Who else thinks it is not Heroes? :( [Archive]

daous

03-30-2005, 04:02 PM

I think they look alright, although they look WAY to much like Warcraft III...
2D definitely looks better for HOMM series, but after waiting for so many years for a new Heroes, I don't care much about the change in graphics. If the gameplay is still as great as HOMM III, but super-improved... well, I'm one happy fellow! ^_^

P.S. Age of Empires III has more people working on the project, which has been in development longer than Heroes IV... I must admit though, putting Heroes V with AoE III engine will make it look **** nice (esp. the towns and sceneries). Alas, I guess we'll have to wait until Heroes VI for that...

tydral

03-30-2005, 04:10 PM

It would be a mistake keeping a 2D engine in any game these days. The majority of people want 3D. I'm unsure myself about how these screenshots are going to feel if they're in game shots. I also however will over look them and give V a try when it's released.

GrumpyOldWizard

03-30-2005, 04:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PlatoonSgtElias:
Me thinks that these pictures are awful and not at all like Heroes should be like.
2D was the best... but seriously if you are gonna make it 3D look at Age Of Empires III engine and then come back... we can wait. Don't ruin Heroes of Might and Magic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the graphics look nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Besides to be honest games these days have to have to go 3D to make it.

However,it is gameplay that makes HOMM IMHO. Turned based fantasy strategy game with a variety of towns/creatures/heroes/artifacts/power ups and an editor that allows users to make maps. User made maps are a big big reason for the success of the series. Here's hoping for a versatile and well documented editor.

GOW

shinybeast

03-30-2005, 04:22 PM

Aloha, all.

First impression of the graphics: pretty, but looks a lot like Etherlords. Of particular concern, for those familiar with that game, the tactical screen has very few units (almost as bad as Disciples, where nothing moves). I actually really liked the tactical screen in HOMMIV. Anyway, not much to do at this point but wait and see. All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

In the Tremendum.....

Shinybeast

PlatoonSgtElias

03-30-2005, 04:35 PM

Hmm whata? Has to be 3D to make it?
Look at Cossacks 2! Will come great at 2D. I agree that Homm 5 should be 3D but this engine is not for Homm... I think u guys should have done a survey of some sort before starting to make the game. This engine me thinks is not gonna sell good at 2006. No way in hell

Zimmymasaki

03-30-2005, 04:48 PM

Well i have to say Nival have generally made good games (lets forget rage of mages) and ubisoft generally have incredibly high standards for games so thats encouraging. However the main concern at this point is this line ''a wealth of innovations such as a a highly immersive scenario, a variety of appealing factions, modern 3D graphics, a revolutionary tactical combat system ''The combat system part scares me, heroes has to be a turn based game, if not it will just be warcraft. I just hope the actual game view is zoomed out quite a bit and from the same angle as all the other games. If so then the graphics would work perfectly.
I've noticed lots of things from previous heroes games and i just hope they arent just to keep the heroes name. To point them out;
1st screenshot obviously the hero on a horse and the building in the background center looks like the guardhouse from heroes 3 or a castle building. In the background there is also a mine, i think.
2nd screenshot theres a nightmare identical to the one in heroes 4 really and it could be that heroes can once again take part in battles (YAY!)
3rd obviously the angel
4th there is a farie(sp) ring =D and quite possibly an imp, which could mean units can like in heroes 4 walk around with no heroes then again it could just be some neutral imps.
Even though the screenshots make it look more like spellforce or warcraft im hopeful it will still be heroes.
OOOOO just noticed the unit on the left in the second screenshot is the same as the one in the third its just one is glowing perhaps from being hit.

pop_pip

03-30-2005, 05:02 PM

Although the graphics aren't quite up to par with the likes of Age of Empires 3, that's not to say I'm completely disappointed.

Heroes has always been about the gameplay, and considering that those screenies look like they simply zoomed in the camera a bit too much, my hopes are still up.

There's also still like a minimum of a whole year until release, so I'm confident that this game can still live up to our lofty expectations in the graphics compartment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Genoism

03-30-2005, 05:05 PM

actually graphics ARENT that hard to develop to make as amazingly real as age of empires, what takes time is coding it properly so that your computer won't die on you when you try to play it.

So in fact HOMM COULD look just as good as age of empires had they decided they would make it look as good as that from the onset, but i suppose now its too late for the changes and the only way they could really make it to the top with this is through great game-play

Aseved

03-30-2005, 05:10 PM

Me Not.

In fact, the graphs seem to me the nearest to Heroes style that could be done in 3D, wich is quite good. If the gameplay is well done and respects the original, it would be a great Heroes game.

Dragon Angel Aseved

ShPhoenix

03-30-2005, 05:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>The combat system part scares me, heroes has to be a turn based game, if not it will just be warcraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say they are not making it into an RTS, but quite possibily expanding the size or scale of the battles so that instead of having a single elf on the battlefield with some number above them, you may actually have say 50 elves on the field to represent them. This could just help make things more epic.

The term revolutionary is probably more of a marketting spin than anything else.

ShPhoenix

ToHeroes

03-30-2005, 05:54 PM

I see the gameplay being the same, as promised by Fabrice. The graphics may be 3D, but still have the same feel to me. Maybe a little cartoonish haha, but I'm loving it already.

SirRyder

03-30-2005, 06:00 PM

They graphics look good but if that is actual ingame screenshots then gameplay looks very suspect to me. Not condifent at all.

Marelt

03-30-2005, 06:10 PM

I have the feeling that these screenshots are enlargements of certain scenes. Maybe there will be an option to zoom in or out. It would indeed not be very practical if you can only see three movement squares at the time while your hero is traveling overland.

And yes, it is a different developer and it's 3D for the first time. Of course, it's going to look different, but that doesn't mean that it will automatically be worse. Heroes 3 and 4 were both good games, but neither was perfect. There is always room for improvement, innovation and change.

PaladinOfMM

03-30-2005, 06:36 PM

I think this could be a much better Heroes game than the previous 4 installment.
Come on guys, this is a new century, there are cutting edge technologies to make games nice. Why you guys like of Warcracft 3?
Weren't Warcraft 1 & 2 2D last time? Now Warcraft 3 use 3D technologies to make the game nice isn't it?
Heroes 1-4 were 2D, 4 has a bit 3D to it but that was isometric. Heroes 5 is more towards 3D than 2D. Give it a chance and maybe you will change your mind and think Heroes 5 is the best!

alohaman636

03-30-2005, 07:05 PM

personally, i dont' like these graphics for heroes V one bit. i am doubtful. and confused! There were two screen shots- one of a phoenix, and one of a castle before. and i LOVED them sooooo much! They were PERFECT! they were nothing like this. They were very similar to heroes 4, yet still updated. Here's the link so yall can look at them and see what the graphics should really look like! http://www.mmportals.com/heroes5.html

Salventus

03-30-2005, 07:10 PM

For me what's most important is the gameplay and its rules. Yes, I also care about graphics and I don't make much of what I saw right now to tell ya all the truth. But I do like the Hero or whatever that warrior on the horse is.

PaladinOfMM

03-30-2005, 07:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by alohaman636:
personally, i dont' like these graphics for heroes V one bit. i am doubtful. and confused! There were two screen shots- one of a phoenix, and one of a castle before. and i _LOVED_ them sooooo much! They were PERFECT! they were nothing like this. They were very similar to heroes 4, yet still updated. Here's the link so yall can look at them and see what the graphics should really look like! http://www.mmportals.com/heroes5.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup I know what you mean and how you feel. When I first saw those 2 images last year or was it 2003(?), I thought that should how Heroes 5 looks like. But after playing several games with cutting 3D technologies, I think for once, Heroes series should have a change, a change to become better than the previous games. I too like the art concept of that phoenix and Necropolis.
I still remember I did a so-call evolution of Phoenix and posted it as POTD in Celestial Heavens. I wonder if it is still there...

alohaman636

03-30-2005, 07:16 PM

Well if a 3d update is necessary, they just can't do it like this. Age of Empires 3 has AMAZING graphics that would work perfectly for Heroes V. I mean, how can these people make the graphics look like this when other's are doing SO MUCH BETTER! here's another link so u guys can see http://www.ensemblestudios.com/Age3SS2.html

PaladinOfMM

03-30-2005, 07:27 PM

Well after I saw that AoE3 screenshot, I say that is one nice 3D strategy game graphic design.
Well AoE3's 3D graphic is somehow more or less like Heroes 4. But their 3D has to be different in a way that people will know this is turn-based strategy and that is real-time strategy by just looking at screenshot without knowing anything about the game in the first place.

Ethric

03-30-2005, 08:39 PM

Of course it's not "Heroes". It's not and can never be. Chuck all conceptions of a return to the good old days (HoMM 2, for me, HoMM 3 for others) out the window. A new game in an old popular series will almost never measure up to the standards of old players, IF you insist on clinging to the old. And only NWV could truly stand a chance at getting it "feel like proper Heroes" anyway.

I for one hope that HoMM 5 will be a good game on it's own merits, and I regard it as a new game with some elements from Heroes.

Pengu1977

03-30-2005, 08:50 PM

Let's get one thing straight, heroes 3 is a great game and by far the best so far.
But like all things change must come to renew heroes and make it better. Going 3d is a big step and just as natural as it is challenging.
I draw no conclusions from the screenshoots cause I will look 95% at gameplay. If i still get the "heroes feel" when playing I welcome a change cause it might be even evolve in future heroes games. But if game is only looks bad gameplay and things reminds me of H4 I will be dissapointed and not play it. But going 3d is just an interesting step and I look forward to getting more info about gameplay and other more important stuff. Heroes is special, I hope they've kept it that way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lord_Elshoff

03-30-2005, 08:59 PM

Well said, Ethric! I fully agree.

Heroes V cannot be a "real" sequel (for that it would need Jon Van Caneghem and the NWC people), however, it can still be a good game.

BoardGuest

03-30-2005, 10:31 PM

2D might works better for some aspect, but I doubt it would sell well, especially in the next years, considering what would be Heroes's competitors.

And I think a good game is a good game, no matter wether it be a sequel of a great series or not.

And I would expect for the best, regardless.

Mike447a

03-30-2005, 10:42 PM

bah me...

I'm not seeing age3, warcraft, etherlord... or disciples... in these screenshot ! (like many)

I'm seeing Might & Magic RPG Series !!!

obiter

03-30-2005, 11:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Aseved:

In fact, the graphs seem to me the nearest to Heroes style that could be done in 3D, wich is quite good. If the gameplay is well done and respects the original, it would be a great Heroes game.

_Dragon Angel Aseved_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Graphics
i agree with you entirely! you can clearly see the earlier HOMM games reflected in the style of the buildings and the mountains of the first screen shot. there is wonderful detail in every model and texture, yet it all looks unified and slightly cartoony. a triumph of 2D --> 3D translation if you ask me.

and look at the valley! its absolutely full of the treasure, unit buildings and resources that have always defined HOMM strategy and exploration!

Gameplay
it is utterly pointless to discuss gameplay at this point. it is virtually *impossible* to speculated on what the gameplay *feels like* and how it *moves* from a simple, static image. Consider two pictures, one of Halo 2 and the other of Unreal Tournament. From the pics all you can tell is that they are both FPSs. You may speculate that they will feel the same, but you'd sure be wrong, wouldn't you?

there is no reason to imagine that a 3D engine is inherently hostile to the traditional "step" movement system. in fact, if you consider the way objects are clustered together in the first screen shot, it might well indicate a grid-based movement system underneath the pretty 3D wrapper.

UI / Features
finally, I wouldn't be too worried that none of the monster units pictured are stacked. the screen shots show no UI elements at all, but obviously it must have one.

so rejoice people! the game looks fantastic and is clearly being given a lot of love by Ubi to make it the best possible.

PeXalot

03-30-2005, 11:39 PM

dudes archangel looks like jap cra_p anime S_hit
i just dont understan why dont ubi get all the nwc team werking for them
this is so dumb
game will be sucky and in heroes 6 ubi will get the team
but we have a slight chance of game gone gr8 its neval cose they make games for russians and russians dont care of grafix i know im a russian

d0ma

03-31-2005, 01:07 AM

I'm afraid they might mess it up, like the new settlers game. It also was made to look alot like warcraft, and ruined the entire settlers name in one game.

Fidanas

03-31-2005, 01:39 AM

Don't be so hard it is only the begining. I find the pictures satisfactory so far. I grew up with Heroes titles since HOMM-1, and one thing that attracted me to this series, was the magical,happy,dreamland atmosphere. Looking at those pictures i think that the fantasy ambient feeling of a Heroes game is here as well. I'm confident about NIVAL as a company, because i've tried Etherlords-1 (it was...different, but amazing), and Sillent Storm (another turn based genre like X-COM), and i think that those Russians are great developers. Have pattions, and some trust.

Fidanas

03-31-2005, 01:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ethric:

I for one hope that HoMM 5 will be a good game on it's own merits, and I regard it as a new game with some elements from Heroes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. Every title is a different story. Even sequels shouldn't be compared with their predecessors. Wrongly we did that to HOMM games, but on the other hand, someone told me that from all the HOMM titles, 1 and 4 should stand as a distinct game releashes. 2 and 3 (great games) should be considered more like a powerful add on (or expansion if you preffer).

UnrealOne1987

03-31-2005, 02:41 AM

This game cant look like warcraft 3 because it uses the Settlers 5 engine. From my experience Ubisoft cant make a bad game, lets hope this is true. Settlers 5 didnt had the expected succes, but that was a rts, lets hope that this engine integrated in a tbs will do wonders for the game. We still have at lest 7-8 months to wait so lets not make an impression so early. Let's wait!

Menathor

03-31-2005, 06:10 PM

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Yeah, well that's true... Only it's pretty sad when a great series is screwed up in the name of profit... They could very well do an Etherlords game since they have more experience in making that kind of gameplay, but no they wanted a game ''not just for Heroes fans, but to a larger audience'' according to the press release.

Anyway the art I have seen is lovely and worthy of a Heroes game. But it's pretty much irrelevant. I have enjoyed many 2D games as well as 3D, it's the gameplay that counts, and the storyline. Graphics and music just have to be bearable. Only problem is that making awesome 3D graphics can significantly degrade the gameplay. It needs a lot of talent to achieve smooth moving animations and quick gameplay as you upgrade the visuals. Blizzard was experienced enough to do it with WRC3 and WoW but I sure have doubts about the Nival team. Just think about Everquest, it's the best example for me: great scenery, detailed character models and zero gameplay...

I don't want to be overly pessimistic but I see it coming. Another case of franchise given to the wrong hands. Do you remember the good old Command & Conquer with GDI and NOD? Does that jewel have anything in common with the 3D **** we have today? Certainly not... Sure it's too early and we should give Ubisoft a chance. Personally I will prefer to start weeping from now and let any good development surprise me this once.

R.I.P. 3DO, Black Isle, Squaresoft

Yuri_Kenobi

04-01-2005, 04:53 AM

Darn connservative people!
It's about time for a change, 3D0 didn't go bankrupt for nothing!

Alderbranchh

04-01-2005, 05:37 AM

Well, Im postive that a new HOMM is comin around. But i think that each of the games sofar had their own appeal.

HOMM 1 - classic but I never liked the dragons with that large belly... not to mention hasted hydras.

HOMM 2 - Real good, and I still enjoy playing it.

HOMM 3 - The favorite I must say and it still holds its appeal

HOMM 4 - Had the HOMM feeling yet it didnt really get me as interested as the others.

So I have my hopes up for the 5th...
I really cant tell until its released.

The-Filth

04-01-2005, 05:58 AM

I just find it funny and a bit pathetic that people has started crying already, when we havent really "seen" anything of the game. Oh no! 3D!! the game MUST suck!!....
It's way to early to start crying about "it is not Heroes".
You have only seen 4 screenshots. And my guess is that they dont fully represent what the game actually looks like.
I'll wait until I have the game installed in my computer before I might start crying "its not heroes".
I can live with changes in graphic and features if the finished product gives me that "heroes feel". That feeling was present in Homm 2 and 3. In Homm 4 I though i got the "heroes feel" at first. But it turned out to be the flue =)

sgr_kaus

04-01-2005, 06:12 AM

I hope there will an option for a 'zoom out'...if not, this game will be a piece of s***.

hebo

04-01-2005, 06:17 AM

Well, HeroesIV's was not good in 3D effect, but HeroesV will be OK. These 4 snapshots are perfect!

Yuri_Kenobi

04-01-2005, 07:08 AM

I agree with Alderbranchh. But the most stupid thing about HoMM1 was the Griffins with that collar around their necks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

And there was never any HoMM feeling in Heroes 4, I was tired of it already before the hex grid-patch was released http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Captain_Stifu

04-01-2005, 08:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sgr_kaus:
I hope there will an option for a 'zoom out'...if not, this game will be a piece of s***. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's just the kind of hateful and overly stupid messages that I see much too often.
If I was one of the guys developing Heroes V, I'd mostly stay away from this forum because of guys posting **** like that.

Quinea_Pig_King

04-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Hey, you all who said Heroes IV is a bad game? Are you really sure about that? It was, in my opinion a really good game when it comes to graphics, gameplay and music, but the storyline wasn't Heroes. THAT, in my opinion, is the greatest problem of Heroes IV. But other than that it was one of the best games of the year...
...but 3DO also made two sucky expansions, which kind of ruined the feeling.

Kareeah_Indaga

04-01-2005, 08:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PeXalot:i just dont understan why dont ubi get all the nwc team werking for them <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe the X-NWCers got jobs elsewhere soon after 3DO went under, too soon for Ubi to hire them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif They had to pay the bills somehowââ‚¬Â¦

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Yuri_Kenobi:
I agree with Alderbranchh. But the most stupid thing about HoMM1 was the Griffins with that collar around their necks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree it looked kind of silly, but they needed that collar to keep with the Warlockââ‚¬™s color, just like the wolves needed the green leg band to keep with the Barbarian color. Because if youââ‚¬™ll notice:

SORCERESSââ‚¬"YELLOW
WARLOCKââ‚¬"BLUE
KNIGHTââ‚¬"RED
BARBARIANââ‚¬"GREEN

Every single creature in each town had that factionââ‚¬™s color somewhere on it, barring only the miscellaneous creatures since they didnââ‚¬™t have a town. H1 was the only Heroes game in which this happened (with the possible exception of Kingââ‚¬™s Bountyââ‚¬"I never played that).

Yuri_Kenobi

04-01-2005, 09:34 AM

I never really been able to point out the biggest problems with Heroes IV (except the fact that there's is only one cutscene), I absolutely do not mind the graphics, but Heroes III is just so much better!

simon_cowell

04-01-2005, 10:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Yuri_Kenobi:
I never really been able to point out the biggest problems with Heroes IV <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, many people of course will say that it was AI. And of course they are right. But that was not the only reason. As a matter of fact, I don't care much about AI. I also heard many people say that what was missing was this "something" that they couldn't really figure what it was. It just didn't feel right.

I think it all has to do with "improved" graphics. When I was looking at simplier, less shiny adventure map of HoMM III I saw a land of magic. I couldn't really get a close look at locations, but that was getting my imagination going. And when I'd enter a town I'd actually see how beautiful and mysterious that land was.

HoMM IV took this mystery away. You could see each separate tree, plus all that shiny plastic stuff everywhere. You also didn't have a feeling that you are a part of really legendary quest. I mean if you can see a tree here, then it must be no more than a mile to the fathermost point on the map.

And lets face it, the graphics was cr*p. It looks like several people did it and they didn't communicate with each other. Some models were masterpieces, while some other were so bad and what is even worse so out of proportion (like gates, bridges, walls) that I was like "what the hell is this?". And dodn't get me started on how boring the towns were.

I hoped that for HoMM V they would do something like what they have in "Knights of Honor" for adventure map. Plus of course all the fantasy elements.

I'm afraid that with 3D the are moving to the wrong direction of HoMM IV even more.

Mike447a

04-01-2005, 03:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Quinea_Pig_King:
Hey, you all who said Heroes IV is a bad game? Are you really sure about that? It was, in my opinion a really good game when it comes to graphics, gameplay and music, but the storyline wasn't Heroes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

even i've really dislike this version...

I'm agreeing with you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
best graphics, music, immersion...

but...

after many evenings passed to play HOMM4...
I really have felt that i've passed evenings to play at ...

CMIYC4 !!! (Catch Me If You Can - 4 !) looooool
or
TTRBTM4 !!!! (Try To Run Better Than Me - 4 !!!) hihihi

cause bad & coward AI http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif trying infinitly turn around each mountain in hope only to steal you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Alderbranchh

04-02-2005, 02:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Captain_Stifu:
That's just the kind of hateful and overly stupid messages that I see much too often.
If I was one of the guys developing Heroes V, I'd mostly stay away from this forum because of guys posting **** like that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Id say that the players are the most imporant idea-givers ever really.
The developers should really listen to the players in many ways. Not to mention the testers.

calif2005

04-02-2005, 03:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Alderbranchh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Captain_Stifu:
That's just the kind of hateful and overly stupid messages that I see much too often.
If I was one of the guys developing Heroes V, I'd mostly stay away from this forum because of guys posting **** like that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Id say that the players are the most imporant idea-givers ever really.
The developers should really listen to the players in many ways. Not to mention the testers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with one reservation: listen and take into account, but do YOUR thing. Too often have I seen great games series (the biggest dissapointemnt for me was the Master of Orion series part 3) run into the ground by too much listening and trying to accomodate different, and often conflicting, ideas. It became a mess...

Lith_Maethor

04-02-2005, 03:33 AM

nothing new to add, what obiter said...

those who think HoMM5 should stick to 2d, are imho, living in a dreamworld that has nothing to do with reality, either business wise or in what 3d can do... the cartoon-ish (or anime-ish if you prefer) style suits HoMM just fine... look at HoMM 1-3 ...and guys, HoMM is gameplay first, then all the eyecandy or lack thereof

simon_cowell

04-02-2005, 08:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lith_Maethor:
those who think HoMM5 should stick to 2d, are imho, living in a dreamworld that has nothing to do with reality, either business wise or in what 3d can do... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, as far as business is concerned, you are absolutely right. 3D is easier to make this days. For the same reason porn industry wants you to believe that lesbian stuff is the hottest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"what 3d can do"... I guest it can do something for battles. I don't see how it is useful for adventure map.