation happening, and sounds as though discussing matters via PM would be useless (As has already been proven)...
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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Wed November 04 2009 01:56 Hide Post
Tuddly the files within the game are not illegal, on their own and used as a no CD crack they are.

With regard to my conversations with others, you’re in no position to demand anything.

The situation is being looked into and your handling of it then and now has led us here.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">I see no benefit of discussing this matter further so will not be responding to any further replies on your part, you may assume what you like as its clear nothing said will convince you to the contrary.</span>

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
you missed just a little bit off the end....

...and when it is appropriate for Tudlley3 to be re-instated as a Moderator".

Am sure it was just an oversight.

Maverick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No oversight, Tuddley knows the answer to that question and why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I don't, won't you please explain that to us all.

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
If this conversation continues then it will never end. I'm not on anyone side but I think we should drop the conversation about Tudd here. People, basically us, UBI Managers and Tudd may have different perspectives about the situation. I think by now some individuals (in public) know (roughly) what has happened so let's not putting the heat in this situation.

While most of us want to have Tudd back, I hope we can stay ourselves cool and let the private matter now be discussed between Tudd and the UBI Managers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from this point let's move on shall we .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We all have different perspectives on this because no one has been given any proper reason from ms-kleaneasy, because she only backs herself up by saying everything discussed by her supervisors is "Top Secret". As far as I'm concerned, she has not even discussed this with any of her supervisors.

As far as discussing matters privately with Ubi Managers, read my second to last post above, highlighten in yellow. Won't do any good now, as she bluntly says she's going to ignore me from now on.

And for the good of this community, I will not back down on this situation until something has been done about it. So we will move on once something has been done. You aren't about to see me throw up a white flag in defeat.

[tuddley3]

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Maverick you are absolutely right, it is impossible for anyone to keep a track of who said what, when and in what context without seeing the entire discussion in full which is not the case here as only fragments have been shown, and that is precisely why this kind of discussion should never be held on the public boards.

However this tale isn’t about people missing PT’s and messages though, the dates of messages read and missed only came into question after the fact and because the matter was brought into the public arena with a different slant than actually occurred.

But as I’ve said this really is a matter which should be discussed in PT between Tuddley, me and any other manager he wishes to talk to.

As members all you need to know at this time is that the issue of no CD cracks and how they’re policed on the boards has not been dropped and as soon as we’ve cleared up the matter I will update you all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, no more fragments. I will post everything in it's entirety, both discussions. I have nothing to hide, and as you will see, I have gotten NO answers from ms-kleaneasy, no proof anything is being done, and accepts no help from me or anyone else (such as translators, as the language barrier is part of the problem).

[tuddley3]

tuddley3

Posted Wed October 14 2009 01:21
Lisa, there is a "patch" made for SH3 to bypass Starforce. As far as I am aware, it is not in Ubisoft's best interest to discuss such things in their forums.

BUT, in the German Silent Hunter III forums, there is a sticky about this, promoting the fact that it is ok to use. Before Raide left, I had him try to ask someone if it is actually fine to talk about this in the English forums, but I have not heard back on this for obvious reasons.

Apparently someone has got the OK from Ubisoft to discuss it in the forums, but in my forum, we still think otherwise and have been warning everyone NOT to post content discussing this subject.

Could you please find out from someone if we can have permission to include this as a "legal" topic in the Silent Hunter forums. This would be a big help, and less confusing.

Thank you,
Todd

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Wed October 14 2009 11:47 Hide Post
Hi

As a general rule you are quite right that any discussion of a no CD crack isn’t permitted on the boards. Sadly this gets a little confusing when other official forums permit it, and as you may or may not be aware our very own tech support released a no CD crack for R6 which they later retracted after its source was questioned (i.e. it was created by a community member and not Ubisoft)

It puts us in an impossible situation as we want players to be able to play and these often resolve so many issues for legitimate players but the nature of such files makes having a general rule to allow almost impossible.

Given in this instance the German forums are actively promoting it I will see if we can get the same rule for us, I suspect if they agree we will rather than promote it as they have simply allow discussion in appropriate threads and turn a blind eye but I must be honest I don’t anticipate us having much luck on the matter.

Either way though we do need clarity for both the members and yourselves so I'll get onto this a.s.a.p.
Pete's out of the office all week so I probably won’t get anything firm until early next week but will get back to you without fail by then Smile

Lisa

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Wed October 14 2009 13:17 Hide Post
Got a reply already Smile

Ok we're good to go on taking a blind eye direction on this particularly as its an older game Thumbs Up

Try to encourage members to discuss in PT but forum posts will be ok also so long as they dont start filling the board.

Any questions just holler Smile

Lisa

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tuddley3

Posted Wed October 14 2009 14:04 Hide Post
You are wonderful, thank you.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Thu October 15 2009 05:29 Hide Post
No problem, glad to help

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Fri October 16 2009 08:38 Hide Post
Hi tuddly

I was a little surprised to see this thread on the SH forums today. I had thought I was clear that we were allowing you as moderators to deal with the issue of no CD cracks on the basis of turning a blind eye when seen, not actively promoting the idea which is not something we can permit.

With this in mind I’ve moved the thread to the trashcan, I note from the thread you’re uploading the no CD crack to give out to fellow SH players, and this is fine however as a moderator you will need to be discrete in how you hand it out. I would strongly advise only posting the link in PT discussion.

If you’re in any way unsure of the situation please dont hesitate to ask.

Lisa

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tuddley3

Posted Fri October 16 2009 08:56 Hide Post
Ah ok, I didn't understand what you meant by blind eye approach. For now on, I will discretely distribute these files out of the public eye.

Sorry about that.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Fri October 16 2009 11:16 Hide Post
No problem, these things happen Smile

On a side note, I'm just sorting out the reshuffle and stickies etc in the SH forums. One of them was a notice about changes to an external site you're involved with?

You were obviously not told before but we aren’t allowed to create stickies for issues/ information on sites, games and issues external to Ubisoft, sorry about that

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tuddley3

Posted Fri October 16 2009 12:49 Hide Post

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Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:

You were obviously not told before but we aren’t allowed to create stickies for issues/ information on sites, games and issues external to Ubisoft, sorry about that



Even when it is 100% related to Silent Hunter, and I bring people to Ubisoft forums ? I'm not *****ing like KLCarroll, well maybe a little, but you've got to do what you got to do.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Fri October 16 2009 12:52 Hide Post
The problem is members cant have a sticky promoting or giving information on their fansites, so giving them to moderators looks like one rule for one and another for others if you get me.

What you could do is have a section within the useful links threads to list fansite links, and invite members to include theirs through another thread Wink

Bear in mind if you do that you will need to include a byline that the links are to external sites that Ubisoft has no control over and cannot be held responsible for content etc

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tuddley3

Posted Fri October 16 2009 13:55 Hide Post
Ah I gotcha. I can use the Manuals, Tools, Mods, Tweaks ... link, and place a small introduction to BtS in there ? Is that what you are suggesting. To me that would be just as good as a sticky.

Today I have gained lots of respect for you. You could have jumped down my throat more than once today, but you ended up giving me alternative ways to handle my mistakes. I appreciate that. Knowing you will be here for us, makes the coming months seem a little easier to digest.

Not sure you are a baseball fan, but since you are from California too, wouldn't it be cool if the Angel's and the Dodger's played each other in the World Series. I think a "Freeway Series" would be extra cool.

Thanks Lisa,
Todd

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Fri October 16 2009 14:17 Hide Post
You could use that link, or create a seperate list of fansites among the thread created tonight and add bts to that, either is good with me Smile

and I'm glad to be of help Big Grin

Not that I'm not a baseball fan but more than we dont really have baseball over here so I dont really know a lot about it. I live in the UK though, I'd love to live in sunny california but sadly not lol

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tuddley3

Posted Fri October 16 2009 14:31 Hide Post
Doh, I'm getting my girls mixed up, it's BlackWidow who is from here.

Ok, I'll stop bugging for today

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Fri October 16 2009 15:05 Hide Post
Oh dont worry about that, if you're bugging me I'll soon tell you lol

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tuddley3

Posted Mon October 19 2009 17:18 Hide Post
Could you please have this thread deleted please, I think it's only fair since I can't have one. Wink2

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/f...1008762/m/1991082716

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 04:46 Hide Post
Thats not in the English forums, we have no management or mod rights in the non English boards.

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 06:03 Hide Post
Ok Lisa, it is owned by the same god damn company is it not ? If they can have a sticky, not just a post, but a sticky about it, tan I should be able to. Don't you think that if it is publicly known there, it should also be publicly known here too. Talk about not fair!!!

Ubisoft is Ubisoft, no matter what language the forum is speaking in.

So do me a favor, don't just sit on your *** and let this situation just blow by like it's completely not going to happen. They must have gotten permission from somebody, otherwise it wouldn't be posted.

So how about this. Either I can put my post back up, "as a sticky", OR, I can just leave Tambor to moderate the forums himself and resign my post.

My request is not unreasonable. I don't see why the German side of the company has higher priority than we do.

Fix this, or I am done.

Thank you,
Todd

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 07:45 Hide Post
Hi Tuddly

I must confess to being more than a little surprised in receiving this PT, only the other day you seemed more than happy with how I was handling things so I’m somewhat confused as to where this has now come from, furthermore the manner in which you’re speaking to me is rather rude and unreasonable and not helpful to either of us.

You are right that Ubisoft is one company; however each country within which we operate has its own laws and guidelines within which we must work. Since you raised the question we have been investigating why the German forum has allowed this information to be stickied within their board. However as I am sure you can appreciate we do have among other things a language barrier to work with, which does create various problems in particular the time it can take to get a clear understanding on matters.

At this time we suspect it’s possibly the laws within Germany that allow promotion of such a no CD crack which is not the case within the US, and as you are aware the English speaking forums cover both the UK and US. However this is at the moment just guess work on our part and we continue to try and find the precise reasoning for the difference in action on no CD cracks between the countries and forums.

I have so far provided you with a method to ‘work around’ the issue so that members can assist each other with the no CD crack information without fear of banning from the boards. If you do not feel you can wait a little longer until we have more precise clarity on the matter I’m afraid there is nothing else I can do.

Lisa

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 08:58 Hide Post
Language barrier can be solve really easy. I have an interpreter in the forum named Celeon999. He lives in Germany. There is always a simple solution if you just look in the right places.

Sorry if I was rude to you, but my level of frustration id through the roof. I know we have a "work around" way of distributing these files, but if I have to do it that way, than I feel they should also. I don't care what their laws are. That's like saying it would be ok if they could post pornographic images on their forum (Anyone from the English can just as easily go over there and view them). Same thing with these files, anyone from my forum, can just go over to their forum and download the files anyways. So common sense says that this is a double standard, by the same company.

It's like having twins sitting in the same room, and the mother comes into the room and gives a cookie to one of the twins, and not the other, just because they are standing on different sides of the room. The one that does not get the cookie, is going to ball his eyes out, and that little boy happens to represent me in this case.

How about giving me the contact info you managers are using, so I can send it to Celeon, and he can be our liason. Sometimes I feel as though I'm not hearing the entire story when it comes to how hard anyone is trying in contacting higher up people. I feel if I had the resources you managers had, I could get more done.

SH3 is an old game, but still has lots of life in it, and with so many new Vista users, they are unable to run Starforce on their OS. I know I have the work around, and I appreciate your understanding in that, but Ubisoft is Ubisoft. I think a little equality would be nice. There are people at Subsim.com that are members of the German forum, and are basically laughing at us, and rubbing it in our face (I have a link to prove this if needed), which is why my patience is really being tested at the moment.

Todd

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:14 Hide Post
Todd you may feel you could do a better job however I can assure you the lack of respect and diplomacy that you’re demonstrating at this particular time would prevent you finding a resolution to anything within any company.

Now if we can perhaps set the personal insults towards me to one side.....

As an example, you may or may not be aware that there is a long standing frustration among German residents that the versions of certain games released within their country are often missing content to that same game released in other regions, so much so they often import the UK versions to get around it. This is due to laws within Germany set in place by their government which people may not like but as a company we have to respect.

By the same token there are laws within all countries we work which we must respect and work with, again we might not always like this, and yes it does often make our jobs more difficult but we have to respect those laws. We cannot simply say ‘I don't care what their laws are’ as you just did.

The situation is what the situation is, we are despite your thoughts to the contrary working hard to try and find some common ground among the forums on this issue, all I have asked is that you allow us the time needed to do this and in the meantime respect the options given to you to bypass the problem.

If you do not feel you can do this please let me know

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:21 Hide Post
http://www.subsim.com/radioroo...1192070&postcount=36

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:24 Hide Post
Does this mean you're not prepared to accept the process we need to go through to resolve this?

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:34 Hide Post
The insults are not directed to you, but to the company and who is helping you fix this problem.

And if I were to be able to handle this myself, I would try a much nicer approach. The reason I am like that at the moment, is because I feel as though this is not being looked into, or at least it feels like it is on the back burner and will be dealt with in a year or two when someone gets around to it.

I'm offering a German translator to assist in the language barrier, and some extra help in contacting someone if you would let me help. I promise to behave, plus I have no choice if I use a translator.

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:37 Hide Post

quote:
Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Does this mean you're not prepared to accept the process we need to go through to resolve this?



This was just to show you what is going on in the rest of the world, and not just the US Ubi. But as far as I can see, the process is not working is it? That's why I am prepared to assist you in any way I can.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 09:42 Hide Post
With respect Tuddly you seem unable to talk to me in a civil manner despite admitting you do not feel I am to blame I’m quite unsure how you can manage it with someone you feel might be, and if you can then perhaps you could show me the same courtesy?

Regarding translation, I would hope you can understand that we cannot invite 3rd party persons to translate private/ confidential communications, it’s simply not an option.

I am addressing this, as are my immediate superiors. We find the situation as frustrating as anyone and it is not in our interest to let it go by not dealt with.

As things stand the situation is that you have permission to ignore members discussing it on the board within reason, as I said before if its flooding the board we’ve a problem but the odd thread is ok. The situation will remain that way until we can find out why the German forums are bypassing the company ruling on no CD crack discussion at which point we can review the entire issue fully informed.

As a mod of the forum you need to respect that process, if you cannot we have a problem.

On a side note regarding the discussion on subsim, please remember this conversation is private. I am happy for you to inform them that you're talking to me/us in an effort to find clarity on the matter but precise details of the conversation should not leave this discussion Thumbs Up

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 10:22 Hide Post
Ok, I'll step aside and let you guys handle this. But if I don't hear anything by the end of the month, I'll assume nothing is being done.

And if it helps, you may tell them how upset the community and myself are of this, and that you are tired of me taking my frustration out on you. Sometimes using common sense is more effective than anything you can learn in 8 years of college. Don't be afraid to talk to them like a human being, instead of a Ubisoft robot (I'm not implying you are a robot)

Ok, I'll shut up now and let you get to work.

Todd

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue October 20 2009 10:25 Hide Post
Tuddly I'm an intelligent 37 year old mother of 2 children (one with disabilities), I would appreciate you not assuming I don’t know how to handle the situation

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tuddley3

Posted Tue October 20 2009 18:38 Hide Post
Here you go, send a link to whoever you are working with on this issue. SH3 already has these files installed on some of newer versions of the game.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1085392/m/7691096797

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Wed October 21 2009 02:51 Hide Post
Tuddly we already know what the issue with the game is, thats not what the problem is here.

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tuddley3

Posted Fri October 30 2009 20:53 Hide Post

quote:
Originally posted by tuddley3:
Ok, I'll step aside and let you guys handle this. But if I don't hear anything by the end of the month, I'll assume nothing is being done.



Remember when I posted this. Time is running out, and I've not heard anything about this. November 1st I am putting my thread back up, with the link to the German site thread/sticky.

So how about this, if nothing has been done by then, we leave mine up until something can be figured out. If not, you can remove mine, and have the NoCD banned from the German site as well.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue November 03 2009 10:13
I was very disappointed to receive the PT you recently sent. Due to working away I was only aware of the message today.

We have previously discussed the matter at great length and you had given you clear advice on how to handle the No CD crack issue. Despite this you chose to go over my head without allowing reasonable time for response and reposted the information which I had previously had to remove from the board.

Sadly this most recent incident has left us with no option but to remove you from the moderator team.

This is with immediate effect.

I must also stress this will now count as an official warning for posting No CD crack links and as such doing so again will without further notice result in a suspension on your account.

I am sad the situation has come to this but you gave us no choice.

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tuddley3

Posted Tue November 03 2009 13:31 Hide Post
But the NoCD is not illegal. All the newer versions sold today have the same files in them. And anybody can go to the German site and download the damn files, and last time I checked, that is a Ubisoft forum. So if it is not available here, then until this matter is resolved, the sticky over at the German site should be deleted as well.

This should have only taken a few days to take care of, and it's been put on the back burner for over a month. I told you, if it hasn't been taken care of in 3 weeks (November 1st), I would assume nothing was being done about this, and I will put it back up. And I asked you to leave the new thread alone, or remove the German one if you remove mine. It only takes common sense to see my view on this subject.

Now Jeff has to moderate the forum by himself, and for the next 2 days, he will not be home. Good job Lisa Clap

You said to me that you have 2 or 3 children, and one being of special needs, so you know that you will be able to handle this. Well I guess being a single parent doesn't qualify you to manage a forum now does it ?

We discussed the fact that I could continue to distribute the files "quietly" (Oops, did you not want kazzoo and Ubi Vigil to hear that), so it's not like all this completely stops the passing out of these files. I really hope you are proud of yourself. If you are an honest enough person, you will continue to get the rights for this approved, and then remove my ban and put me back as moderator with an apology.

I believe I did nothing wrong, because the files are legally being handed out by Ubisoft, just not the English forums. I am actually offended that the .de forums get special treatment, while the rest of the world is left out in the rain. I'm sure if you look deep down inside yourself, you can understand why I am fighting so hard for this fight. I didn't do this for myself, I did it for my community, because they are basically the only friends I have.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Tue November 03 2009 15:02 Hide Post
No CD Cracks are illegal; they are also not permitted for discussion on the English language forums.

I understand the frustration over the issue but the fact is as a moderator you were given clear guidelines on how to handle the matter; this was apparently not clear enough as you went on to post links and sticky threads with no CD links, so on removal of the threads/ links I provided a full explanation of why along with a clear request not to repost it. You went against this request knowing very well the implications of doing so.

Moderators cannot decide the timescale in which they expect a matter to be addressed and when this is not done take matters into their own hands as you did.

Regarding the quiet distribution of files, I discussed the matter at length with both Kazz and Vigil, they are both fully aware of all of my communications with you on the matter including that particular point.

I appreciate your concern for Tambor but you need not worry on that point, we’ve already instructed additional support so he is not alone on the board.

You mention the removal of your ban; to clarify you have not been banned, only removed as moderator. However if you were to continue posting links to the no CD Crack within the board a ban could/would be placed.

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tuddley3

Posted Tue November 03 2009 15:53 Hide Post

quote:
Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
However if you were to continue posting links to the no CD Crack within the board a ban could/would be placed.



The first time I only posted a link to another Ubisoft Silent Hunter forum. Same game, same company. If the files are available to the general public, then why are they being prejudice towards the English speaking forums. It's like saying, if Germany had no law against posting hardcore porn in G-rated forums, then they could distribute XXX videos along side the NoCD files in the German Ubisoft forums.

Then anybody within the English speaking forum can obtain a link to the German forum and download them anyways. What's the purpose of not allowing the posting of such material in the English forums ? If you don't want anyone from the English forum have access to the files, then why allow it to be discussed and distributed in the German forum.

I honestly don't think you've even lifted a finger on this. If you would have given me someone to contact myself, I would have this taken care of already.

Also, if the files are illegal, why are they included on the most recent copies of Silent Hunter III? Those who have purchased the game prior to those modified copies, are basically screwed if they have upgraded to Vista. It's no longer a crack, it should be considered a patch.

I'm going to continue to bug you on this until I get proof that you are handling it. Like share with me the conversations between you and whomever you chat with. Don't give me no c.r.a.p that I am not authorized to see your conversations with the higher-ups, because then I'll just assume you are lying to me and not even attempting to do anything about it.

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ms-kleaneasy

Posted Wed November 04 2009 01:56 Hide Post
Tuddly the files within the game are not illegal, on their own and used as a no CD crack they are.

With regard to my conversations with others, you’re in no position to demand anything.

The situation is being looked into and your handling of it then and now has led us here.

I see no benefit of discussing this matter further so will not be responding to any further replies on your part, you may assume what you like as its clear nothing said will convince you to the contrary.


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[Maverick_U2007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pacific_breeze:
If this conversation continues then it will never end. I'm not on anyone side but I think we should drop the conversation about Tudd here. People, basically us, UBI Managers and Tudd may have different perspectives about the situation. I think by now some individuals (in public) know (roughly) what has happened so let's not putting the heat in this situation.

While most of us want to have Tudd back, I hope we can stay ourselves cool and let the private matter now be discussed between Tudd and the UBI Managers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from this point let's move on shall we .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Guess the answer to that was NO...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Maverick

[WilhelmSchulz.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:

Where you stand is not what the discussion is about, but having chosen to air your laundry in public how you came to no longer be on the moderator team.

I cannot reveal the conversation as it was held in private topic and my doing so would be a clear breach of your privacy, as a manager I cannot do that but I can assure you I have no issue with their contents. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait. If you cant discuss the convertion because it was privite how was it aired in public? Also Tudds was not the one to point out the fact that he was removed from the mod team. It was the other members of the community. Ok mabey tuddly was in the wrong. We can see that now from the PM posts that he posted. But now I belive one of the things that has ****ed off the community as much as Tuddleys sackiing is the fact that all we are getting from the UBI representive is the same old "party line". This and the frequent doubble talk that I have seen in this topic is starting to get verry verry old. The game is over 6 years old(if I am wrong please corect me.) and I belive it is sold on UBI for only $5 USD. And thats not a CD version but a download version. Now this "No CD Crack" is avialble in countless privite fourms all over, and not to metion the German speaking UBI fourms. From my understand the english speaking UBI fourms is the only fourm where such a topic is not only discouraged but ilegeal! And what do we do when we try to get some fareness? More party line. This and the fact that several higly respected mods have "steped down in recent times so close after a "shift in power"(I cant think of a better term) is quite intreuiging, and worrysome.

I belive all you have done by fireing Tuddley is to light the match.

[Pacific_Ace]

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[SeaWolfU-57]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:

Where you stand is not what the discussion is about, but having chosen to air your laundry in public how you came to no longer be on the moderator team.

I cannot reveal the conversation as it was held in private topic and my doing so would be a clear breach of your privacy, as a manager I cannot do that but I can assure you I have no issue with their contents. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait. If you cant discuss the convertion because it was privite how was it aired in public? Also Tudds was not the one to point out the fact that he was removed from the mod team. It was the other members of the community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
how was it aired in public,, Tudds was not the one to point out that he was removed from the mod team.
please read down this thread and there will be the answers....
http://www.subsim.com/radioroo....php?t=157285&page=2 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=157285&page=2)
is there a more public way I ask

[tuddley3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
all we are getting from the UBI representive is the same old "party line". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Please stay on the line, the next available agent will be with you shortly. Please excuse us while we put you on eternal hold"

[Samofrome]

you know tudds
I thought a moderator was to be helpfull?
like you were
I thought mangers could see that you were
I mean, isn't obvioys that you were
For the whole www, for ubi www
why does he devere to be banned from being a mod for doing his job
it is like saying "mr.Howetty(meaning no offenise to anyone) you are fired for being so good at your job."
and that does not make sense to me, whatsoever
he was doing his job, and you fired him for that
well done
don't go into buiness, every good person will be fired.

[Maverick_U2007]

I had made a decision to stay out of this one for a while but Tuddleys post have raised certain questions.

How long does the English/US forums have to wait for an answer to a simple question.

I spent nearly 30 years in the Police and had to deal with the Crown Prosecution Service for the last ten years and let me tell you getting an answer from them was like drawing blood from a stone, BUT I could guarantee that within a few days I would have had an answer to any simple question I posed.

