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syne7
12-30-2007, 10:58 AM
I've just gone through the tutorials and played my 2nd ranked game and the program allowed my computer opponent to castle on the queen side eventhough I controlled one of the square he castled over with one of my bishops.

Has anyone else experience some basic chess rule violations?

syne7
12-30-2007, 10:58 AM
I've just gone through the tutorials and played my 2nd ranked game and the program allowed my computer opponent to castle on the queen side eventhough I controlled one of the square he castled over with one of my bishops.

Has anyone else experience some basic chess rule violations?

syne7
12-30-2007, 11:46 AM
I'd be happy to. I'm a first time user. Is there a log file or something I can download?

syne7
12-30-2007, 12:00 PM
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I tried to highlight the game text with the mouse and cut and paste, but the notation can not be highlighted.

CrUeL_KNIGHTS
12-30-2007, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by syne7:
I'd be happy to. I'm a first time user. Is there a log file or something I can download? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There you go, your a first time user that explains you have misunderstood the rules of chess.
Me and ebutaljib are experienced, we have played chessmaster for years and alot of the other players out here in chessmaster forums know what chessmaster bugs exists and doesn't.

NO, NO, NO IF you are SO DAMN SURE that the castling done by the computer was WRONG!
THEN take a video with your camera or mobile phone and show it to us.
I can gurantee you THAT NOONE ELSE IN THIS FORUM WHO IS EXPERIENCED WILL AGREE AND WILL NOW POST IN HERE THAT HE ALSO RECEIVES THE SAME BUG.
absolutly NOT. Enough evidence to show is that nobody else complained about it since the day Chessmaster grandmaster edition was released in November 2nd 2007!!!

syne7
12-30-2007, 12:12 PM
Why that's an incredibly hostile response. I'm not trying to denigrate the product or anything. Just sharing what I've experienced. I've also logged a ticket with support.

I'd be happy to copy a log file, if there is one. I can't video the game because it's already been played.

I don't understand this hostile response? I have nothing to gain from this.

syne7
12-30-2007, 12:46 PM
As you point out, could be my small understanding of the rules. My bishop was at D6. I'm asserting the black player could not castle because my bishop controlled the empty square B8.

FYI.

Transaxiomatic
12-30-2007, 12:53 PM
I think the castle was legal since the *king* does not pass over or onto b8, only c8 and d8 are affected. Thus a bishop attacking b8 doesn't hinder queenside castling. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but that would explain it.

Justin

syne7
12-30-2007, 01:11 PM
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Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the "NOOB" mistake, but hey everyone's gotta start somewhere.

Thanks,

chessumastahexa
01-01-2008, 08:10 AM
Hey cruel_knights,

I assume that English is not your first language and you haven't used the Internet before. Here are some guidelines to posting in a forum.

1. Be civil. Act as if you are speaking to the person face to face. Anonymity does not give you the freedom to be rude to other members.

2. Do not use all capital letters when typing in a forum. It's the equivalent of shouting and is also considered rude.

3. No one cares how experienced you are with Chessmaster. If a member wishes to say that he/she has had a problem with Chessmaster loading up Monopoly boards instead of a chess board, that is their prerogative. This is a public forum and people are well within their rights to air any concerns they might have.

4. You and ebutaljib may post often on this board, but quantity should not be confused with quality. Neither of you two have any special status in my eyes. You two are simply CMXI users just like the rest of us.

5. Don't act like you own the forum. It belongs to everyone here.

6. Take it easy.

Take care,

Reuben

CrUeL_KNIGHTS
01-01-2008, 03:35 PM
You have only wasted your time posting this. You have only 6 posts instead of filling that number with some more constructive threads or posts you are actually attacking me.

If I used Cap locks this is to stress the importants of whats being said!

secondly I did not try to show off with how much experience I have with chessmaster, we all know very little. What I was trying to say which you apparently have misunderstood is the experience shows how much you know about it and what kind of bugs there are init.

