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vega13

05-08-2006, 01:37 PM

Lol I just saw the topic that "youradisorder" made about iryxian and that wasn't me. Cough ninjashocker cough http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif . I don't need to make multiple accounts to spam on the forums! That's low, psh.

I know this topic is spam so I'll talk about splinter cell. I'm starting to hate my love for splinter cell.

vega13

05-08-2006, 01:37 PM

S.a.S-YoshI

05-08-2006, 01:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vega13:
Lol I just saw the topic that "youradisorder" made about iryxian and that wasn't me. Cough ninjashocker cough http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif . I don't need to make multiple accounts to spam on the forums! That's low, psh.

I know this topic is spam so I'll talk about splinter cell. I'm starting to hate my love for splinter cell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Spartan_M.A.D.

05-08-2006, 01:39 PM

Hey Vega, I installed CT, get on xfire

vega13

05-08-2006, 01:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spartan_M.A.D.:
Hey Vega, I installed CT, get on xfire </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey I would but I got whooped so badly today in about 5 different games that I was about to explode. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

oh and thanks softies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Eclyps3

05-08-2006, 01:49 PM

Hm... talk about having a game. I've spent 5 days climbing a mountain and already suck at Versus. Wanna play? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

vega13

05-08-2006, 01:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eclyps3:
Hm... talk about having a game. I've spent 5 days climbing a mountain and already suck at Versus. Wanna play? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DUDE YEAH ! WE CAN LIKE TALK ABOUT GIRLS AND LIKE OWN SOME NEWBS AND ANNOY EVERYONE AND SPAM! YOU WANNA?>! YOURE TALKING TO ME RIGHT? AW SWEET CANT WAIT.

Brutusn

05-08-2006, 02:21 PM

Eclyps3

05-08-2006, 03:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brutusn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eclyps3:
Hm... talk about having a game. I've spent 5 days climbing a mountain and already suck at Versus. Wanna play? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No wai u are playing hard jump 5 :S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LoL. I don't know if the joke was intended in the way I got it, but at least I laughed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MR.Mic

05-08-2006, 04:41 PM

I've just spent 5 days masturbating, and I suck at walking.

Raz0rx_

05-08-2006, 04:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MR.Mic:
I've just spent 5 days masturbating, and I suck at walking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahahahahahahahahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Spartan_M.A.D.

05-08-2006, 04:58 PM

psyichic

05-08-2006, 05:11 PM

I just finished my APs and SATs! HAHAHA! (Yea some people here might be not all that enthusiastic but Im happy!)

Spartan_M.A.D.

05-08-2006, 05:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by psyichic:
I just finished my APs and SATs! HAHAHA! (Yea some people here might be not all that enthusiastic but Im happy!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Took my AP World History a week ago. Taking my SATs in June. Next year I get a bunch more AP classes.

ninjashocker

05-08-2006, 05:31 PM

Sorry Vega. I found out later it was actually DeadlyOps.

And GO PSYICHIC! How do you think you did?

m4_007

05-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Me thinks the whole "Grading" thing is just bull****. You should only have to pass or fail. There's also a bunch of bull**** courses you will never need in your whole life, depending on what you are gonna do. Why not spending time studying what's really needed ?

I don't know if it's like that at your place, but here in Quebec, Education sucks. If only the world was different... Where someone who wants to be something, studies that something instead of passing time on history. Sure, It's important to know your country, but why making an exam about it ? If you fail you fail, what's the point ?

Only my two cents.. Oh, I'm sure we can keep this thread civilized can we ? If it stays flame less and constructive, nobody's gonna have any problem with it. Post ahead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Spartan_M.A.D.

05-08-2006, 06:38 PM

Oh I agree w/ M4. I'm looking to be a doctor. My two worst grades are History and Spanish. Because those are two bull**** classes that were forced on me. I have no clue how well I did on the World History AP exam, and frankly, I really dont care. I'm giving the SATs much more time and effort then WH. Such a pointless class.

