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FreeArchon

02-06-2009, 06:01 AM

Okay guys this is totally random and dont give me any **** about it please.

What if the player with the CV could only use airstrikes. And make another buyable upgrade in the supports for using airstrikes off other peoples command vehicle. I was reading the xp gaining guide that Raven posted and thought since Cvs only get XP with airstrikes that down why not only let them use the airstrikes period.

What does everyone else think?

obliviondoll

02-06-2009, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by FreeArchon:
What if the player with the CV could only use airstrikes.

I like the idea here before you clarified and made it sound rational... because without reading the rest it sounds like if you have a CV, you can't do anything at all but airstrike.

More seriously though, sounds like a good plan... I'd prefer if they gave you EW as the basic support instead of airstrikes, which are limited to certain maps dependent on the side you choose. Making the CV a requirement for airstrikes in addition would go a long way towards providing a real risk to airstike reliant strategies (a.k.a spam). And a realistic cost to gain access to air support (as opposed to no cost at all)

b_4721

02-06-2009, 09:27 AM

"Don't fix what's not broken"

Artacool

02-06-2009, 09:46 AM

I've thought of it before too. I like the idea it would be more fun hunting down that damn CV http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

If I read that right you would need a CV to use off map support right? EW should still ofcourse not need it since it can get it anywhere

Gunman SG

02-06-2009, 10:25 AM

Im all for this idea too. It would easily solve the 4v4 and 3v3 issue of mass airstrike spams.

PVTSN0WBALL

02-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Artacool:
I've thought of it before too. I like the idea it would be more fun hunting down that damn CV http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

If I read that right you would need a CV to use off map support right? EW should still ofcourse not need it since it can get it anywhere if you have to have the CV for airstrike then it should be for all off map support as well because EW spam is just as annoying as AS spam

Mighty_Borka

02-06-2009, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance.

Templar11709

02-06-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you just love how if you disagree with the who people like to complain your instantly Ignorant,******ed,Idiot,Noob,AIRSTRIKSPAMMER or "Elitist"

Let's just forget that some of us like the way it is and that any change that you get affects us so god forbid any of us disagree

Well i might as well sign up so where's the "Elitist" club T-Shirts,I'll settle for AIRSTRIKESPAMMER if you ran out.

Edit - and would you look at that, post 666

Mighty_Borka

02-06-2009, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Templar11709:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you just love how if you disagree with the who people like to complain your instantly Ignorant,******ed,Idiot,Noob,AIRSTRIKSPAMMER or "Elitist"

Let's just forget that some of us like the way it is and that any change that you get affects us so god forbid any of us disagree

Well i might as well sign up so where's the "Elitist" club T-Shirts,I'll settle for AIRSTRIKESPAMMER if you ran out.

Edit - and would you look at that, post 666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable. Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.

The system today does not work when scaling towards 2v2 and upwards. Hell, it barely even works as it is head-on.

Say what you want, but anyone with any concrete experience with the game will share my concerns.

Artacool

02-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Templar11709:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you just love how if you disagree with the who people like to complain your instantly Ignorant,******ed,Idiot,Noob,AIRSTRIKSPAMMER or "Elitist"

Let's just forget that some of us like the way it is and that any change that you get affects us so god forbid any of us disagree

Well i might as well sign up so where's the "Elitist" club T-Shirts,I'll settle for AIRSTRIKESPAMMER if you ran out.

Edit - and would you look at that, post 666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been called an elitist so many times... Well I guess I am, cuse I don't like, lazy, uneducated, unproductive, leaching, dumb****s of society. I don't think they should be given special treatment or help, because they refuse to try to help themselves and they think they deserve free money for some reason.

I'm not talking about handicaped people. I'm talking about the people that are completely able to become a productive part of society, but choose not to.

JSF-89

02-06-2009, 01:58 PM

Templar11709

02-06-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Templar11709:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you just love how if you disagree with the who people like to complain your instantly Ignorant,******ed,Idiot,Noob,AIRSTRIKSPAMMER or "Elitist"

Let's just forget that some of us like the way it is and that any change that you get affects us so god forbid any of us disagree

Well i might as well sign up so where's the "Elitist" club T-Shirts,I'll settle for AIRSTRIKESPAMMER if you ran out.

Edit - and would you look at that, post 666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable.

It has not been proven to be broken no matter what you say, now don't get me wrong,it's annoying to say the least to be hit by air strikes constantly but it's not as game affecting as you guys try to make it sound. Why did you include the word favorable into this, has no relevance as far as i can tell.

Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.

Yeah amazing that we are trying to keep a system that we are okay with and we can work our strategy's into while you guys are trying to do everything you can to get the system to favor you rather then figure out ways to negate the systems effects on your strategy's so you'll have to forgive me if i keep saying no.

The system today does not work when scaling towards 2v2 and upwards.

CP acquisition in 2v2 and up to need to be adjusted not Air Strikes in my opinion.

Hell, it barely even works as it is head-on.

And that statement is why i think your all just being a tad whiny rather then people who actully think the system is broken, 2 units is all that Airstrikes can take out in a short period if you are smart about it and to do that they also miss out on 3 reinforcements if you push them rather then waiting.

Say what you want, but anyone with any concrete experience with the game will share my concerns.
and us air strike defenders get called elitist. So now veteran players have to agree or we are not veterans, great way to make your case.

b_4721

02-06-2009, 02:45 PM

Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable. Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.
Comfort? I've had one battle open with air support every other turn. And the last time I played it I didn't even use it.

What's proven to not work is your strategy, get over it, Ignorance no. Arrogance because I'm obviously a better player then you maybe.

RyAndress

02-06-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Couldn't have said it better

CurlyGangster

02-06-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Artacool:
I've been called an elitist so many times... Well I guess I am, cuse I don't like, lazy, uneducated, unproductive, leaching, dumb****s of society. I don't think they should be given special treatment or help, because they refuse to try to help themselves and they think they deserve free money for some reason.

I'm not talking about handicaped people. I'm talking about the people that are completely able to become a productive part of society, but choose not to.
Fat People? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

tonydaglas934

02-06-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by b_4721:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable. Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.
Comfort? I've had one battle open with air support every other turn. And the last time I played it I didn't even use it.

What's proven to not work is your strategy, get over it, Ignorance no. Arrogance because I'm obviously a better player then you maybe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're not talking about good players, we're talking about the general population. It is a FACT that who ever has airstrikes wins the map 95% of the time. This is obviously a flaw, if it wasn't broken then the ratio would be 50/50. I can usually beat airstrike *****s but the general population of stupid and casual players don't. They play to have fun. Of course advanced players can counter airstrikes but if they win 10 times, there are idiots losing 1000 times at the same time.

Mighty_Borka

02-06-2009, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by b_4721:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable. Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.
Comfort? I've had one battle open with air support every other turn. And the last time I played it I didn't even use it.

What's proven to not work is your strategy, get over it, Ignorance no. Arrogance because I'm obviously a better player then you maybe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes - comfort. Since you're inable to look beyond the system you have been given on your plate... or disc, if you'd want.

Nobody cares about you using air-strikes or not - you're one single individual, the rest of us are talking the casual and mainstream population, an unquestionable majority. And this is not a question who is a better player or not, even bothering bringing that up is a defensive measure not a bit appriopiate.

The system needs fixing.
YOU can keep preaching about it - but you can't deny the actual statistics and real data.

I've put my opinion forward. And I am very confident the majority of users playing 2v2 and above is sharing my concerns.

b_4721

02-06-2009, 04:52 PM

Artacool

02-06-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by CurlyGangster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Artacool:
I've been called an elitist so many times... Well I guess I am, cuse I don't like, lazy, uneducated, unproductive, leaching, dumb****s of society. I don't think they should be given special treatment or help, because they refuse to try to help themselves and they think they deserve free money for some reason.

I'm not talking about handicaped people. I'm talking about the people that are completely able to become a productive part of society, but choose not to.
Fat People? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends, do they... have jobs? Not have a job, but are somehow helping the community? Or do they get unemployment and sit on their asses not trying to get a job?

POLLxMAKER

02-06-2009, 05:34 PM

worst idea i've ever friggin heard

General-Generic

02-10-2009, 08:57 AM

Stop whining about airstrikes. The easiest way to make someone mad is make sure to set your units up next to a building. Make sure it is facing the way the airstrike will come. 90% of the time it will hit the building and leave your unit undamaged. So they just wasted 4 to 7 Cp just to hit you and failed. That means you can bring in more units. Which if you use them right you can destory there uplinks. USE your head.

IllusiveViper

02-10-2009, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by POLLxMAKER:
worst idea i've ever friggin heard

Killing your teammates units might give you extra experience.

