Beta still on?

[xfamespearx]

Ive not heard anything regarding this and im sure ubi will let us know one way or the other but i would really like the beta to be live some time this year or whenever due to the simple fact that ALOT of people bought splinter cell conviction just for the beta access and then nothing happened so i hoppe ubi dont do let us down.

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by xfamespearx:
i would really like the beta to be live some time this year or whenever.
Q. I heard you were holding a beta on the game, when is it and how can I get on the beta?
A. There is currently no set date for the beta release, we will update you with more information as soon as we have it. You can read more information in the Beta Q&A

The site really needs updating though.
http://ghostrecon.uk.ubi.com/communitynews/?p=81

[Creuzfeldt]

"Ghost Recon » Welcome to the Ghost Recon Future Soldier website!
February 9th, 2010
11:43 pm
[...] We will be holding a beta test summer 2010, so stay tuned for that! In the meantime, you can view the Q&A here."

Can't wait!! LOL Oops!

[xfamespearx]

Right so shortly after i posted this dicussion i had a look on the net for any info i could find and after a while i got bored due to being taken to the same info that i had read months back. It wasnt until i was looking on youtube that i came across this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5QdFcP6HNw

If the link does not work then type this into the youtube search bar and wait for the advert/commercial to finish.

Ghost Recon: Future Soldier Demo - IGN Live E3 2010

It is a 9 minute video interview with Gabrielle Shrieger who is the associate producer for ghost recon future soldier.

At the end of the video she is asked a direct and simple question of when we can expect to get our hands on the game and she answers back directly spring 2011.
Since then ive seen more about the spring 2011 release date and also that it is not 100% that the beta will be available via the splinter cell conviction game or if it will be a live or closed beta.

However if this is true about a 2011 spring release then i cannot see ubisoft taking the beta access away from owners of splinter cell conviction.

[Kaiskune]

i think one of the issues is that ubishaft advertised the beta as exclusive to SC:conviction with the exception of the Beta 'dogtags' they were handing out E3 and ComicCon. now we are seeing sales companies offering the code as a pre-order bonus (i do believe Gamezone is offering for its pre-orders)

I too am seeing more and more signs that Future soldier is being released in spring with Blockbusters (1st feb), ASDA (1st feb), Morrisons (tba spring 2011) and GameStation (tba spring and asking to borrow the camo netting again like they do for COD releases) gearing up for its release.

so Ms-kleaneasy.... wheres the beta? or is ubishaft ready to admit it was a scam all along?

[MeanMF]

Information from E3 is out of date. E3 was in June - the most recent delay wasn't announced until November. February 2011 is out of the question - they've told their investors that the game will not be released before April 1.

If I had to guess, I'd say the most likely release windows are either Jan/Feb 2012, or Sep/Oct 2011. But that's pure speculation on my part.

[Creuzfeldt]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
Information from E3 is out of date. E3 was in June - the most recent delay wasn't announced until November. February 2011 is out of the question - they've told their investors that the game will not be released before April 1.

Aha April 1st how very apt!
Oh wait wasn't that the release date of SC:C?
(I'm jesting ok).

[xfamespearx]

Yes WOLFGANG.C i know exactly what you mean about it being a scam as regards the SCC. Me and about half my fiends on xboxlive had spoke about how SCC was nowhere as good as it had should/could have been and that maybe ubisoft (ubishaft) as you say lol, knew this and used the GRFS beta as a ploy to get people to buy the game. Also i fhtat was the case i can guarantee that it wouldnt stop people from buying GRFS upon release.

MeanMF please correct me if im wrong but i think you read my post wrong. February was used as a reference for the beta release. Not the actual game release however, march/april maybe the release date. April 1st? fools day but we all know what games companies are like lol.

Every game from now till the end of time will have speculation as to when it is released and people like ourselves will fill the forums with things like this.

[GuZZ33]

There might not be a beta, for all we know there might just be a free for all downloadable demo to try out?. GRFS will be done when it's done, it's the best way to look at the situation. One thing we can speculate is that the game will be out in the future, lol.

