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dgrayson
11-17-2007, 01:22 PM
I just read the latest news on the add-on and I cannot contain myself. I was initially just going to reply to one of the threads on the subject but this is so important that it really needs a thread of it's own.

This is fantastic news. With all these new capabilities we can change the outcome of World War II. I can't wait. I am overwhelmed with excitement over the possibilities. Stop for a moment and consider what we can do with this add-on once we start MODing it.

First we use our U-boats to destroy the bulk of the American Navy. This will cause the United States to remove all their forces from Europe. Without the U.S., Britain folds like a lawn chair and Germany can use the forces released from the Western front to crush the Russians at the Polish border. The war in the West then continues on and there is no German collapse in May 1945.

Now comes the really cool part. Since Germany is still a combatant in August 1945, you use 200 or so of your Walther turbine powered type XVIII U-boats to land four SS Panzer divisions on Tinian. They crush the US forces on the island and steal the A-bomb. Are you with me so far?

You then call in the Tirpitz and make a mad dash to Los Angeles where you rendezvous with a Japanese Sen Toku. The kamikazi pilot on the Sen Toku delivers the bomb and the war now extends to 1975. It's absolutely mind boggling. Now that is a true dynamic campaign. That is what I was looking for in a realistic WWII Pacific subsim. You finally came through for me.

Thank you so much UBI for allowing me to save whatever the add-on will cost. I will definitely put the money to good use. Excuse me now while I see a doctor about removing my tongue from my cheek as it seems to be stuck there now.

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dgrayson
11-17-2007, 01:22 PM
I just read the latest news on the add-on and I cannot contain myself. I was initially just going to reply to one of the threads on the subject but this is so important that it really needs a thread of it's own.

This is fantastic news. With all these new capabilities we can change the outcome of World War II. I can't wait. I am overwhelmed with excitement over the possibilities. Stop for a moment and consider what we can do with this add-on once we start MODing it.

First we use our U-boats to destroy the bulk of the American Navy. This will cause the United States to remove all their forces from Europe. Without the U.S., Britain folds like a lawn chair and Germany can use the forces released from the Western front to crush the Russians at the Polish border. The war in the West then continues on and there is no German collapse in May 1945.

Now comes the really cool part. Since Germany is still a combatant in August 1945, you use 200 or so of your Walther turbine powered type XVIII U-boats to land four SS Panzer divisions on Tinian. They crush the US forces on the island and steal the A-bomb. Are you with me so far?

You then call in the Tirpitz and make a mad dash to Los Angeles where you rendezvous with a Japanese Sen Toku. The kamikazi pilot on the Sen Toku delivers the bomb and the war now extends to 1975. It's absolutely mind boggling. Now that is a true dynamic campaign. That is what I was looking for in a realistic WWII Pacific subsim. You finally came through for me.

Thank you so much UBI for allowing me to save whatever the add-on will cost. I will definitely put the money to good use. Excuse me now while I see a doctor about removing my tongue from my cheek as it seems to be stuck there now.

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krazyfrenchman
11-17-2007, 01:28 PM
WOWOWOW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif , I think you either:

Read my post in the other thread HERE (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/2171061906).
or
Read my mind 1000km away... Are you psychic?
Nice coincidence!!

dgrayson
11-17-2007, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by krazyfrenchman:
WOWOWOW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif , I think you either:

Read my post in the other thread HERE (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/2171061906).
or
Read my mind 1000km away... Are you psychic?
Nice coincidence!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't read your thread and neither of my two balls are crystal. It may be just a case of "Great minds think alike"

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krazyfrenchman
11-17-2007, 01:45 PM
At least, if we're not great, we're definitely not stupid or ignorant...

klcarroll
11-17-2007, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">didn't read your thread and neither of my two balls are crystal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crystal balls can be useful; .....but you have to be really careful how you store them!!!
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klcarroll

snavesuk
11-17-2007, 02:49 PM
So the Germans fight an extended war on two fronts - and win?

I think you may have failed to learn the lessons of Barbarossa... The Nazis lost the war in 1941. Doenitz knew that, Raeder knew that, most of the Army Generals knew that.

And Yamamoto knew what the repercussions would be for Japan attacking America. And unlike Nazi Germany they did have the industrial might to fight on several different fronts at the same time, until the even larger industrial might of the USA dwarfed their feeble efforts to replace losses and simply out-built the enemies into submission - on every front!

So all that you do by attacking Americans with U-boats is p%ss them off - and they drop an Atomic weapon on Berlin, followed by Hamburg, followed by Friedrichsaven. Saves the Russians having to cross the border, and all they have to do is build a very long wall to keep the now-glowing Germans out and not drink the water. When it glows in the dark nobody wants Germany, not even the Germans, and the 200 submarines still never get built. Not because the yards are destroyed, but because the people to build them really don't care anymore as they watch the faces of their families peel off and can't get to work in the morning because the fallout covers the road like snow.

A simplistic view of history is all very well, but 200 subs wouldn't make one bit of difference, once America formally entered the war. Doenitz knew that, too.

klcarroll
11-17-2007, 02:57 PM
snavesuk;

Ummm, ....Errr, .....I think dgrayson was simply pulling our collective "Johnson"!

klcarroll

Celeon999
11-17-2007, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So all that you do by attacking Americans with U-boats is p%ss them off - and they drop an Atomic weapon on Berlin, followed by Hamburg, followed by Friedrichsaven. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To make a little Off Topic detour here :


Ive thought several times about that scenario and im pretty sure that the consequences would had been more dramatic and gigantic than the allies could have ever imagined.

Although being helpless in face of such a devastating weapon, the third Reich was still capable of massive retaliation.

In fact the third Reich was the first country to possess weapons of mass destruction.

And the allies had no idea about that !

Remember that the Nazis stored several hundred tons of the nerve agents Soman , Sarin and most important Tabun in Austria which use was forbidden by Hitler except the allies would use chemical weapons first.

Tabun and Soman are even today still one of the most toxic nerve agents ever created.

Tabun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabun_%28nerve_agent%29)
Sarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin)

Soman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soman)

And they were in possession of a delivery system with huge range and which was unstoppable to the allies. The V-2.

This in combination with the fact that the allies had no idea of the existence of nerve agents and the uselessness of the with the soldiers and british civilians deployed gasmasks againts them.....

Nerve agents enter the body through the skin and cause death within seconds, and it takes just a exposure to microscopic amounts !

Not a single allied soldier had sufficient protective clothing or equipment.

This would had ment doomsday for allied troops in Europe aswell as millions of civilians in France and the Netherlands aswell as Great Britain !

A single V-2 with a Tabun warhead would have caused hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths in London alone.

The V-2 could carry almost one ton of payload. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


Not to mention that the Nazis were capable of sending far more than just one at a time.

Even if a warhead conversion for the V-2 wasnt immidiately available, the normal delivery by airplanes and artillery for usage on western europe would had been ready in no time.


In fact... when you think about the availability of a-bombs to the allies (aswell as their production time) ... The Nazis would had been able to cause much more death and suffering in shorter time than the u.s airforce could deliver with two a-bombs or more in months.

Forget about the 50 million deaths of ww2 in our reality. Think about 5 times as much deaths in case of this fictive scenario ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

dgrayson
11-17-2007, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by klcarroll:
snavesuk;

Ummm, ....Errr, .....I think dgrayson was simply pulling our collective "Johnson"!

klcarroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yanking it like a monkey in a mango tree.

ElAurens
11-17-2007, 04:09 PM
This thread delivers.

TalladegaHack
11-18-2007, 12:13 AM
I just love how they've managed to change the game from a US Navy VS Japanese Navy sim to a German Navy VS. the US Navy sim. Even Chris Angel would be impressed at that magic trick. That's just simply MINDFREAK-ING me out! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

capt_frank
11-18-2007, 05:42 AM
It's the development tools the add-on brings that makes this great, not the scope of the add-on's game play.

C'mon, get out of the trees...the forest is more fun.

krazyfrenchman
11-18-2007, 07:16 AM
Personally, INSTEAD of giving us the tools (and basically tell us: "The Hell with it!") they should really try to fix what should have been fixed a LONG time ago, and then be consistant with what the add-on will offer and implement it as well in the stock game. So far, I've never seen a Mogami class even use her seaplane(s) to scout around. Never did I witness planes taking off of an aircraft career, that it be U.S. or IJN. Does it truly make sense? And now the add-on will have these features? Notwithstanding the fact that German commanders ultimately probably never asked the assistance of the Japanese... or even relayed them information.

dgrayson
11-18-2007, 07:35 AM
I have to stop being so subtle in these posts. The reaction I was looking for when I started this thread was ROTFLMAO or at the least LMAO. snavesuk thought I was being serious and now capt_frank seems to think I am upset and on some kind of a rant. Neither is true. The point I was trying to make was this. There is nothing in the add-on that interests me. My real reaction to the add-on is a big yawn. The reason for this is the way I play the game. My goals are to sink as many ships as possible while avoiding any damage to my boat. To me it is a game of stealth and tactics, a chess game between the AI and myself. A typical session of two or three hours generally results in one or two kills. It's not very exciting, but it is satisfying to strike and vanish into the depths while the DDs play "ring around the rosy" over where they think I am.

I am not a "gamer". I only own two PC games, Silent Hunter 1 and Silent Hunter 4. That's it. What I was looking for in SH4 was a vastly improved version of SH1 and with patch 1.4 I should have it. For me the only annoying bug left after 1.3 was the International Dateline bug and they say that will be fixed, so I am now happy. The game plays well, the graphics, with the MODs, are awesome and I can almost smell the salt water when I am on the bridge. As far as I am concerned, the game patched to 1.4 will be complete and I can spend the next few years having a ball with it.

Maybe I should have titled this thread "The Add-on, a Little Bit of Comedy Relief". Let's see what the rest of our frustrated stand up comedians can come up with. We already have enough serious threads on this topic.

@KFM One more serious post in this thread and you will wind up with a virtual cream pie in your face.

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krazyfrenchman
11-18-2007, 08:00 AM
Lol, not that I wanted to be dead serious at first, but as I mentioned earlier, it is "deja vu" for me: we thought of the same thing almost at the same time. At least I speak up out of good conscience...

Was I the only one who got the original meaning of his initial post? Seriously D., you ought to want and place a sign beside every "practical joker" thread you start around here! (irony)

klcarroll
11-18-2007, 12:21 PM
dgrayson;

As far as I'm concerned, ...you've said it all!

...Er, ..what's that? ...Oh sure, ...OK!

Socko says he agrees too!!

(I'm always serious about the game!)

klcarroll

snavesuk
11-18-2007, 12:32 PM
I reply in such tones as only an idiot could think I was being serious and you guys don't get it?

I don't think I'm the one who's had a `sense of the ridiculous` bypass... I was playing out the imaginary scenario as envisaged in the tongue-in-cheek thread. As with all the best stories, it is of course based on a hint of truth. WWII was lost to the Axis when Germany invaded Russia, and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

But if anyone truly thinks that the Allies would have countenanced atomic weapons being relased in their own backyards then, seriously, you need treatment!

And that [i]does[i/] make me ROFPMPWL.

A yarn of epic proportions! Good enough for a Hollywood re-write of the history books in the manner of U571 where the Americans win the War and a handful of unconvincing too-old actors can steer a submarine that needs a crew of fifty... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

dgrayson
11-18-2007, 12:48 PM
Sorry snavesuk, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif
I was the dense one here. I read your post too fast. My fault.

Please accept my apology.

As far as U571 is concerned.. If I watch it, it is with the sound off. That way I can still appreciate the subs.

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Stevepine
11-19-2007, 08:15 AM
Being British, I will just be happy to be able to pretend to be a German blasting the Americans again!

Royal Navy Subs did play quite an importnant role in the war and took out quite a few fairly juicy targets...but Im realistic... and I know that they will never feature in SH4 and probably not in SH5. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

dgrayson
11-19-2007, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stevepine:
Being British, I will just be happy to be able to pretend to be a German blasting the Americans again!

Royal Navy Subs did play quite an importnant role in the war and took out quite a few fairly juicy targets...but Im realistic... and I know that they will never feature in SH4 and probably not in SH5. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Steve, too serious. You know the penalty for that.


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Ducimus_Rapax
11-19-2007, 09:27 AM
Add on sort of last favor with me because its not FIXING THE ORGINAL GAME. Instead, what it really is, is a grab at your wallet, and another bow down to the crazy pack of uboat fans on subsims sh3 forums.

Now with some of these screenshots, its REALLY lost me:

http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/original/2007/11/hunter05.jpg
http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/original/2007/11/hunter06.jpg



1.) Only one type 21 ever made a patrol, at the very end of the war. Said patrol was cut short because, well, it was the end of the war.

2.) No type 21 ever sank, ANYTHING.

3.) what FEW Type 21's, did sail, if im not mistaken, were out of ports still secured by the 3rd reich. Norway, or areas a bit closer to germany proper.

4.) German uboats had **** for "stragic support" outside of a milk cow. They had no air cover.

5.) The only boats to sail in the indian oceans were specifically Type9C/40's and Type9D2's. only ONE boat ever entered the pacific, and that was a type 9d2. So a type 21 shoudlnt even be an option here.

6.) They didnt sink a whole lot, they were there in theater as more of a method to transport much needed precious cargos then attack boats. yes they did run some patrols, but again, didn't do a whole lot and were minimially effective.

Stevepine
11-19-2007, 10:04 AM
Hahaha... sorry , im far from serious usually http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
11-19-2007, 10:50 AM
Ducimus, I could not agree with you more.

*ducks thrown pie...*

As someone interseted in WW2 aviation as well, it should be noted that one of the more intersting cargos sent to Japan from Germany was a U-Boat full of MG-151 20mm aircraft cannons that were installed in late model Kawasaki Ki61 Hein aircraft (Allied code name "Tony"). I have no idea where they were offloaded however.

klcarroll
11-19-2007, 01:19 PM
Ducimus;

I too am firmly in agreement with you! (Thrown pies notwithstanding!)

It really seems as if there are some people in UBI Management who don't understand that "Fantasy" and "Simulations" are usually two separate genres.

Within a solid, historical Simulation, a little bit of "What If?" capability can be interesting: ......But for the "What If?" option to be a valid, the historical basics must be firmly in place FIRST!

klcarroll

dgrayson
11-19-2007, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by klcarroll:

Within a solid, historical Simulation, a little bit of "What If?" capability can be interesting: ......But for the "What If?" option to be a valid, the historical basics must be firmly in place FIRST!

klcarroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree KL anything else is just pie in the sky.

(Ashamed, but somehow gratified by his cheap attempt at humor and doubled over in laughter, dgrayson slinks to the bakery for more ammo)

snavesuk
11-19-2007, 02:22 PM
Ah! I see no that UBI are in fact comedians, as they deliver a ludicrous addon without first fixing what needed fixing of the original game

How silly of us not to realise that we are being laughed at...

But why stop the comedy train at this particular station?

Lets have some good old Sabre jets to knock those beastly Huns back into the Adriatic, Mediterranean, or wherever sea the sausage-munching, lederhosen-splitting, racial supremacists came from. (Cliches are funny, so we must have those, too. Bring on the slanty-eyed Nips and the stiff upper lip Brits, there's mirth in mockery!)

We could have a jolly good guffaw at Kirk Douglas at the helm of nuclear supercarrier single-handedly destroying the Japanese resistance by helicoptering onto the Emperors lawn, and nicking his underwear off the Imperial washing line...

And how about some amalgamated `Tom and Jerry` characters (Hmm, `Tomita` and Jerry, perhaps?) who crash-land on a beach and spend the next twenty years knocking seven types of smelly something out of each other. Oh how we could laugh at the endless battling!

And perhaps we could have new game objectives in the Addon, like laying some serious slides as we carve our nuclear-warhead equipped Ohio class through the Japanese fleet and drop multi-kiloton warheads on the natives - just for a giggle, you understand?

Sorry, but the whole concept of this addon is specious and odious in equal measure. Rampant opportunism at its absolute worst.

By all means extend reality, or shorten banality to bypass total realism; I don't trhink we need to drown in the bath just to mimic the fate of the tens of thousands of submariners who gave their lives for their countries, but you don't just cheapen the genre by such suicidally naive marketing, you destroy any and all remaining credibility of the development team, the developer, publisher - and those who would want to purchase such a tissue of falsehood.

Or at least get SH4 right first before you do so. Or else the biggest titter remains for SH4.

And the laugh's on us.

I'm not bloody laughing now, UBI.

dgrayson
11-19-2007, 02:50 PM
@snavesuk
Started out alright, but then went waaay too serious.
Sorry, but rules are rules.
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klcarroll
11-19-2007, 03:52 PM
Wow!! ...A delivery system with "Multiple Independent Pie" warheads!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Aren't "MIPs" a violation of the SALT agreement??

(....And klcarroll ducks under his desk, ...as he knows there will be "incoming" soon!)

klcarroll

krazyfrenchman
11-19-2007, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ducimus_Rapax:
1.) Only one type 21 ever made a patrol, at the very end of the war. Said patrol was cut short because, well, it was the end of the war. [ETC.] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I do not know if it's the time to tell you this Ducimus, but it is in fact a [non-existent] Type XVIII which was to be one of two controllable types. The Type XVIII's design significantly influenced Type XXI's...

Just to bring a bit of smarta$$ flavor into the discussion... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Ducimus_Rapax
11-19-2007, 07:49 PM
Im not so much intrested in their development, as much as i am on what they acutaly did.

Scuse me while i try and find any historical reference to type 21's and type 23's being south of the equator, let alone the indian ocean, let alone the pacific.

Please be patient, this may take awhile! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

dgrayson
11-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Ducimus,

Due to service above and beyond the call of duty and the fact that I use TTM, you are hereby granted a pie-free pass for the duration of this thread.

KFM,

Not quite smartass enough. You can do better.
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klcarroll
Quote: Wow!! ...A delivery system with "Multiple Independent Pie" warheads!!!

Aren't "MIPs" a violation of the SALT agreement??

(....And klcarroll ducks under his desk, ...as he knows there will be "incoming" soon!) Quote

klcarroll,

In this thread you only get a pie for being serious. That was funny. No pies have been launched.