13.7 million copies sold

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COD: Black Ops sold 13.7 million copies since its launch in November, an impressive number that easily eclipses its predecessor, Modern Warfare 2.

Activision knows it has a winner, as well, and is planning Modern Warfare 3, an on-line version of the game and an "action adventure" COD, all before 2013.

I'm pretty shore that GRFS has been canceled indefinitely.
This depressing homepage is a living proof that Ubisoft left us Ghost Recon players to rot.
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[MeanMF]

So that puts the COD series at over 50 million units sold since the last GR game came out...

[xSFG_GHOSTSx]

I understand your frustration as a fan myself that you are angry against Ubisoft! I also played Ghost Recon since 2001.

But I will defer on Socom 4 because at least Sony and Zipper Interactive is more serious that Ubisoft ...

I always say one day Ghost Recon Ghost Recon ever! But the environment is no longer there because of Ubisoft!

[Soulid_Snake]

I think COD, is gonna have stiffer competition this year from Battlefield 3, which looks amazing, and if plays like any of it's previous installments, then it's on to a winner. The Battlefield games to have some tatical elements about them so it's worth looking into. As for Ghost Recon it's out, just that the stealth enabled technology is making it difficult to be seen on shelves.

[FORGOTTEN HER0]

Originally posted by Soulid_Snake:
I think COD, is gonna have stiffer competition this year from Battlefield 3, which looks amazing, and if plays like any of it's previous installments, then it's on to a winner. The Battlefield games to have some tatical elements about them so it's worth looking into. As for Ghost Recon it's out, just that the stealth enabled technology is making it difficult to be seen on shelves.
I can't see Battleifield 3 beating the next CoD. This is for the very reason you pointed out, the Battlefield games are a bit more tactical. The CoD games found there place gameplay wise, and that is with the 'twitch shooting' casual gameplay. The sales just keep on going up and I don't see that trend ending with the next game.

[XBGCAMEL]

COD sells because it is pick up and play, My 10 year old plays it. Pile of ****e ......PERKS....ffs

oooooh my bulets are harder

ooooooh I can run faster

GTF

GRAW is for the big boys which is why I love it, Ubi will come through, and I'm still confident it will rock.

[illicitmags]

You let your ten year old play COD? I thought it was R16,R18 etc...

I think that GRFS is going to be different from GRAW. They are coming in with new ideas and storyline and probably a new look multiplayer. We need to accept that GRAWs days are over and keep playing till theres noone left on it.

[Soulid_Snake]

Originally posted by H3RO91:
I can't see Battleifield 3 beating the next CoD. This is for the very reason you pointed out, the Battlefield games are a bit more tactical. The CoD games found there place gameplay wise, and that is with the 'twitch shooting' casual gameplay. The sales just keep on going up and I don't see that trend ending with the next game.

With the term winner, as a personal best, in my opinion, I still think BF3's quality will be better than COD. It's like you said with COD, the sales will keep going up, regardless of the games quality!

[AI BLUEFOX]

Originally posted by illicitmags:
You let your ten year old play COD? I thought it was R16,R18 etc...

I think that GRFS is going to be different from GRAW. They are coming in with new ideas and storyline and probably a new look multiplayer. We need to accept that GRAWs days are over and keep playing till theres noone left on it.

I don't let my 10 yr old play it, because the little fecker beats me on it. He beats me at FIFA too, because he doesn't play "proper" footy and exploits weaknesses in the mechanics.

At GR, though, I whip his ***. He has no map sense and bores easily.

[Kaiskune]

with the utmost respect to the developers at Infinity-ward because they make some very impressive games. due to Call of Duties huge following especally with the tide of underaged gamers that fill both Xbox live and the playstation network (but the underage player argument is for another time)... you could slap a "call of duty" sticker on the front of a 2d donkey racing game and its sales rate will still number in the millions simply because its a 'call of duty'

Battlefield games have always been the between-er to me, for those who want to 'rambo it' that function is available. but battlefield and in some aspects the bad company series in particular has a true meaning of team play and tactics with each soldier role reliant of others to operate at full potential.
using xbox lives party chat as an example an 8 man party operating in two 4 man fire teams is a very fearsome situation with good communication and co-ordination (especally when the other team comprises of bush wookies) and makes for interesting games if the opposition has players of a similar mind frame

CoD is very instinctual. its a run and gun game he who aims faster or has the bigger gun wins, it promotes selfish sportsmanship, "who can get the biggest killstreak first" a major example next to "look at me raping everyone duel wielding weapons that would break my arms firing them one handed"
I'll not say their is no tactics in cod because there is... (find the glitches first is a tactic... i think) but not on the scale needed on battlefield. be it pc or console, the battlefield series is today's tactical shooter bench mark.
if ubisoft got their head out of their asses they'd be wise to take notes on EA's success battlefield in the tactical shooter niche

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I play Black Ops (Hardcore, CTF and HQ) 'coz of the cool cats of OFC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Little bit too late have I realized that Battlefield games would have been more of my cup of tee.
So I most likely will go over once the third one arrives.

Might as well start looking for a replacement for the Reckoning Ghosts since the GRFS will most likely never see the light of day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[illicitmags]

Originally posted by Kaiskune:
you could slap a "call of duty" sticker on the front of a 2d donkey racing game

Dont bring Donkey Kong into that rubbish.

Its too good for a COD sticker!

[dragan00]

Battlefield 3 looks amazing and I think it will take out COD especially if they start pay to play. B3 looks amazing so far, as someone said if it plays anything like the video's look it's going to be an awesome game. As for Ghost I really hope they start doing something or communicate there plans.

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I'll bet my money on the Battlefield 3.

[betaw100]

i must agree if they dont pop out GRFS it the next 2 months then its done for and it will be there own falts so ig they want to make a profit if theu dont pump it out in april or may
or there done for

[BS PALADIN]

Originally posted by betaw100:
i must agree if they dont pop out GRFS it the next 2 months then its done for and it will be there own falts so ig they want to make a profit if theu dont pump it out in april or may
or there done for

GRFS isnt coming out in the next 2 months. And if they make a quality product then it will sell. Half Life 2 took 5 years to comeout after the original.

[FORGOTTEN HER0]

Originally posted by PALADIN_BS:
GRFS isnt coming out in the next 2 months. And if they make a quality product then it will sell. Half Life 2 took 5 years to comeout after the original.
The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim is in the same position. It is coming out 5 years after Oblivion did. However, there is one major difference between that game and GRFS. That is, Bethesda didn't make the mistake of announcing their game before having information to give.

When Ubi has more info to give about GRFS it will be like a re-announcement. It's nothing other than unfortunate for those of us who payed attention to the game after the first announcement.

I'm not saying that GRFS can't be a quality game after all of this, but it simply won't have as many fans that it would have had if it released on time.

[BS PALADIN]

You make a good point but I still think its possible to get all the fans back onboard and get alot more new fans interested. Add something new to the mix, something that hasn't been done before.

Like some form of co-op objective scenario editor. Sell it like design your battlefield for you fellow soldiers ( friends ). That would sell.

It could be very simple. Just add 10-15 different things ( modules ) you can add. Then people can add those things in any order to create a personalised mission. Even though the modules would be simple, the organisation of them could produce millions of possiblities. Think DNA.

[kalenath]

Good idea Paladin...

But there is a problem... That would require that Ubisoft actually give a **** about their fanbase or making a quality game.

All current evidence says that they don't.

[BS PALADIN]

I do think they care. But I also believe that alot has been lost and confused with the interactions between different developement houses and the publishers. GR is a prime example of a franchise losing its soul. Obviousily financial aspects have also played their part, but miscommunication, misintepretation of the franchises core values and perceived financial/market factors have led to the situation we are in now.

I do believe it can be corrected, but only if the people presently in charge of making the key decision can answer the following question correctly.

What is Ghost Recon?

Any in my opinion the E3 version of GRFS wasn't the answer. Whether the reworked version is or not, we will just have to wait and see.

[oDRMoORIGIN4L]

i think the delay in making the game available to the public has made a lot of graws original fans change over to the cod franchise and i also think that ubisoft will also notice a big drop in sales accordingly.

[jssport]

GR's fanbase is dying off of old age, the vast majority of the buying public has no idea of what GR was.

.. tactical ??? .. hmmmm

It depends on how you play anygame.

there was a lot of run/gun on GR and GRAW, I preferred "blind seige" which lent itself to a more tactical gameply, In COD, I prefer "hardcore search & destroy" which also promotes a more tactical approach, but the smaller map sizes limits the true tactical gameplay.


Ubi lost a ton of $$$ by not keeping up on this series, and their stock price shows mismanagement. I dont know if the GR series will ever recover from it.

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[eviljohnny666]

Originally posted by PALADIN_BS:
I do think they care. But I also believe that alot has been lost and confused with the interactions between different developement houses and the publishers. GR is a prime example of a franchise losing its soul. Obviousily financial aspects have also played their part, but miscommunication, misintepretation of the franchises core values and perceived financial/market factors have led to the situation we are in now.

I do believe it can be corrected, but only if the people presently in charge of making the key decision can answer the following question correctly.

What is Ghost Recon?

Any in my opinion the E3 version of GRFS wasn't the answer. Whether the reworked version is or not, we will just have to wait and see.

Indeed, unfortunately. I think they are really going overbroad with the whole "following the army technology" thing. Yeah Ghost Recon 2 (particularly Summit Strike) was pretty good even if it lacked some depth and fun of the original game, but while I liked Advanced Warfighter, it was a bit on the edge. It's been some time, but I think GRAW 2 was better. Anyway, I think the game lost a bit of the feel of the series. Missions got a bit more linear and there was too many city ones, for some reason hard to explain, it didn't feel like a Ghost Recon game all that much.

I missed being prone under trees and bushes, silently scoping the mountainside (or Jungle, Desert) for enemies, then opening my map and deciding what was the best course of action, having chosen what was the best way to distribute which kind of soldier in which of all three squads (on pc, I still played the game on xbox too) before that, and then having the satisfaction of a very effective takedown. Etc. there were so many ways why Ghost Recon was, and still is exciting to me so many years after I initially played it. So even if I had a bit of fun from the GRAW games (though only played the first twice and the second once), it lacked something to make its experience as good as it could've been and had something missing to make it feel like a true Ghost Recon game. Still, the multiplayer was quite good. When I watched the Future Soldier videos, I couldn't believe it. It didn't feel like Ghost Recon AT ALL. It felt like a mix of Splinter Cell and Rainbow Six. Where is the "squad battlefield combat"?

I lost my faith in Ubi anyway. Far Cry 2 was the last good thing they made, they scrapped a potentially good Splinter Cell game by redesigning it halfway through production and utterly destroyed the series. Now they plan on changing FS? HA! Look what they'll do again to cater to the masses, look how low they'll fall in order to try to sell as much, rather than make a quality product.

[RyuuTaka]

So because Ubisoft is not doing anything or even talking to us there is a huge rumor that the game is dead in the water. And Ubisoft needs to clarify that soon. because every day people see that online people will look the other way and forget about the game. And Ps you cant kill the game this far into the production, because you already sold preorders, and (hoping you know the law) if you do not supply what I paid for, I will be able to sue you. So please use your brain and start posting updates and release dates or your release will be as bad as a strait to DVD movie...

[Soulid_Snake]

RyuuTaka, thanks for that nice bit of information. I think pre-ordering, shouldn't be allowed until the game has actually been physically manufactured and confirmed. Look at Beyond Good & Evil 2 some sites let you preorder and it's future is still uncertain. Ubi's commonsense will never prevail!

[FORGOTTEN HER0]

Are game companies even involved in the pre-order deal? If I go to gamestop and preorder a game, then a week later I decide I don't want it, gamestop is the one who has to give me my money back.

I doubt the actual game company recieves that money until the game is actually released, thus it being in the stores hands to give you your money back.