Iryxian2

05-08-2006, 07:37 PM

ninjashocker

05-08-2006, 07:49 PM

While I agree with you on some points, m4 + Persian, allow me to play devil's advocate.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You should only have to pass or fail </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As much as we all hate it, college spots are limited, and therefore competitive. If everyone judged on a pass/fail scale, there would be no way to rank among all of the members of the majority who "pass." Granted, you can fall back on SAT scores or other standardized tests, but these are often a poor indictor of aptitude, especially for intelligent people who don't test well. 4 years of high-school education condensed on a transcript is a much more detailed story of an indivuduals degree of academic success. Then take it to the next step. People in college are competing for graduate school. Then people in graduate school are competing for jobs. Furthermore, Pass/Fail promotes mediocrity. My dad's medical school used the P/F system. The slogan among the students was "P = MD" or Pass = Medical Doctor." Consequently, the majority of the students didn't work to their fullest potential, and therefore were not as suited to the world of medicine. The type of person who would agree with "P = MD" is probably the same doc committing malpractice and elevating medical insurance for the rest of us.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There's also a bunch of bull**** courses you will never need in your whole life, depending on what you are gonna do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If I want to go into mathematics, certainly I shouldn't learn the ABC's should I? On a highschool level (the only level I can really talk about) you have to admit that everything we learn is the bare-bones basics of every field. While I agree that taking pre-Calculus next year won't help me in my future career (I'm not a math person), I would rather have some math in my schedule than none. Why? (1) Colleges want to see you performing to your fullest, and (2) Pre-Calc is but a first step on a huge spectrum of mathematical levels. Should I find something I have interset in later, why should I deny myself the essential building blocks to that interest? Learning things you don't want to learn keeps you well-rounded and excersizes parts of your brain you would otherwise feel uncomfortable using. It's like, why eat spinnach if it is undisputably the worst-tasting thing ever? Focusing only on what you find important is narrowing and unhealthy.

That raises the significant question of whether or not we truely know what we want to the fullest extent. I raise that as a rhetorical question on a purely philisophical level. Of course you are inclined to say "Of course we know what we want!" But think about it for a minute. I digress.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If only the world was different... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

Also remember that education doesn't exist solely as a means to obtain a career. Just because you want to be a doctor doesn't negate the importance of history, for example.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My two worst grades are History and Spanish. Because those are two bull**** classes that were forced on me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
By the way Spartan/Persian: My dad is a doctor, and he uses Spanish all the time to converse with patients who can't speak english well. So even if you consider school a means to obtain a career in medicine, don't dismiss any subjects because, in the end, you don't really know what you will and will not use. Would you seriously cut History, Spanish, English, and Math and fill your schedule entirely with Biology and Chemistry? In fact, screw that! Let's just send everyone who thinks they want to be a doctor straight to med school! Ask yourself, why don't we do that?* That's the ONLY place where you will learn the skills you need to become a certified physician. By your logic, all of your elementary, secondary, and high school education is a thorough waste of your time. Do you really know what you want? Just be careful what you wish for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

*Well rounded secondary + high school education, allow students to develop their interests, give students the tools they need to succeed not only in their potential field, but in life, etc etc. College students can switch their major. What does this tell us?

Now that that's over, I really hate school too. The competition is what really screws the experience. Sometimes I'd wish teachers would say "Alright, you all get an A. Now can we PLEASE learn something?"

HeyBlinkin.

05-08-2006, 08:12 PM

Just a random point I want to make about learning. "English Class Kills Books" is my little theory. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to enjoy some book if you're probably going to be tested on it or forced to write an essay. It's a pity that some very famous books are the subject of such evil, especially since this gives students a general idea that books suck (because of work followed by it and what not). Luckily for me, I'm half-way through a 1500 page book that my mom picked out for me, one I can enjoy without nitpicking all the facts presented as if I'm preparing to write some analytical BS.

The book is "The Count of Monte Cristo." I haven't seen the movie but my mom says the book is WAY BETTER (Just in case people have seen the movie and disliked it).

FlamingGimp

05-08-2006, 09:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ninjashocker:
Also remember that education doesn't exist solely as a means to obtain a career. Just because you want to be a doctor doesn't negate the importance of history, for example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's exactly the outlook that I have problems with. What is and isn't important is a personal decision. What about those that flunked/dropped out and became famous, is history still important for them? The argument of 'it allows people to decide on a career', while valid for some is pointless for those that have their mind made up.
This education system is to aggravating for me to even make a point out of this...

ninjashocker

05-09-2006, 05:54 PM

@HeyBlinkin: I agree. I'm the kind of person that likes to enjoy the books, and find the majority of literature analysis overanalysis. It also depends on your teacher though. It's either enlightening to some hidden message or a royal waste of life. Luck of the draw.