Ubisoft..a multi national organisation that amongst others has forums set up in both Germany and UK/US. Sorry people, but yes we English/Americans are ignorant as far as second languages are concerned but Europe wide the majority of the younger generation...speak English probably as good as I do. I CANNOT believe that this question about the differences bewteen what is right in Germany and what is wrong in the UK/US has not been answered after all this time.

Ubisoft WILL have a legal department and unless they are all dead in there then the question SHOULD have been answered way before now.

I can totally understand TUDDLEY's frustrations over this matter and having read all of the posts to and from Ubisoft and can understand the step that he took.

Ubisoft.....We actually do deserve an answer to this issue and sooner rather than later or it might be the case that the forums become full of talk of NoCD crack just so that people can in fact get an answer.

Only yesterday I realised the full significance of the NOCDCrack..which I use by the way because I have just installed Windows 7 and I need the NoCDcrack to enable my game to run, cos without the NoCDCRack I cannot get my game to play. I was one of the people who have stuck by this game since it's release and you have not released the NOCDCrack files as a patch to enable me, like others who have the NOCDCRack installed as part of their newer DVD.

Petty response in the last paragraph I know but only as petty as the manner in which Ubi has treated TUDDLEY.

Take a long hard look at yourswelves amd accept the blame swallow the bullet and restore some faith to people who you will WANT to but the new SH5 game.

Maverick

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
Wait. If you cant discuss the convertion because it was privite how was it aired in public? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was aired in public on another community forum, the members for which then brought the discussion here.


@ All – contrary to popular belief the German forum is not providing a link to the no CD crack, they provide information on its existence but no link. If you’ve read the PT conversation you will see I had already given permission for that same level of discussion on this board.

There is no party line as it’s been called above but an explanation of the facts as they stand at this time. I appreciate you hold no faith in this matter being addressed further than it has at this point but sadly this isn’t something I can convince you otherwise until it’s been resolved and you receive an update.

In the meantime we’ve said members can offer that assistance to other members without fear of ban and that is just the same as the German forum. In fact the only difference between them and us right now is they have the information permanently stickied.

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
Wait. If you cant discuss the convertion because it was privite how was it aired in public? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was aired in public on another community forum, the members for which then brought the discussion here.


@ All – contrary to popular belief the German forum is not providing a link to the no CD crack, they provide information on its existence but no link. If you’ve read the PT conversation you will see I had already given permission for that same level of discussion on this board.

There is no party line as it’s been called above but an explanation of the facts as they stand at this time. I appreciate you hold no faith in this matter being addressed further than it has at this point but sadly this isn’t something I can convince you otherwise until it’s been resolved and you receive an update.

In the meantime we’ve said members can offer that assistance to other members without fear of ban and that is just the same as the German forum. In fact the only difference between them and us right now is they have the information permanently stickied. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So in effect are you saying that an individual would be able to point to their own file storage site that contained the no cd crack, zipped in a folder with an imaginative title and a helpful message along the lines of "disc problems associated with SH3 can usually be overcome after downloading this helpful file" or something to that effect?

[Baumgartle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Only yesterday I realised the full significance of the NOCDCrack..which I use by the way because I have just installed Windows 7 and I need the NoCDcrack to enable my game to run, cos without the NoCDCRack I cannot get my game to play. I was one of the people who have stuck by this game since it's release and you have not released the NOCDCrack files as a patch to enable me, like others who have the NOCDCRack installed as part of their newer DVD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can not see where the problem is?
Ubisoft is copyright holder of SH3, they have the source code, they have delivered the budget versions of SH3 without StarForce. Why can't Ubisoft do a file comparison between their Starforce- and NonStarforce version of the game and put the affected files (that will be 100% the same as in the illegal NODVD pack http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) into a zip file and offer it as official hotfix download at the Ubisoft support site for customers of previous SF infected versions. The customers who need this fix, have paid for the game already and users with illegal copies don't need this package, they already use the NODVD pack for years. So official offering these fixed files by Ubisoft will not increase use of illegal copies of SH3.

