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M0ttie
09-25-2007, 03:04 PM
A friend of mines a diver and had visited this wreck last weekend with his club.
U1021, lost with all hands.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/1021.1.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6142.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6118.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6136.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6157.jpg

[img]http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6162.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6174.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6176.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6186.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6192.jpg

85 metres(?)down off Trevose Head (10 miles out from Newquay)and on rebreathers he says they were on the site over an hour, a further 2 being spent decompressing on the way back up.
Wish I could scuba dive, bad ears prevents pressure equalisation, OK on aircraft but bad news if going underwater too fast - tried it.

Said his 'team' found the wreck in 2005 and it was I.D'd as U1021 in 2006, not too sure about that.

Articles/info:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u1021.htm
http://www.uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=69

Cant believe the clarity of the water at 80+ metres, must've said 85 feet and my deaf aid was playing up...........like I said bad ears.

M0ttie
09-25-2007, 03:04 PM
A friend of mines a diver and had visited this wreck last weekend with his club.
U1021, lost with all hands.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/1021.1.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6142.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6118.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6136.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6157.jpg

[img]http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6162.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6174.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6176.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6186.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/M0ttiebucket/U1021-6192.jpg

85 metres(?)down off Trevose Head (10 miles out from Newquay)and on rebreathers he says they were on the site over an hour, a further 2 being spent decompressing on the way back up.
Wish I could scuba dive, bad ears prevents pressure equalisation, OK on aircraft but bad news if going underwater too fast - tried it.

Said his 'team' found the wreck in 2005 and it was I.D'd as U1021 in 2006, not too sure about that.

Articles/info:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u1021.htm
http://www.uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=69

Cant believe the clarity of the water at 80+ metres, must've said 85 feet and my deaf aid was playing up...........like I said bad ears.

VikingGrandad
09-25-2007, 03:24 PM
Thank you for posting these incredible photographs M0ttie. They are some of the best (if not THE best) submerged U-boat wreck photos I have ever seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Realjambo
09-25-2007, 03:31 PM
I'll second that VG! Stunning! My jaw is still on the desk in front of me. Thanks very much for sharing Mottie! Be sure to buy your friend a drink from all of us here! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

andy3536
09-25-2007, 03:44 PM
Fantastic pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif, nice job he's got!


How did the the sub sink?

VikingGrandad
09-25-2007, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by andy3536:
How did the the sub sink? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the article at the end of M0ttie's post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In summary, it appears that U-1021 hit a mine. From the photos, it looks like the whole aft section was blown off.

Liddabit
09-25-2007, 03:55 PM
Is that a world war 1 uboat or this one?

http://uboat.net/boats/u1021.htm

Doesn't look like a VIIC unless I am looking at it wrong :O

Amazing pictures though! Scuba diving looks so horrifying

VikingGrandad
09-25-2007, 04:38 PM
The proportions looks right for a Type VII. It's hard to spot any distinguishing features because of all the sea life and debris... You'd expect to be able to tell by the conning tower shape, but there isn't a clear enough shot of the distinctive pointed shape at the lower aft of the conning tower - like this:

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/ships/robertoubc.jpg

geoffwessex
09-25-2007, 04:45 PM
The central part of the Bristol Channel was mined but on each side of that a quite narrow strip - about 4 miles wide - was meant for the use of smaller cargo ships going in and out of Cardiff, Swansea, Barry and Bristol. However, while this route was safe for surface ships, the channel had been mined deeper in order to catch U-boats and U-1021 was one of those. I think there were three U-boats that got mined close inshore to North Cornwall/Devon.

The_Silent_O
09-25-2007, 05:18 PM
In the first photo you can see the RF Loop antenna and the schnorkel device clearly. It's a VIIc with a schnorkel...

These are great photos...can believe they are off the coast of England

Carotio
09-25-2007, 05:50 PM
Very interesting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jake_nukem
09-25-2007, 08:43 PM
Are you allowed to go into the submarine or is it forbidden due to it being a war grave?

Goose_Green
09-25-2007, 10:34 PM
Excellent post there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kaleun1961
09-25-2007, 10:47 PM
It is a wargrave and thus out of bounds for exploring. Especially that close to the UK. I think Her Majesty's regs would have something to prohibit that. Aside from that, I don't think any diver would dare to venture inside of such an old wreck. I would imagine that the deteriorating condition of the wreck would present too many perils for an internal inspection.

Great pics! Thanks for sharing them.

Liddabit
09-25-2007, 11:46 PM
Would those torpedos be a risk at all anymore?

wm4668
09-26-2007, 04:38 AM
Seeing these shots rang a bell with me, I remembered earlier this year seeing a Documentary on Channel 4 (UK), entitled

Wreck Detectives (http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/W/wreck_detectives/prog_uboat_more.html)

Really fascinating don't know if C4 have any plans to repeat, though

Bucketlung
09-26-2007, 06:46 AM
I would have the identity of the wreck verified again. That is a very small boat.

M0ttie
09-26-2007, 02:46 PM
That was my first question....... can you get inside.
He said not a chance, best you can do is look in from the damaged hull. No diver with half a brain would entertain trying to enter, lots of snags. You wouldn't get more than a couple of feet anyway unless you started cutting your way in and yes, they treat it as a war grave regardless.
He's a decent guy, I'll pass on your comments and just to confirm ask him if he recalls the shape behind the conning tower.
Posting them was my pleasure, my jaw dropped when I saw them too.
Just glad to give a little something back to the community in appreciation for all the advice and mods.
Roll on V4

Realjambo
09-26-2007, 03:09 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

I used to do a bit of diving, don't have the time now since the boys were born, but I was always told "Take only photo's, leave only bubbles" when it came to wreck dives.

I think on the whole divers are extremely respectful of diving on wrecks where souls aboard have been lost and your friend Mottie does indeed sound like a good guy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mittelwaechter
09-26-2007, 04:52 PM
YouTube Diving U-1021 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFJHik80-A)

U301
09-26-2007, 07:24 PM
It looks a IIB (late war) to me!
I am no expert but I think that U-boot might have been pressed into service and then sunk by the minefield in the Bristol Channel.
KUrtz

pmh273
09-27-2007, 03:48 AM
Stunning pictures there mate, great stuff!!!

M0ttie
09-27-2007, 01:45 PM
Chatted with the guy again today.
He confirmed the shape of the conning tower as it go's down to the hull as that of a V11c.
Lots of other 'bits' of info.... he's putting a small list together of interesting things on the wreck. got the depth wrong its 58 meters down and he says the bow was blown off.
Also said he'd dived on a British boat, the 'Swordfish?' off the Isle of Wight with very similar damage. Her fate was unknown until the 80's.
http://www.csubmarine.org/html/boats/swordfish.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/pda/A894332?s_id=5
No piccies I'm afraid.

M0ttie
09-28-2007, 04:18 PM
A few interesting things he's told me today.
'The wreck IS the UB 1021 with positive identification being done on the brass / bronze collar around each of the propellers. Every prop for submarines in the second world war were specifically made for the vessel, each being unique. This is a type VII C'.
Didn't know that......... anyone else confirm this? seen documentaries where they've needed a plate from machinery or inside the hull somewhere to id a boat.
'During the first world war the props were again unique, but when I dived the UB 62 four years ago, one of the props was marked UB63 and the other UB62, this was a puzzle which was unravelled when I came across an emergency re-fitting document in the archives which told me as a rush job, the Germans fixed UB 62 with a spare prop from the UB63..... I did get lucky'.

'When diving subs (specifically) I always respect the poor sailors who were lost, but if I find bones or personal stuff I always keep well clear. In the case of UB 1021, all the hatches are closed and no bones or boots are lying around the wreck (boots specifically show people escaped and drowned). All the sailors who were not in the forward torpedo room (blown to bits) I am sure are still on board'.
'Behind the conning tower there is a small "porthole" (window) ((like I didn't know a porthole was a type of window - Doh))into the main pressure hull, this is about 4cm in size, but large enough that I can shine my major torch on it and see that the hull has not yet filled with water, and hence the pressure hull is intact'.
'When diving under the broken bow, where the torpedo room is, 2 torpedoes stick out of the broken tubes and just beyond it is possible (I have tried) to get your hands on the main door between the control room and the forward torpedo room. I can confirm that this door is sealed and as it's a bit squashed impossible to open. It would not open anyway as there is "gas" air? Behind it'.
A porthole in the main pressure hull?, not sure about that one at all but he's adamant there is a small glass 'porthole' you can just see through and its definitely not flooded the other side.

So if he's right about the prop ID its a definite, U1021, a type V11C.......