And since we know that better than most of the newbies who recently bought CM GM edition we are trying to guide them in the RIGHT direction, so that they do not have a wrong impression about the game such as castling bug, etc. I do apologies if I had been rude in anyway.
Your made up guide lines does not apply to me because I didn't use all CAPS as you have mentioned I used a mixture between small and big. Cap locks are not always considered as shouting and if you could understand the point you won't be insulted by it, a bit more Maturity is required from you!

Ebutaljib is the Moderator here, he's going to decide what's right and what's not. Not you giving advice to us that is desrespect.

Looks like you havent followed your own made up guide lines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

KHollister
01-01-2008, 05:44 PM
Actually, chessumastahexa was correct -- you are being rude, and no one likes that.

I've noticed that you've recently made several postings to this forum. Somehow, you think that earns you respect. You are very wrong.

Keep in mind that many of us here still remember you posting here a couple of months ago, bragging about pirating software:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4221052685/m/2101053906

So, many people here still view you as a thief, no matter what you say now.

CrUeL_KNIGHTS
01-01-2008, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KHollister:
Actually, chessumastahexa was correct -- you are being rude, and no one likes that.

I've noticed that you've recently made several postings to this forum. Somehow, you think that earns you respect. You are very wrong.

Keep in mind that many of us here still remember you posting here a couple of months ago, bragging about pirating software:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4221052685/m/2101053906

So, many people here still view you as a thief, no matter what you say now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No he is not correct there's no need to give him credit for something you don't believe yourself.
It can be seen very well by your intentions that your trying to attack me like the previous guy above by posting the link of me asking whether the pirate will work online or not. Yes because I just wanted to save money.

But then I did go and buy the original copy of Chessmaster GM edition thus that doesn't make me a theif.
What thief??? I only mentioned whether the pirate was going to work and I am being reasonable and truthful about it. I didn't go moaning for a serial key, nor did I actually pretend to be a tech support etc. I said directly and straight forward whether it will work with the pirate or not! And if that's what you call rude then that's your oppinion.

I don't care how people view me as. People think wrong! People are the biggest problematics in this civilization and you must thus wonder why this planet hasn't yet developed, WAR in Iraq conflict between people the US not accepting to sign global warming agreement with the UN because BUSH doesn't want to lose money from these oil factories. WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT?
And then comes the UFO laughing at us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If at the end of the day people are still ungreatful that's their problem. I know inside perfectly well that I am right for the circumstances. And you too probably know too, these several postings I have made to help people, why don't you come up with an idea to help these new comers HUH your a member here since 2004 go and show me how helpful you can be rather then just attacking me, I didn't go attacking others, that's too cheap and LIFELESS LOL.

Pr0metheus 1962
01-01-2008, 06:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrUeL_KNIGHTS:
I didn't go attacking others, that's too cheap and LIFELESS LOL. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You did attack others. I quote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrUeL_KNIGHTS:
NO, NO, NO IF you are SO DAMN SURE that the castling done by the computer was WRONG!
THEN take a video with your camera or mobile phone and show it to us.
I can gurantee you THAT NOONE ELSE IN THIS FORUM WHO IS EXPERIENCED WILL AGREE AND WILL NOW POST IN HERE THAT HE ALSO RECEIVES THE SAME BUG. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yelling (or posting in capitals) is rude and it's an attack. Using profanity is abusive. You did both. Syne7 may have been wrong but it was an honest mistake and it certainly never warranted your disrespectful and abusive response.

Personally I was surprised that syne7 responded calmly to your obnoxious tirade. I don't think I would have been able to do the same because when a fight goes into the gutter I'm more than willing to go there. Clearly syne7 is a gentleman - a rare breed on the internet. I wish there were more people like him on internet forums.

CrUeL_KNIGHTS
01-01-2008, 08:18 PM
I didn't attack him I protested against the accusation of the castling that it is buggy. That's why your wondering to yourself that he stood calmly because you misunderstood my remark against him.

But seriously your making me laugh now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif now because your a such a great manipulator I want to give you nobel prize that was impressive http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif. Just to drag support to your side, your saying that he is a gentleman and a rare breed. There are many people who wouldn't have protested this wasn't a rare case, I certainly wouldn't have protested because I can control my anger. I read this excellent book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Anger-Irritability-W...id=1199243541&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Anger-Irritability-William-Davies/dp/1854875957/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199243541&sr=8-3)

This is to control your anger and since your saying that "I don't think I would have been able to do the same because when a fight goes into the gutter I'm more than willing to go there" is a disadvantage for you, it shows how low esteem you are and it wrecks your personality http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif I hope this book would help you control your anger so that you won't go for a fight at the end of the day your the one who is going to feel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif about it.

And also I reccomend reading this bookhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Low-Self-esteem-Beha...id=1199243541&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Low-Self-esteem-Behavioural-Techniques/dp/1854877259/ref=pd_sim_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1199243541&sr=8-3)

So that you can overcome low esteem. I hope this is helpful for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
01-01-2008, 09:58 PM
Look, if all you were doing was protesting against his accusation all you needed to do was ask for proof. There was no need to SHOUT or use profanity.

By the way, accusing someone of being a manipulator and of having low self-esteem (interesting combo by the way - not sure if those two go together all that well) is what we call an ad-hominem attack. This is a tactic often used by people who are unschooled in the art of argument, or by cynics who are hoping their audience is either ignorant or not paying attention, and that their opponent is likely to react emotionally to the attack. Since I'm not going to rise to your bait and since I think people here are intelligent enough to see through your ruse I reckon you've chosen a bit of a sticky wicket.

The ad hominem attack is the tactic of the schoolyard bully and in using it you're behaving in a very poor manner that is not likely to win you sympathy from any reader.

Judging from your other posts I'm assuming I have something like thirty years on you, so I'm going to act on the belief that your disrespectful attitude comes from the influence of too much youth rather than from too much ignorance.

Now you can flail about in the gutter a bit more if you like and I may poke at you with my wit. I see no need to join you in the mire since you're singularly bad at the mud-slinging bit.

CrUeL_KNIGHTS
01-01-2008, 11:07 PM
Yeah I really am sorry for my overeaction I mean im still working on my anger and emotions http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif. Perhaps I overeacted my protest which made it look like an attack.

Interesting you mention ad-hominem I learnt a new word today, cheers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif where did you get that from, wickipedia http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I didn't want to insult you nor did I try to attack you, as you can see from the previous post I made, I said "hope this book would help you control your anger so that you won't go for a fight at the end of the day your the one who is going to feel about it". I was trying to actually help you and give you a little advice in a friendly manner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You should appreciate it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif instead of inflicting hostility towards me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Ofcourse people in here are intelligent no doubt about that, as a matter oh fact the players in these forums are averegly more intelligent than the players from other gaming forums. Because chess requires a lot of thinking process it differs completely from other games. Yes there's pool, snooker, soccer alot of tactical battle in it but it cannot match closer to chess. I don't think an unintelligent person will spend his time in a chess forum.
There are alot of posts I have made which are useful and helpful and most people have agreed with me such as the "Join" button greyed out during online play, etc.
Actually I am not acting in a poor manner I am constantly correcting my faults and learning everyday something new and appreciating as to whats being said by other people. I am even correcting myself against the attacks made from you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif I thank you for that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But not many people are like me certainly not you, judging by your vicious attacks on me LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

skates1949
01-02-2008, 01:35 PM
While I am new to this forum, I am not new to chess...yet the castling question threw me, too. I have to admit that I also would have felt chastised had I been the original poster.

But, the responses have certainly been entertaining http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Soulcatcher
01-03-2008, 03:13 PM
I can't comment on your game, but I can say that in over 637 years of playing various CM games it has never made an illegal move on me. It's the one thing it refuses to do. It will crush me, twist me around like a pretzel, humiliate me in front of company, pretend it's a patzer so I can win a game sometimes, all of those things. But it never cheats. (And it probably knows that if it did, I'd just restart the game and all its cheating would be for nothing.) (Then I would lose legally--again, lol).

I read a review of a new CM version once, and it pretty well summed it up for me:
"Should you get one of the newer versions? It depends on whether you want to be badly beaten, really badly beaten, or really REALLY badly beaten."

syne7
01-03-2008, 03:30 PM
Yes, it turns out that the error was mine. I'm new to Chess and did not understand the castling rules properly.

I mistakenly believed that if I controlled any of the squares between the King and Rook he castled with, I could prohibit him from castling.

It turns out that holds true only for the squares the king passes over.

Thanks to everyone for your help and patience. Now if I could just get online LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Forum-Hacker
01-13-2008, 08:45 AM
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lewiej
01-13-2008, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chessumastahexa:
Hey cruel_knights,

I assume that English is not your first language and you haven't used the Internet before. Here are some guidelines to posting in a forum.

1. Be civil. Act as if you are speaking to the person face to face. Anonymity does not give you the freedom to be rude to other members.

2. Do not use all capital letters when typing in a forum. It's the equivalent of shouting and is also considered rude.

3. No one cares how experienced you are with Chessmaster. If a member wishes to say that he/she has had a problem with Chessmaster loading up Monopoly boards instead of a chess board, that is their prerogative. This is a public forum and people are well within their rights to air any concerns they might have.

4. You and ebutaljib may post often on this board, but quantity should not be confused with quality. Neither of you two have any special status in my eyes. You two are simply CMXI users just like the rest of us.

5. Don't act like you own the forum. It belongs to everyone here.

6. Take it easy.

Take care,

Reuben </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Every point this gentleman made is valid CrUel_KNIGHTS. Absolutely valid.

Your response to Chessumastahexa was inappropriate, similar to many posts you have made on this forum, particularly those made when you were accused of being a thief (not theif).

Additionally, you said to Chessumastahexa:
"You have only wasted your time posting this. You have only 6 posts instead of filling that number with some more constructive threads or posts you are actually attacking me."

a) He did not wast his time in pointing out your rude and childish behavior.
b) Who are you to determine that his 6 posts are not constructive?
c) He did not attack you. He rightly pointed out all the flaws and inappropriate comments that you dared to make to a newbie.

You also said: "And since we know that better than most of the newbies who recently bought CM GM edition we are trying to guide them in the RIGHT direction, so that they do not have a wrong impression about the game such as castling bug, etc. I do apologies if I had been rude in anyway."

a) If you were trying to guide newbies, no one would know it from your response to syne7. It is obvious from his responses that you insulted him and hurt his feelings at best.
b) Your apology is shallow.

You also said: "Your made up guide lines does not apply to me because I didn't use all CAPS as you have mentioned I used a mixture between small and big. Cap locks are not always considered as shouting and if you could understand the point you won't be insulted by it, a bit more Maturity is required from you!"

a) Chesumastahexa did not make up anything, Anyone who has the experience you claim you do and/or has been on the internet for any amount of time knows that caps (all or some) are the equivalent of shouting.
b) The question of maturity is a moot point coming from you.

I suggest that you truly apologize to both mentioned above, without a long diatribe or invective, and vow not to reply to anyone in the manner used with syne7.

Tomski1981
01-13-2008, 11:47 AM
this is probably the only time i will agree with FH: nobody cares. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

fact is, he was a little rude.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif i think it's out of character. nothing wrong with pointing it out, but if the guy doesn't get it after a few explanations, then don't waste time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif who cares.. you won't convince him, and he won't convince you.

just let it be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

too many fights around here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif
wouldn't it be better if we all got along? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif