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Dominicrigg
03-07-2005, 10:13 AM
I just found this and thought it was really interesting.

Attack set up (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/attack.html)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The largest salvo in history was fired by Lieutenant (later Vice Admiral Sir) Arthur 'Baldy' Hezlet who, as commanding officer of HMS Trenchant during WWII, sank the Japanese battle-cruiser Ashigara which he hit with five torpedoes out a salvo of eight from a range of four thousand yards! Such was the strategic importance of the target, but with the submarine unable to close the range, this brilliant CO applied all the logic discussed above, and achieved his aim by covering all eventualities.
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Did you know the Royal navy had the best torpedoes of the war? Im already wanting a royal navy add on to silent hunter 3!!


Ps a 4000 yard hit without torpedo computers of the german uboats is simply amazing shooting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ParaB
03-07-2005, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Did you know the Royal navy had the best torpedoes of the war? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I didn't actually know that. What made them the best torpedoes, for example, compared to a japanese long lance torpedo in 1941 or a FAT in 1943?

Messervy
03-07-2005, 10:30 AM
Not quite a German Computer but some sort of computer nevertheless:

http://tinypic.com/21phz6

Dominicrigg
03-07-2005, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ParaB:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Did you know the Royal navy had the best torpedoes of the war? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I didn't actually know that. What made them the best torpedoes, for example, compared to a japanese long lance torpedo in 1941 or a FAT in 1943? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reliability firstly. Also speed and range, they had few technical problems compared to the myraid difficulties unlucky U-boat captains had to cope with which we all know about (and will soon experience http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

ParaB
03-07-2005, 10:42 AM
But didn't the japanese long lance torpedo have both a higher speed AND longer range than the british torpedoes from the same time? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nukem_Hicks
03-07-2005, 10:47 AM
I'm pretty sure that the Jap long lance was the best torpedo available to any side during the war. They were very reliable at distances up to a whopping 5000 yards. Consider that the Germans were advised to close to less than a mile and that the Americans also suffered from a myriad of technical difficulties.

Oh, and before anybody flames me for using the word "Jap", just remember that it is no different than calling someone "Yank" or "Brit", both of which are widely used and normal terms.

Tetrapack
03-07-2005, 11:06 AM
The British T-class submarines were able to fire a spread of ten (!) torpedoes. There were only three such attacks, all during the German invasion of Norway.

On 8 April 1940, HMS Triton fired 10 torpedoes at the heavy cruiser Bl├╝cher (on her way to Oslo where she was sunk the next day) from a extrem distance of 7500 yards but all missed astern.

On 9 April 1940, HMS Truant fired 10 torpedoes at the light cruiser Karlsruhe which was hit by one torpedo in the stern and had to be scuttled.

On 8 May 1940, HMS Taku fired 10 torpedoes at a convoy of two merchants escorted by two torpedo boats. Only a single torpedo hit and damaged one of the escorts.

Only 2 of the 30 fired torpedoes hit.. not a very good rate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Dominicrigg
03-07-2005, 11:10 AM
British torps fired 10,000 yards (Maybe 12k i forget). Though getting a hit at that range would be very hard. But then i thought a hit at 5000 would be pretty impossible till i read that about the Ashigara.

Also i dont know much about japanese submarine sucess but im not even sure if they scored hits with that long lance. Though i know they had a wicked few kills at one point and like the british they fought against mainly military targets so had a much harder time then other sub forces.

Lobolopez220
03-07-2005, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
I just found this and thought it was really interesting.
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And if you want higher res versions of the cut aways on that site check here, which is a site I had posted on this forum a while back:

http://www.cyber-heritage.co.uk/cutaway/

Lobo

Poacher886a
03-07-2005, 01:10 PM
I know the Germans copied the British fuse design,on there torps from one they captured!!

Oh and Nukem,calling the japanese 'japs' and the British, Brits and the Swedish, Sweed's and so on is fully acceptable except when calling Pakistani's Paki's for some strange reason,i've always argued this point myself!!

Dominicrigg
03-07-2005, 01:22 PM
Nice one lobo, ill check those out.

@ poacher language is a complex thing, i studied aspects of language in Literature and we did a short part of this.

Basically Brit isnt used offensively, "paki" and "jap" are/were used offensively. Its like the racist word for a black person beggining in N. It comes the roman word for black (not offensive). Lots of words can be offensive depending on the context.

Jap and paki would be considered offensive but we all know nukem is just being lazy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
03-07-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
Oh and Nukem,calling the japanese 'japs' and the British, Brits and the Swedish, Sweed's and so on is fully acceptable except when calling Pakistani's Paki's for some strange reason,i've always argued this point myself!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

'Brits' has always been Provo (IRA) slang. Lots of Britons take issue with it. Same with 'Jap' for Japanese folks. I think it's funny that 'Nip' (a word that many people think is more derogatory than 'Jap') is actually closer to the Japanese word for 'Japanese'). Call people by their proper national identity (i.e. don't shorten it), and you have no problems. As for 'Yank' (or rather 'Yankee'), a lot of Northern Americans adopt it as a badge of pride. Just don't call anyone below the Mason-Dixon line a 'Yank', because they might not feel the same way about it as the Northerners do. I dare not call my wife (who's from Texas) a Yank to her face, and my wife cringes when anyone refers to 'Brits' in front of me. 'Brit' doesn't quite ask for a 'Glasgow Handshake', but it's close, and closer if I'm drunk.

WAIKEONG
09-28-2005, 01:40 AM
The British currently have the fastest torpedo in
the world - Spearfish.

I personally know a BAE Systems (formerly GEC-Marconi)
underwater weapons executive, whom I had befriended
at the Defence Services Asia exhibition in Kuala Lumpur
a number of years ago. I still meet him every two years when this event is held, and hopefully will meet him again next April.

He did not reveal to me since it was obviously classified,
but he did confirm it was the fastest torpedo around.
Spearfish has been reported to exceed 70 knots, while
the Mk 48 ADCAP probably hits 60.

He said it's noisier than the older Tigerfish though, due to
the thermal engine propulsion. All the while I had thought
that Tigerfish had sunk the General Belgrano during the
Falklands War, but he confirmed that they were straight-
running Mk 8s.

Dominicrigg
09-28-2005, 07:22 AM
My friend said it was a wire guided mk 8 that sunk the belgrano. If so it must have been modified from stock. Though i dont know if he is right or not.

70 knots for a torp! Thats insane. There is no way anything could avoid that, and it would make aiming so much easier. So much less margain for error!

WirMussen
09-28-2005, 07:35 AM
it was definatly a Mk. VIII, and i believe i did read it was wired guided, but iv read so many articles on the subject i cant find the one which said that

Kaleun1961
09-28-2005, 01:41 PM
Thanks for this interesting post. It has me wondering, if a WW2 Brit[ish] http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif submarine simulator is released, seeing that they did not have a continuous solution computer like the Germans, would it be mandatory that players must do manual targetting?