I win

Rambo46_454

02-10-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Artacool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Templar11709:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mighty_Borka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by b_4721:
"Don't fix what's not broken"
Wow. Ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't you just love how if you disagree with the who people like to complain your instantly Ignorant,******ed,Idiot,Noob,AIRSTRIKSPAMMER or "Elitist"

Let's just forget that some of us like the way it is and that any change that you get affects us so god forbid any of us disagree

Well i might as well sign up so where's the "Elitist" club T-Shirts,I'll settle for AIRSTRIKESPAMMER if you ran out.

Edit - and would you look at that, post 666 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been called an elitist so many times... Well I guess I am, cuse I don't like, lazy, uneducated, unproductive, leaching, dumb****s of society. I don't think they should be given special treatment or help, because they refuse to try to help themselves and they think they deserve free money for some reason.

I'm not talking about handicaped people. I'm talking about the people that are completely able to become a productive part of society, but choose not to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

^^^ native americans

xXRaptor22Xx

02-10-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by tonydaglas934:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by b_4721:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Wishing to keep a system that is proven to absolutley not work isn't anything I'd call favorable. Its up to anyone to have their own opinions - but there is times such is just based on comfort of not wishing to look any further than the semi-broken system that favors themselves.
Comfort? I've had one battle open with air support every other turn. And the last time I played it I didn't even use it.

What's proven to not work is your strategy, get over it, Ignorance no. Arrogance because I'm obviously a better player then you maybe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're not talking about good players, we're talking about the general population. It is a FACT that who ever has airstrikes wins the map 95% of the time. This is obviously a flaw, if it wasn't broken then the ratio would be 50/50. I can usually beat airstrike *****s but the general population of stupid and casual players don't. They play to have fun. Of course advanced players can counter airstrikes but if they win 10 times, there are idiots losing 1000 times at the same time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the ratio was 50/50 the system would be broken. End War was ment to be a realistic strategy game. It has achieved that status. In real life The side who posses airstrike use them to increase thier chances of winning. That side usually wins most of the time. While it is true that you can shoot down, or in End War's case negate the effect of airstrike's with Electronic Warfare, you have to posses and know how to use it in order for it to work. Just to reiterate, the system is just fine. You are complaining because it makes it harder for you to win.

roguewarrior727

02-10-2009, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by xXRaptor22Xx:

If the ratio was 50/50 the system would be broken. End War was ment to be a realistic strategy game. It has achieved that status. In real life The side who posses airstrike use them to increase thier chances of winning. That side usually wins most of the time. While it is true that you can shoot down, or in End War's case negate the effect of airstrike's with Electronic Warfare, you have to posses and know how to use it in order for it to work. Just to reiterate, the system is just fine. You are complaining because it makes it harder for you to win.

What fantasy world do you live in? You think pyramids in the middle of farmlands are realistic? You honestly believe that squadrons of ground attack aircraft will endlessly loiter around a small portion of a battlefield waiting for a ground target to be designated and are able to instantly approach the target for attack - without any other means of attacking the targets?

MattB RMC

02-10-2009, 10:29 PM

I don't hate air strikes. I use them in my strategy when I'm pushing forward. If someone is constantly getting harrased by air strikes they need to give an upgrade to the command vehicle that can possibly shoot down an air strike and make it cost CP to use. And about the EMP thing, I found that it doesn't work at all. One of my buddies who EMP'd air strikes all in the campaign and knew how long it took the to reach their target, and yes he had and still doesn't have a life, but when he started playing TOW he would drop an EMP right ontop of an air strike 3 shortly after it entered the map and it would still drop it's payload on the intended target. Airstrike 1 I can understand piolit makes visual contact and uses guns but 2 and 3 lazer guided munitions get disrupted by EMP, so I don't see how they can hit a target when there's no data for them to lock on from.

NEBAscension

02-11-2009, 06:30 AM

If airstrikes affected the game as much as you people make it out to be there would never be a single advance of more then 1 territory in game...your data is obivously not as conclusive as you want it to be. It obviously comes down to how you plan dislike the feature, or did you forget all those whining threads you used to make?

I dont know where you've been looking, but it seems to be we've had the same territories over, and over and over again for around 50 turns. It's only recently that i've even seen Paris, or Rammstein. You can glorify yourself all you like, but at the end of the day you'll always be outnumberd.

As for a sollution why not make them only work on the maps where there actually IS an airbase? rather than everywhere around them having those Oh So Overused supports?