[xfamespearx]

True! Maybe the game will use active camo so we`ll never even see it on the shelves! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

Originally posted by Kaiskune:
i think one of the issues is that ubishaft advertised the beta as exclusive to SC:conviction with the exception of the Beta 'dogtags' they were handing out E3 and ComicCon. now we are seeing sales companies offering the code as a pre-order bonus (i do believe Gamezone is offering for its pre-orders)

I too am seeing more and more signs that Future soldier is being released in spring with Blockbusters (1st feb), ASDA (1st feb), Morrisons (tba spring 2011) and GameStation (tba spring and asking to borrow the camo netting again like they do for COD releases) gearing up for its release.

so Ms-kleaneasy.... wheres the beta? or is ubishaft ready to admit it was a scam all along?

I am aware of certain stores i.e. Asda etc reporting a specific release date. This issue was reported urgently and the retail teams were contacting stores to correct the error.

To clarify as I’ve said before the game is NOT due out this spring, contrary to any information you’ve seen elsewhere. The game release was pushed into the financial year of 2011/12 which would see a release anytime from April 2011 – March 2012 however I wouldn’t expect it in April.

The beta will come before the games release but as the release isn’t impending, nor have we confirmed a date there isn’t any information on the beta release.

We will however update you all as soon as that information is available.

So in short there is no scam, the release of the game was pushed back which directly affected the release of the beta.

[Kaiskune]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:I am aware of certain stores i.e. Asda etc reporting a specific release date. This issue was reported urgently and the retail teams were contacting stores to correct the error.

To clarify as I’ve said before the game is NOT due out this spring, contrary to any information you’ve seen elsewhere. The game release was pushed into the financial year of 2011/12 which would see a release anytime from April 2011 – March 2012 however I wouldn’t expect it in April.

The beta will come before the games release but as the release isn’t impending, nor have we confirmed a date there isn’t any information on the beta release.

We will however update you all as soon as that information is available.

So in short there is no scam, the release of the game was pushed back which directly affected the release of the beta.

ok then... different question
you cannot deny that the sales of the 3rd rate game Splintercell:conviction were greatly increased by the numbers of people purchasing the game simply for beta access.

Ubishaft advertised EXCLUSIVE access on the ghost recon front page though splintercell:conviction, Yet several stores include one you advertised on the GR front page if offering beta access with every pre-order for the xbox 360

as the 'liason' we have from ubisoft... Care to comment?

[ms-kleaneasy]

Originally posted by Kaiskune:
ok then... different question
you cannot deny that the sales of the 3rd rate game Splintercell:conviction were greatly increased by the numbers of people purchasing the game simply for beta access.

Ubishaft advertised EXCLUSIVE access on the ghost recon front page though splintercell:conviction, Yet several stores include one you advertised on the GR front page if offering beta access with every pre-order for the xbox 360

as the 'liason' we have from ubisoft... Care to comment?

We've gone over this conversation so many times now, at the time SC:C was released it was exclusive. Timed exclusives are quite common, do you have to like them? maybe not, does that mean there was a scam or laws broken? No.

[illicitmags]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaiskune:
ok then... different question
you cannot deny that the sales of the 3rd rate game Splintercell:conviction were greatly increased by the numbers of people purchasing the game simply for beta access.

Ubishaft advertised EXCLUSIVE access on the ghost recon front page though splintercell:conviction, Yet several stores include one you advertised on the GR front page if offering beta access with every pre-order for the xbox 360

as the 'liason' we have from ubisoft... Care to comment?

We've gone over this conversation so many times now, at the time SC:C was released it was exclusive. Timed exclusives are quite common, do you have to like them? maybe not, does that mean there was a scam or laws broken? No. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe no laws broken but the trust of many was broken. It was exclusive at the time of selling SCC? So that basically meant that I could brag to all my friends that I had exclusive access to the beta until they were able to pre-order GRFS? We didn't pay to have a timed exclusivity while others waited to pre-oder we paid to have exclusiveness to the beta. Unfortunately Ubi thinks otherwise and thats why nobody likes Ubi. They don't realise the only way they make money is how well they treat their fans.

[UHadItComing]

Man why is everything made by ubisoft delayed? Oh wait i know, its because ubisoft blows. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[FifaJay]

To be honest IMO,its bad business and ethics.
As mentioned "That bond" between Ubi and its loyal GR fanbase has been broken.

I like to direct the following to the mods here,can you clearify as to why to devs dont come on here,or interact with its fans base to help them with their titles?

What needs to be done to by Ubi to get them to
become more interacive with us and here on these official forums.?

Thank you.

[Dirtymurph]

Not going to happen. All you'll get as a response is something like "we regularly send them reports about thoughts on the forums". It would sound bad if they just said it was mostly a waste of time in their eyes. Ubi doesnt view forums as a source of great input etc like bigger more successful developers. I have no doubt that devs view the forums, why they dont interact is beyond me. Recently a dev working for Ubi posted that they were actually told not to communicate directly with gamers. Sooo there you go.

[Lenney1981]

They just have a different way of doing things. It's called advertising, or where I come from, prostitution...

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by Dirtymurph:
why they dont interact is beyond me.
Because they would have to take so much abuse from disgruntled fans. I remember over at ROCKY's ghostrecon.net website and the abuse and flak over advanced warfighter games was very harsh. If i'm not mistaken serellen? a game dev was threatened with severe malice from disgruntled nutjob gamers. Even i gave GRiN devs some flak over GRAW2 PC version, but i regret that personaly, the GRiN devs interacted with fans of ghost recon on the forums, and they took some severe flak. So it's not always a good idea for game devs to interact on official forums or any other forum.

[BS PALADIN]

I think direct interaction is frowned upoon because of legal issues. If you say stick feature X in the game and they do, then you potentially can sue them for copyright/infringement ( or whatever its called ).

[Dirtymurph]

Funny, Treyarch among MANY others does it without pulling the legal and waste of time cards. Its not a legal issue if they interact with us and ask for feedback, thats just normal. If you emailed them a detailed script for a game and they used it without consent then you might have something. We all know why they dont come here, no point in dancing around it.


GuZZ33, people doing such things could easily be suspended and taken out of the conversation.

[Kaiskune]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:We've gone over this conversation so many times now, at the time SC:C was released it was exclusive. Timed exclusives are quite common, do you have to like them? maybe not, does that mean there was a scam or laws broken? No.

what excuse MIGHT have been viable had the Beta been out by now. Is the Beta around? I wouldnt be challenging you over this issue if it was

Will those who purchased splinter-SCAM:conviction gain this mythical early access? well... i guess only the you or another mod can answer that but by the way you all keep 'p***yfooting' around this issue i seriously think not

Ubishaft went ahead anyway and endorsed the pre-order codes despite the obvious Customer dis-satisfaction it would cause, it only proves Ubishaft had no intention of living up to what they offered and people paid for...so much for 'timed exclusive'

[ms-kleaneasy]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dirtymurph:
why they dont interact is beyond me.
Because they would have to take so much abuse from disgruntled fans. I remember over at ROCKY's ghostrecon.net website and the abuse and flak over advanced warfighter games was very harsh. If i'm not mistaken serellen? a game dev was threatened with severe malice from disgruntled nutjob gamers. Even i gave GRiN devs some flak over GRAW2 PC version, but i regret that personaly, the GRiN devs interacted with fans of ghost recon on the forums, and they took some severe flak. So it's not always a good idea for game devs to interact on official forums or any other forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn’t like to confirm the exact reasons because frankly I don’t know them. As a matter of opinion though I would say this among other things has a lot to do with it.

The devs at one point did post on the official forums for many games, and as pointed out at GR.net, the trouble is some members (not all granted) refuse to enter into sensible discussion so they ended up taking a great deal of abuse which simply isn’t acceptable.
At the end of the day some people might not like the direction of any given game but being abusive to others about it isn’t on, and ultimately what starts to happen is the Devs are spending time fending off abuse when they really want to spend their time on the game.


Originally posted by Kaiskune:
Ubishaft went ahead anyway and endorsed the pre-order codes despite the obvious Customer dis-satisfaction it would cause, it only proves Ubishaft had no intention of living up to what they offered and people paid for...so much for 'timed exclusive'

Again a point that been discussed at length, while you’re entitled to your opinion it is just that an opinion. You’re making assumptions on what you think would have happened. Facts are the game was delayed (and rightly so), with that in mind releasing the beta would have been a mistake so it was held off.

[Kaiskune]

how can you claim the game being delayed was "rightly so"? you constantly refuse to give us a VALID reason for the delay!
if you actually gave the customers a reason other than the copy and pasted "we want to make this game the best it can be" BS or even just something new to chew on RELEVANT TO GRFS. people wouldnt be so p**sed and ubi's sales and shares wouldn't be dropping like pheasants in hunting season

as far as i can see Ubisoft as advertised this "timed exclusive" under the false promise of early access and had not even offered an apology let alone compensation for the issue

dont like what i say? PROVE ME WRONG

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by Kaiskune:
you constantly refuse to give us a VALID reason for the delay!
The reason is that the trailer and E3 demo got a collective "meh" from fans and the media alike. The game didn't even get a nomination for any of the annual "best of" awards at E3, and barely anybody wrote or talked about it other than the paid placements in the major gaming magazines. They were probably seeing the same things in internal testing and focus groups. The game would have flopped if they released it in that state - hopefully they're taking the time to rethink some of their decisions.

[Lenney1981]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaiskune:
you constantly refuse to give us a VALID reason for the delay!
The reason is that the trailer and E3 demo got a collective "meh" from fans and the media alike. The game didn't even get a nomination for any of the annual "best of" awards at E3, and barely anybody wrote or talked about it other than the paid placements in the major gaming magazines. They were probably seeing the same things in internal testing and focus groups. The game would have flopped if they released it in that state - hopefully they're taking the time to rethink some of their decisions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1

[UHadItComing]

Man this is a intense conversation, but anyway it seems as though after E3 they have kept everybody in the dark. Its almost as if ubisoft doesnt want to be criticized on an unfinished product. But the thing is they could use it to better the game, and most people wont care if in the early stages it isnt ghraphically the best it can be or if the gameplay has a few bugs because the thing is it can be fixed. but what do i know i dont make games.

[Kaiskune]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaiskune:
you constantly refuse to give us a VALID reason for the delay!
The reason is that the trailer and E3 demo got a collective "meh" from fans and the media alike. The game didn't even get a nomination for any of the annual "best of" awards at E3, and barely anybody wrote or talked about it other than the paid placements in the major gaming magazines. They were probably seeing the same things in internal testing and focus groups. The game would have flopped if they released it in that state - hopefully they're taking the time to rethink some of their decisions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

its pretty hard to get people talking about a game when there's nothing to talk about. what has Ubisoft offered with the hopes on intresting customers and keeping them talking?
2 live action videos with nothing to do with the game
a small number 'interviews' all repeating the same answers to the same questions
and a p**s poor attempt at plagiarizing a design by Gamesworkshop.
in short the only publicity Ubishaft is getting is negative.

and i would have thought a game would have to be released to earn a 'best of' award

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by Kaiskune:
i would have thought a game would have to be released to earn a 'best of' award
Not necessarily, Splinter Cell Conviction won best action-adventure game (winner) at E3 2009.

[Kaiskune]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaiskune:
i would have thought a game would have to be released to earn a 'best of' award
Not necessarily, Splinter Cell Conviction won best action-adventure game (winner) at E3 2009. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand corrected... though how that 3rd rate game got an award is beyond me

[Y00P3R]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaiskune:
i think one of the issues is that ubishaft advertised the beta as exclusive to SC:conviction with the exception of the Beta 'dogtags' they were handing out E3 and ComicCon. now we are seeing sales companies offering the code as a pre-order bonus (i do believe Gamezone is offering for its pre-orders)

I too am seeing more and more signs that Future soldier is being released in spring with Blockbusters (1st feb), ASDA (1st feb), Morrisons (tba spring 2011) and GameStation (tba spring and asking to borrow the camo netting again like they do for COD releases) gearing up for its release.

so Ms-kleaneasy.... wheres the beta? or is ubishaft ready to admit it was a scam all along?

I am aware of certain stores i.e. Asda etc reporting a specific release date. This issue was reported urgently and the retail teams were contacting stores to correct the error.

To clarify as I’ve said before the game is NOT due out this spring, contrary to any information you’ve seen elsewhere. The game release was pushed into the financial year of 2011/12 which would see a release anytime from April 2011 – March 2012 however I wouldn’t expect it in April.

The beta will come before the games release but as the release isn’t impending, nor have we confirmed a date there isn’t any information on the beta release.

We will however update you all as soon as that information is available.

So in short there is no scam, the release of the game was pushed back which directly affected the release of the beta. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>NO SCAM! Tell us when the beta is coming.

[R0CKY]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
I remember over at ROCKY's ghostrecon.net website and the abuse and flak over advanced warfighter games was very harsh. If i'm not mistaken serellen? a game dev was threatened with severe malice from disgruntled nutjob gamers.

LOL, you must be thinking of another forum, you are indeed mistaken. Serellan has always been a welcome poster at GR.net, as have all the Ghost Recon developers. There was a bit of a to-do between Bo (GRIN) and a member that has since been banned, but certainly there were never any threats or malice, that kind of nonsense is not entertained at all.

It's frustrating not to have the same kind of dev interaction that other franchises enjoy, but it's not like Ubisoft totally shuns fans, there have been examples of interaction, just not on the same scale.

[jssport]

There will be NO BETA.

A beta is where they pre-release something, gather feedback, then make changes to it.


This will a DEMO, they will release maybe 1 map for us to play to build buzz on the item they sell.

A BETA would imply they care what you think...

[GET-RUSHED]

Originally posted by jssport:
There will be NO BETA.

A beta is where they pre-release something, gather feedback, then make changes to it.


This will a DEMO, they will release maybe 1 map for us to play to build buzz on the item they sell.

A BETA would imply they care what you think...

Give this man a cookie. He is 100% correct! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"Beta testing phase, during which developers get feedback and put finishing touches on the game before official release."

[kalenath]

Yep, it is quite clear what Ubisoft cares about. Money.

Fans? Customer service? Story? Actual, for real 'care about quality' products? Don't make me LAUGH!

It's sad. They USED to be one of the most reputable game companies out there. Now they are a bad joke to most gamers.

[betaw100]

I SWARE TO GOD IF IT COMES OUT PAST JUNE 2011 IM GONNA CANSEL MY ORDER AND GET BLACK OPS
THAT MEANS U JUST LOST 60$

[Gypsy816]

Hi betaw! Please refrain from posting in all caps. It's considered yelling. Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[BalmungTaichou]

Yo betaw100 I already did that and I say it is not an option. That game mentioned is not worth the plastic it's data is written on. Nasekenai
Also, Blk Ops is most definitely not worth $60 its more like $15 now yep the same price of a map pack for a cod game.

[gamertam]

Wow! i haven't been on here in ages; this include lurking as well. Anyway, I did like Splinter Cell Conviction alot especially the Co-op mode. It not a bad game like most people think if they takes the time to appreciates.

Anyway, i still have the SCC collector's edition, so maybe Ubisoft can give out invites for the beta to gamers and players at their own choosing. If not, that's okay. All good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Yes, Ghost Recon: FS is on my must buy game list. I've played GR 1,2, Summit Strike, and Advance Warfighters 2.

Thanks for reading.