[WernherVonTrapp]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I can totally understand TUDDLEY's frustrations over this matter and having read all of the posts to and from Ubisoft and can understand the step that he took. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I, for one, can appreciate and understand the apparently high degree of frustration that Tuddley was feeling and the issue he was trying to rectify. However, I have some difficulty reconciling his actions after reading all of the threads above.
Yes, he should be commended (highly) for his zeal in getting the matter resolved but, all he accomplished was to get himself removed as a moderator, the possibilty which, if I read the threads correctly, he already knew of and touched upon when alluding to his resignation. Had he followed the guidelines as instructed by ms-kleaneasy, as frustrating as they were, he would've been in a better position to serve this forum by remaining as a moderator.
Despite this and, as futile as it may be, I beseech the powers that be (hello ms-kleaneasy), to perhaps someway, somehow, find a way to reinstate Tuddley as a moderator and still save/maintain face. Remember, we are all human and, as such, by that very nature, flawed. Tuddley was trying to act on behalf of the community he served and truly believed he was acting in it's best interest.
To err is human, to forgive is divine. BTW, I have two daughters and, both of them have a neurological disability, ms-kleaneasy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[SeaWolfU-57]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baumgartle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Only yesterday I realised the full significance of the NOCDCrack..which I use by the way because I have just installed Windows 7 and I need the NoCDcrack to enable my game to run, cos without the NoCDCRack I cannot get my game to play. I was one of the people who have stuck by this game since it's release and you have not released the NOCDCrack files as a patch to enable me, like others who have the NOCDCRack installed as part of their newer DVD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can not see where the problem is?
Ubisoft is copyright holder of SH3, they have the source code, they have delivered the budget versions of SH3 without StarForce. Why can't Ubisoft do a file comparison between their Starforce- and NonStarforce version of the game and put the affected files (that will be 100% the same as in the illegal NODVD pack http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) into a zip file and offer it as official hotfix download at the Ubisoft support site for customers of previous SF infected versions. The customers who need this fix, have paid for the game already and users with illegal copies don't need this package, they already use the NODVD pack for years. So official offering these fixed files by Ubisoft will not increase use of illegal copies of SH3. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

At last some common sense is spoken and in the proper manner well done.

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
So in effect are you saying that an individual would be able to point to their own file storage site that contained the no cd crack, zipped in a folder with an imaginative title and a helpful message along the lines of "disc problems associated with SH3 can usually be overcome after downloading this helpful file" or something to that effect? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am saying if someone were to do this they would not find themselves in trouble on this forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

To ensure no confusion I should add this is for SH3, if this same action were taken on a 'new' title the matter would be viewed quite differently for obvious reasons so if anyone is ever in doubt contact myself or one of the mod team http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
So in effect are you saying that an individual would be able to point to their own file storage site that contained the no cd crack, zipped in a folder with an imaginative title and a helpful message along the lines of "disc problems associated with SH3 can usually be overcome after downloading this helpful file" or something to that effect? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am saying if someone were to do this they would not find themselves in trouble on this forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

To ensure no confusion I should add this is for SH3, if this same action were taken on a 'new' title the matter would be viewed quite differently for obvious reasons so if anyone is ever in doubt contact myself or one of the mod team http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for the clear respones.

Would this be acceptable?

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?oybxmzyojwd

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
Thank you for the clear respones.

Would this be acceptable?

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?oybxmzyojwd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That looks fine to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Maverick_U2007]

We're nearly there????

Maverick

[jimbuna]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
Thank you for the clear respones.

Would this be acceptable?

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?oybxmzyojwd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That looks fine to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much appreciated http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[WilhelmSchulz.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
It was aired in public on another community forum, the members for which then brought the discussion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hold on. Ive read the SS thread and that dose not seem like airing of laundry. That only happned only after it was found out that Tuddly was sacked and this whole mess happned. What Tuddly did when he posted the PMs is certently consired "airing the laundry" but from what Ive seen on UBI is a simple updade of information. Nothing was said which led to a belife that there was a real problem or even that Tuddly was "complaining". Just a simple update on a suituition which he said he would bring up to UBI. Which is another thing that UBI lacks to give us on anything. SS gets almost all the info on upcomming versions of SH before we here at UBI do. Why is that? I mean the company owns the bloody fourms but they can tell us how the progress of the game is comeing?

[WEBSTER63]

ok after reading all this for the first time today i'll add my 2 cents on this whole "duscussion" issue and mod firing.

reading the entire conversation between ms-kleaneasy and tuddley3 i can see there was a good relationship between them right up until the point where tuddley3 "lost it" and his frustration level allowed him to use less then respectfull tone with ms-kleaneasy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Posted Tue October 20 2009 06:03 Hide Post
Ok Lisa, it is owned by the same god damn company is it not ? ....

So do me a favor, don't just sit on your *** and let this situation just blow by like it's completely not going to happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ms-kleaneasy's attitude about it from that point on was more interested in discussing her feelings of being dissrespected rather then a resolution to the "game" issue.

it looks like this is what further flamed tuddley3's frustration level and sent him on a path of confrontation when i think he saw ms-kleaneasy as no longer being helpfull anymore in his efforts to bring something helpfull to the forums here.

my overall take was that ms-kleaneasy was being overly strict in using the rules to get even with tuddley3 for disrespecting her.

there was no need to be so heavy handed in giving him the axe and there was no comparison to crime = punishment when taking such drastic action as being "fairly" applied.

when taking disaplinary actions a persons intentions must also be considered as a mitigating factor and he was obviously trying to work within the system here.

that said tuddley3 did go overboard and chose to push it so hard against someone who obviously didnt want to hear it anymore.

as a modderator tuddley3 has dealt with difficult people often and in this case i dont think ms-kleaneasy was being overly difficult but maybe just less concerned about it so its sad that his emotions got the better of him because he cares so much.

