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rob444_
03-15-2004, 07:09 AM
About the wallhack issue. I really like they added that, it's not like I use it but: Cheaters will no doubt use it constantly and they will get screen captured by punkbuster and they are all history. In this way, UBI will catch more cheaters which is good, anyone disagree?

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rob444_
03-15-2004, 07:09 AM
About the wallhack issue. I really like they added that, it's not like I use it but: Cheaters will no doubt use it constantly and they will get screen captured by punkbuster and they are all history. In this way, UBI will catch more cheaters which is good, anyone disagree?

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deosl
03-15-2004, 07:13 AM
Not every server have pb_ss on, also they will have to check tons of sshots.

But then again thats the lazy admins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Ubi don't catch cheaters, they "make" cheaters and pb catch them.

rob444_
03-15-2004, 07:24 AM
Yeah, it's a good combination isnt it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tonytwotoes
03-15-2004, 07:51 AM
lol they have to test them before they go into the next patch?

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Philipz
03-15-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rob444_:
About the wallhack issue. I really like they added that, it's not like I use it but: Cheaters will no doubt use it constantly and they will get screen captured by punkbuster and they are all history. In this way, UBI will catch more cheaters which is good, anyone disagree?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Disagree. The managers and some developers must want to see UBI crash and burn based on one slip up after another. This being the most severe. I think cheaters will cheat regardless if UBI makes their own widely available.

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C1v1l1an
03-15-2004, 09:27 AM
I don't think you can bust someone for having a glitch which is included in the game. It would be nice if you could decisively say that such and such a person is exploiting but say someone gets the glitch by accident and a screen shot gets taken. Also, I don't think they'd be in violation of the EULA. Sucks to be Ubi.

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FlimFlaminus
03-15-2004, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C1v1l1an:
I don't think you can bust someone for having a glitch which is included in the game. It would be nice if you could decisively say that such and such a person is exploiting but say someone gets the glitch by accident and a screen shot gets taken. Also, I don't think they'd be in violation of the EULA. Sucks to be Ubi.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Civilian this seems alittle strange comming from you. Using a glitch intentionally is the same as cheating. The unintentional will only be very brief and will probably not be repeated. If the person continually wall glitches/peeks then he/she is cheating and it is intentional. Like wise if the use the expoits that people are talking about, they have to intentionally use them. It will be no accident and it is definitely the same a cheating.

Philipz
03-15-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlimFlaminus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C1v1l1an:
I don't think you can bust someone for having a glitch which is included in the game. It would be nice if you could decisively say that such and such a person is exploiting but say someone gets the glitch by accident and a screen shot gets taken. Also, I don't think they'd be in violation of the EULA. Sucks to be Ubi.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Civilian this seems alittle strange comming from you. Using a glitch intentionally is the same as cheating. The unintentional will only be very brief and will probably not be repeated. If the person continually wall glitches/peeks then he/she is cheating and it is intentional. Like wise if the use the expoits that people are talking about, they have to intentionally use them. It will be no accident and it is definitely the same a cheating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's NOT a glitch.

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El-Gordito
03-15-2004, 10:38 AM
Sorry, but i think i may have missed something...has it been determined that the wall-peek was intentionally introduced by the devteam?

MindlessOath
03-15-2004, 10:39 AM
ya, i dont know about you guys, but time after time again, the dev's dont care, the managers are not interested, and nothing is going to get done to help our position in getting patches done, because you people dont know C++ or anything about unreal editor/code.

this will get fixed, but nothing else will. countless screwups, and still we get nothing for it.

money and power.. thats all they care about from the likes of it. has anyone talked to members of the beta team? yawn. ima stop their, cause im soooo pissed off already. i can still use the peak bug, and for some reason its still not being patched. its widly known, and people still use it, and pb cant do anything (well sorta).

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FlimFlaminus
03-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Heh, I know it's not a glitch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was mentioning the new "exploit" (or cheat) for lack of a better word. Both you (Philipz) and I know any use of this is intentional and cannot be accidentally done. The wall peek thing is a "glitch" that can be done purposely but also has been done accidentally before. But like I said, if it's an accident it's not going to happen repeatedly. This goes for any "glitch" or "cheat" (it's all semantics anyway) from the wall peek thing to going off the map, to using texture tears on a map to shoot or frag people through.

C1v1l1an
03-15-2004, 10:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlimFlaminus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C1v1l1an:
I don't think you can bust someone for having a glitch which is included in the game. It would be nice if you could decisively say that such and such a person is exploiting but say someone gets the glitch by accident and a screen shot gets taken. Also, I don't think they'd be in violation of the EULA. Sucks to be Ubi.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Civilian this seems alittle strange comming from you. Using a glitch intentionally is the same as cheating. The unintentional will only be very brief and will probably not be repeated. If the person continually wall glitches/peeks then he/she is cheating and it is intentional. Like wise if the use the expoits that people are talking about, they have to intentionally use them. It will be no accident and it is definitely the same a cheating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not that I support cheating or exploiting. I even think binds, as legitimate as they are (gamepads etc...), are cheap. That's my personal opinion.

The "major bug" might not be a glitch. I honestly don't know what it is - it's probably not important that I know. Maybe what I said doesn't make any sense and is out of context considering this. I'm just saying if no outside programs are being used and no alteration of the game code or anything else for that matter, then it's not considered a cheat by punkbuster, and therefore not punishable by a global ban. Private server admins can always ban these people, and I totally support that. Ban them and go over to their house and beat them with a piano leg for all I care, but, whatever these people are exploiting is no different than glitching off the map and shooting everyone with a 50cal sniper rifle. It falls into the same context. I'm just trying to stay objective to maintain some level of credibility.

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C1v1l1an
03-15-2004, 10:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlimFlaminus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C1v1l1an:
I don't think you can bust someone for having a glitch which is included in the game. It would be nice if you could decisively say that such and such a person is exploiting but say someone gets the glitch by accident and a screen shot gets taken. Also, I don't think they'd be in violation of the EULA. Sucks to be Ubi.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Civilian this seems alittle strange comming from you. Using a glitch intentionally is the same as cheating. The unintentional will only be very brief and will probably not be repeated. If the person continually wall glitches/peeks then he/she is cheating and it is intentional. Like wise if the use the expoits that people are talking about, they have to intentionally use them. It will be no accident and it is definitely the same a cheating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not that I support cheating or exploiting. I even think binds, as legitimate as they are (gamepads etc...), are cheap. That's my personal opinion.

The "major bug" might not be a glitch. I honestly don't know what it is - it's probably not important that I know. Maybe what I said doesn't make any sense and is out of context considering this. I'm just saying if no outside programs are being used and no there is no alteration of the game code or anything else for that matter, then it's not considered a cheat by punkbuster, and therefore not punishable by a global ban. Private server admins can always ban these people, and I totally support that. Ban them and go over to their house and beat them with a piano leg for all I care, but, whatever these people are exploiting is no different than glitching off the map and shooting everyone with a 50cal sniper rifle. It falls into the same category. I'm just trying to stay objective to maintain some level of credibility.

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C1v1l1an
03-15-2004, 10:56 AM
Plus there are no legal grounds to make a case since there is no violation of the EULA.

FlimFlaminus
03-15-2004, 11:39 AM
I see your point. But I consider that if you are using a glitch intentionally to gain an advantage, then you are cheating plain and simple. You are purposely doing it, and it is ethically/philosophically no different than running scripts or programs to gain an advantage. Glitches are not programmed into the game purposely (this last one was but is not intended for gameplay - SHAME on you UBI). If you exploit a glitch you are cheating.

I agree with you that these are probably going to be handled on the local admin level. However I do support anyone using these to be put on the MBL of punksbusted. It's not the PB Global but is a pretty comprehensive list of cheaters compiled by server admins that are caught through the use of Punkbuster violations and screen shots. The MBL is available for use by people hosting Punkbuster Enabled server. So it is kind of like a global ban list but it's not coded into the PB service. The Global Ban List is maintained by Evenbalance (the people who wrote Punkbuster). I believe it mainly consists of people who have tried to hack Punkbuster and of leaked CD keys - someone correct me if I am wrong plz.

I don't believe there is a legal issue with using the MBL since it's got nothing to do with the EULA. It's a server's admin's decision to use the list or not on thier ownb server. So I don't see the legal argument at all.

[This message was edited by FlimFlaminus on Mon March 15 2004 at 10:50 AM.]

KamisoriTenno
03-15-2004, 03:10 PM
L.O.L. reminds me on this on TV show where the police left a car wide open so someone is going to steal it and they can arrest them.

There shouldn't be no cheat in the first place, especialy not in the game itself. For SP is fun thou. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif