The big PC poll!

[KibOsh]

After seeing many different opinions about respawns, health recovery etc, I want to know how things are for this community.

Now because I feel that console players and PC gamers have a different feel I only intended this poll for the PC version. Console players can make their own. Copy pasting makes it easy if you think this one is ok.

Probably I didn't tackle everything but it's a start. I just checked if I can edit but that will reset the polls, so the mistakes will stay.

To each question I added "other" so when you choose this, let us know what the "other is". Name the question and your opinion.

Now this thread is here because I'm just curious about it. There are posts saying the community is falling appart etc... Maybe it gives a better view on things? I don't know but it hurts seeing what happend to Rainbow Six. My all time favorite game (Raven Shield that is).

[KibOsh]

After seeing many different opinions about respawns, health recovery etc, I want to know how things are for this community.

Now because I feel that console players and PC gamers have a different feel I only intended this poll for the PC version. Console players can make their own. Copy pasting makes it easy if you think this one is ok.

Probably I didn't tackle everything but it's a start. I just checked if I can edit but that will reset the polls, so the mistakes will stay.

To each question I added "other" so when you choose this, let us know what the "other is". Name the question and your opinion.

Now this thread is here because I'm just curious about it. There are posts saying the community is falling appart etc... Maybe it gives a better view on things? I don't know but it hurts seeing what happend to Rainbow Six. My all time favorite game (Raven Shield that is).

[Want2Snipe]

Before I answer, it begs the question, is this Poll only for ONLINE play or also for SP CAMPAIGN mode?

[silentstriderm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Want2Snipe:
Before I answer, it begs the question, is this Poll only for ONLINE play or also for SP CAMPAIGN mode? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I answered it for both.

I really like the customization aspect of Vegas 2, choosing how I like my character to look. I wouldn't be caught dead in Pink Camo, but if someone else wants to use it, then why not? It just makes them more of a target http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


I like the third person cover mechanic at times (mostly during campaign) but it can really be pretty stupid at time... leaning your full body out to take a shot? Stupid! If the cover system returns in a new Rainbow game, I hope that it is like the suggestions AntiPersonnel has in this thread 'Improving or replacing 3rd person cover, lean, etc.' (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=1991064316&m=7331039926)

Also, the XP system is pretty neat, but encourages people to cheat. I thought that it was a good change for Vegas 2 to just make aesthetic items unlocks for rank, making it even more true that rank doesn't equal skill... just how cool you can make your character look.

[KibOsh]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Want2Snipe:
Before I answer, it begs the question, is this Poll only for ONLINE play or also for SP CAMPAIGN mode? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Mostly for online.

[DrumFiend]

How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended.

[maleboob]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrumFiend:
How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[KibOsh]

I want Raven Shield also, but I'm afraid we'll never get it.

For that cover system from AntiPersonnel looks good. Except not automatic. We still need a button. It's also about learning to play smoothly with the controls. It may not be to easy.

[DreamMarine]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrumFiend:
How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[neilthecellist]

Your last poll question asks about Vegas 1.

What about Vegas 2?

[KibOsh]

There is no number after Vegas and because it's posted in the Vegas 2 forum I meant of course Vegas 2. I can't adjust it anymore because that would reset the poll results.

Also I see many already has choosen "other" for the respawns, but if you don't say what that "other" is, I only can see that as "no opinion". So when you vote "other", also say what you want.

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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[RLCSeMPeRFi]

Nice poll. Unfortunately UBI will take the results and do the exact opposite in the next game. These french devs have a "better than you" attitude and you only need to look up goliath's posts to see it.

[SCE_Soultear]

There is a bug in the voting system. I voted against xp, bring lean back and voted against weapons being locked from the beginning. They all say 0 still. WTH!

[neilthecellist]

Look at the text in the poll option (e.g. "You get wounded and start limping" and then look at the yellow ABOVE the text)

[OGC_TOMCAT]

How many respawns? - to be chosen
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.
Xp is nice to unlock weapons and improve rank but it should also take in the amount of hours played. Ill explain: There should be some compensation in xp for skilled people who play few hours, its too easy to gain xp by just playing hour after hour. For example I'm at nr.20 or so in attack and defend (from a list of 4400 people) but I only just made warrant officer...

[abnegnejs]

LOL the run 'n' gunners are afraid to admit it.

[twadesayswhat]

either that or we scred all the run a nd gunners away http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[abnegnejs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twadesayswhat:
either that or we scred all the run a nd gunners away http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hopefully

[KibOsh]

I think the real run 'n gunners already moved back to COD4. That's their game. Or they can be found on consoles? I don't know of course and it's hard to tell and this forum being mixed doesn't help either.

But I want to believe that beyond the PC gamers anyway, the majority wants Rainbow Six to stay a tactical shooter instead of what it is now. Time will tell when we check the results of the poll.

[SAS-SGT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrumFiend:
How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i totally agree with you, i love the old rainbow games and how tactics were a major part of the game

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[snoopyau]

The option to choose an amount respawn
Is not working on the POLL

I choose it and its not showing on the results

[KibOsh]

Are you sure?

The yellow line is above the text. Not below it...

[neilthecellist]

Apparently no one here is smart enough to interpret a bar graph... Take a statistics class, you guys. &gt;__&gt;

[KibOsh]

48 votes untill now.

I will wait a complete week after the last vote has been done.

[rogue_hart]

I chose fast but tactical but what i really want is fast and very tactical gameplay.

Vegas with 3rd person cover is very slow and would be really boring if it wasn't for the music.

By tactical I mean choice. What is so great about many games is the ability to be creative. The first person shooter market lacks in player creativity. This was one of the main reasons I like the original 3 rainbows so much.

[ShatteredDream]

Health System:

I voted for Other.

I would like to see a 100 HP system regeneration hybrid. That idea is too bold for current devs though, since they are making more and more games based on the intelligence of an 8 year old.

The system goes as follows. If you get hit in an area that is not protected by body armor it takes away from the 100 HP base. Headshots are automatic kills, 100 HP hit. Arms and legs, take off certain percentages, also gunshots to the openings in the armor will take away HP. If you get hit in the chest while wearing armor the health goes down 25% per shot , you then have to wait to slowly regenerate health. Since you didn't actually get shot. You are, more or less, stunned. In that case regenaration makes sense. However on the 4th shot to the armor, you fall and you are downed with 10 HP left. If an enemy forgets about you and thinks you are dead then you can get back up and fight. Or if they know you are not dead, they can perform the coup de grace.

Well thats my view on what a good HP system should be and I'm going to school for game design , so if these idiots at Ubi can't fix this game or at least make a decent one in the future. At least you peeps can rest assured that once I get in a position to lead a team to make a game. I won't make the silly mistakes that UBI makes catering to 8-12 year olds.

[KibOsh]

Hopefully I'm still gaming then,

But I like your HP system

Just as a reminder... 53 on thuesday

[neilthecellist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShatteredDream:
I would like to see a 100 HP system regeneration hybrid *snip*
The system goes as follows. If you get hit in an area that is not protected by body armor it takes away from the 100 HP base. Headshots are automatic kills, 100 HP hit. Arms and legs, take off certain percentages, also gunshots to the openings in the armor will take away HP.*snip* </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll bet you someone is going to say "That's too much to code!" or "That will cause a ton of lag!"

Before someone says that, lemme pre-counter by saying: "That's bull."

Why?

Look at SWAT 4.
Look at SWAT 3.
Look at BioShock.
Look at GRAW 2 (PC).
Look at GRAW 1 (PC).

[DrumFiend]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShatteredDream:
The system goes as follows. If you get hit in an area that is not protected by body armor it takes away from the 100 HP base. Headshots are automatic kills, 100 HP hit. Arms and legs, take off certain percentages, also gunshots to the openings in the armor will take away HP. If you get hit in the chest while wearing armor the health goes down 25% per shot , you then have to wait to slowly regenerate health. Since you didn't actually get shot. You are, more or less, stunned. In that case regenaration makes sense. However on the 4th shot to the armor, you fall and you are downed with 10 HP left. If an enemy forgets about you and thinks you are dead then you can get back up and fight. Or if they know you are not dead, they can perform the coup de grace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice. One of the best ideas I've seen for the health situation IMO. Someone must be talented enough to code that right?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShatteredDream:
At least you peeps can rest assured that once I get in a position to lead a team to make a game. I won't make the silly mistakes that UBI makes catering to 8-12 year olds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KibOsh]

Just a reminder: 60 votes on Friday 20 jun

[smiler_16]

I hope they will sort out the way you get weapons and health

so firstly
You will start with so many weapons and have to find more if you want more!!

and secondly
You should start with full health AND full Armour (if your character is wearing armour of course)
and if you find a health pack then you should have to wait 15 seconds before the character has finished using the medkit/health pack (which would make you think - shall i risk being seen by the enemy and lose all of the health that I have just collected - or shall i try to kill the enemy first and then use the medkit/health pack)

[KibOsh]

Euh, your kidding right? Healthpacks? Don't give them idea's...

PS. 68 votes on Sun 22 Jun

[AntiPersonnel]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The system goes as follows. If you get hit in an area that is not protected by body armor it takes away from the 100 HP base. Headshots are automatic kills, 100 HP hit. Arms and legs, take off certain percentages, also gunshots to the openings in the armor will take away HP. If you get hit in the chest while wearing armor the health goes down 25% per shot , you then have to wait to slowly regenerate health. Since you didn't actually get shot. You are, more or less, stunned. In that case regenaration makes sense. However on the 4th shot to the armor, you fall and you are downed with 10 HP left. If an enemy forgets about you and thinks you are dead then you can get back up and fight. Or if they know you are not dead, they can perform the coup de grace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think this is initially an interesting idea.

but you also have to take into consideration the type of ammo you are being shot with.

i am no expert in ballistics or penetration but i think a 7.62 would tear through kevlar and kill the enemy with 1 bullet to the chest.

unless of course you consider adding SAPI (plates) to the vest, then you should be able to absorb a couple high powered rifle rounds and your regen health would make sense (but i dont think you should recover the full amount of your health pre-shot, just recover "most" of the health you had prior to the shot)

but after 2 or 3 rifle rounds, the SAPI is compromised and no longer will protect you. and of course the "regen" hit box is only as large as the SAPI plate itself (which is not that big, just enough to cover your vital "center mass" area)

if you were hit in the lower abdomen or through the spine, that should be a 1 hit kill, or knock off 90% of your health, something like that.

and if we are going to introduce realistic body armor, we need to have a realistic effect of weight vs. mobility. the armor vs. mobility in vegas is not extreme enough to warrant using it (its nearly useless, especially when you can absorb multiple 7.62 shots with a tank top)

if you wear no armor you should pretty much be killed with 1 or 2 bullets no matter what. but then again you would have maximum speed and agility.

and then theres a light armor class where you could absorb a couple 9mm subgun shots, but be killed by 1 rifle round. you would have SAS-like mobility

medium armor class will allow you to absorb a 5.56 to the chest with regen. but you are running at a noticeably slower pace.

heavy armor will allow you to absorb 2 7.62s to the chest, but you would have a pretty hindered running speed

[KibOsh]

Just a reminder 73 On thuesday 24 Jun

[EddieDeath]

Would be nice if you could have added something to do with the AI / AI spawning. i.e.

How much should Ubi devote to AI development from the game budget?

0.000001%
Or some substantial amount enough to pay a c++ guru to actually do the game justice...

[KibOsh]

Lol, well I didn't because there is no discussion about the AI in this forum. Everyone knows the AI ***** in Vegas2

The Poll is about the things that seemed to devite the community.

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[neilthecellist]

Yeah, I once had an experience many experiences with the AI in Vegas 2 where I'll send my team out to fight a bunch of tangos (ASSAULT mode, NOT infiltrate) and they just walk PAST the tangos.

And then they crouch. And then they turn around and look at the tangos. Then they turn and look at me. And then they say "Tango spotted" but by that time, the tangos are blasting away at Jung. A second later, Jung is down and Michael is all like "YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING!"

Uh, no, YOU have to do something, ubisoft.

[kost1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DrumFiend:
How many respawns? - 0
How should the respawns work? - They shouldn't
How do you want the health recovery? - No health recovery what so ever and You get wounded and start limping
How do you want to take cover? - Peeking around just like in Raven Shield
What is your gaming style? - Fast and slow depending on the situation, but always tactical.

Basically I want Raven Shield II on a new engine. Updated graphics and physics with old style fluid door opening and fluid movement/ posture. The XP system blows but custom character is ok I guess, still undecided with that one. Oh, and SPAWN TANGOS AT BEGINNING OF ROUND so we can use flash and frags for what they are intended. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Amen. Fix this already please :-S ... Is there a way to get the respawns to 0 with Vegas 2 story mode?

[Lethal1940]

If you check the date of the last post before yours, you will see that nothing has been done in well over a year.

Ubisoft abandoned this game and the gaming community long ago.

Nothing will be fixed!