@Gimp: I think you're right in a sense. Priority is a personal decision and it's not my place to tell people what should be important to them. About the flunked famous people, you are using fame as a universal measure of success, a standard that varies from person to person. Although I agree with the jist of your point. And for those that have their mind "made up" I again ask if people truely know what they want in life, having not yet experienced it.

I'm just playing devils advocate for the sake of discussion. I'm POd @ the education system too, believe me.

FlamingGimp

05-09-2006, 06:18 PM

My point is not to bypass all other subjects not pertaining to your field of interest, but that I don't feel it's necessary to make so many of them mandatory. I would willingly take most math and English courses, but it's the 'have to' that I hate.

And about not having experienced what you believe you're interested in, it's often the case in education that a person does not have the opportunity to experience what they're interested in. So give me a choice, let me focus on what I want.

Spartan_M.A.D.

05-09-2006, 06:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HeyBlinkin.:

The book is "The Count of Monte Cristo." I haven't seen the movie but my mom says the book is WAY BETTER (Just in case people have seen the movie and disliked it). </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That is an incredible book. I loved it. I had to read the abridged version and it actually was for school, but that didn't impact my enjoyment of it, mainly because I loved the book so much the work was easy. When I'm forced to analyze a book a really don't want to read (A Tale of Two Cities), I have problems. Monte Cristo was a fantastic book though.

vega13

05-09-2006, 07:01 PM

Are any of you guys WoT fans?

Chimera87

05-10-2006, 12:33 AM

I knew 150% sure I'd never ever go study something with languages or history or geography. Still I had to take those stupid subjects and pass them with a miserable 60%.

Not to forget that in 6 years of college I haven't learned a damn thing about history or geography, nor speak a word french.

Splinterex

05-10-2006, 04:47 AM

Hey psyichic, I scored 5% on that nerd test. It said I was cool, but hey I knew that already http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Chimera87

05-10-2006, 05:22 AM

74% on Nerd Test, 30% on Stupid Test http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, 52% of age group in Geek Test.

Ow yesh I know, I own.

MR.Mic

05-10-2006, 05:46 AM

87% on nerd test

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HeyBlinkin.:
Just a random point I want to make about learning. "English Class Kills Books" is my little theory. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to enjoy some book if you're probably going to be tested on it or forced to write an essay. It's a pity that some very famous books are the subject of such evil, especially since this gives students a general idea that books suck (because of work followed by it and what not). Luckily for me, I'm half-way through a 1500 page book that my mom picked out for me, one I can enjoy without nitpicking all the facts presented as if I'm preparing to write some analytical BS.

The book is "The Count of Monte Cristo." I haven't seen the movie but my mom says the book is WAY BETTER (Just in case people have seen the movie and disliked it). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I had a similar deal with a few books, which are pretty good, until you have to analyze them.

"The Great Gatsby" and "Of Mice and Men" are great classics that were ruined by english classes.

vega13

05-10-2006, 06:49 AM

I loved "Of Mice and Men" and enjoyed "The Great Gatsby" as well. My english class didn't really overkill either of those books but I can see it happening. I enjoyed the movies too.

Where is the nerd test you guys are talking about?

ninjashocker

05-10-2006, 06:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are any of you guys WoT fans? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wheel of Time?

My English teacher this year was very good, so Gatsby wasn't ruined. In fact, it was enlightening to some subtleties I otherwise would not have been aware of.

Click psyichic's sig for the nerd test. I should take it too.

vega13

05-10-2006, 08:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ninjashocker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are any of you guys WoT fans? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wheel of Time?

My English teacher this year was very good, so Gatsby wasn't ruined. In fact, it was enlightening to some subtleties I otherwise would not have been aware of.

Click psyichic's sig for the nerd test. I should take it too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, Wheel of Time series.

Ah hah, psychics sig would be a good place to look.

Spekkio9

05-10-2006, 09:45 PM

Ok, the attitude a lot of people in here have towards education is what I say daily in my SAT prep classes. Allow me to answer a few common questions that high school students lack the foresight to see (that doesn't mean I'm saying your dumb or anything, it's just that you live in the now. I used to have the same attitude):

Why do we have grades? Because, as someone already pointed out, you need to be evaluated on the work that you do. Throughout your entire life, even when you enter the workforce, you are going to be evaluated by your bosses. Don't like it? Open a business yourself. Opening a practice as a physician counts as opening a business, just so we get that clear. However, even then you're still being evaluated by your potential customers (assuming you are living in a predominately capitalist society, such as the USA). Your evaluation "grades" will show in the amount of profit you make.

A pass-fail system mostly contributes to laziness, unless the bar for "pass" is set rather high. For example, when my father was in the academy for his job, the "deadly physical force" training was pass fail. Wanna know what the cutoff was? 100%. Anything less, and you fail. The graduate school my mother teaches psych at runs on a pass/fail system. A "pass" though is an 85% or better. This is in contrast to most US high schools which set the pass/fail mark somewhere around 60-65%.

Judging by the fact M4 is complaining about grades, I doubt he would be able to meet such a high pass requirement if it were implemented. I'm not saying that to insult M4, just noting that sually people who get good grades don't really complain about the fact that they get them. Furthermore, since high school is publicly funded, I don't think it would be fair to hold everyone to an 85% standard, because some people just aren't capable of that. Thus, we have the grading system, which accounts for the disparity in people's mental capabilities.

I'm smart, really, I'm just not a good test taker. Why does the SAT/test grades count so much? Just like you are always being evaluated on your work, you are always going to be tested on what you know. How else are people going to know if you understand the material if they don't test you? This is especially a poor excuse for people trying to enter a professional school, ie law or medicine, because you are going to be up to your ears in tests, tests, and more tests.

Someone mentioned that the SAT doesn't necessarily corrolate to a good aptitude. Well, that's true that there are exceptions to the rule, but the SAT has a pretty strong correlation to performance in college. I will concede that the strongest prediction of grades in college is grades in high school. This is a fact proven by research. If the SAT really was such a poor indicator of college performance, it wouldn't be used anymore. There is a question of the validity of the SAT; that is, does it represent and test the culmination of knowledge a student gains from attending high school? I would contend both yes and no, simply because it tests 3 things: reading, writing, and math, while most students also take history, science, foreign language, etc. That is why most good to high-level colleges require 3 SAT-II subject tests to prove your competence in the extra subject areas.

Furthermore, when people say "test" they are probably thinking of a multiple-choice exam such as the SAT. First of all, those are the easy tests, because they rely on your ability to recognize information, not recall it from memory. I can tell you from experience that all my upper level biology classes in college had essay-only tests, so you had to actually know the material. Keep that in mind, because I'll be using it in another point later on. Secondly, standardized tests like the SAT, MCAT, etc are geared to not test like a multiple-choice exam, even though they are one. They have professionals design answer choices so that even though you have a choice of only 5 answers, they are purposely set so that you must fully know and understand the material to score high.

There are only a very select few professions one can enter where he or she will not be required to take any sort of test to evaluate their competence. Maybe I should've told my TKD instructor the day I tested for black-belt that I'm a poor test taker. I would've gotten kicked in the throat for that. Stop using this bs excuse as a cop-out, and work on how you can improve.

Why do I have to take [insert subject] As someone already pointed out, high school is meant to give you a well-rounded, basic education to use as a stepping stone for later in life. Being able to understand algebra, to write a coherent sentence, to know things about the physical world around you, are all important for either higher education or the workforce.

But what about history? Knowing that is pointless if I'm not going to be a history teacher! You are fortunate enough to live in a democratic society. How are you going to understand recent world events when you don't understand what led up to them? You need to have this understanding to actually make an intelligent vote either for a representative or on a specific issue. I know you've turned on Leno and seen him "Jay Walking." Do you know why all those people are ignorant about the world around them? They all thought history wasn't important. What's scary is they're also voting for who's in charge. I think our forefathers were onto something by requiring voters back in the day to be land-ownders, which indirectly meant they were well-educated.

But I already know I'm going to be [insert profession]. Why do I need [insert subject]? There are two parts to this complaint:

Firstly, you as a 14-18 year old high school student really have no clue what career you wish to pursue. You may think you do, but you really don't. Even if you do have an aspiration, you really have no idea that you may suck completely at it, or you may start doing it and find it completely and utterly boring. I'm not trying to discourage you all from pursuing what you may want, just trying to temper you all a little with reality. Since your mind can change at any moment, you need to obtain a well-rounded education.

Secondly, even if you are one of the rare people who discover what they want to do at 11 years old, actually stick with it, and are happy with your choice, you will be surprised at how many different subjects you must use in said profession. Someone lamented about History and Spanish for being a doctor, so I'll use that as my example. Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but you need both. Here's why:

As a doctor, you are going to have to understand political issues more than ever. Every election will have some bozo touting what he wants to do with the "healthcare industry." Almost always it's going to f*** it up worse than it is already. History not only gives you the backbone of events leading up to today, it teaches you how to look at such events with a critical eye. Unfortunately, people usually don't truly see the value in history until they're older and have forgotten everything they know from high school. Your ability to sniff out the bs will directly affect your career and what policies are implemented, or rather imposed upon you.

As for spanish, unless you live on a farm (which you won't, because it's not profitable to practice medicine in rural areas), you are going to have hispanic patients. If current demographic trends continue, hispanics will be the #1 minority in America by the time you graduate medical school. If a hispanic comes in who has an emergency problem, don't you think it would be helpful to be able to ask him what's wrong?

I will actually go on to contend that American foreign language programs in high school completely and utterly suck. You come out of taking 3 years of a language not even being able to understand one complete sentence spoken by a native speaker. I would actually like to see them become more effective. How? I have no idea, that's what they pay people big bucks to figure out.

Thirdly, as I mentioned before I had essay tests in my upper-level biology classes. This is counter-intuitive; one would think that biology majors take nothing but multiple choice tests. You may be surprised to find out which subjects you'll be utilizing in your profession. Had I blown off english in high school, I would've had a much harder time getting A's once I got past general biology.

I hate that I'm forced to take ... [insert subject] You are forced to take such subjects because most high school students wouldn't if they had the choice. They simply lack the maturity and foresight to understand the importance of school. Education is a priviledge, not a right, and somehow that got lost over the ages. You are lucky, that's right lucky, to receive an education. You are lucky to be able to learn to read and write. The value of receiving an education is to make you more educated. That seems like a dumb statement, but it's not. An educated person is more likely to think critically about things, from analyst reports at his job to world affairs. An educated person is more able to communicate his ideas clearly, both verbally and in writing, and I know you've all heard the expression "it's not what you say, it's how you say it." Don't think writing is important in the medical profession? I can tell you from my time volunteering in the ER that the doctors spend 65% of their time writing reports and 35% of their time seeing patients.

So and so is rich and famous, and they didn't graduate high school! First of all, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that succeeded in becoming rich and famous in the past 20 years without a high school education. Secondly, even if there are such people, they are the rare exception and not the norm. Thirdly, such people usually discover and develop a special talent at an early age. Such a talent is a very rare gift, so there's a 99.9% chance you're going to have to do things the conventional way: go to school and get good grades. Forthly, I still think it would be beneficial to them to use their fame and fortune to better themselves by getting an education.

It may seem "stupid" that you have to take certain subjects in high school, or that you have to take certain standardized tests, but it's not stupid at all. There are very good reasons for all of it. What I'm actually disheartened to see is that all the new federal "standardized testing" requirements focus mainly on reading and math, and largely discount history and science. This is counter-productive, because as I've just argued, children need a well-rounded education.

Chimera87

05-11-2006, 02:29 AM

I fully agree with Spekkio here.

Thought like he said, the educational system must change. Now I don't know how it's in other countries off course, but here I still can't understand a word french, nor speak it. This after 5.5 years of french class.

Most subjects seem utterly boring and blabla, they still have a meaning.

HeyBlinkin.

05-11-2006, 03:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spekkio9:
I will actually go on to contend that American foreign language programs in high school completely and utterly suck. You come out of taking 3 years of a language not even being able to understand one complete sentence spoken by a native speaker. I would actually like to see them become more effective. How? I have no idea, that's what they pay people big bucks to figure out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

QFE

goodkebab_00

05-11-2006, 04:51 AM

I am coming from a different perspective then most of you. That of a high school diploma, an Art degree in college, and being 31 years on this planet.

Basically after college, forget everything you know because the purpose of college is to get you started in a career. Being well rounded is inconsiquential at this stage because you are now on the track of specialization in your focus. Within a few years your going to forget 90% of the information that you no longer use.

Also, students just landing their first job really know next to nothing. They have the foundations...but not much more then that. Knowledge is NOT applied knowledge. The real learning happens on the job.

To have a developed character and a well rounded personality will not happen in college no matter how many beer bongs u have or how many classes you ace. These things you develop only after you leave everything you know behind...and open yourself to the unknown.

-admittedly I chose a career as an artist when I was 16 and focuse all of my education around that...dropping unecessary academics in favor of art classes.
- the standards I have to meet (analagous to an exam) are comparable to being in the top 10% of the nation.

-lastly, there is no excuse to not get a high quality education. Probably the most useful thing you will learn is a good work ethic and develop high standards for yourself.