Epilepsy filter ...

[Lensman]

Hello.
On another forum a representative of the development team (Luthier) has claimed that Ubisoft has imposed an epilepsy filter on 'Cliffs of Dover' that has seriously degraded performance and killed SLI compatibility.
Is this true please?
This is very serious if so and a poor joke if not.

[Shado2k2]

If it is true, that's enough to give anyone a fit.

[AndyJWest]

Which 'other forum'?

[Lensman]

Page 5 about halfway down:

http://translate.google.co.uk/...t%3D67803%26page%3D2 (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D67803%26page%3D2)

This is all over the 1C forum too:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19418

[archermav]

Seems that Luthier has just confirmed this epilepsy filter.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/s...&posted=1#post238839 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=238839&posted=1#post238839)

[WTE_Galway]

you gotta love ubisoft

and people wonder why they keep posting massive losses year after year

[svanen]

WTF is happening, this was supposed to be a happy day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

UBI has done it again.... %&/¤%¤¤/&%&/

[Cowboy10uk]

Ok guys heres a copy and past from Luthers post.

I want to confirm that everything said here is true, we have implemented some drastic features for anti-epilepsy protection which are affecting FPS and killing SLI support.

We CANNOT make these optional. That will allow an opportunistic or an unfortunate person suffering from epilepsy to sue Ubisoft for damages and literally close down the studio for good.

This was a stop-gap measure to make sure the game gets released. As I explained in the clumsily-translated Russian article, everything in our game causes seizures - gunfire, explosions, fire, sun passing behind canopy framework, etc. Basically flight sims are an epileptic's nightmare.

We'll work to improve the framerate and perhaps address individual issues individually as opposed to applying a single rough post-effect filter, but it is basically a very sad situation. Something completely unrelated and unexpected came to our sim with a giant axe and whacked at it at the last moment. We just didn't have time to properly address it.


Unsmegging beliveable, I knew Ubisoft had it in for Simmers, but to purposly add a filter that stops the game running properly. Damn.

Hi Ubisoft, Im a Adult, I dont have epilepsy, noone in my house has epilepsy, so why the hell do I have to suffer because of yet another stupid show of a nanny state.

There better be a way to turn this rubbish off, otherwise sod suing for epilepsy, Im gonna sue your ***, for selling software unfit for purpose.

Its bad enough the **** up you lot have made marketing this, BUT to destroy this software on purpose just because someone MAY somewhere have a fit is downright bloody stupid.

IF you have epilepsy and its not treated, then dont play on a friggin computer, its simple.


You guys want to ban me for my Rant, Hey fine.

[svanen]

@cowboy10uk: +1

I'm soo f****g upset at the moment, what the **** are they doing...

[miatacol]

This is disgraceful behavior from ubisoft. No other games require this nor have implement it. It seems nothing less than a deliberate attempt at sabotaging the title. ubisoft has officially sunk to a new low. I thought with the Silent Hunter 5 debacle that ubisoft could not go any lower but I was wrong.

Utterly disgraceful behavior. Ubisoft should be ashamed and have no business being in software publishing if this is how they treat their developers. I will NEVER send another cent ubisoft's way after this.

[Shrike_UK]

well thats me screwed then, nice knowing you all but 10FPS will be unplayable.

Thanks a bunce UBISoft, get stuffed!!

You destroyed Silent Hunter, Rainbow 6, and many other PC titles, and now this!!!!

BTW, i stopped buying any UBISoft published game several years ago as a result of R6, this was the only title i was prepared to lift my embargo for.

and +1 Cowboy

[Rjel]

This is just like a bad dream you can't wake up from. It sounds so ludicrous to be true. No wonder people think Oleg looks ill.

[Ba5tard5word]

WTF Ubisoft. What the hell are you smoking? I've never heard of this in any game. Just put in a notice when you start the game saying "hey, don't play this if you have epilepsy and if you do anyway we're not liable." What a dumb way to go about it, especially so late into the game. I hope modders come up with a fix to remove this. This might kill the game off. Hey Ubi if you're so concerned about losing profits due to being sued, maybe don't lose money by making dumb management decisions.

[ytareh]

Beyond belief...probably like adding an extra 'hardware upgrade' 'tax' of 150-350 euro/£/$...I hope oleg sues them ,he's SURELY within his rights to.

[biggs222]

I cant believe im saying this, but im GLAD I'm not getting this until the 19th... I hope this has been fixed before then.

Eff UBI!

[Targ]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I am sure they will spin this as a developer issue as UBI seems to never accept ANY responsibility for the short comings they continue to foist on customers.

[Voculus]

This can't be happening. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I hope 1C or the mod community finds a way to circumvent this deliberate act of sabotage. Ubisoft can burn in hell. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I guess they didn't want me to buy the sim, and now I won't. Thanks for nothing, you incompetent, braindead fools.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l548cdPLZy1qbo7v5o1_400.gif

[VW-IceFire]

I was becoming excited about the release up until I heard about this. This... is crap. Utter crap. And imposed so close to release as well. That's just ridiculous.

[Hawgdog]

and I bought the pacific thing...and that stupid pe-3 add on..and of course bought IL2...

UBI, what a clown wagon.


no wonder Oleg wants to walk from it.

[danjama]

This is ****.

So why doesn't Oleg just boycott Ubi, get out of it, and sell the game solely through Steam?

It seems he might as well, with the job Ubi are doing with selling physical copies of the game.

[munkee-man]

Hmmm 6 years of waiting and drooling over the absolutly beautiful screenshots posted by 1C every week to find out 2 weeks before its release that ubisoft have added a stupid epilepsy filter that dulls the effects and that it prob wont run worth a toss on my SLI rig!!! Well done Ubisoft - you really have won the prize for biggest bunch of tossers ive ever come across in my entire life... and ive met some real w@nkers in my time but they were just part-timers compared to you guys!!! I just gotta take my hat off to you guys at ubisoft - you really do know how to pi$$ off a gaming community. Thanks for nowt ya dung punching tools. in fact im just off to cancel my collectors edition order since youve had my money for over 3 weeks now and didnt even have the curtosy to email me to say the release date had been put back even though you had had my money for nearly 2 weeks by then..... and now this s#ite about the epilepsy filter....well its just the straw that broke the camels back. The sooner ubisoft goes bankrupt and calls in the recievers the better as far as im concerned - perhaps then a decent company that values its customer base will take over production of this game and give it the launch it deserves.

*EDIT - Id just like to offer my sympathy to Oleg and everyone who has worked so long and tirelessly on this game to see there hard work and commitment go to waste because of ubisofts imcompetencies. I am sorry that you guys will prob not benifit from this game as much as you should since i will not be buying it and i would urge others to do the same and perhaps after selling very few copies ubisoft will realise their mistakes and correct them with a proper release and no nanny state filters on it. I know it unlikely to happen but apart from boycotting the game we are powerless to influence ubisofts decisions.

[ploughman]

Originally posted by munkee-man:
Hmmm 6 years of waiting and drooling over the absolutly beautiful screenshots posted by 1C every week to find out 2 weeks before its release that ubisoft have added a stupid epilepsy filter that dulls the effects and that it prob wont run worth a toss on my SLI rig!!! Well done Ubisoft - you really have won the prize for biggest bunch of tossers ive ever come across in my entire life... and ive met some real ****ers inmy time but they were just part-timers compared to you guys!!! I just gotta take my hat off to you guys at ubisoft - you really do know how to **** of a gaming community. Thanks for nowt ya dung punching tools. in fact im just off to cancel my collectors edition order since youve had my money for over 3 weeks now and didnt even have the curtosy to email me to say the release date had been put back even though you had had my money for nearly 2 weeks by then..... and now this s#ite about the epilepsy filter....well its just the straw that broke the camels back. The sooner ubisoft goes bankrupt and calls in the recievers the better as far as im concerned - perhaps then a decent company that values its customer base will take over production of this game and give it the launch it deserves.

I wish I could agree with you. Seems I do. Ubisoft we drink to your demise.

[n1zmo94]

Originally posted by cowboy10uk:

This was a stop-gap measure to make sure the game gets released. As I explained in the clumsily-translated Russian article, everything in our game causes seizures - gunfire, explosions, fire, sun passing behind canopy framework, etc. Basically flight sims are an epileptic's nightmare.

Have they even play or see the game Beat Hazard??? Now that game is something to worry about? but this is childish..... Just create a damn term with warnings where the buyer can digitally sign where Ubisoft is not responsible for "seizures" that the game could cause.

[able72]

Hello,

Seriously, I have epilepsy. I was diagnosed more than 10 years ago. I've been playing IL-2 1946 as long as its been out and it has NEVER. I'm gonna say this real slow again for the beurocrats at Ubi. N E V E R caused a seizure in me.

I find the inclusion of this 'filter' offensive. I'm ****ing epileptic and have a disability or a handicap but for god sake, take your Politically correct 'save me from myself' bull**** and shove it up your ***. Give me the game the developer built that I want to play without a 'save me from myself' filter that ****s fps.

Need I say more? Oh, can I sue Ubi for screwing my game in the name of protecting me from myself?

[ElAurens]

I'm done.

Orders canceled.

Sorry Oleg, I really am, but this is it for me.

[Bearcat99]

This is why I was so disappointed when I found out UBI was publishing this. I had no idea what it would be.. but UBI has becoe famous for shooting itself.. and Oleg in the foot in my book. The BS with the covers of PF.. the Boonty Box mess.. the different versions marketed as something iother than what they were .......

[Crash_Moses]

I feel sick...

[Boomer301]

http://war-hawks.net/images/cancelCoD.JPG

'Nuff said,
Let your wallet do your talking

[Feathered_IV]

Welcome to Cliffs of Dover.... Loading

Warning! Anti-epilepsy filter is disabled. Do you wish to continue Y/N?

Just make the end user agree each time they startup or perhaps even make a flight. Small price to pay.

[AliFish1974]

id rather have ubisoft banned from making games over and above legitimising anti epilepsy software or stopping epileptics from gaming.

Ubisoft your a muppet. you ruin our games. i hope somone has a fit and screws you right up whilst using your nonsensical software.i really do.

just as with silent hunter 5 youve ruined it again. may your sales drop & drop year after year.

[tomahawko]

EDIT: I'm less upset now and recognize the complexity of the situation. However, still:

I WISH you would implement an _OPTIONAL_ feature to protect me from ******ed publishers.

[knightflyte]

I'd complain, but it'll fall on deaf ears as usual.

MzKleaneazy? I have a message for UBI. Could you deliver it? I'll NEVER buy another UBI Soft game in my life. EVER.


I'm not epileptic, but I AM apoplectic. NEVER AGAIN. EVER.

[Tachyon1000]

Sorry, but I don't believe it. Ubisoft has released any number of games with flashing effects, any number of shooters, what-have-you, and I have never heard of an epilepsy filter being applied to anything.

I take this as completely indicative of Maddox Games' gross incompetence. It's a cover-up for a crappy game with a nearly non-functional graphics engine after 6 years of development.

[EpilepsyYrAss]

Pre-order cancelled, you dimwits UBI clowns.

Sincerely,
EpilepsyYrAss.

PS: I will get it from Steam directly (more money to the developer, not you) or from Ru or from corner store, but ain't no UBI. That is, WHEN I will be sure I can remove the "cover my *** ubi feature"

[EpilepsyYrAss]

Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
Sorry, but I don't believe it. Ubisoft has released any number of games with flashing effects, any number of shooters, what-have-you, and I have never heard of an epilepsy filter being applied to anything.

I take this as completely indicative of Maddox Games' gross incompetence. It's a cover-up for a crappy game with a nearly non-functional graphics engine after 6 years of development.

I have no idea what are you might be doing in this thread and why do you have a slightest interest in Maddox game.. go mind the games that are not crappy and created by someone competent instead, will you?

[knightflyte]

Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
Sorry, but I don't believe it. Ubisoft has released any number of games with flashing effects, any number of shooters, what-have-you, and I have never heard of an epilepsy filter being applied to anything.

I take this as completely indicative of Maddox Games' gross incompetence. It's a cover-up for a crappy game with a nearly non-functional graphics engine after 6 years of development.



Could you be right? IDK. But being here in the UBI forums for almost 9 years I've witnessed a lot of **** ups by UBI. My money's on UBI mucking this up.

[crucislancer]

I just saw the news on the Kotaku blog, very disheartening to say the least. I'm hopeful that this epilepsy filter is removed by the time I'm read to buy this sim, or at least incorporated well enough to not effect frame rates. If not, I won't get it, simple as that.

[Sel94]

Wow, I was looking forward to this sim so much, it looked awesome. Now, I don't think I'll get it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Treetop64]

First SHV got screwed with. Now this.

Looks like SHIV will be the last ever product I ever buy from these dimwits. Why-oh-why did Oleg go with Ubi with CoD?

Ubi can kiss it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

[WTE_Galway]

Originally posted by Treetop64:
Why-oh-why did Oleg go with Ubi with CoD?

Ubi can kiss it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

My thoughts are that possibly UBI had some sort of IL2 sequel rights we know nothing about.

But who knows. It may even have been a 1C decision to play with UBI again, not Oleg at all.

[NoahWhtly]

I was going to break my boycott of UBI to get this game, but now maybe not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Hopefully this is gets cleared up before it gets released to the rest of the world.

Either way, it is incredibly disappointing.

[Mr_Zooly]

It seems that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many in this age of complete lack of personal responsibility.

[skarden]

OMFG I've just finished building my rig up to be able to handle this game quiet well and now this BS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
This is some ****ing bad dream surely,how can one company be so unbelievably dimwitted and stupid,I haven't bought an UBI game for some time because of their idiotic DRM and sadly it looks like it's going to stay that way,feeling pretty bummed out about this right about now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

That said I wonder if there will be an after market way to disable it?

[JG52Uther]

Its just unbelievable news to have this dropped on us at release.
And,we are told it will NOT be optional in the western release.
It just doesn't make sense.Something stinks here.

[waffen-79]

I'm waiting to the last moment to buy it from steam

[slo-warhavk201]

Ubi will not see my money.

PETKA

[julian265]

I was considering pre-ordering on steam, but now (after the epilepsy protection info) I'll be waiting to see how other people go with it before I buy it at all.

I'm not sure that having ubi as a publisher will give any more profit to 1C, compared to offering CloD by download only. So much missing information, so little advertising effort, and now the performance and visually degrading epilepsy filter, forced upon non-epileptic people.

[msalama]

It's a cover-up for a crappy game with a nearly non-functional graphics engine after 6 years of development.

Looks like that to me too. Witness no other UBI-released game suffering from a crippling epilepsy filter (AFAIK at least) and you can't help but wonder what the h3ll was their project management doing during those 6 years in development. Drinking Stoli and making whoopee with the Spitgirl maybe?

[LeazesNDR]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
I'd complain, but it'll fall on deaf ears as usual.

MzKleaneazy? I have a message for UBI. Could you deliver it? I'll NEVER buy another UBI Soft game in my life. EVER.


I'm not epileptic, but I AM apoplectic. NEVER AGAIN. EVER.

You've got it right about the complaints falling on deaf ears.
Watch the forum mods bury their heads in the sand and conveniently "ignore" this issue.

[Feathered_IV]

The crushing ineptitude of Ubisoft is just.. stupefying. I understand though it will take money to make good their willful damage. I'll keep my pre order with Steam to help fund an eventual fix to this pitiful farce.

I wish Ubisoft nothing less than utter financial ruin and will do my best to contribute to their demise. Reap what you SoW.

[gprr]

This filter being mandatory W/O an option and droped as a Bomb at release date, leads me to think loudly that it is actally a coverup and the game is a buggy one that runs bad (no DX11, no XFIRE, no SLI)
Had the impression from Olegs words about multycore and H/T support in CoD that it is minor - "Mainly for sound" regarding H/T, "not so mutch".That + increased game demmands, also reinforces my feelings that the game has problems utilizing hardware and thus runs slow.

GP

[Mysticpuma2003]

I'm keenly waiting for news on this as it seems, once-more, UBISOFT have gone out of there way to cripple another of their game releases and the Developer suffers!

It would be interesting to know if the Steam version, as not distributed by Ubi? would not have the Epilepsy Filter enabled automatically?

I don't get why, after all the years of development, that 1C chose a Developer that most in the community saw as one that would or could make or break this product, with most thinking the 'break' would be more possible!

So-far I have not seen anything in the videos and release information that makes me think this has now been rush-released by Ubi and Russia (fortunately for us in the West) is getting to Beta test all the bugs before the 31st in Europe and by the time it reaches the US it should be running smoothly only if the statement by Oleg regarding patches depending on the success of the initial release isn't a forewarning that there may be little done after?

I hope that CoD gets it's success, those who are IL2 fans will, I am sure, be there for it, but it's like everything.....you need new blood to come into the market to make the sales figures work, and if the game is buggy, glitchy and problematic from the start, new buyers will be the ones writing poor reviews and killing future sales!

I applaud the epilepsy implementation, but to make it non-optional is ridiculous. It should be the users choice, but then again what can you say when an Historical Simulation has marketing decisions forced on it like the removal of the Historically accurate hakenkreuz!

I'm now cancelling my Steam order and waiting to see what it's like when it's released in the US, hopefully with a couple of patches in the Steam version implemented?

Cheers, MP

[mean_mango]

This has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard! Epilepsy filter? Seriously?

[FlatSpinMan]

EPIC. FAIL.
This news is just ******ed. What a stupid, stupid thing to impose on Oleg. I really feel so sorry for him and his team to have a publisher that seems intent on destroying the work of his last 6 years. It must be heart-breaking.

[AliFish1974]

" LOW FPS " Causes Epilipsy to Ubisoft.

OLEG LEAVES != http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=70451

this is what one of the devssaid yesterday.

"I want to confirm that everything said here is true, we have implemented some drastic features for anti-epilepsy protection which are affecting FPS and killing SLI support.

We CANNOT make these optional. That will allow an opportunistic or an unfortunate person suffering from epilepsy to sue Ubisoft for damages and literally close down the studio for good.

This was a stop-gap measure to make sure the game gets released. As I explained in the clumsily-translated Russian article, everything in our game causes seizures - gunfire, explosions, fire, sun passing behind canopy framework, etc. Basically flight sims are an epileptic's nightmare.

We'll work to improve the framerate and perhaps address individual issues individually as opposed to applying a single rough post-effect filter, but it is basically a very sad situation. Something completely unrelated and unexpected came to our sim with a giant axe and whacked at it at the last moment. We just didn't have time to properly address it. "

[titus6230]

WTF!?!?!?
Who the hell gets all these stupid decisions? Is this company ruled by monkeys?? They are set to destroy everything. I hope all those damn stupid suits rot in hell!

[Stiletto-]

Something isn't right here. It just doesn't add all up. Forced spring release when development wasn't completed? the lack of advertising, the lack of info on the game. Unknown release dates, multiple box arts, late title changes.. Oleg wanting to leave? Now this?

Why would ubi want to make less money off of this, I think most people here think that all they care about is a quick dollar, this isnt how you get that.

Maybe there is some sort of clause that if Cliffs of Dover sells well and meet a certain quota ubisoft gets more add-ons in the series? Maybe the development team is throwing things to cut ties with ubisoft somehow? I don't know, they whole thing sounds completley jacked.

The communication betweeen Ubi and Olegs team doesn't sound like it has ever been good either. I'm pretty sure there is alot of stuff going on behind closed doors that we aren't seeing. None of whats going on with this game, pre-release makes any sense at all. Why is this epilepsy filter coming up just now? If it is so inherently part of the games code why wasn't evident at the trade show a few months back?

None of this makes any sense at all, and we didnt hear this officially from ubisoft (not that we are hearing anything from ubisoft). There has to be alot more to this story.

I'm going to sit back with a box of popcorn and watch this unfold.

[Abels]

Originally posted by Stiletto-:
Why would ubi want to make less money off of this, I think most people here think that all they care about is a quick dollar, this isnt how you get that.


Ubisoft bet on the casual customers, who just just take a game as along with other purchases from the supermarket and not on the customers who buy a game and play only this game for years without purchasing other games (mainly from Ubisoft again).

Ubisoft has no interest in hardcore simmer, with this breed of players they can not make profit. Games such as CoD are distribute only for an small extra income, for Ubisoft they are not really important for their sales in the PC market. Therefore this genre also not receive intense support of Ubisoft.

[gprr]

If you read here :
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1032709/m/6751022719 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8071032709/m/6751022719)

"Dano: How is Cliffs of Dover optimised for multicore systems? Is there an upper limit on the number of cores supported?
ms-kleaneasy:

"We didn’t focus on multicore support while developing the game, but we do run the game in multiple threads. Depending on your CPU, these threads will be split between available cores. There’s no upper limit to the number of supported cores, but you will see little improvement past four cores because additional threads are pretty light"

And also combine Olegs answer on yuotube regarding H/T support as "Not so mutch" you will get it that it is not that filter but the written game cod that is not utilizing hardware as it should !!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

What we actually have is IL-2 on steroids that is made to use only small part of the heart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

GP

[Insuber]

I would wait that the dust settles before pointing fingers, we miss the complete picture. I doubt that the anti-epilepsy filter is to blame for the totality of the fps issues. Of course its optional removal is mandatory, at my eyes.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

[Comswim]

Just cancelled my pre-order with Ubi. What a shame!!!!

[petherf1960]

As stated at DCS forum:

Originally Posted by luthier
Hi everyone,

The team could never in a million years imagine that a post on a Russian-language forum would so quickly make the rounds and spread around the internet.

The information there is not accurate, especially the placing of the blame on Ubisoft.

I feel that I need to describe this in more detail.

Our game did cause wide-scale epilepsy failures when tested. Propellers, muzzle flashes, smoke puffs, explosions, falling bombs, flying or taxiing between buildings, sun shining through canopy framework, etc, they were all causing potentially seizure-inducing flashes.

We worked hard to address all these issues individually, but since a flight sim is all about fast-moving large objects, there were just too many instances of things causing high-contrast flashes.

So, as we were running out of time, WE decided to implement this epilepsy filter as a stop-gap measure.

The filter sits on top of the game's graphics wrapper. It saves a previous frame, and then compares it pixel-by-pixel to the new frame. When two pixels are found with a high degree of contrast between them, the new pixel is toned down to make the change less drastic.

This causes a visual effect somewhere between bloom and motion-blur that removes virtually all instances of high-contrast flashes.

However this pixel-by-pixel frame analysis and modification takes up additional resources, it in fact delays the showing of each new frame until each pixel of it checked, and therefore the filter is causing deteriorated performance that is especially notable on lower-end machines.

We are continuing to work to optimize the game and to increase its framerate. Ubisoft has been very patient and understanding with us throughout the entire process, and we are continuing to work with them very closely to find the best solution to epilepsy issues.

In summary, I want to stress that it is OUR code and OUR game engine that is causing performance issues. And it US who has to make it better, and that's exactly what we pledge to do.

[PaulWF]

Originally posted by petherf1960:
As stated at DCS forum:

Originally Posted by luthier
In summary, I want to stress that it is OUR code and OUR game engine that is causing performance issues.

But UBI's requirement in the first place necessitating the extra code.

[LeazesNDR]

Originally posted by petherf1960:

In summary, I want to stress that it is OUR code and OUR game engine that is causing performance issues. And it US who has to make it better, and that's exactly what we pledge to do.

Glad to hear it.

Mind you, I'm still of the opinion that Mr Big from UBIsoft instructed luthier or whoever else from 1C to put that sort of statement out.
Maybe the flurry of cancelled pre-orders is hitting home!

[Matsher]

Local Pre-order cancelled.

I am glad that Luther is taking ownership of this fiasco and being accountable to the community.
Obviously Ubi insisted on this crippling feature and for that I want to
punch someone in the face.

This game is so important to so many of us, with most of the community being older family and career men.
This Sim is our escape, it was made specifically for us old farts. Only for PC, ultra realistic, challenging to master - it is not a "Game" for the spotty faced,
get bored in minutes A.D.D. generation.
But having this sufferance forced upon us is one step too far.

My machine is not uber and is marginally over the released min specs...
Now I am uncertain if the game will run at all, knowing that this filter
noteably degrades performance on mid range machines - and, as of this moments it cannot be disabled.

So this is my stand...

UbiSoft, I am going to BLOW-UP one of your Offices...
Now that I said that you have to come and arrest me...
My address is 54 Valley rd,
Westcliff, 2193, JHB, south Africa...

And when you send the boys round, MAKE SURE THEY
BRING A RUSSIAN COPY OF THE GAME FOR ME THAT DOESN'T HAVE YOUR
IMMENSELY PATRONIZING LOCKED-ON EPILEPSY FILTER.

This is such bull**** !

[ElAurens]

The Russian copies of the game have it as well.

1C piggybacked on the UBI requirement.

[longlost00]

Fully supportive of this and every other sim, but I cancelled my order until I see how this ends up.

WH_Doc
War-Hawks Recruiter
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[AngeloEvs]

Dear oh dear! I have il1946 running perfect and installing a later generation SIM that will be inferior on my PC is not an option. Going to cancel my pre-order and wait untill the issues are resolved. Now looking forward to UP3 for 4.101 which is due for release around the first week of April from what I have read.....Cannons map and BOB campaigns on 4.101 will do me untill this mess is sorted!

[SMURFY1967]

Cancelled my pre-order which at £34.99 was only £25 more than the un-adultered version available to our Russian friends on Yuplay.ru. On our website www.battle-fields.com (http://www.battle-fields.com) there are double figures of people cancelling. No reply here from anyone from Ubi, and it appears the 1C boys have gone away for the weekend. I`ve waited a long time for this to be released and so have many others, what have we got?

Poor advertising campaign, massively over-priced for the rest of the world (to be expected I guess), last minute changes which bollox the fps up (if you believe that this was last minute and not just some smoke-screen), and a game which appears to be playable only on NASA`s computers, congratulations to all involved , quite a fiasco.

I`ll wait till this plays, X-Fire is enabled and people start telling the truth, till then i`ll play RoF and IL2 and look forward to UP`s latest offering.

[Fehler]

Is everyone here aware that a large portion of games released have a filter such as this?

Medal of Honor, when first released, had the filter! XBox games have it.

You guys still crack me up. Go away for a year or so, come back, and same people crying about sh!t they dont understand...

Wonder how many of you are going to try and play this game on the same machine you cant even fly IL2 in perfect without huge frame loss? LOL! I guess that will be 1C's fault too.

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Send me the game Luthier... I am ready to enjoy your creation!

[BSR_RuGGBuTT]

Originally posted by Fehler:
I guess that will be 1C's fault too.
That may be true. The question I would like answered is whose fault is it that you are the leader of the UBI fanbois?

[willyvic]

Easy ol' timers...easy. Let's not upset those rocking chairs shall we? Play nice, this isn't the good old days of ****gin' your fellow members...


Jeeez we've been here too long.....

WV

[Feathered_IV]

Only two of the people on this page are regulars.

[PB0_shadow]

But UBI's requirement in the first place necessitating the extra code.

Because the game failed the anti-epilepsy tests.

Not the first game that needed to be corrected for such fail

[Crazy_Goanna]

The couple of times I have used a console to play games I came away with an injury not unlike RSI in my thumb from those tiny joysticks.
Should game developers put a filter on these games or at least a warning that you can get RSI from repeated and extended play.
Blo*dy nanny states.
Still the intellectual ability of many console gamers (very youthful) would preclude them from reading any instructions other than the console key setup/assignments.

[BSR_RuGGBuTT]

Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Only two of the people on this page are regulars.
So our opinions don't matter? Ok fine. Let's go by post count............

Or join date. Mind you, this is my second account. When I joined BSR I asked them to remove my account formed in '01.

[ElAurens]

*Ahem*

*Looks at join date/post count.*

Nope, I guess I'm a n00b as well...

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[DrHerb]

How many years did it take for IL2 to get perfected in framerate and stutters?
How many generations of hardware was developed since the inception of IL2?

Seems to me that lots of people are throwing the sim under the bus too soon. Im sure patches will get released in the coming months to smooth things over. Every day the sim doesn't get released, 1C loses money, and 99% of the games released by any company has bugs.

[Quarknova]

Originally posted by DrHerb:
How many years did it take for IL2 to get perfected in framerate and stutters?
How many generations of hardware was developed since the inception of IL2?

Seems to me that lots of people are throwing the sim under the bus too soon. Im sure patches will get released in the coming months to smooth things over. Every day the sim doesn't get released, 1C loses money, and 99% of the games released by any company has bugs.

You are right regarding the first IL2. But after more than 10 years in game development they should have now with CoD (6 years development) a much more mature product. Today with the graphic hardware available around no way. Many games come out with top quality visuals and sound and there is no stuttering at all at 1920x1200. There may be a few bugs yes, but low framerate and stuttering in CoD is a NO BUY signal.

[RSS-Martin]

Well people who are that naiv to think there would be no bugs, and are so impatient, to say due to the release problems "I am not buying" are most likely here wrong from the start as they most likely would have no patience for a perfect sim either. So no real loss. Sure one could have expected certain things to be better. But who has a complete picture of the going on behind the curtains? We only know of a small bit of the picture, and to make a judgement on that small bit is more than hasty.
I am fairly certain that most of these people who are mouthing off now, would have done the exact same thing with the original release of IL2.
I personally am more for waiting to see what happens then to throw the towel in and act like a little kid who has had his lollypop pinched.

[X32Wright]

Also things are easier today than 10 years ago. There was no direct access to shaders then where you have to make alpha channels and clip maps to generate any kind of specularity. Today this is much easier to do with nVidia's Cg and ATI's Rendermonkey not to mention the direct access to the GPU physics (and quaternion) calculations using CUDA.

It was Oleg who said that the Il-2:1946 and specially the later patches were the test platforms for SOW:BOB aka CLOD. If you ask me they spent way too much time on stuff you would barely see on the sky and not matter much like tanks,Flak and Half-truck details that wont be seen much in the sky unless you're a barn burner.

I just wish that Oleg did an extensive beta testing phase (even a paid one). I surely would have signed an NDA and helped them out and I am probably not the only one willing to help.

[Lake9JG26]

Seems crazy for a publisher to screw up their own product, lets hope it works.

[Ba5tard5word]

Originally posted by DrHerb:
How many years did it take for IL2 to get perfected in framerate and stutters?
How many generations of hardware was developed since the inception of IL2?


Heck I still get stutters in Il-2.

I really wish that Oleg would have relocated to a Western nation where they could have gotten better hardware, and also gone with a different publisher who really supported it and cared about the product instead of trying to sabotage it with behind the scenes politics. Instead they've been doing it "on the cheap" and with crappy old hardware. You see a lot of games coming out of Eastern Europe but there's almost always something wrong with them. Not all Western-made games are coded well, far from it, but they tend to have a lot less problems than Eastern European games. Il-2 is pretty good nowadays (especially with mods) but the lack of multi-core support and various other idiosyncrasies still bug us and hold the game back. Making COD on the cheap with old hardware could really hamper its development over the next 5 years.

We'll see though, I think eventually COD will be pretty good but it will probably take years to really get it to attain its true potential, and that is just getting it to run like it's supposed to, putting adding new planes and maps totally aside. There are going to be a ton of patches just to fix bugs and performance...or at least there better be. If 50-60fps is not doable on my computer then I'm not getting it.

[Levethane]

Waited years for this sim but this has put me off from buying it, back to Rise of Flight I go...:P

[Pudfark]

Can someone tell me "who" is going to patch and fix this game? You are aware? Oleg is not on the team anymore. Who is?

[ElAurens]

Pudfark,

You do realize that the dev team is indeed still at work. Do you think Oleg is the only guy that worked on the sim?

Do you go to the other forums at all?

Illya just posted over at the 1C forum for example.

Work is progressing as we speak.

Stop the senseless panic posts.

[apple3.14]

Filter officially optional http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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Hello everyone,

Once again I want to point out that a lot of your earlier anger was misplaced. Actually, our colleagues at Ubisoft are extremely interested in making this game a success, they care about our opinion and yours, and everyone we work with there is understanding and cordial and more than willing to listen and change their mind.

Having said that, I'm glad to announce that the debacle has been resolved.

We will be making the filter optional, however turned on by default. And we will be adding a large epilepsy warning to our splash screen. I am almost certain that this update will hit the steam servers on March 30th and thus seamlessly make it onto everyone's machines when the game is installed on the 31st.

The March 30th update will also address some of the issues reported with the Russian version, but we'll provide more details with the patch notes once we know for sure what it'll contain. Obviously, we need to test the heck out of all the changes to make sure we don't introduce any new bugs while fixing the old ones (the team's favorite past time lately as it seems).

So there! Do a happy dance, I know I did.

[BSR_RuGGBuTT]

Thank god it's optional. I'm gonna buy now. Besides, I've been abusing alcohol, cocaine and sleeping with tons of prostitutes cuz I was hoping to get epilepsy. Now finally Oleg and his creation just may be the catalyst I was looking for............. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Panzer76]

Whew, thank a fake god!

[PlaneEater]

I know this won't get straight through to Ilya (Luthier), but I'll try anyhow...

Ilya, you and Oleg need to get new legal advisors RIGHT NOW. Whoever has been the intermediary between you and Ubisoft since PacFi is SCREWING YOU.

No rational or reasonable lawyer, in the US, Canada, the UK, or any western European nation, would give you the advice that you have apparently received. You got screwed by bad advice and translation with the Pac Fi debacle, and you nearly got screwed again here.

Fire your lawyer, find a new one, make sure he's fully fluent in both English and Russian.