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WilhelmSchulz.-
08-04-2005, 05:20 PM
I hate to say it but the U.S Navy sucks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Its 1942 and its my first patrol off the U.S coast. I allready met the historical aim of sinking the Jacob Jones. But then I went on to sink 4 more DDs and not a serous damage by depth charges in return, compressure and con tower thats all. But I did run into the Davy Crotet of the 4 incher. He gave me 8% damage. I said thank u by sinking him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Kaiser_W
08-04-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
I hate to say it but the U.S Navy sucks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif My first patrol off the U.S coast. I allready met the historical aim of sinking the Jacob Jones. But then I went on to sink 4 more DDs and not a serous damage by depth charges in return, compressure and con tower thats all. But I did run into the Davy Crotet of the 4 incher. He gave me 8% damage. I said thank u by sinking him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Try that again in '44..

hopkins32
08-04-2005, 06:30 PM
try that same task on 100% realism and you wont make it back. sounds like it was a fun patrol thow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-04-2005, 07:45 PM
Yea it was. Later after I want back to it I ran into the USS Roper. He gave me heavy bow flooding, 1 dead sailer, and 1 dead petty ofcer, god bless there soles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif. My medic treated 2 injured sailers, so he got the Iron Cross 2nd class. I hade a Das Boot moment where I sat on the bottom franticley reparing the damage and stoping the hevy flooding, they did it not a moment to soon. The campartment was allmost full. I was out of high presser air so I clawed my way up to the surface and sailed home. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

HimmelJaeger
08-04-2005, 08:14 PM
Hey bish, I'm in the Navy!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-04-2005, 09:26 PM
Im talking about the 1941 navy and in the game.

HauptmannCrunch
08-04-2005, 09:33 PM
From what I understand, if a German U-boat got into US waters in early WWII it would be like letting a fox lose in the hen house.
Nobody would expect it. Which raises the question...How did you get that far out with out milkcows? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

HimmelJaeger
08-04-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
Im talking about the 1941 navy and in the game.

I know man, it was a joke.

stljeffbb
08-04-2005, 09:54 PM
How did you get that far out with out milkcows?

If one goes at a slow or very slow speed in one of the larger boats the range is very far...I think it is quite possible, but it will take a long time.

Eagerly awating RuB 1.43

-Jeff

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-04-2005, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by HauptmannCrunch:
From what I understand, if a German U-boat got into US waters in early WWII it would be like letting a fox lose in the hen house.
Nobody would expect it. Which raises the question...How did you get that far out with out milkcows? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif The type IX U-Boat had the range to make it to the U.S coast. The first ship sunk in U.S waters was the 9,076t Cyclops on Januray 11 1942 100miles off Cape Cod. And a group of U-Boats spoted by a Army airplane moving on the surface was thought off as a group of fishing boats. Not untill a report of a "Large black submarine with long conning tower and gun forward"(basicly a IXC with a IXC/3 coning tower) was spoted moving South East. When it was spoted by the plane it submerged. For more info read Torpedo Junction.

HimmelJaeger
08-04-2005, 10:47 PM
The type VIIC could also reach the eastern seaboard by travelling the entire distance on ahead slow or ahead 1/3rd.

Funkasoar
08-04-2005, 11:29 PM
I'm just now reading a number of books which chart the war against the U-Boats and it described the entry of the US into the war as the U-Boat's second "happy time". Thing is that the petulant arrogant American Admirals refused to acknowledge the lessons learned from the British and went ahead and did everything the same way the Brits did in 39. It was only after the U-Boats were sinking 800 000+ tons a month that they decided to humble themselves.

Only thing I can say: Americans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

They never change http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

twistedpretzel
08-05-2005, 04:22 AM
Good job, you bashed america, would you like a cookie?

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-05-2005, 05:07 AM
Admaral Andrews who was in charge of the ASW of the U.S coast belived in the lessons the British lerand in 39. It was Admaral King that woulnt give hin any ships.

lecek
08-05-2005, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
Good job, you bashed america, would you like a cookie?

It is true that bashing the US is a bit of a fashion now a days, but countries make mistakes.

In this case he is correct, King ignored the british and tried to do things his own way and in the progress making all the same mistakes. Someone from kings office once siad something to the effect of "We want to learn our own lessons and we have the ships to do it with." The British reply was "Yes but not all of those bloody ships are yours, a lot of them are ours!"

At any rate IRL the US navy sucked at sinking U-boats for about 6 months starting in 1942. They had few destroyers that weren't out guarding the convoys. They never did enforce a blackout along the coast and U-boats regularly spotted ships by city light glow.

They did try a few q-ships, but the only one to meet a U-boat was sunk by same. (U-123)

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-05-2005, 08:44 AM
The Navy guards whos motto was Sighted sub sank same was turned(for the U.S coast)Sighted sub glub glub. And U- Boats had no respect for U.S DD's(i.e the Jacob Jones) and sub chasers where often mistakin as u boats, the U.S.G.C cutter Dione was ramed by merchent(merchent master was repremanded) and the ****erson was sheled by a fretgher.

stinkhammer6
08-05-2005, 09:04 AM
I bash america every day, I was in the american military for 8 years so I can do and say anything I wish about it. I only like the open gun laws and the hunting is easier to do here without a mile long stretch of paperwork, other than that, taco bell is the only american thing I like, I know its low grade dog food but it sure does taste good.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-05-2005, 09:19 AM
Toco Bell isnt american. Its mexican. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Missouri23
08-05-2005, 11:39 AM
Correction the taco isn't actually mexican food it was created by mexian immigrants in the US, so were nachos-they were first created in a Texas Diner, if you go to a real mexican resturant they don't serve tacos, they serve tortilla taquitos.

Anyway, I just had I ton of fun in Lock Ewe, I sank 11 DDs, 1 CL, 2 Armed Trawlers, and an Elco, I then sank more merchants and ended my patrol with 86,000 tons, 88% realism.

CRSutton
08-05-2005, 04:41 PM
Don't bash King too hard. He was a brilliant man working with limited resources. One policy decision that he made that proved to be critical was giving the utmost priority to protecting troop transport over merchant shipping. His philosphy was that the trauma and morale loss of one major troopship was more important than the loss of many merchants. Early in the war when escorts were in short supply, many merchants went to the bottom, but the US had a tremendous record of sucess protecting troopships and I don't know that many if any were lost.

Anyone?

stinkhammer6
08-05-2005, 05:15 PM
Like I care about the history of a taco, taco bell rocks.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-05-2005, 07:13 PM
No King was a ignarint son of a *****!!! It was Andrews who was working with limatid resources because King wanted all DD's ready for Japan or the German surface fleet.

Yen Lo
08-05-2005, 09:04 PM
"ignarint" Is that the same thing as ignorant?

Yen Lo
08-05-2005, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Funkasoar:
I'm just now reading a number of books which chart the war against the U-Boats and it described the entry of the US into the war as the U-Boat's second "happy time". Thing is that the petulant arrogant American Admirals refused to acknowledge the lessons learned from the British and went ahead and did everything the same way the Brits did in 39. It was only after the U-Boats were sinking 800 000+ tons a month that they decided to humble themselves.

Only thing I can say: Americans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

They never change http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Thats like the Bitish and their war in the Falklands, in hindsight I bet the wish they would have had air supremency, man they were losin ships left and right. I remeber watchin that war on the news every night to see what ships got sunk everynight.

stinkhammer6
08-06-2005, 07:10 AM
Same thing when the brits came to america, they got a giant boot in their stern pipe and arrived back home and the boot was still lodged there.

TheRealWulfmann
08-06-2005, 08:44 AM
British ships sunk every night? That would be 30 or so ships. Guess the officials must have lied about the 6 or so that were actually sunk.
I was in Argentina recently and did not meet one person that thought they had any right to invade the Falkland Islands. I met POWs of the Brits and they had nothing but high praise for their captures.
Argentina has a decent air force and when you put ships in harm's way, harm can come to them. But your indication of mass slaughter is inaccurate.

America was aware of what was coming to crush our enemies and could afford the losses. America made mistakes for sure, unlike Germany which made no such mistakes. Compare the overall blunders and the US looks pretty good. Our mistakes did not cost us the war. Germany's mistakes did. Talk about fuzzy math!!
Wulfmann

stinkhammer6
08-06-2005, 12:51 PM
Its great when one country bashes another country without thinking of all the faults they have currently and had in the past.

Kaleun1961
08-07-2005, 07:04 PM
To answer the question, the Americans didn't lose any troop ships. The U-boats enjoyed a brief second Happy Time in the Fall of '42 because so many escorts were held back for the Torch landings in North Africa. After those landings, the escorts returned to the Atlantic in time for the massacre of the U-boats in the Spring of '43.

Grey004
08-07-2005, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Yen Lo:


Thats like the Bitish and their war in the Falklands, in hindsight I bet the wish they would have had air supremency, man they were losin ships left and right. I remeber watchin that war on the news every night to see what ships got sunk everynight.

Maybe thats why the Argentine pilots called the Harriers "The Black Death".
And as far as I can remember,I don't recollect any British aircraft being shot down.
I say recollect because I was there.

There goes the Air Supremacy theory out of the window.

Someone may put me right,but I think only 5 maybe 6 ships were sunk,3 destroyers, a cargo and an LSL "Galahad".So you will agree,ships being sunk left and right,is just conjecture on your part.

I'm not after a long winded debate/argument,I'm only trying to put the facts straight.No offence intended.

Mylo42
08-07-2005, 10:44 PM
Stink,

What's your reason for hating the U.S. so much ? ....I mean, hating everything but the Taco's. Disgruntled military man maybe ?

Ya, it's been "en vogue" to bash the U.S. ever since Viet Nam. Sometimes deservingly, sometimes not....I suppose. Americans seem like they are getting tired of it. It's not hard to get a rise out of 'em anyway. Sometimes it's fun, depending who you get on the line http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif "hook and sinker". I don't blame some for being a little on the defensive side though. It's only human nature to be hated when you have everything (except good beer). I wouldn't take it too personally.

What do I know though, I'm only a dope smoking, "lets all hug each other" Canadian....but I don't take it too personally... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nanuk66
08-07-2005, 11:10 PM
Shultz,

Spell checker is your friend, please use it as your posts are getting harder and harder to read.
English may not be your first language which would explain alot but you'll never learn good english if you keep spelling stuff wrong!
No offense meant as i find your posts quite 'informative'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

'Same thing when the brits came to america, they got a giant boot in their stern pipe and arrived back home and the boot was still lodged there.'

Yeh, thats is exactly what happened, colonial.....

Desslock
08-08-2005, 01:35 AM
in the game, i was having a hard time in mid 1942 off the british mainland, DD's were becoming really good.

So i went off the USA: escorts turned out to be really easy to escape. The only problems were nasty Catalinas everywhere.

MBeck
08-08-2005, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by Missouri23:
Correction the taco isn't actually mexican food it was created by mexian immigrants in the US, so were nachos-they were first created in a Texas Diner, if you go to a real mexican resturant they don't serve tacos, they serve tortilla taquitos.

Anyway, I just had I ton of fun in Lock Ewe, I sank 11 DDs, 1 CL, 2 Armed Trawlers, and an Elco, I then sank more merchants and ended my patrol with 86,000 tons, 88% realism.
Is it possible to make it to Lock Ewe with a VIIC/41 from St. Nazaire?

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-08-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by NaNuK66:
Shultz,

Spell checker is your friend, please use it as your posts are getting harder and harder to read.
English may not be your first language which would explain alot but you'll never learn good english if you keep spelling stuff wrong!
No offense meant as i find your posts quite 'informative'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif 2 things. Is there a spell check on the post thingie??? And B, I was born and raised in america, though I am a bit of a redneck.(I live in N.Y not the south)

Dominicrigg
08-08-2005, 02:01 PM
wow did someone point out the falklands war as a british failure?

Is this the war they won outnumbered with no land based airfields, a handfull of aircraft and one hand tied behind their backs by diplomats?

Yeah great failure... So who owns the falkland islands now? Falkland islands is one of the great campaigns of modern warfare.

Though admitedly there were some failings, the worst and almost funny example was when they parked the atlantic conveyer ship in the bay. In a documentry it showed some squaddies looking out over the bay at the ship.

"They leaving that there all night?"

Mused the first.

"Yeah, looks like it." Says his friend.

"Wont be there in the morning..." Says the first.

Sure enough it got sank... Strange squaddies could see the danger but not the top brass!

American offered to loan (i dont know if they wanted money like the "loans" of WW2) a Carrier. But it was realised they would need an american crew to work it. Which could cause problems diplomatically so the Brits turned it down. They thought without a carrier there would be no chance for the Brits. But it was proven otherwise, and made the Harrier the hottest property in aviation.

Thats one of the reasons British train soldiers and Navies all over the world. Super skills.

P.S Well done to the British navy in rescuing russian submariners. The funding may be getting tighter and tighter but they still do a great job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stinkhammer6
08-08-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Mylo42:
Stink,

What's your reason for hating the U.S. so much ? ....I mean, hating everything but the Taco's. Disgruntled military man maybe ?

Ya, it's been "en vogue" to bash the U.S. ever since Viet Nam. Sometimes deservingly, sometimes not....I suppose. Americans seem like they are getting tired of it. It's not hard to get a rise out of 'em anyway. Sometimes it's fun, depending who you get on the line http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif "hook and sinker". I don't blame some for being a little on the defensive side though. It's only human nature to be hated when you have everything (except good beer). I wouldn't take it too personally.

What do I know though, I'm only a dope smoking, "lets all hug each other" Canadian....but I don't take it too personally... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Urm I think you are confused in my posts, I was using sarcasm and some reality mixed so you probably took it as all negative.