IMHO a moment of letting things get to him shouldnt take away his modderators job and he should be allowed back.

the punishment does NOT fit the crime in this case and it is pure overkill as far as i am concerned.

if tuddley3 had kept his cool im sure he may have seen its better (well at least more productive) to just skirt the rules as jimbuna has done and work within the system rather than try to "force" change.

equally, if ms-kleaneasy was willing to "let go" of his dissrespect, i have no doubt she would have been able to guide him into a workable solution.

i have to say i think both sides share some blame in this thing getting so out of hand.

[SeaWolfU-57]

What It is amazing how some of the readers of this argument can only see one side
please re-read it and look at it from the point of view that you work for a company and make a decision about the direction the company should take.
you are then advised by your Superior/Boss that it is not in the best interests of the company to enter in to this direction at this time although at a later point it maybe addressed. but for now your work will be removed and please do not continue with this direction at this time.
your reply to you Superior/Boss is ok I will give you 3 weeks to make it company policy and allow this or I will go ahead and do it myself. and then go ahead and do it. what do you think would happen.

Some members want this file openly available. has not Ms Kleaneasy already given you a work around on this matter which was ignored until Jimbuna picked it up.
and it seems the group of people who are doing all the demanding here already have the file.
after all as it has been pointed out the later release/version of Silent Hunter 3 has no need for this file and is openly available even in my local supermarket at a very low price.
And how anyone can conceder that posting a private message between a forum manager and a moderator in a thread as being acceptable is beyond understanding.

And as for this person being re-instated as a moderator after his total disrespect not only for his immediate Superior but also for the policies of the company. well I suppose stranger things have happened. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

[jimbuna]

I sincerely hope that anyone that cares to look at the exchanges between ms-kleaneasy and myself:

jimbuna
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> So in effect are you saying that an individual would be able to point to their own file storage site that contained the no cd crack, zipped in a folder with an imaginative title and a helpful message along the lines of "disc problems associated with SH3 can usually be overcome after downloading this helpful file" or something to that effect? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ms-kleaneasy
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I am saying if someone were to do this they would not find themselves in trouble on this forum

To ensure no confusion I should add this is for SH3, if this same action were taken on a 'new' title the matter would be viewed quite differently for obvious reasons so if anyone is ever in doubt contact myself or one of the mod team </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jimbuna
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Thank you for the clear respones.

Would this be acceptable?

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?oybxmzyojwd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ms-kleaneasy
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> That looks fine to me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jimbuna
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Much appreciated </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can now agree that the issue of the 'help' file has been concluded.

Furthermore I hope we can all agree to move on now.

Respctfully
jimbuna

[ms-kleaneasy]

WEBSTER63 while I understand the point of view you're coming from with your post there is a point some (yourself included) seem unclear on.

As Jimbuna and others have since noted I had already given a 'resolution' to the game issue before the matter escalated to where you see it now.

Any concern raised by me within the discussion about attitude was with full knowledge that I had already guided through a workable solution as you put it.

That said I would agree with jimbunas post...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbuna:
Furthermore I hope we can all agree to move on now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There reaches a point when all everyone is doing is repeating what’s already been said many times. While I'm happy to discuss concerns members may have about this or any other issue there does come a point when restating the same comments again and again on the forum benefits no one.

[socko2009]

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[socko2009]

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[WEBSTER63]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaWolfU-57:
What It is amazing how some of the readers of this argument can only see one side

And how anyone can conceder that posting a private message between a forum manager and a moderator in a thread as being acceptable is beyond understanding.

And as for this person being re-instated as a moderator after his total disrespect not only for his immediate Superior but also for the policies of the company. well I suppose stranger things have happened. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i felt i WAS bringing an objective view of the situation from the point of view of someone outside of all this without any axe to grind and hoped it would show both sides of the situation.

i dont think anyone can feel he was justified in any way for being disrespectfull and a clear violation like posting a private message.

i only attempted to show there are always two sides to every story.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
WEBSTER63 while I understand the point of view you're coming from with your post there is a point some (yourself included) seem unclear on.

As Jimbuna and others have since noted I had already given a 'resolution' to the game issue before the matter escalated to where you see it now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well then im at a loss to understand why he felt the need to go that far.

i still dont feel he should have been booted for what he originally did because i thought it only warranted a temp suspension or something along those lines.

the second and third offenses, being dissrespectfull without cause and posting of PT messages do rise to that level so maybe i am just confused on the exact offense where he was fired over. was he not already fired at the point he posted those messages?

anyway as has been said already its over now and its time to move on.

[tambor198]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
As Jimbuna and others have since noted I had already given a 'resolution' to the game issue before the matter escalated to where you see it now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WEBSTER63

anyway as has been said already its over now and its time to move on.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree wholeheartedly with above sentiments. Therefore, I see no practical reason why this thread should remain open. As of now, this thread is locked.

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WEBSTER63:
i still dont feel he should have been booted for what he originally did because i thought it only warranted a temp suspension or something along those lines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If a moderator performs an act that warrants suspension (no matter how temporary) they can't remain as a moderator

EDIT - Apologies Tambor I posted as you were posting and closing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif