video card question

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will the game run on a 64mb geforce4 mx420 card

i read that this is actually a souped-up geforce 2 card

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will the game run on a 64mb geforce4 mx420 card

i read that this is actually a souped-up geforce 2 card

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how do you get sig to work right

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Message Edited on 09/08/0306:47PM by u.ca

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yes i got it, seems html works but the img code doesn't


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Message Edited on 09/08/0306:55PM by u.ca

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o the grafs would be a problem whit that card you just have to lower the texture detail al itle and the special effects should be lowwerd a bit cause it could be a little frame busting but i could be wrong and you could maybe run it higher.

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so we have 1 that thinks it WILL run on my card...anyone else

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you might have screen lag, sorry bro but i don't think that card has enough power to handle the game.

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UC.A. Dude. You have raised a good question. I used to have a Gf4 Mx card and yes it is really a only a Gf 2 with slightly higher clock speeds and a few extra features that were not "unlocked" in the original release of the Gf 2 chips. If you are looking forward to playing Far Cry, I would seriously suggest upgrading your graphics hardware.

Despite what the developers are saying, about the game running well on a Gf4, by the sheer volume of texturing and the size of the environments, FC will be a game that requires some serious power. I would say that a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 or Radeon 8500 would be a minimum. If you have seen the trailers and screenies, you will notice the nice shadowing and sharp polybump mapping (the shinny surfaces on textures). You need a card that handles vertex shading or you wont see those features when you play the game. The gf4 mx does NOT do Vertex Shading.

Depending on where you are from, graphics cards range in price. You should be able to pick up a Geforce 4 ti or eveon something with more power like a geforce fx or Radeon 9700 etc fairly cheaply. However, remember that other hardware specs such as cpu and ram do come into the equation as well. Good luck.


-SaR

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I just purchased a Radeon 9600 Pro, and I'm not sure if it has shaders or not? Would any of you happen to know?

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Yes..it does vertex shading. It also includes direct x9. You will see ATI's hyper z/smoothvision technology working overtime if you crank up the Anti-Aliasing etc. But all in all it will certainly play the game well for you.

Good Luck

-SR

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thank you p00 p00 doll - helped a lot

now i have another question regarding a video card upgrade...which card would run farcry better...a ti4200 or aa fx5200, since it is a dx9 game, and the ti cards are only dx8. i know that the fx5200 is slower but will it run the game better since it has dx9 support...which cards do you recommend, i'm looking for the cheapest possible but will also run the game without screen lag

(also, how do the fx ultra and non-ultra compare with the ti cards and the lower-end radeons like the 9500 for example. you know what would be nice is a list of all the cards in order of how you think they would run farcry, from fastest to slowest. note that i said 'how they would run farcry'. i can go to any hardware website and get video card benchmarks to see which card is faster, but i am only interested in how they run this game)

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Message Edited on 09/10/0305:30PM by u.ca

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i GOT IT FIXED MAN GET A NVIDIA FX5200 THAT IS SO CHEAP and its as fasta GF4 Ti 4400 you can get them for 79dollar and cheaper i even spotted one for 54euro in holland so get that card its realy worth the money

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Hi Well, Im led to believe that there were two types of Ti 4200 chips released by Nvidia. The more recent ones have a higher clock speed.

I review all the cards and specs before we purchase them for the studio here and I have no doubt that the Ti 4200 will yield higher frame rates than an Fx 5200 or even the Fx 5600. Although the Ti 4200 is only Dx 8 complient, unlike the fx cards that render Dx9, there are only a few new features of Dx9 that developers are currently implementing into games....Far Cry for example. (The polybump technology which is one of the main boasts of FC, is available in Dx8...you dont need Dx9 to see the nice shiny textures, and shadowing and lighting).

Furthermore, remember that the new features of Dx 9, (and I'm not sure at this point how many of which FC includes), require quite alot of extra power to generate. The result is that cards like the Fx 5200, 5600 and also the lower end Radeons like the 9200 and 9500 will require a drop to perhaps 800x600 or 1024x768 in big firefights, just keep the frames up. So, whatever you do, don't get a card just because it does Dx9, because between now and when the price of the high end cards ie FX 5900/Radeon 9800 come down to a reasonable price, you wont be missing out on much of what direct x9 has to offer...all you will get is a drop in frame rates. So, in short, forget the lower end Dx 9 cards. If you cant affort an Fx 5800 or 5900 or at least a Radeon 9700, get a Geforce 4 Ti 4200.

Since I believe that Far Cry will be a big hit, it would be good to see how the cards battle it out for the perfect far cry frame rate. However, this is not really possible until the game or at least the demo is released. There can be alot of speculation about how a game will perform, yet because the cryengine is an altogether new engine (ie its completely produced inhouse,) unlike games like Sof2 or Jedi Knight which use the Q3 Arena engine. Therefore it is very hard to judge its performance at this pont. Usually games that include large open environments require more power because of the polygon splacing, so I would say that FC will be quite graphically intensive.

Nevertheless, the Ti card will run it quite well for you Im sure. Maybe wait till the demo comes out. Play that a little (or alot--I know I will be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and then you will have more of an idea of what you can explect from your card http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good Luck dude!

-SR

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jasper_vermaas wrote:
- i GOT IT FIXED MAN GET A NVIDIA FX5200 THAT IS SO
- CHEAP and its as fast as a GF4 Ti 4400

but you see the problem is how these cards will perform on a directx9 game with huge environments like farcry. i don't care how fast they are on the games that are out now because they are directx8. when the directx9 games come out everyone will see that these older cards simply won't cut it. as for the fx5200 i've been reading about it and they say it has directx9 support BUT the card itself is so slow that it could hardly run directx9 games. it might be as fast as a ti4200 for the games that are out now, but in farcry the nvidia ti's will probably outperform the fx5200. the only option i see from nvidia as a dx9 solution is a 5600 ultra or higher (5800, 5900) but they are too expensive for me. i'm probably going to go for a cheaper radeon card like a 9500 pro, from what i've been reading, most of the radeon cards have dx9 support and the 9500 pro is a fast card for its price. i think it outperforms all of the ti's and also the 5200 and maybe 5600 when it comes to directx9 games

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thank you again p00p00doll for your insightful post...i wrote that last post replying to jasper_vermass before i realized you had replied, so it wasn't meant for you

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do you really think a ti4200 will do better on farcry than a 9500 pro...and which would do better a 9600pro or an fx5600 ultra

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well nvm, i just checked prices on the 9500 pro i doubt i will be able to afford that card, i guess ti4200 is the only option

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U.ca. What country are you from dude? There are international distributors who may give you a much reduced price in comparison to what you could afford locally. My bet is that the Ti 4200 is the way to go. I believe the best bet (perhaps slightly faster and dx9 compliant)and according to price and performance would be the Radeon 9600 Pro. If you can get this one

http://www.hightech.com.hk/html/9600pro.htm

they are a very good card. I have one working in a new system I build last week. It has roughly maintains about the same frame rates as the Ti 4200 and it is only about $40 bucks more than the Ti here in Australia. About $275 Australian dollar = $150 US. This might be an option for you. Good Luck.

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united states

wow look what i found...a 9600pro for only $137

http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_additem.asp?idproduct=1210

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Message Edited on 09/11/0301:10PM by u.ca

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I have a GeForce4 MX 420 64MB SDRAM PCI card...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Yeah its sad I know, but when u dont got money u dont got money.....Anyway it runs all games Ive tried with it real good, including Raven Shield. What I wanna know is if any1 has an FX 5200 AGP card. If any1 does, let me know if its worth buying because I hear alot of conflicting things about it. Some people say its good, others say its just a MX card packaged as a FX. Its fairly new, so I would have to assume its better-much better than my MX card I have now. I really wanna upgrade, but dont have $370 for a 9800 PRO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif is it worth getting a FX 5200? or maybe someone hasa suggestion for another card, like a Ti4000 series card? I heard the Ti cards are better than FX, is this true? Anyway, thx for any info /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Fx 5200= yucky...stay away.

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ST-Omega wrote:
- I have a GeForce4 MX 420 64MB SDRAM PCI
- card...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
- Yeah its sad I know, but when u dont got money u
- dont got money.....Anyway it runs all games Ive
- tried with it real good, including Raven Shield.
- What I wanna know is if any1 has an FX 5200 AGP
- card. If any1 does, let me know if its worth buying
- because I hear alot of conflicting things about it.
- Some people say its good, others say its just a MX
- card packaged as a FX. Its fairly new, so I would
- have to assume its better-much better than my MX
- card I have now. I really wanna upgrade, but dont
- have $370 for a 9800 PRO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif is it worth getting a FX 5200?
- or maybe someone hasa suggestion for another card,
- like a Ti4000 series card? I heard the Ti cards are
- better than FX, is this true? Anyway, thx for any
- info /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
-


IMPOSIBLE A PCI CART IN THE GF4 CLASS NEVER HEARD OF THAT you mean AGP cart but oke

1 TIP DO NOT GET THE FX5800 THIS WILL MAKE SO MUTCH NOISE THAT YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR SOUND ON THE MAX TO GET OVER THE NOISE OF THE GPU nickname of the fx5800 isnt dustbuster for nothing it can make your PC take off


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jasper_vermaas wrote:
IMPOSIBLE A PCI CART IN THE GF4 CLASS NEVER HEARD OF
- THAT you mean AGP cart but oke
-
- 1 TIP DO NOT GET THE FX5800 THIS WILL MAKE SO MUTCH
- NOISE THAT YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR SOUND ON THE MAX TO
- GET OVER THE NOISE OF THE GPU nickname of the fx5800
- isnt dustbuster for nothing it can make your PC take
- off


Yes it's PCI, NOT AGP. And I was talking about the FX5200, not 5800.

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yes there are geforce4 pci cards...but anyway i have the mx420 and i'm telling you don't waste your money on a 5200, i don't believe its a significant upgrade from the card you have now. it will not make much difference, it is a crap card, go to www.tomshardware.com (http://www.tomshardware.com) and click the graphics card link on the left and find an article on it, it will have some benchmark scores and some info showing how much it sucks. its not an upgrade, trust me. stay away from the fx cards. the 5200 sucks, the 5800 is too loud, the 5900 is too expensive. go for the 9600 pro you can find one on www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com) for under 140 and you will see a huge performance difference thats the card i'm going to get soon as i get the money

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