Yen Lo
08-08-2005, 04:10 PM
Lol look at the mess i made. No, I didnt mean literally that a ship got sunk everynight, but it was horrible to watch a modern navy take a beating like that. I mean 17 out of 66 ships got hit or sunk, out of a 30 or so day war ,thats one everyother day. Id call that alot for a modern navy, BUT thats just me. ROFL. BTW you can keep trollin and flamin I dont really care. hehe Ill check back later.

Also how many active duty ships did the brits have at that time? Dont we have a treaty with all other countries in this hemisphere againt going to war with oneanother(cant remeber about that).

TheRealWulfmann
08-08-2005, 06:02 PM
With 5 or 6 sunk your observations are downright amusing. (I DD Sheffield, 2 Frigates, the containership and LSL, was there a sixth???)
I guess you think the Japanese kicked butt at Midway and the Philippine Sea?
Without land based support the Royal navy travels to the bottom of the globe and took out an entrenched enemy and you act like they took a beating?
I have no animosity for Argentina, a beautiful place and their pilots fought with great skill and pride but, they got beat by the Brits fair and square (I have been there and they are convinced they got creamed, guess they need to hear your version€"(THEY WON!!!!)
The fact the old radar picket was ineffective (The USN does not use that, we use the baby AWACs off carriers) was their only deficiency. They went to the Jump jet with the ramp deck on their carriers and lacked AWACs.

I bet Yen Lo is pulling our chain, no one can believe that, well Saddam when he won the first Gulf War touted his great military victory. So maybe some might think Argentina won???? Not in Argentina!!! ROTF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BTW, the Harrier was not the only weapon to come out of that war as a hot item. The Exocit missile did well.

Wulfmann

Mr._Snavely
08-08-2005, 06:41 PM
The lessons from the Falkland War:

1. Close-in AA should be improved.
2. Use of light-alloy (Aluminium) in the superstructure to save weight is a drawback, since it can burn.

Of course UK won but their amount of loss was unacceptable.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Did U know that the only shots fired by a nuclear sub was fired in the Falkland War? Now how did we get to this subject???

Mr._Snavely
08-08-2005, 07:01 PM
Yes this forum is about submarines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HMS Conqueror took the antique cruiser General Belgrano down.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-08-2005, 07:05 PM
With 2 WW2 MK14 steam fish I may add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

shaggyofwv
08-08-2005, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
I bash america every day, I was in the american military for 8 years so I can do and say anything I wish about it. I only like the open gun laws and the hunting is easier to do here without a mile long stretch of paperwork, other than that, taco bell is the only american thing I like, I know its low grade dog food but it sure does taste good.

DO us a favor, or me personally, and get the f**k out if you dislike this great country so much. Try living in Africa or Pakistan, I am sure you would come crawling back. I am glad you are no longer a member of our great armed forces, it is the better for it now that you are out!

stinkhammer6
08-08-2005, 07:38 PM
Yet another brit trying to make up for their country getting their stern pipes handed to them and bragging about beating a country such as argentina. Boston Tea Party ring a bell? Cheerio old chap and now go eat a crumpet.

Yen Lo
08-08-2005, 07:52 PM
Well i was only in for 4 years, I cant say I hate it, but it dont hurt my feelings when people speak the truth about us. My brother in law just emigrated from England to the US and is about to give up his British citizenship. Hes happy here. laters

TheRealWulfmann
08-08-2005, 08:10 PM
Yen Lo,
I hate to blow your ego bubble, but I am amused by your lack of knowledge and pretense to have some. I have no hate for you at all. You think much more of yourself than I do, sorry.
Also, that idiom you are unfamiliar with; does not mean a fact is an opinion but thanks for reminding me that I should not use local dialect which can be confusing to those from other areas or English is not their first language.
You see when someone either intentionally or mistakenly incorrectly relates historical information as fact, when it is anything but fact; I feel compelled to correct as in the case of you inference to the resounding defeat of the Brits in the Falkland War.
Sorry you feel the need to provoke others to hate and derive pleasure from that. But, you will have to look elsewhere as I have no such negative feeling.
Not even sure what all the fuss is over Stink. He is just expressing his views which some seem he alone shares, LOL, but that is his right. We all have the right to offer an opinion. Insinuating the Brits got beat well what€s next in your mind? Blair is not PM??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Wulfmann

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-08-2005, 08:17 PM
ENOUGH WITH THE FOOD!!!

Yen Lo
08-08-2005, 08:25 PM
Naw more food its the top thread of the page!!

Nanuk66
08-08-2005, 08:56 PM
Boston Tea Party ring a bell?

Yeah, isnt that where some British got dressed up as Indians and boarded some ships in Boston harbour and chucked some boxed tea overboard? Thats something to celebrate.....!

I guess that makes up for getting a lashing in Vietnam! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dominicrigg
08-09-2005, 09:01 AM
Lmao, funny i was thinking the same thing.

P.S why the American hostility towards the Royal Navy? Is it some player hating thing? I thought we were allies no? Makes me wonder...


Some good news anyway. Russians are buying the British rescue gear at last! Good news for their sub crews.



Russia to buy British submarine rescue equipment
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's navy, under fire over its efforts to save a mini-submarine trapped in the Pacific last week, will buy two vehicles of the type the government used to help free the vessel, a top official was quoted as saying on Tuesday.

After the rescue, media and Russian opposition politicians asked why Britain could fly to the other side of the world to mount a rescue operation, while Russia could not do so in its own waters.

EFileTahi-A
08-09-2005, 10:36 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/EFileTahi-A/Women/Tina_Grant_Getting_Hot.jpg

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-09-2005, 12:35 PM
What??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

TheRealWulfmann
08-09-2005, 01:37 PM
EFileTahi-A

Cut that out!!! You're steaming up my periscope lens!!!

Nice picture of you, the shirt fits very nicely!!!

Wulfmann

twistedpretzel
08-09-2005, 02:11 PM
I guess that makes up for getting a lashing in Vietnam!

Kill death ratio says, "NO!"

stinkhammer6
08-09-2005, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by shaggyofwv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
I bash america every day, I was in the american military for 8 years so I can do and say anything I wish about it. I only like the open gun laws and the hunting is easier to do here without a mile long stretch of paperwork, other than that, taco bell is the only american thing I like, I know its low grade dog food but it sure does taste good.

DO us a favor, or me personally, and get the f**k out if you dislike this great country so much. Try living in Africa or Pakistan, I am sure you would come crawling back. I am glad you are no longer a member of our great armed forces, it is the better for it now that you are out! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm well I have lived in north africa and you guessed it, pakistan on my middle eastern tour. So now what tough guy? Screw the USA, I use the flag as toilet paper. Now what you gonna do? Im an american and live here, I can say and do as I wish, lest some kid in here who thinks they can tell others what to do, like leave and go away, you couldnt make a turd sink let alone anything else. And as for the military being better that I was honorably discharged and no longer a part of it? I had 4 troops who were under my command go AWOL when I left and all referred to me as being the reason, if I was leaving, so were they.

Coming from a kid who never put HER Name on the dotted line I dont expect much from you anyways, so now what tough guy?

stinkhammer6
08-09-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by NaNuK66:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Boston Tea Party ring a bell?

Yeah, isnt that where some British got dressed up as Indians and boarded some ships in Boston harbour and chucked some boxed tea overboard? Thats something to celebrate.....!

I guess that makes up for getting a lashing in Vietnam! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Typical brit, trying desperately to rewrite history. Tell us all about Scotland, being its connected to england, and how they whipped the mortal dog sheisse out of england? Now go and rewrite that historical fact.

stinkhammer6
08-09-2005, 05:05 PM
And I bet this kid also, never signed up for any military either, too scared I bet, typical brit. Hows the subways over there? Oh .... urm...........

Yen Lo
08-09-2005, 06:24 PM
Hmm so tell me was it 5 ships or 6 that got sunk? Then 10 or 11 damaged, I was going google it but I just cant get myself to care about it
Id say that losing one would be to much, esp. the human loss. Though going down there to kick someones azz would be satisfying till I remembered that most of the Argentine army was conscripted, and its tough gettin a good fight out those turds.
I agree with Mr Snavely(sry sp) the UK won as it should, but at what cost? They UK should have went in there got the folks out then sprayed that carp hole with Agent Orange till it glowed and everything died then gave it back to Argentina.( Now I heard they got good steaks down there)
Well at least your boy Blair(or rather George's girl) decided to start kickin out your guests who dont like you. BTW is it true that the UK payed those 4 guys like 800,000 pounds to live in the UK?
No I dont have anything against the Royal Navy or England. I just wonder why you all let them in your country.
BTW your right the Brits didnt lose 30 ships cause that would be half the force there, almost.
BTWW its ROFL, rollin on the floor, NOT ROFT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Nanuk66
08-09-2005, 07:01 PM
Kill death ratio says, "NO!"

Land gained and enemies conquered says YES!


Tell us all about Scotland, being its connected to england, and how they whipped the mortal dog sheisse out of england? Now go and rewrite that historical fact.

WTF are you on about? Please tell me in which war with England did Scotland come out the victor. As far as im aware Scotland is still part of Great Britain......


And I bet this kid also, never signed up for any military either, too scared I bet, typical brit.

If your refering to me then yes ive never signed up for any military service.

I guess you could say that im the kinda guy who sends thick grunts like yourself to the frontline to do my killing for me. I sit back at home making lots of cash and shagging the women you servicemen have left behind while you go off fighting on foreign soil believing your fighting for the 'free world'....lol!


Hows the subways over there?

Pretty good tbh. I mean im sure that its not much difference to yours.

The only thing thats changed recently is that a Subway melt is now called a ham and bacon melt, but thats ok cause the new Italian herbs and cheese type of bread is so good cause it goes with any type of sandwich.

Yen Lo
08-09-2005, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by NaNuK66:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kill death ratio says, "NO!"

Land gained and enemies conquered says YES!


Tell us all about Scotland, being its connected to england, and how they whipped the mortal dog sheisse out of england? Now go and rewrite that historical fact.

WTF are you on about? Please tell me in which war with England did Scotland come out the victor. As far as im aware Scotland is still part of Great Britain......


And I bet this kid also, never signed up for any military either, too scared I bet, typical brit.

If your refering to me then yes ive never signed up for any military service.

I guess you could say that im the kinda guy who sends thick grunts like yourself to the frontline to do my killing for me. I sit back at home making lots of cash and shagging the women you servicemen have left behind while you go off fighting on foreign soil believing your fighting for the 'free world'....lol!


Hows the subways over there?

Pretty good tbh. I mean im sure that its not much difference to yours.

The only thing thats changed recently is that a Subway melt is now called a ham and bacon melt, but thats ok cause the new Italian herbs and cheese type of bread is so good cause it goes with any type of sandwich. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only brit that I ever heard of gettin any is Austin Powers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif jus jkin. Oh and Tom Jones who once hit on a coworker of mine. She says she turned him down , but ya never know. later

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-09-2005, 08:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gifENOUGH THIS A SUB SIM FORUM!!!

TheRealWulfmann
08-09-2005, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Yen Lo: Though going down there to kick someones azz would be satisfying till I remembered that most of the Argentine army was conscripted, and its tough gettin a good fight out those turds.
( Now I heard they got good steaks down there)


You are correct about the conscripts. The military government was about to fall and staged a phony war to hold on to power for another year to rob the country and put money away in foreign banks before their downfall. They knew it was hopeless and none of the "real" units went there.
The Falkland Islands were uninhabited until the Brits took it. It was never a part of Argentina which is a mixture of Europeans with no more claim to Argentina than the Brits to the Falklands. They killed all the natives and shipped the slaves back to Africa and built statues of the men responsible. €œWho is that guy on the horse?, Oh, he is national hero, he killed all the Indians.€ Seriously!!
And my goodness the beef is great in Argentina. And so is the chocolate. They have a double chocolate cookie with a caramel nugget center called "Alfa*****" that is amazing, almost worth going there for the beef and cookies and it has the most beautiful scenery in SA.
While Argentina should be one of the wealthiest nations in the world, the governments constantly loot the treasury and keep them in financial ruin.
Wulfmann

PsychoFritz
08-09-2005, 09:51 PM
Um...I thought we were allies here...the Brits and the Americans. The Europeans have always been verbally attacking the US since it was founded because we don't do things the "superior" European way. But I guess as long as there are messageboards there will be trolls who go searching for a pointless, emotional, conversation which just keeps going in useless circles. I think its safe to say that we are all here because we like sims and WWII history so why are some people trying to create hostility? I guess its easier to just blame and hate the US for the problems in the world instead of having to face the real hard facts.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-09-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by PsychoFritz:
Um...I thought we were allies here...the Brits and the Americans. The Europeans have always been verbally attacking the US since it was founded because we don't do things the "superior" European way. But I guess as long as there are messageboards there will be trolls who go searching for a pointless, emotional, conversation which just keeps going in useless circles. I think its safe to say that we are all here because we like sims and WWII history so why are some people trying to create hostility? I guess its easier to just blame and hate the US for the problems in the world instead of having to face the real hard facts. PsychoFritz has a point here. We bailed out Europe's *** twice in the last century. So they shoulnt Bash us.

Poacher886a
08-10-2005, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
Same thing when the brits came to america, they got a giant boot in their stern pipe and arrived back home and the boot was still lodged there.

Uhh? explain please??

twistedpretzel
08-10-2005, 01:00 AM
wanna hear ****ing superior?

cant find one **** house in wiesbaden with any storage space for stuff like bikes, you guys do not know how to make houses, if you had half good architects you culd get so much more room out of a place. and whats the deal with realtors getting paid by the buyer? They are doing the seller a service, and they need districts, its **** confusing sometimes with all the realtors.

wanna see superior? McDonalds, one in every country, FAST food, full of fat, nastyness, and mckill, everyone buys it, thats superior.

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
And I bet this kid also, never signed up for any military either, too scared I bet, typical brit. Hows the subways over there? Oh .... urm...........

Signing up with the army is not a sign of bravery. Not in Great Britain nor anywhere.

The Army is ideial for thugs whose muscles think for them. Note, that am not saying that the army is ONLY for thugs, only sying that these kind of people fit EXTREMELY well there.

The army trains people to deal in many situations in war, and specially how to kill human beings. And that's what army basically is all about. Since war does nothing else then injury pople I really can't say how usefull is signing up with the army, unless you (in general) don't have the capability/choice of doing anything and have to sign up with army as final resort for living. Well, you can also join the army because you like weapons and all that bellic stuff, yet, having morons scream at your hears all day long...

If Earth had outter space enimies it would make since for having people to sign up with the army, but no, Humans are so infamous that kill them selfs basically just for power. So, there is need of tranning people to kill another people, mostly, just in case of precaution and "defensive" reasons, you know, terrorism and all the other bad guys. I agree with this as long it is "honestly" applyed...

Bravery for me is to Sign up with the Red Cross and helping our fellow ones either after natural catastrofics or due the tirany and the destrucitve power of other countries.

B*ll cr*ap for me is all that is related to the army and politics and all the prophit that is made with weapon selling for the killings of our bloody brothers...

OH yeah, and I was almost going to forget this.
I understand that the army designed the ideal man for the human-race. That is, a male don't cry cooze it's a woman thing, yet he must join the army and drink alot of alchool to be considered a man.

blueparrott1967
08-10-2005, 02:50 AM
Isn't it funny really how a post which basically describes US escort lack of efficiency in THE GAME quickly degenerates into a transatlantic slugfest!

Not to mention the leap required to enter a discussion of the Falklands war and domestic argentinian politics.

I am not complaining, just observing that it is amazing the direction these discussions can take and the utter unpredictability of a forum syuch as this.

My only other comment is...Guys, can't we at least TRY to be grown-up and have a constructive discussion?

OK, you can **** me now. :-)

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by blueparrott1967:
Isn't it funny really how a post which basically describes US escort lack of efficiency in THE GAME quickly degenerates into a transatlantic slugfest!


Conversations are like this. You can start a talk with some friend of yours about his female cousin and end up talking about coca-cola.

Theres nothing funny about this. At least this is what I think.

But I do think it's funny when someone posts like: "Guys, can't we at least TRY to be grown-up and have a constructive discussion?" trying to make the impression that "he" is a good and reasonable fellow and that he never argue with anyone unless it's constructive talk...

Hey, this is your first post.
Welcome aboard!

blueparrott1967
08-10-2005, 03:20 AM
That conversations can go off in unexpected directions...Yes, I completely agree with you.
But what gets me in these ones are the basic lack of any underlying respect for other peoples opinions.

...and the obvoius fact also is that this forum is created and mantained for people playing and enjoying a WWII submarine gema.

I am as happy discussing anything underneath the sun as the next one, sp don't get me wrong. I just think that you should think a little bit on where you decide to do it.

Sorry for for extending this thread even more off topic than it already is.

Lukey__b
08-10-2005, 03:23 AM
Well, at least us Brits finish the wars we start.
Vietnam you lost. Afghanistan, just last night I was watching how insurgents(sp) took an American position, with pictures of some dead US soldiers and the Arabs playing with their new found weapons. Iraq, everyday a bomb.
So, comparing these 3 wars with the Falklands, id say we Brits did pretty well.

Only kidding. Of course the UKs in the latter wars also. I remember at the begining of the invasion of Iraq, we Brits lost more men to the Yanks than Iraqis, lol.

And the Brits are so stupid we re-elect a leader who took us to a war 60+% of the population dont want, then we're surprised we get bombed.

You see, all this nationalistic **** makes no sense at all. I wasnt in the falklands so I couldnt care at all if you have something negative to say about it. Just like I wasnt alive and neither were most of you when America helped Europe out twice before, which means I owe you squat and your trying to take credit for your fathers/grandfathers work.
You can even **** off my countries football team, just because theyre from within the same borders as I am, doesnt make their success, failure a reflection of me.

I bloody hate nationalism, it leads to **** like this, generalising people.....
And for your information stink... I dont like crumpets... so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

P.S. I mean no disrespect to the US soldiers in relation to my first paragraph. Just trying to illustrate a point.

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by blueparrott1967:
But what gets me in these ones are the basic lack of any underlying respect for other peoples opinions.


That's the hole problem with some ppl here. They just cannot give away their opinion without insulting no one... I agree you.



Sorry for for extending this thread even more off topic than it already is.
[/QUOTE]

LOL! It is hopeless, it will go off topic more and more until people get bother of it or some moderator locks it. I don't think there is no reason to lock it at the momment but, if things get really nasty, it will be locked for sure.

It is also good to have such kind of discussions in forums. It energizes the forum and we get to know people better.

twistedpretzel
08-10-2005, 04:28 AM
Only kidding. Of course the UKs in the latter wars also. I remember at the begining of the invasion of Iraq, we Brits lost more men to the Yanks than Iraqis, lol.


That was the first gulf war mind you.

As for who leaves wars unfinished.... Have you blatantly forgot how america came to be? That came around and stabbed you in the back, didnt it.

Dominicrigg
08-10-2005, 04:53 AM
OHHH MY GOD!!!

What history do some of you get taught? Quick history lesson for the confused people.

America was an English colony, Americans are ENGLISH, hence the fact they speak english (with spelling worse then mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif hehe joke). France and England both colonised america, fighting for supremecy, after a long struggle this was won by England. Then began the governence of North America, but the English colonists decided, now that England had saved them from French occupation they wanted greater freedom, (basically no taxes and more trade)

So The english in American decided they didnt want to pay taxes. France (hating england) decided they would help the english colonists gain independance in the hope it would weaken British colonial power. Also to try to get revenge for losing (again) to england in a war.

Britain tried to hold on to the colonies (knowing it was a near impossible task as it was the entire atlantic away and most all colonies rebelled). They tried with a few resources, doing pretty well in most cases. It seemed an impossible task. As we are shown over and over again, you cant rule people who dont want to be ruled. Britain had to settle for holding on to the islands in the carribean.

There is a battle where afterwards the english invited the american general over for dinner, the french couldnt believe it, moments before they had been at war. This should give you an idea of the situation, feelings were not really running high on the British side.

Independance was won, the English colonists didnt have to pay taxes to the crown anymore. The new leaders got the colonists to pay taxes to them instead getting rich.

The english then became known as Americans. kicked out the real Americans "Indians" and stole their land, killing a few along the way. The rest as they say, is history.


Where in this is the unfinished war which stabbed england in the back? Have i been taught a different version of events?

Please share because im genuinly interested in hearing how each country is taught history. Its interesting to see the differences.

Gill1981
08-10-2005, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
OHHH MY GOD!!!

What history do some of you get taught? Quick history lesson for the confused people.

America was an English colony, Americans are ENGLISH, hence the fact they speak english (with spelling worse then mine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif hehe joke). France and England both colonised america, fighting for supremecy, after a long struggle this was won by England. Then began the governence of North America, but the English colonists decided, now that England had saved them from French occupation they wanted greater freedom, (basically no taxes and more trade)

So The english in American decided they didnt want to pay taxes. France (hating england) decided they would help the english colonists gain independance in the hope it would weaken British colonial power. Also to try to get revenge for losing (again) to england in a war.

Britain tried to hold on to the colonies (knowing it was a near impossible task as it was the entire atlantic away and most all colonies rebelled). They tried with a few resources, doing pretty well in most cases. It seemed an impossible task. As we are shown over and over again, you cant rule people who dont want to be ruled. Britain had to settle for holding on to the islands in the carribean.

There is a battle where afterwards the english invited the american general over for dinner, the french couldnt believe it, moments before they had been at war. This should give you an idea of the situation, feelings were not really running high on the British side.

Independance was won, the English colonists didnt have to pay taxes to the crown anymore. The new leaders got the colonists to pay taxes to them instead getting rich.

The english then became known as Americans. kicked out the real Americans "Indians" and stole their land, killing a few along the way. The rest as they say, is history.


Where in this is the unfinished war which stabbed england in the back? Have i been taught a different version of events?

Please share because im genuinly interested in hearing how each country is taught history. Its interesting to see the differences.

You're forgetting the Dutch! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

twistedpretzel
08-10-2005, 05:29 AM
Sorry to say, you got it wrong, you basically sugared it up making the brits look better then they were.

There were no problems until taxation without representation occured after the french and indian war, or, to you guys, the seven year war.

Basically the colonists had no say in how they were taxed since they had no representative in the parliament.

The americans helped the english fight the french, a young Col. Washington was actaully captured by the french if my memory serves me right. The french and english were going at it all over the globe, well, at least where they populated the globe. With the help of the colonists in north america the english won all around, for the reason you gave the brits not being able to win the revolution, the atlantic ocean.

That brits, winning this war, felt the impact on their economy, they had to get money back, and they figured well, the north american colonists should by all means pay for the war since it took place in their honor. So they begin giving out all kinds of crazy taxes, im not joking. The Boston tea party was an act against the tea tax. You had to pay tax to be able to burry someone after death, it was insane the things the colonoists paid for through taxation.

A congress was formed for peace mind you. Events like the boston massacre only made things worse.

Near the climax, right before the whole war started, a second continental congress actually sent what would have been a large jump towards peace to the english islands. The king reacted too hastily and got the olive branch after the fighting had commenced.

The king had a grand idea to kill the revolution before it started, which totally backfired and instead started the revolution. British soldiers were sent to take a cache of weapons and arrest some political figures in what becomes known as the battle of lexington and concorde, thus sparking the revolution.

Then came famous events, like battle for bunker hill which only served as a moral booster for the hill was taken by the brits but not without great loss and the americans only retreated for they had run out of ammunition, or Washington hunkering down in Valley forge training his men with the help of the french etc. etc. In fact, the french didnt do as much as people like to think in most cases, there was one dedicated frenchman to the colonists cause, the rest of the french government just wanted to hurt england. I forgot the mans name, but he was responsible for much training. There was also several thousand french troops doing nothing for a year or two on long island.

The only real help the french gave in any military way was blockading yorktown to prevent the english escape with 14 ships.


Independance was won, the English colonists didnt have to pay taxes to the crown anymore. The new leaders got the colonists to pay taxes to them instead getting rich.

Not quite either. There was a large power suction for who would lead the 13 colonies, at first, each colony wanted its own ruler to be king of the new colonies, they soon realised this was too much like the english, and formed the constitution and a final congress to represent the people.

If you have ever read the constitution, or even the pre amble, you would know them getting rich was not the case.

We can continue to the democratic republic that formed in america which is often confused with a democracy, be aware people, there are large differences, one being electoral colleges.

Back then the people didnt have fast transportation or good communication, therefor electoral colleges played a large role in electing presidents, they were quite effective back then. Now with better forms of communication they are ultimately shunned, no one likes them anymore because the popular vote is quite accurate these days, or so they would like you to believe.


Please share because im genuinly interested in hearing how each country is taught history. Its interesting to see the differences.

The only thing interesting is how you left out important parts and glazed over others, now, if i had just taken early american history i could have given a better run down, but its been a while and a lot has escaped my mind, seems like it has escaped your mind aswell.

twistedpretzel
08-10-2005, 05:32 AM
not too bad for going over a day without sleep and it being 430 in the morning if you ask me.

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 05:37 AM
That's up boys, keep it going...

Am going to get more popcorns, BRB...

Celeon999
08-10-2005, 06:46 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Am i the only one who remembers the old thread "brits vs. americans" by now ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROUND 2 !

...im curios who wins ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Wheres that popcorn ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Am i the only one who remembers the old thread "brits vs. americans" by now ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROUND 2 !

...im curios who wins ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Wheres that popcorn ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LOOOOL! Here you go. Plus, a huge coca-cola.
Now lets settle down. It can start at any minute...

Dominicrigg
08-10-2005, 08:55 AM
Didn't escape my mind. I said a "quick history lesson" not a blow by blow account of the war. I couldnt be arsed with that.

I dont see what your post adds to the situation apart from point of view. Interesting nonetheless! I think my favourite historical fact was the bit about the few thousand French on an island doing nothing for a few years. That made me laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

At getting rich wasnt the case? I admire your faith in humanity. But check into who started the uprising, and what positions these people were in bofore and after the uprising. Check their "fiscal" situations before and after http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But hey, i suppose that just came with the honour of all that work for "freedom" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Wow even in that "historical" hollywood film by mel gibson with all the evil english murderers, they show at the end they have just replaced the king with a new group of moneygrabbers. (Yes i managed to sit through that drivel, though its up there with Braveheart and That jon bon jovi sub film for historical travesties lmao)

So do you not pay taxes now in America then?

P.S im not anti US, infact i have relations in America and think they are cool (though they pronounce defence and potato in strange ways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif). Im just anti butt head, eg the people that think they saved the world (whatever country they are from), insult other countries accomplishments and just want to cause/watch arguments caus they get some childish kick from it.

TheRealWulfmann
08-10-2005, 09:50 AM
Well, considering the 1918 Doughboy cry was €œLafayette we are here€ I will guess you mean, Pierre? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

It was not a Frenchmen that trained the US army; it was a Prussian Field Marshall. The difference might well be why we won!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Wulfmann http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Lukey__b
08-10-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
That was the first gulf war mind you.

As for who leaves wars unfinished.... Have you blatantly forgot how america came to be? That came around and stabbed you in the back, didnt it.

And the recent one, there was a point near the begining where 'friendly' fire from Americans caused most of our casualties.

But, I think you missed my point.
I dont care how America came to be, because what my country did a couple of hundred years ago is no reflection on me. Just as its sad to brag about what your country accomplished back then, asif it somehow makes you look better. So no war came and stabbed me in the back... mainly because I wasnt alive back then.
Seriously, if some guy from crappy Mongolia came on bragging about Ghengis(sp) you'd tell him to get a life.

Celeon999
08-10-2005, 11:46 AM
Round 3 ! Bong!

Who will be the first one that goes down ?
Will we see a moralic or a historical knock out tonight ? Or will the referee end the fight due to friendly fire ?

Whatever ! I want good clean fight !

Stay tuned ladies and gentlemen ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-10-2005, 12:51 PM
Can we get back to the subject of the post or forem??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

EFileTahi-A
08-10-2005, 02:02 PM
Ok, the boss asks his secretary to make him some coffee. While she was doing coffee one of her hear rings felt inside the cup. Since the cup already contained coffee, how did she maneged to remove the hear ring completely dry???

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-10-2005, 03:04 PM
LOL. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif sorry

twistedpretzel
08-10-2005, 03:53 PM
Didn't escape my mind. I said a "quick history lesson" not a blow by blow account of the war. I couldnt be arsed with that.

Then dont bull**** around acting like you need to teach someone history when you 'cant be arsed' to do a good ****ing job about it.

You simply thought wrong, and that came back and kicked you in the ***, with you 'history lesson for confused people' real confused eh.



So do you not pay taxes now in America then?

Yes, we pay taxes for roads, schools, hospitals, nothing outrageous anymore, and we are represented, we arent taxed without any say in it, ever few months a ballot comes in the mail saying should there be a so and so tax it would help with this, that, and cost this much each year.


P.S im not anti US, infact i have relations in America and think they are cool (though they pronounce defence and potato in strange ways Red Face). Im just anti butt head, eg the people that think they saved the world (whatever country they are from), insult other countries accomplishments and just want to cause/watch arguments caus they get some childish kick from it.

The way you 'taught a history lesson' that was half arsed it seems to me you were quite anti american, even lazy people would not have left out half the stuff you did, or even write it like that unless they had an anti american agenda.

You simply thought you were better then me at history, you said, i want to feel like a big man, so you did a half arsed job at trying to make me look bad, and it didnt work, so you tried to save your *** with your latest post, you simply arent good at anything.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-10-2005, 03:54 PM
What r we talking about??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

stinkhammer6
08-10-2005, 05:13 PM
We are talking about how the brits never heard of a dentist let alone a tooth brush. If a brit falls face down you can grab its ankles and use it for a rake.

rory208
08-10-2005, 05:49 PM
OK so a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar...

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 01:51 AM
woah woah woah, just saw this.


few thousand French on an island doing nothing for a few years. That made me laugh

Fact, the french were on LONG Island, not an island, for two years, and did jack except train.

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 01:54 AM
jesus christ.

You take fact and laugh in it, then go on about how we till pay taxes.

How idiotic, you are pathetic, you have no clue how a large succesful government works, you dont even live in america, you have no clue what goes on here other then what you want to think, which may i remind you isnt much since you live in europe, and somehow, some way, still havent switched to the EURO.

blueparrott1967
08-11-2005, 03:28 AM
OK, I know I am going to regret this! :-)

So, you have to live in america to understand how a large succesful government works? Is that what you are saying? And according to whom...what are you criteria for saying so?

Also, you don't have to live somewhere to have an idea of what goes on somewhere else. In fact sometimes having an outside-looking-in perspective can make you see things morre clearly It's all a matter of what information you have and how reliable it is.

Does living i europe make you ignorant and incapable of having a valid opinion?
...and exactly how does the decision to switch to the euro or not come into it. We haven't done it either(no, I'm not from that country...another one. :-))

Who will give me any odds of this thread actually turning into a constructive debate...no matter the subject.

" would rather be almost right, than completely wrong"

Dominicrigg
08-11-2005, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
jesus christ.

You take fact and laugh in it, then go on about how we till pay taxes.

How idiotic, you are pathetic, you have no clue how a large succesful government works, you dont even live in america, you have no clue what goes on here other then what you want to think, which may i remind you isnt much since you live in europe, and somehow, some way, still havent switched to the EURO.

To quote johnny depp

"Huh? You're wierd."

Who is being abusive? Yes, that is a big failing of ours to have not switched to the Euro. How dumb Britain is, dumb dumb! Your a master of economics too i guess? lol French on long island doing nothing cept training. Poor French, after all that help they gave now you moved on to bashing them!

Bash the allies, its a good idea for making more freinds.

I can't be arsed even "arguing" with you anymore, never mind anymore speed history lessons. Though im tempted to do a speed Alexander the Great just for fun. Or I can do a speed "History of the World". Thats my favourite. Anyone want to hear it?

"But you left out the bit where he "polished" his sword! Your rubbish."

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 03:45 AM
Im not bashing the french in any way, your the man who sugared up what really happened and made it sound like one day while the king was out for a walk a lawn dart hit him in the butt and suddenly we were at war.

I told you how the french helped, that is no lie.

A french man trained our officers in valley forge, his government didnt like it, but sent troops. Those troops trained (by themselves) on long island for two years. The french proceeded to blockade yorktown with 14 ships preventing the english escape.

If you are a master of my countries revolution i can be a master of your economics.

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by rory208:
OK so a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar...

LOL!

Still, does anyone know how did the secretary removed the ear ring dry from the cup?

Messervy
08-11-2005, 04:16 AM
"Ach" as my friend Bockholt would say. Another semi imperial argument. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I would like to help you here Dom, but I must admit I am clueless about that period of history.
Good thing about Empires is that they have a tendency to decline and somehow they all make the same mistakes over and over again.

Keep it up lads just don`t push it too far.

No EFiletahi-a! I am clueless about that as well.

doug.d
08-11-2005, 04:32 AM
does anyone know how did the secretary removed the ear ring dry from the cup?
She put coffee in but hadn't added the water yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Messervy
08-11-2005, 04:36 AM
NESCAFFE!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by doug.d:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">does anyone know how did the secretary removed the ear ring dry from the cup?
She put coffee in but hadn't added the water yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly!

Now, a more complicated one. No person that I know ever discovered this one:

You have a glass bottle.
Inside the bottle there is a coin.
The bottle is closed with a cork cap (I don't know if it haves this name).

So, How do you remove the coin without breaking, doing any hole on the bottle nor removing the bottle's cap?

Hoatee
08-11-2005, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
Good job, you bashed america, would you like a cookie?

He'll probably get an infected one anyway - no need to ask.

HelpfulParadox
08-11-2005, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
Admaral Andrews who was in charge of the ASW of the U.S coast belived in the lessons the British lerand in 39. It was Admaral King that woulnt give hin any ships.

i too want to be a admaral, where can i apply?

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 07:28 AM
No. Wrong answers...

Messervy
08-11-2005, 08:56 AM
Does the neck of the bottle allow a coin to pass trough?

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-11-2005, 10:10 AM
Its a Gatoragrade bottle. u know how wide there bottle necks are.

TheRealWulfmann
08-11-2005, 10:13 AM
Twistedpretzel, you are mistaken.
The army at Valley Forge was trained by a Prussian Field Marshall hired by Washington to turn his men into a real army. While little known many believe this man was the reason for the victory at Yorktown which would not have been possible without the help of the French Navy. Hence; Lafayette we are here in 1918.
Wulfmann

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-11-2005, 10:23 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gifWhat r we talking about??? could we at least get back to navel topics?

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Messervy:
Does the neck of the bottle allow a coin to pass trough?

Yes it does.

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
Its a Gatoragrade bottle. u know how wide there bottle necks are.

Imagine a normal wine bottle...

TheRealWulfmann
08-11-2005, 10:46 AM
WS,
did I not metion the french Navy in my post? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Wulfmann

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-11-2005, 10:53 AM
U drill a hole through the cap?

EFileTahi-A
08-11-2005, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
U drill a hole through the cap?

No, you cannot pierce, break or do any physical change on the bottle...

Abihco
08-11-2005, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gifWhat r we talking about??? could we at least get back to navel topics?

I just looked at mine. You don't want to go there.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dominicrigg
08-11-2005, 02:01 PM
lol i type navel all the time by accident.

Hey messervy. Tis ok its all fun, this guy just got upset with my streamlined history. Caus it didnt give a blow by blow account and thought i was America bashing! I still fail to see where when i go back and read my potted account...

I had best not tell him it wasnt a one sided victory to the english colonists. Or that the French navy pretty much were the key part in the victory. Up until that point the redcoats had captured quite a few towns and things were not looking good. Or that they all signed a peace treaty, (would this have happened if it had been such a one sided whupping?) with Britain keeping colonies in the north and loyalists/Royalists getting all their goods/land returned. That really would upset him!


Lets have an argument about imperialism though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that would be fun, or the greatest empire ever. Roman empire which lasted 1200 years and brought civilisation,architecture and much more to the world or the British Empire on which the sun never set and brought tea, cricket and the english language to a few and ummm crumpets?!?!?! Did the Romans have submarines?


As for the bottle you nutters...

You get the coin out of the bottle by using scotty to beam it out. No damage anywhere. The coin appears in transporter room 3. Nice job scotty!

Or give it to someone else to open the bottle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

She canny take it noe more!

Lukey__b
08-11-2005, 02:08 PM
I dont understand why Brits are known for bad teeth... ive not met an American with perfect teeth. I think its somin to do with scurvy.. kinda along the same lines of the name Limey. Anyway, I hink its a misconception.
You see, here in the UK we have the NHS. Which means even if we're very poor we get treatment. So according to the fact that 25% of ppl from the US live in poverty I'd say you'd probably have worst teeth.

Akula_971
08-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Ah yes our wonderful National health service NHS. Where the dentists got paid by the government and then got paid some more each time they put a filling in. There are so many people of my generation (born in the 60's) who have a mouthful of mercury amalgum so that a dentist can live in luxury. My old schoolfriend has perfect teeth, no fillings at all why? how? beause he never visited an NHS dentist!

Lukey__b
08-11-2005, 03:07 PM
Ive always said, you get what you pay for. lol.
I never had fillings, but I had braces(yes, poor goofy me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ) and strangely enough at the time they seemed to be in fashion. So they moved from fillings to braces, our poor underpaid dentists.
Pretty good teeth now though, must be bad genes.

Anyway..... I want to know how to get that coin out, ive no clue. Anyone?

TheRealWulfmann
08-11-2005, 03:12 PM
The Romans brought us architecture??

I use to do a lot of photography for architects. One came back from Athens and told me that was the Mecca for architects. That all of the buildings up to 1900 were basically Greek until new materials in the 20th century allowed us to finally move beyond them. I asked about the Roman arch and he stated the Romans merely advanced some what the Greeks had done and even in the time of Rome most building were built by Greeks. The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem was built by the Greeks for Muslims.
As far as civilization goes shall I list the things the ancient Greeks have invented? No that would take pages.
The Roman empire was the Greek world with order brought by Rome. They did a great job in centralizing and stabilizing the Greek world, but the language of the Roman Empire was not Latin, it was Greek. Democracy is not a Latin word either. The Greek experiment was ahead of its time. From the Magna Charter until 1776 it took us to do what they did in 500BC. They said they world was round, fools, how long before we caught up to that. Recently they have found geared contraptions that are now believed to be the world€s first computers way before Christ. Anyone familiar with Archimedes?
The Romans brought order to the Greek world then snuffed out self rule. It would take until mass communication of today for the whole world to get a breath of what Greece brought to light 2500 years ago. We may finally be ready to advance beyond what they accomplished. Self determination for all people. Some are so afraid of people having control over themselves they would rather blow themselves up to stop it. But, the final dream of ancient Greece may be on the verge of taking place. The Roman Empire; It all Greek to me!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Wulfmann

Lukey__b
08-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
Some are so afraid of people having control over themselves they would rather blow themselves up to stop it.


Why does that sound so rediculous to me? Is it just me?

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 03:54 PM
Well of course the americans got their asses kicked, they were ill equipped and basically un trained.

When washington retreated to valley forge, and was trained by the Prussian, that was my mistake, they were pretty much at the end of the line.

What amazes me is that the british still lost even though the american military was beaten to such a pulp, they were small, weak, un protected, a whole winter at valley forge, yet the brits still manage to lose.

I was angry because you thought you were going to up me, i made a **** joke and you come in here guns blazing thinking your better then me and try to show me up by giving a half assed account at my countries revolutionary, what can i say? You mistook me for something else.

Lukey__b
08-11-2005, 04:08 PM
Did you know, I dont know anyone who was taught about the American revolution in school, here in the UK. lol, not that amazing, but it is quite odd.

Dominicrigg
08-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Wicked my favourite subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
The Romans brought us architecture??

I use to do a lot of photography for architects. One came back from Athens and told me that was the Mecca for architects. That all of the buildings up to 1900 were basically Greek until new materials in the 20th century allowed us to finally move beyond them. I asked about the Roman arch and he stated the Romans merely advanced some what the Greeks had done and even in the time of Rome most building were built by Greeks. The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem was built by the Greeks for Muslims.

Sorry but your friend was very confused (or was he a greek?). Romans invented concrete, allowing them to vault great spaces and make massive and yet strong architectural wonders. Creating vaulted ceilings (visit italy to see many of their buildings still standing proudly) mastering archways ect. Greek "architecture" was stolen from Egypt and the Arabian world if you want to call influence design. Roman architecture is accepted as the greatest in the world.

Most buildings were built by greeks. Your friend was there? They shipped greeks round the world to build? No sorry, it was built by Romans. Most well trained architects agree, the acropolis (pantheon? i forget) in greece is little more advanced then stonehenge, placing large rocks one on top of the other. Beautiful though it may have been it wasnt near the same league as roman works.

Tell your architect friend to visit the Temple to all the gods (Pantheon) in Rome http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Pantheon.html He WILL soon change his mind if he knows anything about architecture. It's stunning enough to silence anyone for a few minutes (even my girlfriend!)

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/7562/cid1057404505dsc004487tm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/3623/cidpantheonkm0015ga.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



As far as civilization goes shall I list the things the ancient Greeks have invented? No that would take pages.
The Roman empire was the Greek world with order brought by Rome. They did a great job in centralizing and stabilizing the Greek world, but the language of the Roman Empire was not Latin, it was Greek. Democracy is not a Latin word either. The Greek experiment was ahead of its time.

The Roman empire didnt speak greek. It spoke latin, many people state this and i think they are confused or taught wrong. Greek culture was frowned upon in Rome, Greeks treated women with only a little more then contempt (not allowing thier wives in parties even, not allowing them a say in anything) In greece Homosexuality was proudly practiced, many men of the time had to make their wives cut their hair short to make them look more boyish. (not saying anything about homosexuality before someone jumps on me for abuse im displaying the differences in culture) and women were little better then slaves in class.

In Rome women were very important and homosexuality was frowned upon (though of course many still practiced) Using Greek was frowned upon, the greeks were classed as barbarians to rome. (Hence why they conquered them) They were interested in some parts of their culture, eg plays ect. But others they hated.

Its like a man 1000 years in the future saying Japanese and American values are the same. And their culture is the same, they may look so in the future to laymen. But they most definatly are not.

I think your confusion on speaking greek comes from the Byzantium empire, which spoke greek/arabic and continued long after the Western Roman empire (Latin) had fallen to Germanic Rule (Oedacer). Hence why we speak polluted latin in most western European countries and not Greek.



From the Magna Charter until 1776 it took us to do what they did in 500BC. They said they world was round, fools, how long before we caught up to that. Recently they have found geared contraptions that are now believed to be the world€s first computers way before Christ. Anyone familiar with Archimedes?

Archimedes? He is the guy who stole most(if not all) of his inventions from the world around him. His pumps? Arabic. Mathmatics? From the greatest astronemers/mathmaticians of the known world (for what they had to work from) Egyptians!


The Romans brought order to the Greek world then snuffed out self rule. It would take until mass communication of today for the whole world to get a breath of what Greece brought to light 2500 years ago.

I should go crazy like our american friend here for slating Rome! lol Rome brought Order and peace to most of the known world. Crushing opposition where it rose yes, but that is something which had to be done in the ancient world, or you went the way of the dodo (though the dodo was still alive then...) They Let those who accepted roman values live on their own under their own rule. (look into the situation near the rhine and in Gaul. Not whipped slaves, free gallic and Germanic people ruling themselves, germans living exactly how they wanted to. Happy to be protected by an army and have the better quality of life)

Greece was unfortunatly nowhere near a democracy, it was an aristocracy with only the rich having a say in anything. So wrong there Unless you can call a culture which leads by a few mens decisions and ignores women and other low caste people totally a democracy. (which you cant!) Rome gave citizenship to anyone who would fight and stand with them (to a certain extent) Anyone in Rome could rise to a position of influence and power. And women were valued, though was of course still never a democracy but i didnt claim that.(to be honest i dont think we have had a democracy in the history of the world yet, nor will we in our lives).


We may finally be ready to advance beyond what they accomplished. Self determination for all people. Some are so afraid of people having control over themselves they would rather blow themselves up to stop it. But, the final dream of ancient Greece may be on the verge of taking place. The Roman Empire; It all Greek to me!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Wulfmann

Interesting but we passed what they accomplished with the Roman empire, Greece didnt dream of democracy for all (atleast not in our sense of the word), didnt attempt to apply it and got nowhere near democracy. That said the philosophising of their Aristocracy did lay the foundations for how close to a real democracy Rome and our societies have come.

Nice post though!

DerKomet
08-11-2005, 04:56 PM
LOL Roman empire spoken greek?? That's great, so i suppose that my mother language (Portuguese) has it's foundations solely on greek, now that's something new!

Dominicrigg
08-11-2005, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
What amazes me is that the british still lost even though the american military was beaten to such a pulp, they were small, weak, un protected, a whole winter at valley forge, yet the brits still manage to lose.

Outnumbered, away from home, people rising up then hiding, amushing and harrying. Some bad decisions ect, all add up. I wouldnt quite call it a "whupping" though or whatever it was someone said.

What i find more interesting is how in hell Washington stayed in command so long when he was a numpty (in my opinion). Imagine what a better general would have done. Do americans look on washington as a great general in their history?

just found something interesting, even the spanish and the dutch declared war on us in that war. Stinkers... Wait till i see my spanish friends. The spanish didnt even like English Americans!

It was just a big anti Empire thing wasnt it.


Saratoga was the turning point of the war. Patriot confidence and determination, suffering from Howe's successful occupation of Philadelphia, was renewed. Even more importantly, the victory encouraged France to enter the war against Great Britain. Spain and Holland soon did the same. For the British, the war had now become much more complicated.

Interesting website http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/American-Revolutionary-War

for anyone interested in what we are jabbering on about. Were there any subs in this war? Didnt someone sail up and try to screw a bomb into a british ship?

Dominicrigg
08-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Yeah thought so! United states navy first attack sub http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6291/turtle4wb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

THE TURTLE!

funky, wouldnt like to pedal that thing...

Yen Lo
08-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
Its a Gatoragrade bottle. u know how wide there bottle necks are.


I love those bottles, the mouths are wide enuf for any ice cubes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PsychoFritz
08-11-2005, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Lukey__b:


And the Brits are so stupid we re-elect a leader who took us to a war 60+% of the population dont want, then we're surprised we get bombed.



You would have been bombed if you were in the war or not. The Muslims in your country want to make it the first Islamic country in the west and have stated that way before any of this war on "terrorism" started. I just don't believe how easily most people in the west fall for the jihadist propaganda...its like a Jedi mind trick or something. The Jihadists have always blamed others for their aggressive violence...even muhammad did in the Qur'an and hadith. You will find many ancient excuses for violence like the War in Iraq or the existance Israel in those writings.

The west seems to like letting all of the Jihadists into their countries who were kicked out of their own for being too violent. The dictators in the Mid. East kick them out to save their butts and we let them in and give them "man of peace" awards like the mayor of London did. Apeasement seems to be the trend in the west when threatened by violent people. Its like paying protection money to the mafia. If you just give them what they want they won't break your knee caps. If you don't agree to give them what they want they will intimidate you...and it seems to be working here in the west.

The one advantage that the Jihadists have is that they are united in fighting for Islam...we are all here aruging with each other and we are on the same side (if we want to be or not). The facts are that as long as there is a democracy in the middle east (hopefully Iraq although its a gamble if the muslims will live in a democracy and not under sharia law) the jihadists won't reach their goal of bringing back the Caliphate. If they do reach their goal the entire Muslim world will eventually be unified and poised to attack us no matter what we do to make the Muslims "happy" at the moment. They aren't going to do anything with us unless it benefits the spread of Islam and allows them to gather strength against us. That means there will be no peace unless it will help the Jihadists get the upper hand later.

Bin Laden has already invited us to Islam...we have three choices in their minds now...convert to Islam and join in Jihad, pay the protection tax and be made to feel subdued, or die. Thats all. Our only other choice is to fight them which is what some of us are doing.

I think its fear that motivates us here in the west but the fact is that the jihadists can't win unless we let them win. They are weak militarily and will not win if we don't want them to. At least Blair is finally doing something over there in the UK about the problem. Its about time.

Anyway...I think this is really what the hatred for the US on message boards everywhere is really about...I've seen the same BS on so many other websites that have nothing to do with global affairs. It just seems that people are trying to come up with any reason possible to savage the US. It's fear and nothing else.

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 05:42 PM
Do americans look on washington as a great general in their history?

he was the best there was that wanted to fight the brits. Cant argue with his results can you.

Messervy
08-11-2005, 07:13 PM
This is a tough thread to follow so I`ll just take it in order.

1. You heat up a bottle.

2. Dom....now I know why there is some Italian blood inside of you. Yeah the Romans were one civilisation that brought the doomsday upon themselves by being to complacent. ( I see it happenening again)

3.@PsichoFritz
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Bin Laden has already invited us to Islam...we have three choices in their minds now...convert to Islam and join in Jihad, pay the protection tax and be made to feel subdued, or die. Thats all. Our only other choice is to fight them which is what some of us are doing.
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Learn from the Brits (...which I am not)!

The way they handle the things is the right way.
They don`t get too upset. They just keep on being British. No cry babyes, no hastly reactions.
They endured the Blitz in 1940.
There are some (guestimate) 80 milions of them, and If we put all Westerners togheather - how many of us are there?.

Do you really believe that a few thousand "****s" can change the world?.

Does IRA, Bader Meinhoff, Brigade Rossa, Rotte Arme Frakzion, ETA....etc mean something to you?
Most of them died out beacause no one cared enough.

Just don`t let them see the pain and we`ll be fine!

twistedpretzel
08-11-2005, 08:51 PM
The way they handle the things is the right way

Then their country ends up getting bombed, and they shoot the wrong guy 7 times in the face. No, they dont get angry.


They endured the Blitz in 1940.

The Blitzkrieg was aimed at Poland not England.

TheRealWulfmann
08-11-2005, 09:13 PM
Dominicrigg

That is an amazing twist of history. I suppose Italy defeated the Greeks in 1940 as well?
The entire Roman Empire spoke Greek. Even God chose to write the New Testament in Greek because it was the language everyone spoke in the known world. Each person spoke his local language and Greek. Earlier even as most Jews were not bothering to keep their native tongue, the Greek Kings of Egypt in 280BC brought all the top scholars to Alexandria to translate the Torah into Greek so they would have their religion for those that only spoke Greek.
After the empire split the western half outlawed Greek because everyone spoke it and so few spoke Latin.
Portuguese is derived from Latin which is from Greek. How basic is that!!!
The Greeks stole it from the Arabs??!!?? You do know there was no such thing back when the Greeks built the Parthenon, considered the most perfect building ever built. Not a single straight line with all points coming to a point about 2 miles above the earth.
Homosexuality was not a hidden thing in some ancient Greek City States but the percentage of gay people has always been constant, just not hidden. The Romans were as flaunting of gay men as any, Julius Caesar said €œGive me an army of lovers and I will give you the world€

I have got to copy your post as I have studied history for aver 50 years and never heard such a distortion of known history in my life.

I don€t think here in the US we have a favorite between the Greeks and Romans at least not that I have perceived. We don€t try and prove anything about either.
You need to contact the History Channel as they have been way off by your account.
I almost expect you to post, €œJust pulling your leg€ Amazing perversion of fairy tales. Hitler had the same obsession for the Romans. Hail Caesar!!!
Wulfmann

Poacher886a
08-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Ah..

Firstly,the Americans(sorry i mean British colonists)hardly won a battle against the EXISTING British forces in America,it was as stated the French,spanish and dutch that swung the balance.Remember we were also having to rule with the butt of a rifle a quarter of the entire worlds population.

The main problem(as the British forces were doing really rather well)was the supply and orders coming from London.

Situation reports were sent to London(which took 3 weeks)and order's were sent back to America(which took 3 weeks)by which time they were out of date and useless...
...if indeed they had let the comanders fighting the war make the decisions,history would be very different.

Basicaly,the British beat themself's!

As for the teeth issue,this is quite amusing,as the Brits invented dental care,they are called limies because we found limes to be a cure for scurvy,and these were used especaily on sea travel's.

Its funny as the Yanks seem to have this myth we have bad teeth,
But we all laugh at the Tom slick cheesy smile with the un-ordinarly perfect teeth that so many Americans seem to have!

prowler3iii
08-12-2005, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
I hate to say it but the U.S Navy sucks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Its 1942 and its my first patrol off the U.S coast. I allready met the historical aim of sinking the Jacob Jones. But then I went on to sink 4 more DDs and not a serous damage by depth charges in return, compressure and con tower thats all. But I did run into the Davy Crotet of the 4 incher. He gave me 8% damage. I said thank u by sinking him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

My friend...do me a favor. Stand out side any cafe you wish, and hold your right hand up. We won't wait for your Bomb Damage Report (LOL!).
Of course the US Navy was lackiing in their early WWII years. No matter how hard FDR tried to get us prepared...he could only "sneak" so much. He KNEW we would go to war, he KNEW we would be fighting the Germans and Japanese.

Unfortunately, or not, it took a while for them to understand and accept the British "Sonar"...the greatest invention of the WW2 naval era. Without that the Germans would have had a free run of the Atlantic.

You might want to word your Subject line differently, I was in the USN and I can say this much...we can find you and we can take you out.

Akula_971
08-12-2005, 01:38 AM
They endured the Blitz in 1940.

The Blitzkrieg was aimed at Poland not England.[/QUOTE]

The blitz to anyone who knows anything about history was the german bombing of London, as seen by Londoners.

Messervy
08-12-2005, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Akula_971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They endured the Blitz in 1940.

The Blitzkrieg was aimed at Poland not England. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The blitz to anyone who knows anything about history was the german bombing of London, as seen by Londoners.[/QUOTE]


Thank YOU!

Jester_159th
08-12-2005, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
[QUOTE]The way they handle the things is the right way

Then their country ends up getting bombed, and they shoot the wrong guy 7 times in the face. No, they dont get angry.[QUOTE]


And the New York PD would have shot him how many times? **** site more than seven I'll bet.

You either haven't got a clue or you're just looking for a reaction.

If you're looking for a reaction, you're out of luck. I don't waste my time on single figure IQ's.

Lukey__b
08-12-2005, 04:18 AM
Psyco, my point was he acted undemocratically then he's the one who preachs about democracy. lol, only when it suits him I guess.
Also in the UK we're gonna have to be very careful what we say, otherwise we go to jail, possibly with no trial. Can anyone say police state? And because we elected him again, well not me anyway.
And its not a question of appeasing the "Muslims", its about whats right. Ive no doubt the leaders of the terror(Bin Laden etc) are nuts and have agendas which may be to stop us having freedom. But I just cant see how a normal person could be talked into blowing themselves up to stop freedom.
I cant see a Palestinian going into a Jewish cafe and blowing himself up to stop a Jewish guy choosing what he eats. But I can see him blowing himself up if his family was killed by Israelis soldiers, he's fed up of living under persecution, walking through checkpoints in his own country, doesnt like a massive concrete wall through his land and agrees with the UN that Israel should get out.
I think more people will die for the plight of their brethren than to somehow stop freedom in the west.

Hoatee
08-12-2005, 07:07 AM
People willing to 'die for the plight of their bretheren' do encroach on freedom in the west. Die in your 'own' country - you have a choice in deciding which it is.

Dominicrigg
08-12-2005, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
Dominicrigg

That is an amazing twist of history. I suppose Italy defeated the Greeks in 1940 as well?
The entire Roman Empire spoke Greek. Even God chose to write the New Testament in Greek because it was the language everyone spoke in the known world.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Well Italy did defeat Greece with the help of Germany, Greece was occupied and knocked out of the war. God didnt write the bible. It was most likely a group of Anti Roman freedom fighters writing fables to make their new breakaway religion look good. It was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Later translated into greek then latin. Greek is not a latin language either. Can you point out to me why greek is latin?

The new testament was first written in greek i think. If this is what you mean, but this was written years after jesus in the Eastern Roman empire (which spoke greek) so its no suprise. When Rome took it as a religion (and romanised christianity into what you now have) they wrote it in Latin. Why not keep the greek one if they speak greek?

So why do all western european countries speak latin based languages and not greek? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif All your words ending in "ion" are latin and many more. The bible was written around the Byzantium empire area, which would speak greek/hebrew/arabic. So doesnt show us what the western roman empire spoke. Again i tell you that your confused, the Byzantium Empire spoke greek, not the western Roman empire.



The Romans were as flaunting of gay men as any, Julius Caesar said €œGive me an army of lovers and I will give you the world€

Lost in translation, he means an army of men who love him to do anything for him. Not a massive army of Ricky martins. (Though is this a quote from shakespear? If so its not historical) Check his history when he was nearly executed for refusing to leave his wife. Or when he played around with other mens wives.

Then there is the "rumour" he slept with a gay king to get his way. Maybe this was just a rumour? Rome was famous for trying to discredit people fighting for power. This also backs up the point that homosexuality was frowned upon in Roman culture. Why spread rumours someone is gay if its good to be gay in the culture?




I almost expect you to post, €œJust pulling your leg€ Amazing perversion of fairy tales. Hitler had the same obsession for the Romans. Hail Caesar!!!
Wulfmann

Hitler got the hail from a visit to Italy, where he liked the way the soldiers marched and their hails to Mussolini (the *******) So copied it. He didnt have an obsession with rome. He had an obsession with germany. Romans were not Aryian and he believed the Holy Roman Empire (german) was the great empire, hence calling his empire the 3rd riech (empire)

Roman
Holy Roman (German)
Nazi

He even went as far as discrediting any history which showed Holy roman as barbaric and backward compared to the romans (part of the book burning)

I wonder what history we would have if they had won!

Its interesting because if you count the byzantium empire as roman it means the roman empire lasted neared 2000 years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

You know when Romulus (or remus) founded Rome he supposedly saw 12 birds, in ancient times bird signs were important and supposedly this meant the empire would last 1,200 years. Mad! As it did, though i dont believe in things like that, they were most likely made up after the fact like most prophecies.

TheRealWulfmann
08-12-2005, 09:30 AM
After Rome fell into darkness the "Greek" part of the empire lasted a thousand years in the light. It defended Europe and kept the Arabs and Turks at bay until the 15th century, When all the scholars, scientist, etc fled Constantinople they went to Italy and that was the beginning of the Reformation, which would never have happened without the Greeks.
After the split the western people still continued to speak Greek until a law was passed jailing anyone speaking Greek. You would be speaking Greek today in Italy had that not happened
The Bible was written by the Apostles of Jesus and Paul. Every word was written in the first century AD and in Greek. All translations are done from Greek to other languages. Latin is derived from Greek. Portuguese, Italian, French, Spanish and Romanian are derived from Latin.
1 in every 8 English words is from Greek.
When Italy invaded Greece in Oct 1940 the Greeks without any armor or artillery and a few aircraft crushed the invaders driving them out of Greece and capturing about 35% of Italian occupied Albanian. Hitler was pissed because this caused him to delay his invasion of Russia to bail out the Italians in both Greece and North Africa. With the majority of Greek soldiers routing the Italians the Germans merely swept down and cut them off. That made it hopeless and the Greeks surrendered to the Germans. The Germans had been so impressed with the humiliation the Greeks heaped on Italy they gave the most generous surrender terms they ever offered in WWII. They allowed the Greeks to disband with their weapons (They later regretted this very much)
The Italians were furious and demanded the Greeks also surrender to them. The Germans and Greeks arranged a mock surrender which turned into a Monty Python type affair that humiliated the Italians.
Something tells me this was not included in Italian history classes in Italy.
I have been studying this Hellenic-Italian war (as the Greeks called it) as we are including it in the stand alone CFS3 add on sim Mediterranean Air War. Both sides will be represented in as accurate a way as I can get information. While one will fly the entire war for Italy in all the areas (The CR42 is such a neat plane) this little air war will be well liked from the Greek side as one will be so outnumbered in inferior aircraft it will be very cool to fight such odds.
The Greek air force has sent me a book on their history and I must say they are never condescending about the Italians as virtually all other sources paint them as bumbling fools. The Greeks never thought the common Italian was a coward as most seem to think. They felt the common Italian soldier knew in his heart invading their neighbor was wrong. As the outnumbered ill equipped Greeks routed the invaders and the whole world cheered €œThe Gallant Greeks€ (as Life magazine called them) one British general commented to Churchill. €œThose Greeks fight like heroes.€ To which Churchill replied; €œMy good sir, Greeks don€t fight like heroes, heroes fight like Greeks.

Wulfmann

twistedpretzel
08-12-2005, 12:49 PM
And the New York PD would have shot him how many times? **** site more than seven I'll bet.

Thats just looking for a reaction if i have ever seen it. Getting a little hypocritical there arent we?


I don't waste my time on single figure IQ's.

I dont want this to turn into a ***** size game so i wont let you know my iq.

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-12-2005, 01:03 PM
What r we talking about again??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

EFileTahi-A
08-12-2005, 03:00 PM
Oh, I've moved back a few centuries ago... That's nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stinkhammer6
08-12-2005, 03:02 PM
we are talking about brits whining.

Yen Lo
08-12-2005, 09:34 PM
I thought only the frenchies were cowards.

Hoatee
08-13-2005, 05:06 AM
Ever heard of Dutch courage?

stinkhammer6
08-13-2005, 10:17 AM
And the brits still deny William Wallace ever existed. They ticked off the wrong country (as usual) and picked on the wrong guy. If only the english soldiers wouldnt have cut the tail off of Wallace's horse at the pub he was at, none of that would have happened, well not as quickly.

Celeon999
08-13-2005, 10:42 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen !

Who of you thought that we would be eyewitnesses of such an epic fight ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Round 7 ! Bong !

Britain seems to be with its back on the wall but will this be the end ? Or will Britain manage to turn the moralic and historical tide against its american enemy again ?

Will france intervene and join the epic battle of nations and kick some @ss ?

Will Rome rise again ?

Was William Wallace really a woman ?

Was Napoleon bigger than we believe ?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Dont think that the next round will answer all this questions ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We continue our live coverage right after this short commercial break as more dirt flies through the arena ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Akula_971
08-13-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
And the brits still deny William Wallace ever existed..
Which history book did you read? The Disney one?, or perhaps the Hollywood one, no I'm wrong perhaps the revisionist one?
No one has ever denied that William Wallace ever existed. He was not as Mel Brooks portrayed him , er sorry Mel Gibson (lets face it, it is a comedy). No low born scotsman, fighting for Scottish freedom, but landed gentry fighting, as most people in those days for power. Anyhow he was dispatched just the same.

TheRealWulfmann
08-13-2005, 12:19 PM
Wallace???
I was in the Shetland Islands doing a story (A lovely place I might add) and decided to spend a little time in Scotland (Sterling and Edinburgh) to research Wallace for a teel the truth as compared to the movie. So much was twisted about that movie it bordered on fairy tale. But, what was very true was the love of Wallace by the Scots and the hate by the English. As I mentioned various inaccuracies and asked for comments from the Scots th general reply was "As long as they are killing the English its all right by me"
Those long poles were not used at Sterling as the movie showed. That battle took place at the bridge. The Scots waited for about 5,000 English to cross then one man hiding under the bridge pulled a large pin that opened and a section of the bridge which collapsed isolating those 5,000 which were routed by Wallace and his men and the other English panicked and rode off. Does not sound like the battle of Sterling in the movie now?
The charging English cavalry never happened because the ground was to marshy.
Wallace€s wife was indeed killed by the English but not like in the movie. He got into a fight with some soldiers and cut off one€s hand and they chased him up to his wife€s house (an older women he married for money not anything like the babe in the movie) and she opened the door and he ran right through the house and out the back and away.
Still Scotland needed a hero and he was drafted and in some part was the hero they needed but not like the one depicted.
After Bannockburn, where Robert the Bruce (who never betrayed him in real life) used Wallace€s tactics to crush the pansy son of Longshanks (he had very long legs) Scotland was free.
In reality the English figured out that left alone the Scots would fight amongst themselves and never pose a threat to England.
Invaded they would unit and become formidable. They chose the sensible way and through compromise and marriage took over the country, planted trees (those were not there before) and moved in the sheep (They were not there either) and shipped off the trouble makers to the new colonies where they settled in the mountains and became the Hatfield€s and McCoy€s and continued feuding and may still be doing so!
Well I wrote a piece on the truth about Wallace and found that know one wanted to know the truth about Wallace. No one!

Wulfmann

Dominicrigg
08-13-2005, 12:45 PM
Yes remember william wallace didnt sack york, in fact york has NEVER been sacked in history. Quite a unique achievement. (I live near york, wicked town). Fun film though, in an anti english way, pity it used Wallace's ancestor for its "historic" info. As he just made **** up lol.

As for the argument about rome i give up, just to quote from a book i have "The rise and fall of ancient rome"


Nearly two-thirds of the words in the english language dirive directly or indirectly from Latin, the Roman language. Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian are Romance languages, direct decendants of Latin, originally the language of central Italy. The Senate, the upper house in countries like the united states and Ireland, is the Roman name for a Roman institution. The emblam of the United states and many now -vanished empires is an eagle, modelled on that of Jupiter, Romes chief deity. The American motto, E Pluribus Unum, and the British motto, Fidus Defensor, are in latin... The United states, the united nations and the european union- all implicitly reflect the influence of Roman Universalism.


...But it was possible to travel unarmed, from Britain or Spain to Syria using one currency and speaking only two languages : Latin in the West and Balkans, Greek elsewhere (meaning asia minor, egypt and greece)


As for you trying to make it into an argument about ww2, you have to be greek! Admit it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I once heard a greek friend of mine going on about how Greece held up hitler so long all on their own, Russia thanked them for doing such a great job. I said, "did you learn real history? Go check if Greece had any help vs Germany. **cough Britain**" He didnt get taught that part at all!! I was shocked lmao. Like Greeks get taught Alexander the Great was greek http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif No offence to Greek guys here, you are cool and all but, he was a Macedonian. He conquered Greece as Rome did later. I think thats whats going on here, claiming Romes glories and Alexanders by default lol.

There is no way anyone but a greek could have such a view of the war vs Italy as that lol, Hordes of Well equipped italians vs poor greeks with only spears hey? lmao After those comments I give up on arguing with you, you prove to be writing from some dodgy sources. Research into the war between Italy and greece. The only thing you got right was how most Italians really didnt care for a war. The rest was patriotic and amusing but as accurate as a Hollywood movie.

For the last time i say your confused between Byzantine (East) and Roman (West) empire. I hope anyone reading this post in the LATIN alphabet using 3/4 latin words sees that... (and those of us speaking languages from latin.)

ps to ban a language that everyone in the roman empire speaks (greek) for one they dont speak (latin) doesnt make sense does it. Why and how would they do it? Do you see how your own argument defeats itself?

pps apologies for my bad spelling and grammar in this and my other posts. I dont have time to spend with grammar lol and cant be arsed to proof read as bet most of you dont!

Dominicrigg
08-13-2005, 01:07 PM
Your william wallace history is wrong also.

The thing about his girlfriend is legend, most likely myth. He wasnt married for a start, its a local village myth passed down so cant be relied upon. Sung by some minstrel of much later years (who made most everything up) its there to tug our heartstrings and sound more exciting then some man fighting for land and greed. Wanting to rule the people himself. As stated before he was the son of a landowner himself, not a pauper as portrayed. A pauper, would not have had the money or mind to travel to france and become educated in french and latin anyway. So this contradicts itself.



The battle of Stirling bridge didnt have men underneath pulling levers to dump soldiers into the water http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif seriously...

The English advanced over the bridge, then the scottish hemmed them in. Those english trapped faced larger numbers and those behind could not advance over the bridge. As those being killed tried to retreat the bridge collapsed under the wieght.

Those on the safe banking didnt flee. Infact Scottish had forded the river some distance away and attacked from the rear. Trapping them against the river. So killing the army in 2 halves (divide and conquer a great military maxim)

From then on he worked much as the Iraqi insurgents work at the moment, scorched earth policy and killing odd english where they could find them. Until the Battle of Falkirk ( i think) when he was comprehensivly beaten. Then his own countryman turned him in to the english, most likely sick of the trouble he was causing for most scottish. Then the poor guy was chopped up (as in the film) and his head stuck on london bridge, and quarters of him sent to the four corners of the kingdom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif just as a reminder to be excellent to each other.


At the time he was not such a hero, if he had been he would have had the backing of all the clans of Scotland. In fact they all worked with england, getting what they could when they could from the crown.

Lukey__b
08-13-2005, 01:51 PM
Round 7 ey? lol

Ill say one word..... Vietnam. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
England picked on the wrong country... but then in the end did conquer the Scots. But the commies won over there.
If you can come up with a modern British millitary failure on the same scale, id like to hear it.

Derty_Harry
08-13-2005, 02:13 PM
Scotland was never conquered by England.

Lukey__b
08-13-2005, 02:46 PM
Well it was an English parliament that governed them until recently and its part of Britain which is England and everyone who England rules/ruled. Conquer may have been the wrong word, but through politics they were ruled by England.
Of course im willing to accept im wrong, after all, this is just what ive picked up... Ive not actively looked into it. So feel free to put me straight.

TheRealWulfmann
08-13-2005, 04:48 PM
Well, after saying Italy defeated the Greeks with the help of the Germans who can argue with this account???, other than anyone in Scotland and every recent serious research.
When I was there doing this in 1999 it was the big topic of investigation dispelling myth form reality. He was a land owner but was also a patriot which, of course can be obscure.
When Edward I demanded an oath of loyality his father and brother would not sign and were executed. He was indeed married, but as I said not for love but for money. (This is considered likely or at least Marion Braidfute, the Heiress of Lamington was his mistress)
He also never fathered the grandson of Longshanks as he was in Rome at the time and not even the legend of William Wallace was that good!!

The Stirling bridge trap was accurate, sorry, (Have you ever been to Stirling?)
Your account will stand with the great Italian victory of WWII, the invasion of Albania from Greece leading the Greek army north!!!
Seriously, your account was the original one you will find in older books on the subject which does not have the advantage of new evidence and found ancient documentation.
But, this deep research found the evidence of the trap at the bridge to ensure Wallace could isolate enough to have the advantage and even up the score, the English did flee, under the Earl of Surrey. You are correct in that the Scotts forged the river to get at them and they panicked. If you have been to Sterling you can see the river is not huge.
Wallace met Longshanks (Edward I) at Falkirk and had the battle in hand when the Scottish cavalry left (No one knows if it was betrayal or if they had been beaten and fled) and that turned the battle into a route. Wallace fled to Europe and returned and fought a Guerrilla war until betrayed, not by Robert the Bruce, as in the movie but by a close friend John De Menteith and executed in London which only further ignited the quest for Scottish freedom. After Edward I was dead and his bumbling son was king, Bruce crushed him at Bannockburn in Scotland's greatest victory over the English on June 24, 1314.
Wallace may have been out for power but it was the power of a free Scotland that was his cause and outnumbered with inferior weapons the Scots, like the Greek in 1940, show how brave peoples will kick the arses out of those that don't belong there.
I do like England very much, but I love Scotland. Have you ever seen a more beautiful city than Edinburgh????? They even have an acropolis and were building a copy of the Parthenon as a war memorial to those that died fighting Napoleon; only 12 columns were erected before they ran out of money. Tell them they were mistaken and should have modeled a building in Rome, LOL But, Edinburgh is known as €œThe Athens of the North€ Under Hitler, Berlin was to be the Rome of the North!!!

Wulfmann

Combat_Sheep888
08-13-2005, 05:11 PM
Just to start off, I'm British and have nothing against the American people. A few people on this thread are ignorant. We all know who they are and I've asked the moderators that the thread be closed due to unnecessary comments about nationality.

Now to the main point of my post. The guy who started this thread was talking about Silent Hunter 3. For those of you flaming eachother, Silent Hunter 3 is a pc game and this if the forum for it - for the GAME. This thread is about the US Navy in SH3 and the posibility it may be programmed wrong.

People who clearly have nothing constructive to contribute appart from baseless redneck accusations along the lines of nationality, should go and get an education and maybe try posting on another forum somewhere, where I'm sure they'd be appreciated.

Messervy
08-13-2005, 05:22 PM
We all know who they are and I've asked the moderators that the thread be closed due to unnecessary comments about nationality.

I pitty you.
So far only two nations in history of this forum chickened out. Don`t join that club please.

Don`t get me wrong. I just hate when topics get closed.

Cheers

TheRealWulfmann
08-13-2005, 06:25 PM
Combat_Sheep888,
You remind of a guy in the movie Stripes! €œLighten up Francis.€ You may be right in things having gotten way OT and there may well be 5 or 6 topics at once going on but we are all just having a good time. Since you have neither been involved and have no question regarding the US Navy in the first part of 1942, I must wonder why you care. Do you go around making sure others are on topic or is it that some joking around by other people in a light hearted discussions bothersome.
If you have read any of this you must gather you may also get a few questions OnT answered. Have any or just don€t want to see others enjoying themselves?

I repeat; €œLighten up Francis"

Wulfmann

Mr._Snavely
08-13-2005, 07:29 PM
I still want to know how the coin was removed from the bottle.
Handing the bottle over to ANOTHER person makes no sense to me ...
Or was it already empty (except for the coin)?

Messervy
08-13-2005, 07:57 PM
You bang the bottle horizontaly at the opposite side of the cork, where the glass is thickest and the cork slowly slides out?

At least that`s what we had done some 20 years ago in an alpine cottige except we wanted to get to the wine not to the coin.

stinkhammer6
08-13-2005, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Lukey__b:
Round 7 ey? lol

Ill say one word..... Vietnam. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
England picked on the wrong country... but then in the end did conquer the Scots. But the commies won over there.
If you can come up with a modern British millitary failure on the same scale, id like to hear it.

Scotland may have technically been "ruled" by england but this is after england was beaten to a pulp and both agreed to stop hostilities, but considering england is still larger than scotland and yet still on the same island, still could not defeat the scots in actual battle. Peace agreements are sheer paper nothing more and can be altered or torn up at any time, look at the US constitution, best exampe of this sort of topic.

And you can stop using the whole vietnam thing, one it wasnt a war, war has not been declared since world war 2, also the conflict where americans were involved was part of the illegal arms and drug smuggling ring the US govt had been planning for a decade, the conflict was just a cover. Also only around 57k americans died in that war, the vietnamese lost 10 times that amount, so no the americans didnt lose any conflict in vietnam, now you can try to come up with something else.

As for comparing anything large with the brits on the same scale, you cant, the brits keep getting beaten and have been throughout history so they know better than to get involved in another conflict of any type, notice how very few they sent to iraq, and 1/4 of them ended up dead in the first 6 months.

Mr._Snavely
08-13-2005, 08:32 PM
Agree with Vlad that war has not been declared since (beginning) of WWII.

Nippon pioneered the practise of not declaring war in DEC 1941.

Yen Lo
08-13-2005, 09:27 PM
Iam no expert but I thought the Vietnamese(sp) lost close to 3 million(est.) in the police action or whatever.
Dunno we kicked the carp out of Japan with a little help from the Aussies, but other than them, pretty much alone.
BTW the only mod quit last weekend, and the Managers are usually busy with the other forums.

Lukey__b
08-14-2005, 05:01 AM
Well I thought that the objectives for Vietnam were to stop the commies taking over, basicly. And seeing as how hysterical Americans seem about commies, I took this as the objectives. Objectives were obviously not met, so... failure. The fact that the Vietnamese lost so many and still won(completed their objectives) only strengthens the fct that the whole conflict was a waste of time and lives.
Im not sure I see the difference between killing lots of people and "war".

As for Iraq, we're a much smaller country than America, with a smaller number of soldiers, so we are going to send less. Also the fact that the majority of the population were against the war, what with million + marching in protest, I think that would effect how many we send.
As for casualties, take a look at http://icasualties.org/oif/
Also look at http://www.obleek.com/iraq/
And http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Casualties for the entire Iraq conflict.
American Casualties = 1853 UK = 93
Even 93 couldnt be 1/4 of the force we sent. I cant Imagine we ever had only 400 soldiers there at any time. And about these 93 casualties.

UK KIA: 86 (33 in accidents/friendly fire)

That article is obviously outdated, but I think it interesting, because we know where most of that friendly fire came from.

Hoatee
08-14-2005, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by Mr._Snavely:
Agree with Vlad that war has not been declared since (beginning) of WWII.

Nippon pioneered the practise of not declaring war in DEC 1941.

Wrong. Hitler pioneered 'the practise of not declaring war'.

q1w2e3r42003
08-14-2005, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lukey__b:
Round 7 ey? lol

Ill say one word..... Vietnam. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
England picked on the wrong country... but then in the end did conquer the Scots. But the commies won over there.
If you can come up with a modern British millitary failure on the same scale, id like to hear it.

Scotland may have technically been "ruled" by england but this is after england was beaten to a pulp and both agreed to stop hostilities, but considering england is still larger than scotland and yet still on the same island, still could not defeat the scots in actual battle. Peace agreements are sheer paper nothing more and can be altered or torn up at any time, look at the US constitution, best exampe of this sort of topic.

And you can stop using the whole vietnam thing, one it wasnt a war, war has not been declared since world war 2, also the conflict where americans were involved was part of the illegal arms and drug smuggling ring the US govt had been planning for a decade, the conflict was just a cover. Also only around 57k americans died in that war, the vietnamese lost 10 times that amount, so no the americans didnt lose any conflict in vietnam, now you can try to come up with something else.

As for comparing anything large with the brits on the same scale, you cant, the brits keep getting beaten and have been throughout history so they know better than to get involved in another conflict of any type, notice how very few they sent to iraq, and 1/4 of them ended up dead in the first 6 months. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol dude, you're funny. You start off this thread all pissed off at america and then get your *** handed to you in every argument, and now you're all pissy about the "brits" (which incidentally includes the scottish). time to take the chill pill.

*disclaimer: i am not american or british. to scared to say which country i'm from, lest you start calling us names too.

Dominicrigg
08-14-2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by stinkhammer6:
Scotland may have technically been "ruled" by england but this is after england was beaten to a pulp and both agreed to stop hostilities, but considering england is still larger than scotland and yet still on the same island, still could not defeat the scots in actual battle.

Wow dude, one thing i have learnt from this thread is you can't half talk a lot of ****e lmao. Seriously, the one thing i want to know is, when you write this do you believe it or are you just being a dumb troll like in your other posts? I suppose either one isnt good is it?

As for you trolling on England I can only sound like i am bigging up the british here but the British empire (English, Mighty Scottish Highlanders, Welsh) Was THE biggest empire in the world ever. It will never be reproduced and no empire will ever manage to emulate what was achieved.

The British Navies achievements are the greatest ever and will never be repeated by anyone.

But you keep on talking rubbish if it makes you feel better.

As for the fight against japan seriously American people, why do you misrepresent your country so badly? Where are the American people posting how it was great to get help from everyone? Why do the people posting say, "Yeah america won the war against the Japanese you should thank us." you realise your sad attitude is the reason so many people have such a bad image of Americans.

I would just like to point out involved against the Japanese were British, Australian, Indian, Gurkas, Africans, New Zealanders, Philipinos and many others (sorry i have to go out and dont have time to list more)

To the people of these countries and those who fought in WW2 I apologise for the ignorant Americans (not all Americans) for being so badly educated and self centered. To those Americans who know otherwise (i know you are there) why dont you shut these monkeys up before they give you more bad press! lol

If you look at all the bad points of the Roman empire, and the reasons why it fell into ruin and Decedance so much of the similar attitude is modelled in you few people.

As for the rest of the arguments i bow out, because its just annoying. I wish some people with the ridiculous standpoints would post us some evidence of all the whuppings ect. While they search for the evidence they would get a fast track education and realise how wrong they were!

**Rant over** Bye, im off for a beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The award for biggest Assmaster goes to Stinkhammer. Now get trolling stink, its funny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Akula_971
08-14-2005, 12:29 PM
So the scots beat England to a pulp? Is that why the act of union was forced upon them? or did they just wise up to the fact that they had no chance.
America lost in Vietnam, plain and simple, Uncle Sam got kicked out. What is really tragic here is the fact that at first the US armed Ho Chi Min to fight the Japanese. After the war, they even declared independence from the French. But the US who where anti-Imperialist sided with the French? who knew better and made a sharp exit. So sad, because Ho Chi Min was looking for a socialist state, even asked Washington for help, not Moscow, but for Washington, Socialism is too close a shade of pink to red. So you got into a mire and suffered a defeat.

Yet again did not learn from the British, past masters of handling Empires. Take the red communist rising in Malaya for instance, might is right? No. Lets win hearts and minds, and fight the reds on their own terms with small groups of special forces. Result? a victory!

The British, for your information created the largest Empire yet seen. With a 1/3 of the worlds population. No huge armies, just diplomacy and trade, and using local chiefs and kings where appropriate. The modern world we live in today is a result of that Empire.

Mind you Empires are not always a good thing, but sometimes leave positive legacies, such as the wonderful ENGLISH language, Habeus corpus, parliamentary democracy.

Yes the American revolution was a great thing. Lets take a look at America and Canada for example, one stayed in the commonwealth and the Americans choose not too. What effects does this have on culture for example? just compare the murder rates of both countries (chuckle)

America has always said that it was against imperialism and did every thing it could to wreck the French and British Empires. Yet for all these fine words, why couldn't the Philippines have independence sooner? We shall not mention Costa Rica here?

I have not read the entire thread. But has someone mentioned how America saved the brits butts in two world wars? Well thats not quite true is it now!.
WW1, the French and British Armies soundly defeated the 1918 German offensive all by themselves, not a yank in sight. They wore the German army down, the Royal Navy blockaded Germany, so they starved. The fact that America joined, just tipped the balance a little further so that they sued for peace earlier.

WW2, The RAF defeated the Luftwaffe over the southern counties of England in 1940.RESULT No Invasion, if they had of tried the Royal Navy would have sailed into the channel and decimated them. The tide of WW2 was turned before the USA got involved. The Germans where defeated at Stalingrad in early 42? (no Americans there. although I'm optimistic about seeing a hollywood lie movie which will say there was). Rommel was defeated in North Africa by Monty in late 41, yes some Americans did turn up after operation torch and had their assess kicked by the Africa Korps at Kasserine. I'm sure the British people thank the American people for the **** Lee-Grant tanks and Tommy cooker Shermans, but they did the job, and oh by the way, they paid for them and are still paying for them now!
Who destroyed the German Army? the Russians!!!!!

If as you say the Brits keep getting beaten, how did they manage to build such a large Empire? Of course they lost the battle of the nile, and trafalgar against the combined fleets of Spain and France. Lost all those Battles against Napoleon too. Even lost the battles against the American Army who tried to head North into Canada, 1812? not sure. Well actually they didn't.

Well so who wins in the End? America with its pay/profit/greed culture? or the British with a welfare state, free medical care, etc, etc. America is owned by the Chinese anyway, how much do you owe them? its a lot, believe me. But don't worry Mr Bush will sort out those chinese, a war you will have to fight or even sooner in Iran? Have fun. Take lots a clean underwear.

Celeon999
08-14-2005, 12:47 PM
Round 9 ! Bong ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We continue our live coverage of this epic battle with the beginning of round 9.

More and more questions arise as the fight grows intense ! As the dirt gets dirtier and the number of involved nations grows larger !

Who really kicked which ones @ss in vietnam ?

Does this country exist actually ?

Or was the war in fact just a big public relations gag ?

Was there really a WW1 1/2 between WW1 and WW2 ?

Was J. Edgar Hoover a communist himself ?

What would William Wallace say to all this ?


Once again : Dont believe that the next round will give the answers to all this questions ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lukey__b
08-14-2005, 01:45 PM
Ok... enough is enough. Ive got to give the coup de grace. Americans cant brew beer/lager/whatever for ****. :P
Seriously, we might drink it warm(although ive never been given a warm pint in a pub in my life), but at least it doesnt taste like cold rats piss through a sieve.

But, back to the topic... how do you get the coin out?

Mr._Snavely
08-14-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Hoatee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr._Snavely:
Agree with Vlad that war has not been declared since (beginning) of WWII.

Nippon pioneered the practise of not declaring war in DEC 1941.

Wrong. Hitler pioneered 'the practise of not declaring war'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


If so then it was Poland that pioneered ...

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/ultimatum.htm

Messervy
08-14-2005, 04:56 PM
THE COIN!!!
We want the coin.
It`s all about property isn`t it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mr._Snavely
08-14-2005, 05:03 PM
YES the Coin.

AND the Bottle (Burbon perhaps) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kaiser_W
08-14-2005, 07:24 PM
Amazing how a video game topic can turn into a pissing contest. Put it away boys, it's just a game...

TheRealWulfmann
08-14-2005, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Lukey__b:
Ok... enough is enough. Ive got to give the coup de grace. Americans cant brew beer/lager/whatever for ****. :P
Seriously, we might drink it warm(although ive never been given a warm pint in a pub in my life), but at least it doesnt taste like cold rats piss through a sieve.

But, back to the topic... how do you get the coin out?

While I can honestly say nothing tops Bavarian Ale, IMO, it is wrong to say others can not brew a good beer. I had Orkney Ale that was fantastic and the micro breweries in Alaska had some too close to German to believe. The Pipeline Stout was like being in Neuschwanstein. The swill in K¶ln is no better than Budweiser so not all German bier is great either

Wulfmann

Messervy
08-14-2005, 08:59 PM
Nothing beats Staropramen!

redshark38
02-12-2006, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Lukey__b:
Round 7 ey? lol

Ill say one word..... Vietnam. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
England picked on the wrong country... but then in the end did conquer the Scots. But the commies won over there.
If you can come up with a modern British millitary failure on the same scale, id like to hear it.

They haven't HAD any military failures in the 20th century on because they've always had OUR warrior selves to pull their chips out of the fire. Ditto france and; more than likely, the rest of Europe.

redshark38
02-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
While I can honestly say nothing tops Bavarian Ale, IMO, it is wrong to say others can not brew a good beer. I had Orkney Ale that was fantastic and the micro breweries in Alaska had some too close to German to believe. The Pipeline Stout was like being in Neuschwanstein. The swill in K¶ln is no better than Budweiser so not all German bier is great either

Wulfmann
~sigh~ The TRUE test of beer quality is how quickly it can make you forget last night's blind date. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif And.. when consumed after a couple shots of Don Julio or Sauza.. even Milwaukee's Best tastes like a high-end microbrew.

Messervy
02-12-2006, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by redshark38:
They haven't HAD any military failures in the 20th century on because they've always had OUR warrior selves to pull their chips out of the fire. Ditto france and; more than likely, the rest of Europe.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Kaleun1961
02-12-2006, 08:54 PM
Mein Gott! The new guy picks a thread that's been dead for six months for his first posts? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Celeon999
02-13-2006, 03:36 AM
Does this mean that now as this old thread pops up again, there may be a chance to make the cold war between the USA and the UK getting hot ......again ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Yehaaa!

Round 10 boing !

Or not Round 10 ?

It looks like most of people that fought this epic battle here have not been active in the community for months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I guess this means the battle is at an end ?

It was so entertaining.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Or maybe we have an volunteer from the usa or uk here that wants to bash the other country a little bit ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Just joking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif We dont need another battle thread here.



Anyway......

Talking about lost community members....

What about nativevictory our "one post wonder" ?

To the oldtimers of the community :

Remember him and his "Brain dead american PC programmers" thread that turned into a huge flame nativevictory "You dumbfish the game was programmed in romania" thread and ended in the biggest cookbook thread ever ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Hoatee
02-13-2006, 04:02 AM
Aloha.

Dominicrigg
02-13-2006, 05:43 AM
Im still here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I would like to say every country rocks except outer mongolia, caus its a bit cold and the mongol hordes were a bit naughty to use a historical term. (all that raping and pillaging)

ckuske
02-13-2006, 11:33 AM
I was just browsing this thread, and on page 2, there was a discussion about the US never losing any troop ships in WWII. Unfortunately, that's not true, I know of at least one.

My great-uncle was a Sargeant in an Airborne Division (not sure which) for the US Army. His unit got onto the USAT Dorchester, and it was torpedoed off Greenland by U-223 (he didn't survive, but the whole thing is a pretty tragic story... the escorts kinda blew it). For more about that, see this page on uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/2616.html). Anyways, just wanted to set the record straight.

Kaleun1961
02-13-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by ckuske:
I was just browsing this thread, and on page 2, there was a discussion about the US never losing any troop ships in WWII. Unfortunately, that's not true, I know of at least one.

My great-uncle was a Sargeant in an Airborne Division (not sure which) for the US Army. His unit got onto the USAT Dorchester, and it was torpedoed off Greenland by U-223 (he didn't survive, but the whole thing is a pretty tragic story... the escorts kinda blew it). For more about that, see this page on uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/2616.html). Anyways, just wanted to set the record straight.

Sorry to hear about your loss, even though it was so many years ago. I was the one who made the claim regarding no American troopships being sunk in the Atlantic, based upon my recollection of having read that in Clay Blair's book. Unfortunately, my copy is on loan to a friend right now, so I cannot look that up. For sure, I will do so once I get it back. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

ckuske
02-13-2006, 12:19 PM
Thanks Kaleun61... I am only 24, so I never knew him, but my grandmother still talks about the day they got the telegram saying he was MIA though.

There are a few books that have been written about the Dorchester, due to the Four Chaplains story (they gave their lifejackets to soldiers, instead of saving themselves, and prayed with troops on the ship as it went down).

As I recall, the two major things that caused the ship to be sunk was that they actually picked the U-Boat up on sonar but lost contact with it, and the escorts didn't have radar (most did have at least the first versions by early '43, from what I read).

It's all interesting stuff, and I had a good time researching the incident also.

Kaleun1961
02-13-2006, 12:30 PM
I'm definitely going to check up on this reference in Blair's book. Silent Otto in this forum has a copy of this book, so maybe if he sees this post he could look it up. Blair was making the point that Admiral King held back escorts from cargo convoys to protect troop convoys. Perhaps I was misquoting from memory [always a risky thing] and got my facts crossed; maybe Blair said that no troopships from troopship convoys had been sunk, which was intended to vindicate King's decision to strip convoys to protect troop convoys. I'll stay on top of this one until I get a definitive answer and will post it when I do.

Celeon999
02-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by ckuske:
I was just browsing this thread, and on page 2, there was a discussion about the US never losing any troop ships in WWII. Unfortunately, that's not true, I know of at least one.

My great-uncle was a Sargeant in an Airborne Division (not sure which) for the US Army. His unit got onto the USAT Dorchester, and it was torpedoed off Greenland by U-223 (he didn't survive, but the whole thing is a pretty tragic story... the escorts kinda blew it). For more about that, see this page on uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/2616.html). Anyways, just wanted to set the record straight.


I had a grandfather aboard U-109 and U-234.

One of the radio guys on U-223 was a friend of him from the academy at Flensburg-Mürwik.

I believe his name was B¶hme or was it Bohme ? Hmmmm not sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Talking about american ships.... there was a good documentary about the u-boat war yesterday with lots of interviews with Erich Topp from U-552.

He also made some statements regarding his accidental sinking of the USS Reuben James.


There was another docu right after it about U-869 that was found and identified by american sport divers in the near of New Jersey.

3 divers were killed in accidents as they tried to identify the mysterious u-boat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But finally they made it and identified it to be U-869 from which was believed for over 60 years that it was sunk somewhere near Gibraltar.
They even found some family members of one of the crewmen living in the USA not far away from U-869 wrecksite.

Pockets1974
02-14-2006, 04:56 AM
Wow. I just spent the better part of an hour reading this whole thread. It was better than any movie I've ever seen. I swear I could feel the heat radiating off the screen on some of the posts. I was kinda saddened about how it quickly degenerated into a rude, culture/country bashing fight. In my opinion, all sides lost in this fight. They all quoted facts which they claimed to be ironclad yet some of them were shown to be wrong by some of the less belligerent people here. I'm amazed at how bullheaded some people can be with regard to their knowledge of history. I've studied history for quite a while and while I'm certainly now professor, one thing I am painfully aware of is that we will NEVER know everything about anything! To take an stand on one version of history, any version, is foolish. The events that happen in history are not to be studied in a "we kicked your ***" viewpoint. They should be studied so as to glean the lessons that could be learned, so that bad things like wars and such can hopefully be avoided and good things (the few there are) can be repeated... now that I've taken my stand... i'm going to bed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pockets1974
02-14-2006, 04:57 AM
oh yea, Celeon999, I though your running commentary was sehr gut!

Celeon999
02-14-2006, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by Pockets1974:
oh yea, Celeon999, I though your running commentary was sehr gut! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The_Silent_O
02-14-2006, 09:14 PM
Did somebody call????

Yes the U-223 did sink a troopship in 1943 with a large loss of life. Ckuske's got it right. The entire story (and organization is here).

Click on "The Story" in the header for the account of the sinking.

http://www.fourchaplains.org/

That's at least one, I think there were more, I'll have to research...

Just remember...the P-51 would not have been the great aircraft it was if the Brits didn't give us the rights to copy and produce their Merlin engines.

Likewise, It was the US made long range aircraft that turned the tide in the U-boat war in the north atlantic.

Kaleun1961
02-15-2006, 08:45 PM
The VLR B-24 was an awesome sub hunter. Of course, what really helped make the aircraft such a deadly sub hunter was radar. Wasn't that a British invention? If so, another example of a successful joint venture.

vietvet1950
02-15-2006, 08:53 PM
There used to be a book called "The Tenth Fleet" (don't remember the author), that detailed the WW2 ASW efforts of the US Navy, makes interesting reading, and could add some "facts" to all of these posts.
Also, in fairness to all the surface warriors, depth charges left a lot to be desired, I think there was one (or more) incidence of a sub being subjected to over 200 depth charges and still making it back.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
02-16-2006, 12:10 AM
stinkhammer6 :Hmm well I have lived in north africa and you guessed it, pakistan on my middle eastern tour. So now what tough guy? Screw the USA, I use the flag as toilet paper. Now what you gonna do? Im an american and live here, I can say and do as I wish, lest some kid in here who thinks they can tell others what to do, like leave and go away, you couldnt make a turd sink let alone anything else. And as for the military being better that I was honorably discharged and no longer a part of it? I had 4 troops who were under my command go AWOL when I left and all referred to me as being the reason, if I was leaving, so were they.



Well Sir, I've spent 12 years in the U.S. Military. I've seen my Brothers-in-Arms die and leave behind Wives, Childern friends and love ones for that very flag that you have substituted toliet tissue for. I have broken my back, been spit on at the airports and have spent hundreds of days away from the comforts of home... and all of this is for one thing:

Providing freedom for idiots like you.

I seriously doubt you've spent time on watch. The tone and actions of your posts lead me to believe that either:

A. You live in a foreign country and loath Americans.

or

B. You are a US citizen and were in the military, but was Bad Conduct Discharged.

Please respond back. It's not very often I find someone with a lack of common sense and intelligence around this forum.

Messervy
02-16-2006, 02:17 AM
He`s no longer here !

vietvet1950
02-16-2006, 11:36 AM
To A01, et al....
Far be it for me to tell anyone what to think, but as one vet to another remember the oath we took when we enlisted, to uphold and defend the Constitution? Unfortunately, that Constitution allows knuckle heads to "run their mouth".
I would submit, who cares? ignore it and focus on the true purpose of these forums, share info, trade tips and have fun

WilhelmSchulz.
02-16-2006, 01:34 PM
stupid noobs! Dont post to a thread thats been dead 7 months!

Pockets1974
02-17-2006, 08:26 AM
Tell ya what Wilhelm, quit napping during spelling class and I'll quit posting to dead threads, ok?
Regards...