<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jman295:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T9X_69:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jman295:
and fair enough it's an opinion but it's practically becoming a fact. Ubisoft said themselves that they open it up for CASUAL gamers. Not to mention the entirty of hardcore fans on this forum discussing how this game has become more casual. Theoretically your as much as a fan boy for the new style of gaming as much as hardcore fans are fan boys for the old style. So tossing the term "fan boy" around seems a bit hypocritical. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
An opinion can never become a fact, that's a fact. The majority of the people left on the forums are just CT fanboys to be honest with you. I'm not a fanboy of any game, I enjoyed all the SC games besides DA, it was ok at best. I like certain things in CT I wish they added in SCC, but there's also things in SCC I hope they add in the next game. I give games a chance and play them for what they are, so I can enjoy it. Instead of constantly comparing it to other games. Like seriously look at my recent games, I'm not going to lie Peggle looked gay as hell, then I actually played it and was like wow this game is actually really fun.....now my GF hogs my Xbox to play it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
KK well
my list of hardcore elements from previous SC games are as follows
- Moving bodies, once knocked out
- increased shadow hiding/ shadow gameplay
- throwable distractions
- ability to knock people out and not kill
- OCP
- Ability to control movement speed "better"
- Realistic Movements
- Knockout gas
- Guards had better reactions and hearing abilities
- Ability to whistle
-silenced weapons (more)
- Hacking of doors/ lock picking, hacking of security controls/ computers (for information)
- night and thermal vision
- Gadget load outs
things that took away hardcore gameplay
- forced action
- less stealth
- mark and execute
- having to kill everyone
- no creeping past enemies unnoticed
- black and white filter
- last known position
and Infiltration is just hunter mode but you lose if your seen, either way it's "kill everything from anywhere" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
- Moving bodies, once knocked out - Mentioned that in my previous post
- increased shadow hiding/ shadow gameplay - There's definitely tons of shadows in Conviction, no doubt about it.
- throwable distractions - Meh I wouldn't consider it a "Hardcore" element but it would be nice
- ability to knock people out and not kill - Not a big deal but I do agree it should have been there, because its in the co-op
- OCP - Agreed, mentioned this about knocking lights out in my previous post
- Ability to control movement speed "better" - The movement speed is fine, the crouching on the other hand needs to be pressure sensitive
- Realistic Movements - Conviction has very realistic movements IMO, some of the best especially with the cover system
- Knockout gas - Agreeed, I hate having to blow up my sticky cam
- Guards had better reactions and hearing abilities - On Realistic, its pretty damn good, not perfect but much improved over the previous games.
- Ability to whistle - Agree
-silenced weapons (more) - There's a good selection but there should be a silencer attachment for almost every weapon.
- Hacking of doors/ lock picking, hacking of security controls/ computers (for information) - The information part just is boring to me, the others would be nice but its not something I keep saying "Man I miss that" while playing Conviction
- night and thermal vision - I think they took those two smashed them together, made the tint very light green and added static, and called them Sonar Googles, I would like the original NVG but the Sonar do get the good done.
- Gadget load outs - You have every gadget equipped when you play, may not be realistic but its nice.
things that took away hardcore gameplay
- forced action - Agree
- less stealth - Its there, just harder to use
- mark and execute - Agree to a point, its nice but if its over used it kills the gameplay.
- having to kill everyone - To a point yes, I would like to play Infiltration without killing anyone for more replay value, but in the story you don't HAVE to kill everyone.
- no creeping past enemies unnoticed - I ghosted Kobins mansion perfectly fine until I got to the point were I had to interrogate Kobin, so pretty much 99% of the mission.
- black and white filter - AGREE 100%
- last known position - I think it makes it more realistic because in real life if someone throws something at you, your going to check where it came from first for a minute then move on to looking else ware.
EDIT: Oh well that looks hard to read, lol sorry I'm way to tired to go back and edit and make it red or something.
EDIT 2: I spaced everything for you, hope it makes it easier.