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anthbmagic
09-08-2009, 03:46 PM
Hello,

Sorry if this has been discussed already just wanted to throw this one out there. Not sure if ubi have mentioned anything as i've just found out they are making this game tonight.

For sure a UK sub campaign would be difficult as they on the whole did'nt seem to be as advanced as the german uboats but i'm sure it would be a challenge that many people would be willing to accept. :-)

Personally think it would add another unique aspect to the game as it has'nt been done in the previous SH games. If it is too late to put it into the final version, surely this could be a good idea for an add-on after release.

anthbmagic
09-08-2009, 03:46 PM
Hello,

Sorry if this has been discussed already just wanted to throw this one out there. Not sure if ubi have mentioned anything as i've just found out they are making this game tonight.

For sure a UK sub campaign would be difficult as they on the whole did'nt seem to be as advanced as the german uboats but i'm sure it would be a challenge that many people would be willing to accept. :-)

Personally think it would add another unique aspect to the game as it has'nt been done in the previous SH games. If it is too late to put it into the final version, surely this could be a good idea for an add-on after release.

Liddabit
09-08-2009, 05:16 PM
That would be great. I would love to see this. UK really has a proud submarine history all its own, I think we are still the only nation to have scored a combat torpedo hit with a modern submarine too.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JFK09
09-08-2009, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">For sure a UK sub campaign would be difficult as they on the whole did'nt seem to be as advanced as the german uboats but i'm sure it would be a challenge that many people would be willing to accept. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why would you think that UK sub campaign will be available in the game? The developers not said even a word about it. I assuming there will be only one campaign, German.

walkirie
09-09-2009, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liddabit:
That would be great. I would love to see this. UK really has a proud submarine history all its own, I think we are still the only nation to have scored a combat torpedo hit with a modern submarine too.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree with you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

pstorr
09-16-2009, 08:21 AM
Hi,

British boats, woa yeeesssss pleeease.

how good can this get

pete

Capt.Dylan
09-16-2009, 02:37 PM
british subs suck the only ones who made a diffrence was the americans and germans

doogerie
09-21-2009, 12:04 PM
watch i Dylan my gradand was a SubMarana in WW2 and aI am well proud of him for that and I am DAm proud to be called his grandson.

doogerie
09-21-2009, 01:01 PM
The british made a huge diffrence in the war any way are you one of those amaericans that think that we did nothing lets see what did we the british do Hmm rember that wwe are smaller the any one of your states so
BOB (we won without you)
D-day (2 beachs on our own and a bridge)
broke the german navel code
helped you in the pasific.

not bad for a small island

Nuc344
09-21-2009, 01:27 PM
the British T class was listed as the Military Channel's number 4 top submarine right after number 3 Gato and number 1 Type VII. It had an important role in cutting Rommel's supply lines to N. Africa. It would be a shame if that is not included in this simulation of the ATO.

http://military.discovery.com/...s/submarines-04.html (http://military.discovery.com/technology/vehicles/submarines/submarines-04.html)

Edit: btw I'm an American and PTO fan

klcarroll
09-21-2009, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">british subs suck the only ones who made a diffrence was the americans and germans </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

@Capt.Dylan;

Well, .....You've got your work cut out for you if you plan on supporting THAT comment!!!

...Particularly when you realize that one of the things that worried German commanders the most when leaveing the French ports late in the War was British Subs waiting quietly in the Bay of Biscay!!!


Aircraft were a real threat: ....but a British Torpedo packing 1000 pounds of torpex was a "sure thing"!!!



klcarroll

Nuc344
09-21-2009, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by klcarroll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">british subs suck the only ones who made a diffrence was the americans and germans </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

@Capt.Dylan;

Well, .....You've got your work cut out for you if you plan on supporting THAT comment!!!

...Particularly when you realize that one of the things that worried German commanders the most when leaveing the French ports late in the War was British Subs waiting quietly in the Bay of Biscay!!!


Aircraft were a real threat: ....but a British Torpedo packing 1000 pounds of torpex was a "sure thing"!!!



klcarroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All the more reason the Dev's need to condsider allied campaigns

doogerie
09-22-2009, 05:00 AM
yeha there is the med and the channel not to mention irish and north sea does anyone kowe if we had a sub force in the pasific?

Clannsman
09-22-2009, 11:19 AM
If i remember correctly, In WW11 British subs destroyed more subs than any other nation.....they after all invented the things...and torpedoes....and the first fully powered sub..and the use of batteries..and etc etc..

arewee
09-22-2009, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That would be great. I would love to see this. UK really has a proud submarine history all its own, I think we are still the only nation to have scored a combat torpedo hit with a modern submarine too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Liddabit you are spot on, a Royal Navy Submarine is the first and only confirmed kill while submerged. On February 6 1945 Royal Navy submarine Venturer sank U-864 in the Fedje area just off Norway. U-864 knew he was there was zig-zaging using evasive manoeuvres and Captain Jimmy Launders hit him clean and split the uboat in two using an unguided torpedo.

So of course Capt.Dylan is completly correct the Yanks made all the difference in the world by sinking no submarines.... in WWII... or ever in the entire history of the US navy. Goos argument.

doogerie
09-23-2009, 12:54 AM
yet another reson why we need the good old british sub in SH5

Nuc344
09-23-2009, 05:53 AM
A few links from this yank:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/ (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/)

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/britsubs.html

Nuc344
09-23-2009, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arewee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That would be great. I would love to see this. UK really has a proud submarine history all its own, I think we are still the only nation to have scored a combat torpedo hit with a modern submarine too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Liddabit you are spot on, a Royal Navy Submarine is the first and only confirmed kill while submerged. On February 6 1945 Royal Navy submarine Venturer sank U-864 in the Fedje area just off Norway. U-864 knew he was there was zig-zaging using evasive manoeuvres and Captain Jimmy Launders hit him clean and split the uboat in two using an unguided torpedo.

So of course Capt.Dylan is completly correct the Yanks made all the difference in the world by sinking no submarines.... in WWII... or ever in the entire history of the US navy. Goos argument. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Liddabit was refering to modern (i.e., post WW II) combat in the Falklands and sinking a surface ship. As far as US in WWII there were several IJN subs sunk by US boats. Batfish sank 3 in the matter of a few hours. The case you mention may be the only sinking of a submerged target?

http://ww2history.suite101.com...fm/uss_batfish_ss310 (http://ww2history.suite101.com/article.cfm/uss_batfish_ss310)

arewee
09-23-2009, 07:09 AM
Yeah sorry I diddnt say on the post! This is the only sinking of a submerged submarine by another submerged submarine. I am guessing subs sunk on the surface will have to count as surface targets only.

doogerie
09-23-2009, 10:06 AM
Let's hope that the devs read this forum and bring the british subs as an add on or somthing if i could just put in a personal plea for them to include the P 31 sub from Malta if thay do it

JU88
09-24-2009, 04:01 PM
British sub campaign would be very nice and very doable.
Not famous enough to justify a stand alone sim - but perfect for an SHV addon

1) Playable boats would be S, T and U classes. based on numbers constructed.
S-class (66 built) Comapariable to a Type VII
T-class (58 built) Comapariable to an Type IX
U-class (44 built) Comapariable to - a cross between a Type VII and a Type II

2) Full interiors may have to be somewhat generic / improvised though, as there is little in the way of avaliable material for research (very few photographs and no exsiting boats today)

3) Theaters of operation,
North Sea against the Germans & occupied Norway, (1939 - 1944)
Med against the Italians & German occupied north Africa, (1940 - 1944)
Southeast Pacific. Against the Empire of Japan. (1943 - 1945)
(In that order)

4) Ports & bases include:
North sea bases: Lerwick, Dundee, Portsmouth, Blyth, Rothesay and Holy Loch
Med bases: Malta, Gibralta, Algiers, Alexandria, Port Said and Beirut
Far east bases: Trincomalee and Fremantle

5) Would need a decent aray of historical Italian and Japanese NPC Units -the latter could be ported from SH4
Would require and increased amount of Axis traffic but thats about it

LINKY http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/index.htm (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/index.htm)

doogerie
09-25-2009, 04:51 AM
for u class subs i wan to see the HMS Uproar (P31)
missions here is the wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Uproar_(P31)

StarFire1973
09-25-2009, 11:35 PM
Yes please! Maybe even some X-Craft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Nuc344
09-26-2009, 04:09 AM
Unfortunately It is not to be.....yet

From the Q&A thread:

The screen shots reveal a German Uboat, I assume we will be seeing a campaign based on the German navy or will there be an U.S. Navy campaign as well?

For now, only the German Navy. Our focus was to create a highly detailed game, with a highly detailed campaign and submarine experience. To achieve that, we needed to narrow our scope so we can give full attention to all small details that make this game so unique. Other navies (US Navy, Regia Marina, Royal Navy, etc) will have to wait for now.

SilentNireus
09-27-2009, 05:55 AM
British subs. YES!!!

http://www.geocities.com/penta...uarters/6680/sub.htm (http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/6680/sub.htm)

doogerie
09-28-2009, 02:45 AM
i think if we keep on talking about a british camagne we could see a british sub misssion pack or something

Samofrome
09-28-2009, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doogerie:
i think if we keep on talking about a british camagne we could see a british sub misssion pack or something </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeh, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, oh that would be GREAT, knowing more about my history in my country (not as in PM or King etc.)

doogerie
09-29-2009, 02:19 AM
yeah focouse of only a few subs and chosea theter of war like the alantic or channel north se irsh sea indea med and bring on the germans

Ironoutlaw34c
09-29-2009, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anthbmagic:
Hello,

Sorry if this has been discussed already just wanted to throw this one out there. Not sure if ubi have mentioned anything as i've just found out they are making this game tonight.

For sure a UK sub campaign would be difficult as they on the whole did'nt seem to be as advanced as the german uboats but i'm sure it would be a challenge that many people would be willing to accept. :-)

Personally think it would add another unique aspect to the game as it has'nt been done in the previous SH games. If it is too late to put it into the final version, surely this could be a good idea for an add-on after release. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd like to see that!