GRAW 360 update

[UbiRazz]

CA = Christian Allen, Lead Multiplayer Designer
HT = HangtownSOG, Ghost Recon US Community Manager

HT: First of all, why a Multiplayer Title Update?

CA: Since GRAW came out on the Xbox 360, we have been keeping a close eye on the community, monitoring forums, playing games, and seeing what issues have cropped up. Because GRAW is so popular on Live (recently hitting #1 on the 360), we felt it was important to make sure that we addressed issues that players were having, and to support the community of GRAW players who are enjoying the game every day.


HT: Will we get new maps or weapons with this update? How much will it cost?

CA: The Title Update is focused on functionality and game improvements, and aside from new Achievements, doesn’t include content like a Downloadable Content package does. The Title Update will be free for all users, and will automatically install when you connect to Live.


HT: GRAW was released in March and it is now September. Why now are we just getting a title update? And how come Chapter 2 was released before the update?

CA: Actually, you have already gotten one Title Update. When Chapter 2 was released, a small title update was released that addressed some network connectivity issues. But to your point, we are addressing a whole host of issues, many of which did not surface until after the game had been released and hundreds of thousands of Live games had been played. These include ranked games abuses and the like that were not apparent in the first days after launch. By waiting a while and gathering information before finalizing the content of the Multiplayer Title Update, we are better able to give gamers what they want, and make sure that we include some issues that weren’t immediately apparent. Also, we are doing an extensive amount of testing on this update to ensure that it does not introduce new problems. Often, you may see games that rush out updates, only to have to do more updates to fix problems introduced by the past one. We wanted to avoid that situation, and release one large comprehensive update to improve the game for players.


HT: When should we expect to see this TU up on Xbox Live?

CA: The content of the Title Update is currently complete, and is in final testing at Red Storm. We will then go through a submission and testing phase with Microsoft. We expect it to be available in September.


HT: What is the biggest change gamers should expect to see post TU launch?

CA: There are a whole host of changes that we are implementing, and if you have a look at the list I think you will be excited. Network stability, new quick match search options, matchmaking, ranked games, and some glitch fixes are just a start of the list of things we are improving. Also, I think one of the key things is that we now will only display player ranks in ranked games. I have heard a lot of players who did not care about rankings, they only want to play good games with their buddies, but felt compelled to “rank upâ€Â� so they did not look like “newbsâ€Â� in Player Matches. Now, you only need to worry about rank if that is the kind of game you want to play.


HT: New achievements are cool, but why no Achievements for Chapter 2? I heard these new ones were for Chapter 2, but according to this, they aren’t.

CA: When we released the game, we did originally plan for the new achievements to be for Chapter 2. However, once it was decided that the Chapter 2 content would be premium, we felt it was important to make the new achievements available to all GRAW players.


HT: The Assassin Achievement looks cool, but how can I get it if no one has it?

CA: Getting the Assassin Achievement is simple; find an opponent with the Achievement and kill them in a Team or Solo match! As to who will get it first, you will just have to wait and see. ?


HT: What happens if I get the Title Update and want to play with someone who doesn’t have the Title Update?

CA: All players will be required to get the title update to log into games, as is standard with updates. If you are going to a LAN party offline, either everyone has to have the update or not. You cannot “mix-and-match.â€Â�


HT: I see in the details list that the MP leaderboards and gamer scores will be reset…what’s up with that?

CA: We have made a LOT of changes to ranked games, including some tweaks to the ranking system to reduce boosting, and to the way the rules are set up to make games fairer and reduce people “stackingâ€Â� games. We felt that with changes to the rules for ranked games, it was important for everyone to start out at a level playing field. I know that some gamers won’t be happy with this, but I think that overall it will be a good thing for the community.


HT: Oh yeah also…when can we expect the next GRAW? ?

CA: If I told you…well, you know the line. ?

[Southpaw1964]

Can we have a list of the fixes please then we can judge for ourselves how exciting they are or can you just let us know if there are any southpaw options included..

Thanks.

[master_criminal]

all i can say is....its about time. Will this bring people back, yes. will this fix it so that the people who get this game for christmas stay with it, most likely. It will be out within the next 8 days.

What is the assassin achievement?????

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by master_criminal:
What is the assassin achievement?????

To get the assassin achievement all you have to do is kill somebody who already has it. They haven't said who the 1st person to have it will be though, but I suspect that it'll be somebody from Red Storm.

[Southpaw1964]

The more I read it the more I am expecting this update just to cater for the lucky people that can already play the game, why else state Multiplayer Update and not just an update but I live in hope as its such a shame so many have missed out on what could have been a great title.

[AlexOdin]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
if you have a look at the list I think you will be excited.

Can we please see the list?

[Safrole]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by master_criminal:
What is the assassin achievement?????

To get the assassin achievement all you have to do is kill somebody who already has it. They haven't said who the 1st person to have it will be though, but I suspect that it'll be somebody from Red Storm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder if that's a viral spread, i.e. the infected person continues to infect others. Or is it like handing off a baton, and the achievement is merely stating that at one time you "were it".

Viral would spread quickly to everyone, but the baton is only viable when the pertinent party (or parties) are online. There are downsides to each scenario.

[Xx_DILLINGER_xX]

CA: There are a whole host of changes that we are implementing, and if you have a look at the list I think you will be excited.



Where is this list?

[h.g.willetts]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:

HT: I see in the details list that the MP leaderboards and gamer scores will be reset…what’s up with that?

So I will become a rank 1 again, and everyone who's boosted the unversal leaderboard achievements will have them removed?

I think I'm reading that right!

I hope they've sorted the double-start glitch at the end of ranked matches, that'll cut down almost all the boosting!

[Devius666]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
CA: The content of the Title Update is currently complete, and is in final testing at Red Storm. We will then go through a submission and testing phase with Microsoft. We expect it to be available in September.

then i see no reason NOT to show us the list http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[stephen1002]

would just like to know the time and date of the update please

[Quiet-Bullet]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by master_criminal:
What is the assassin achievement?????

To get the assassin achievement all you have to do is kill somebody who already has it. They haven't said who the 1st person to have it will be though, but I suspect that it'll be somebody from Red Storm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i just hope they atleast don't let people get it then they go offline forever and its gone. i hope they got that part figured out

[Corona.Extra]

Who knows the date of the update?

[MeanMF]

If history is any guide, they'll announce the release date and complete list of fixes once the update has passed certification. Any announcement before that would be premature, because both the date and the content of the update could change.

[Evil_Shady]

Hello!

Bearly any servers in server list at all times!!!!!! Im in Canada BC and at 5pm no one is playing?

,and there are mad disconnects during the start of the game.


I hope this patch addresses the so called shaw problem!

I have had my xbox running open nat.
with the modem direct.

I then called UBI.
Ubi sayed it was shaws system that didnt have all the ports open for me.

I called Shaw.

Shaw doesnt close ports.

Its not Shaw's fault.

New games run just fine

PLease fix my prolem. Clear enough? I might actually buy the content if so.

because my town won't get the new system for the motarola modems for another 2 years.

[kryz]

It's the same for me, my NAT router port is open when i'm doing the test on my 360.
During the day and the afternoon when i'm hosting in team elimination and i can full the host with in the 3min but when i'm hosting in the evening i can wait for one hour and i never can find more than 10 people in my host...i have to go in others mode to find people.
Can someone help me with this probleme?

[GraphicDesign]

PLEASE fix the VIBRATION glitch where my controller no longer vibrates with my profile when logged into XBox Live multiplayer on GRAW.

[Tepid_DOMINATOR]

so whats the new achivements,i've herad about the assassin achievement but none of the others. we really like to know so that i can get praticing ready for the up date

[elfeoloco1]

THE ? I have is why are we not able to invite our friands in rank room.i thought the whole idea was tactical,how are we supose to be tactical if we cant play whith the guys we play with everyday.how are we supost to be tactical whith random teams in rank.

[Tepid_DOMINATOR]

The reason that you can't invite vpeople in ranked games is to stop people cheating, if you are good it shouldn't matter too much about playing with a random team.

[Devius666]

Originally posted by Tepid_DOMINATOR:
The reason that you can't invite vpeople in ranked games is to stop people cheating, if you are good it shouldn't matter too much about playing with a random team.

this is only because of the lobby system. you get to choose to be a host and can tweak all the options to your liking. and ya the current system is full of holes and can be exploited even easier if you could invite your friends.

but i mean cmon, ranked matches are where the competition is supposed to be. and thats exactly when you want to play with an organised squad.

if they adopted a proper matchmaking/party system for ranked games there would be no problems. saints row is a laggy pos right now but their matchmaking system is a great idea. works just like halo 2 except you select the gametype you want, theres no gey playlists and mixed gametype garbage.

deciding "stock" rules would be the hard part within the community. you cant have inconsistant rules for ranked games. if it ever happened that damn crosscom better get trashed. i never want to see drones anywhere near a 'competative ranked' match. its for rookies and campaign.

[squat_plep]

Does anyone know if this update will make the "Master of Ceremonies" achievement work...

Also, will they change the 3 leaderboard achievements, to just getting a rank 25, not position number 1 in the world... what a joke that was.

[OUTFOXEM]

Clarification needed:

Are they actually RESETTING the ranks? Or are they just making them invisible in Player Matches? The QA session is a little ambiguous on this matter. The closest thing to clarification on this issue is a quote from the interviewer (HT):

"I see in the details list that the MP leaderboards and gamer scores will be reset…what’s up with that?"

But halfway through the interview CA states:

"Also, I think one of the key things is that we now will only display player ranks in ranked games."

So it is an actual reset or is it the illusion of a reset? The answer seems to be the former but I'd like some clarification please.

[PiNkEyE69]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
Clarification needed:

Are they actually RESETTING the ranks? Or are they just making them invisible in Player Matches? The QA session is a little ambiguous on this matter. The closest thing to clarification on this issue is a quote from the interviewer (HT):

"I see in the details list that the MP leaderboards and gamer scores will be reset…what’s up with that?"

But halfway through the interview CA states:

"Also, I think one of the key things is that we now will only display player ranks in ranked games."

So it is an actual reset or is it the illusion of a reset? The answer seems to be the former but I'd like some clarification please.

Seemed straightforward to me.
They're resetting the ranks and also making it so that ranks don't appear by the players name in non-ranked game (so that people don't poke fun of low ranks guys anymore in player matches)

[Southpaw1964]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by UbiRazz:

We expect it to be available in September.
[QUOTE]

Last working day of September tomorrow (can't see a saturday or sunday release) dare we hope of some news today? for a friday release hmmmm.

[Southpaw1964]

So that would be a NO then.... nothing new there. Thanks UBI for keeping us all informed.

[Serellan]

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to give you a quick update on the Update. It is currently in final testing and certification with Microsoft, and we currently expect it to be available in early October.

[Southpaw1964]

Thanks but can you please just put us out of our misery and post the "List" pretty please.

[Serellan]

Originally posted by Southpaw1964:
Thanks but can you please just put us out of our misery and post the "List" pretty please.

Sorry, the list will be posted when the TU becomes available.

[Southpaw1964]

Thanks for the prompt reply shame its not the one we wanted to hear but I can read between the lines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Cheers

[pmw1718]

Any idea how early in Oct? Are we looking within a week or 2 weeks? Also Will the Master of Ceremonies Achievement be fixed?

[lonegunman718]

they could stop the cheating by fixing the bugs/glitches, the reason we all pay $50 a year is for are friends list and ease to jump into whatever game your friend is in why limit it.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by lonegunman718:
the reason we all pay $50 a year is for are friends list and ease to jump into whatever game your friend is in why limit it.
It's not limited..Just don't play ranked games.

[ZPaul2Fresh8]

Originally posted by Serellan:
Hi everyone,

Just wanted to give you a quick update on the Update. It is currently in final testing and certification with Microsoft, and we currently expect it to be available in early October.

Thanks for the update Christian.

I wonder if the looping firing sound when switching through players when spectating is fixed? It seems to happen when you switch to another person to spectate after he/she is reloading after firing off a clip.

Anyone else know what I'm saying?

[Safrole]

I have heard this, but find it difficult to reproduce. I believe it's a lag issue which for me disappears entirely when the host is strong.

[TH3Hammer]

I see this post coming next month...

"Hi everyone,

Just wanted to give you a quick update on the Update. It is currently in final testing and certification with Microsoft, and we currently expect it to be available in early November."

[Devius666]

Originally posted by Serellan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Southpaw1964:
Thanks but can you please just put us out of our misery and post the "List" pretty please.

Sorry, the list will be posted when the TU becomes available. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ya great idea. keep a mysterious shroud over the change list and anger us even more. we see upcoming change lists for pc games all the time why does the console world need to be so frustrating and difficult? tell us whats in store. quit stringing us along.

the real strategy here is, to string everyone along until the trade in value of the title becomes so little that its not even worth trading in and then everyones stuck with it lol.

on a side note, if you trade in 3 360 games you get a new title for free at eb games, regardless of the old game's trade in value http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif so im not entirely hooped having to wait this long to see if MY personal game breaking issues are being addressed or not.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by Devius666:
ya great idea. keep a mysterious shroud over the change list and anger us even more.
Are you seriously getting angry over a list of bug fixes for a played-out 6-month-old game? Maybe it's time to turn the computer off for a while.

[DaveeCee]

This will be very welcome. GRAW has been very unreliable lately.

[ubermoob]

Noone is kidding about the problems this game has online. I tried to get in on some of the online mayhem the other night . When I finally got into a team elimination room I had a chance to run approximately 10 yards before I got booted from the game....I said to myself "screw this <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>I just waited like 20 minutes or w/e to get into this game and I get booted before I even see my first oponent." What the <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> I didn't pay you people 50 bucks for this garbage ..dude I used to run UT 2003 on a mother <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> dial up modem with better results . Yall should be taken out back and whipped at the very least for this kind of <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>. I thought xbox live was supposed to be free of the sort of connection problems in the general internet due to it being a closed network requiring high speed connection from all users . LMFAO what a joke . I should maybe try battlefield 2 online instead of GRAW ...do all of microsoft's online games have this sort of connection issues ? God I hope not...I'll be asking for a refund if they do . Better to upgrade my computer's hardware then to tolerate half <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> online gaming .

[Tepid_HANJOB]

Originally posted by Tepid_DOMINATOR:
The reason that you can't invite vpeople in ranked games is to stop people cheating, if you are good it shouldn't matter too much about playing with a random team.

Thats rich coming from you! You got our entire clan kicked of the clan ladder when you took it upon yourself to perpetually cheat during clan games and then when questioned you just came out with a racist comment and left the game CHEERS!

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by ubermoob:
Noone is kidding about the problems this game has online. I tried to get in on some of the online mayhem the other night . When I finally got into a team elimination room I had a chance to run approximately 10 yards before I got booted from the game....I said to myself "screw this <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>I just waited like 20 minutes or w/e to get into this game and I get booted before I even see my first oponent." What the <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> I didn't pay you people 50 bucks for this garbage ..dude I used to run UT 2003 on a mother <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> dial up modem with better results . Yall should be taken out back and whipped at the very least for this kind of <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>. I thought xbox live was supposed to be free of the sort of connection problems in the general internet due to it being a closed network requiring high speed connection from all users . LMFAO what a joke . I should maybe try battlefield 2 online instead of GRAW ...do all of microsoft's online games have this sort of connection issues ? God I hope not...I'll be asking for a refund if they do . Better to upgrade my computer's hardware then to tolerate half <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> online gaming .

So you're mad at Ubisoft and Microsoft because one guy tried to host more than he could? It's not Microsoft or Ubisoft doing the hosting.

Furthermore, why would you wait 20 minutes to play Sharpshooter? You have no one to blame but yourself.

[elfeoloco1]

1.so ubi's concern's are 4 the people that cheat.leaving the 1's that dont in the dust. 2.also being good does not mean that person is going to take down 8 other good players. 3.so why not change the the ranking all together,and maybe for rank make it like splinter cell and join a squad or creeate a squad so we are playn whith who we want and againts.lol im the worst speller ever 4.who am i to jump in a room and start barking orders on people,there gona tell me go to hell,as i would,why would i want to play with people that dont comunicate or dont know how. ubi has lost alot of players over this not to menchion the altoment 3rd person its not realistic i can play with eather but if ubi left it like the original game would be booming even more.thats the whole reson people get this xboxes,for the realism.PS JUST N OPINION FROM A NOBODY THANKS FOR ANSWERING BACK.THERS alot more i want to say n sagest sorry for spelling

[Tepid_DOMINATOR]

quote:
Originally poster by Tepid_HANJOB
Thats rich coming from you! You got our entire clan kicked of the clan ladder when you took it upon yourself to perpetually cheat during clan games and then when questioned you just came out with a racist comment and left the game CHEERS!


Let mr just tell you this i know who u are and the prof is avaible for every1 to see who was cheating. plus you and your whole clan was being abusive to me and the rest of my clan so who's the cheater. plus you must be really sad to make another profile just to leave that msg

[Tepid_DOMINATOR]

oh yes here's the prof of the cheating clan
http://media.putfile.com/shadowgodsglitchin

they are the shadow gods they will cheat to win.

[elfeoloco1]

the name says it all.lololo good catch i have clan and u beter balive if i catch any 1 cheating,glitching mesg or chating there out

[ubermoob]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ubermoob:
Noone is kidding about the problems this game has online. I tried to get in on some of the online mayhem the other night . When I finally got into a team elimination room I had a chance to run approximately 10 yards before I got booted from the game....I said to myself "screw this <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>I just waited like 20 minutes or w/e to get into this game and I get booted before I even see my first oponent." What the <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> I didn't pay you people 50 bucks for this garbage ..dude I used to run UT 2003 on a mother <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> dial up modem with better results . Yall should be taken out back and whipped at the very least for this kind of <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span>. I thought xbox live was supposed to be free of the sort of connection problems in the general internet due to it being a closed network requiring high speed connection from all users . LMFAO what a joke . I should maybe try battlefield 2 online instead of GRAW ...do all of microsoft's online games have this sort of connection issues ? God I hope not...I'll be asking for a refund if they do . Better to upgrade my computer's hardware then to tolerate half <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> online gaming .

So you're mad at Ubisoft and Microsoft because one guy tried to host more than he could? It's not Microsoft or Ubisoft doing the hosting.

Furthermore, why would you wait 20 minutes to play Sharpshooter? You have no one to blame but yourself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would I take the blame ? They have no proper server list . The only option available is to select your game type and let the system auto select a room for you. WTF is that ? I have never seen such a system before . Its ultra weak . Every fps I have ever played online from UT to C&C to Star Wars battlefront to Halo to hell you name it they all have a server list not some automated thing that selects a room for you . I tried to find other rooms for the type of match I wanted to play. The damned thing kept putting me in the same 2 rooms the 1 I got booted from and some room that had like 6 ppl in it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif How do you manage to find a suitable room with no server list ? There should be a LARGE easy to interpret list of servers with the game information displayed for each server . And a refresh button or auto refresh feature to keep it up to date . Why don't they have that ? Don't make excuses for them . Another question : Where are the dedicated servers ? Why is it entirely up to the gamers to host the games themselves ?

[XyZspineZyX]

Im guessing you dont know this judging from your above post

The server search system isn’t great however that’s because it doesn’t refresh rapidly enough.

There are 2 main server search functions (aside from hosting your own room or joining friends)

Quick match will throw you pretty much into the first available room
The second search option allows you to set what sort of game you are looking for and details a list of servers (I’m assuming you’ve not used this as you state there are no server lists) If you use this function it will detail the host gamertag, what gametype their hosting and how many people are in the room. Now as I mention above its not great because the refresh rate is slow so when you see a room with i.e. 6 if 12 players that would be what was in the room a couple of mins ago so it could now be full but it does none the less give the option to list servers with details of gametypes etc

Regarding dedi servers, even IF they provided them that wouldnt ensure good rooms. EA for example provide their own servers and yet are the worst for online game issues with lag etc.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by ubermoob:
The only option available is to select your game type and let the system auto select a room for you.

It's really the only way to make it fair, at least for ranked matches, but it's still subject to abuse as long as you can quit out with no repercussions.


Originally posted by ubermoob:
And a refresh button or auto refresh feature to keep it up to date . Why don't they have that ?

Pinging a host uses up a little of their bandwidth..If hundreds of people are constantly pinging all of the servers on the list, it adds up pretty quickly.


Originally posted by ubermoob:
Where are the dedicated servers ? Why is it entirely up to the gamers to host the games themselves ?
Dedicated servers cost a lot more $$$ than letting people host their own matches. They'll keep it this way as long as they can get away with it.

[Kristhebhoy]

So now it is an October release. Im sick of the lies. I would rather your estimates were more conservative. Had you said October in the first place, no one would have an issue right now. I can see the response now though, "It is up to Microsoft now". Yeah shift the blame as usual. Poor show as usual.

[ubermoob]

Ah I see . Thank you for the answers ms-kleaneasy and meanmf . I do realize some of the problems on the company's end with dedicated servers but I am still surprised they don't have any . I probably shouldn't be though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by ubermoob:
Why would I take the blame ? They have no proper server list . The only option available is to select your game type and let the system auto select a room for you. WTF is that ? I have never seen such a system before . Its ultra weak . Every fps I have ever played online from UT to C&C to Star Wars battlefront to Halo to hell you name it they all have a server list not some automated thing that selects a room for you . I tried to find other rooms for the type of match I wanted to play. The damned thing kept putting me in the same 2 rooms the 1 I got booted from and some room that had like 6 ppl in it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif How do you manage to find a suitable room with no server list ? There should be a LARGE easy to interpret list of servers with the game information displayed for each server . And a refresh button or auto refresh feature to keep it up to date . Why don't they have that ? Don't make excuses for them . Another question : Where are the dedicated servers ? Why is it entirely up to the gamers to host the games themselves ?

They DO have a LARGE easy to interpret list of servers with the game information displayed for each server. And a refresh button to keep it up to date.

Try selecting something besides "Quick Match."

Unbelievable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Kristhebhoy:
So now it is an October release. Im sick of the lies. I would rather your estimates were more conservative. Had you said October in the first place, no one would have an issue right now. I can see the response now though, "It is up to Microsoft now". Yeah shift the blame as usual. Poor show as usual.

This is exactly why we usually dont see any info.

No matter what everyones told their not happy, we got an update a few weeks ago because we all wanted to know what was happening. At that time the update was clearly on target for the end of september, since then somethings gone a little array and now its early october, which could be not more than a couple days difference and yet your complaining they should have told you otcober in the first place and rambling about passing the buck.

I really dont know what you want them to say tbh, in fact im not even sure you do

[Scoliotic]

Originally posted by Kristhebhoy:
So now it is an October release. Im sick of the lies. I would rather your estimates were more conservative. Had you said October in the first place, no one would have an issue right now. I can see the response now though, "It is up to Microsoft now". Yeah shift the blame as usual. Poor show as usual. It's really your own fault for not having any critical thinking skills. The info comes at the end of September with a couple days and it says they "hope it's out in September." Really, how clueless can you be? The MS certification proccess does take time also since you're unimformed on that too.

[Serellan]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I really dont know what you want them to say tbh, in fact im not even sure you do

2010?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Serellan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I really dont know what you want them to say tbh, in fact im not even sure you do

2010?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by Serellan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I really dont know what you want them to say tbh, in fact im not even sure you do

2010?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweet I should go post that on the Xbox forums.

That'd be a riot.

[MeanMF]

2010, 20/10...October 20th! You heard it here first!

[ShooterMcDank]

Ya know i dont mind if they reset the ranks but now being able to host a room with friends is bull. You say that if your good enough u should be able to play with anyone but thats not true. If your team is **** then u will be too. Leave the **** the way it is and just reset the ranking, if people dont wanna play ranked games they dont have to. One of the best parts of playing this game is being able to actually play with your friends and i think that if you take that away ur not gonna find a lot of people playing this game. With exception of the whiney *****es that suck at it and cant handle playing with the big boys. If im wrong tell me but i think a lot of people will agree.

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by ShooterMcDank:
Ya know i dont mind if they reset the ranks but now being able to host a room with friends is bull. You say that if your good enough u should be able to play with anyone but thats not true. If your team is **** then u will be too. Leave the **** the way it is and just reset the ranking, if people dont wanna play ranked games they dont have to. One of the best parts of playing this game is being able to actually play with your friends and i think that if you take that away ur not gonna find a lot of people playing this game. With exception of the whiney *****es that suck at it and cant handle playing with the big boys. If im wrong tell me but i think a lot of people will agree.

Where do people keep getting this notion that you can't play with your friends? It's not like it's going to prevent anyone who's on your friends list from entering the game.

You've never been able to invite your friends to a ranked game anyway so what's the problem?

[DOPEMrCartman]

Ubisoft=Bush Administration

[UbiRazz]

That's correct, we run the US (and have power over most of the world) - GO UBISOFT!

[BS PALADIN]

Originally posted by DOPEMrCartman:
Ubisoft=Bush Administration

You're an idiot.

[Southpaw1964]

Originally posted by PALADIN_BS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DOPEMrCartman:
Ubisoft=Bush Administration

You're an idiot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We all bought the game and keep swallowing UBI's second nay third rate customer service that makes most of us idiots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[AlexOdin]

The update is out there.

You can see your new achievements in your xbox profile.

And...I have not seen the lsit of changes yet. Did I miss it?

[DOPEMrCartman]

No. They refuse to release a list. Abuse of customers that is going on is not acceptable.

[Serellan]

Originally posted by AlexOdin:
The update is out there.

I don't believe it has been released yet, MS has just updated the Achievements list with the upcoming Achievements.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3291043913/m/3621003784

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by DOPEMrCartman:
No. They refuse to release a list. Abuse of customers that is going on is not acceptable.
Charging for the update would be abuse. Keeping idiots like you in suspense is just funny.

[StandoffLine]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DOPEMrCartman:
No. They refuse to release a list. Abuse of customers that is going on is not acceptable.
Charging for the update would be abuse. Keeping idiots like you in suspense is just funny. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> well sed

[REV1Z]

yea just as funny as saying the update would be out in sept. right?

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
yea just as funny as saying the update would be out in sept. right?

Oh give me a break sometimes you guys are like spoilt kids. They said they hoped it would be out in september, its not, theyve told us its not. Its only 2nd october and some are acting like they broke your eldery grans hip replacement

If its still not here come the end of the month i would fully understand people whining but this is plain daft

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
yea just as funny as saying the update would be out in sept. right?
Yep, even funnier than people who can't tell the difference between "Expect" and "Guarantee".

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
yea just as funny as saying the update would be out in sept. right?

Oh give me a break sometimes you guys are like spoilt kids. They said they hoped it would be out in september, its not, theyve told us its not. Its only 2nd october and some are acting like they broke your eldery grans hip replacement

If its still not here come the end of the month i would fully understand people whining but this is plain daft </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No. it was said that the update was completed and should be released in sept. im not acting spoiled im holding ppl acountable for their words.

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
yea just as funny as saying the update would be out in sept. right?
Yep, even funnier than people who can't tell the difference between "Expect" and "Guarantee". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


figured you would have to put your ignorance towards my statement

[MeanMF]

Here it is for the seemingly illiterate:

ex‧pectâ€"š

â€"verb (used with object) 1. to look forward to; regard as likely to happen; anticipate the occurrence or the coming of: I expect to read it. I expect him later. She expects that they will come.
2. to look for with reason or justification: We expect obedience.
3. Informal. to suppose or surmise; guess: I expect that you are tired from the trip.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
No. it was said that the update was completed and should be released in sept. im not acting spoiled im holding ppl acountable for their words.

actually the word used was expect


HT: When should we expect to see this TU up on Xbox Live?

CA: The content of the Title Update is currently complete, and is in final testing at Red Storm. We will then go through a submission and testing phase with Microsoft. We expect it to be available in September.

Dictionary definition........


to look forward to; regard as likely to happen; anticipate the occurrence or the coming of: I expect to read it. I expect him later. She expects that they will come.

So there was no promise, there was no guarantee, perhaps if we are going to hold people accountable for their words we should first ensure we know what they said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

*edit - i note meanmf beat me too it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[REV1Z]

well usually when someone expects something within a profession orginization to get done by a certain timeline it usually gets done.
ty you guys for wasting your time to make yourselfs more literate by fingering through the dictionairy for me.
maybe then the ignorace on this board will be conquered.

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
well usually when someone expects something within a profession orginization to get done by a certain timeline it usually gets done.

You yourself just said "usually" twice in the same statement. You know what "usually" means, right? Or do I have to go back to dictionary.com...

By the way, if it's not released in October and you want to hold someone "acountable", you'll want to post on Microsoft's forums because it won't be a Ubisoft issue.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
well usually when someone expects something within a profession orginization to get done by a certain timeline it usually gets done.
You've obviously never worked in the corporate world....

[pmw1718]

Everyone should stop trying to explain to the dee da dee how things worked. He must be someone still in school or maybe a foreigner who does not speak or understand the language. You can not help these idiots!

Ubisoft and Redstorm, keep cranking out the awesome games!!!

[h.g.willetts]

Is there a release date yet?

or even a date to inform us when the release date is going to be released?

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by pmw1718:
Everyone should stop trying to explain to the dee da dee how things worked. He must be someone still in school or maybe a foreigner who does not speak or understand the language. You can not help these idiots!

Ubisoft and Redstorm, keep cranking out the awesome games!!!



you are all trolls

[pmw1718]

Name calling on the internet. Very mature, thus my comment of someone still in school. Thank you for proving my point. DEE DA DEE

[KILLSPREE1982]

man what a bunch of wingers and whiners at the end of the day they said its on its way just be patient a few more days are not going to hurt you just play the game and when the update gets here it gets here aint worth getting your thongs in a twist over is it

peace
spree

[DOPEMrCartman]

With regards to the issue of waiting to release a patch due to looking into posts and what gamers wanted, why is it then when I gave ubisoft and microsoft a call, they said it was infact my connection? Why only when ch 2 comes out do we get acknowledgement of a problem on ubi's part? why did that not fix the problem? and also, why does this talk of looking at forums to acknowledge problems with the game based on gamers views even exist? These problems were present and acknowledged within the first 3 months after the release. This strikes me as a plot of deliberate disinformation put fourth by ubi to keep focus on their best selling game due to the recent failures of their more recent ventures. Why cannot we get a release of a list of what the patch will fix? Why do we only get information on correcting connectivity issues that should have been addressed far earlier than now?
I understand that a previous patch was included with ch 2, why didn't this correct anything? Why didn't this include the most basic fixes, in-game action music, jesus floating, etc.? I have many questions, as well as other gamers that are going unanswered and are being replied to with rhetoric and a disinformation campaign launched by ubi to keep expectations high and simple minded people guessing on whether to trade in or keep their game. I also would like to point out to all the disinformed that ubi, or any video game making company, does not get profit from traded in games that are purchased, so it is easy to see what is going on.

[OrganicJamMan]

Well said DOPEMrCartman. I personally love GRAW and all of the previous Ghost Recon games but i do feel let down by Ubisofts customer service. Although Ubisoft did brilliantly with GRAW as it is, there were major multiplayer problems straight from the start which should have been fixed months ago just after launch, not six months down the line in which time they managed to release a overpriced chapter 2 that was completely hyped up (although the co-op missions were pretty damn good). I doesn't take six months to discover the networking problems and the different stupid pathetic ways that people cheat. Also with southpaw support WTF?
How long do you wanna take just to change the control layout? Ubi are losing a large amount of potential buyers just because they can't be stuffed to change the controls. That is awfull customer support. Oh and anyone complaining about the patch not being released yet please grow up already. Ubi did say they expected the patch to be released in September, they had it done by the end of September but Microsoft will spend at least a couple of days with it testing etc. Keep releasing the good games Ubi but please, please, please improve your customer relations.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
you are all trolls

For once the Resident Victor Meldrew has little to say.

All you ever seem to do is moan, moan, moan.

[Safrole]

For those of you playing at home, I'd like to be the first to say that "OrganicJamMan" is just a sock puppet for DOPEMrCartman. That is to say the same person authors both of their posts.

Oh and Cartman/JamMan let me give you some advice for creating a proper sock puppet. You need to change writing styles, introduce or eliminate missspellings and for the love of GOD don't high five yourself on the very next post! Of course if you were higher functioning in the first place you wouldn't NEED a sock puppet to stick up for your thoughts, so I guess it's a catch 22. A couple other pointers- you shouldn't pick out a name for your new character that is so close to your primary one. Right now they're too phonetically similar. And the last tip- when denying your sock puppet after a post like this it helps to claim that he's a personal friend or even your brother. That should help to increase public doubt over an allegation like this. I just don't want you to say something dumb like "I don't know who this guy is, he's just another level-headed guy like me." I don't think anyone will bite on that.

It's too bad Kleaneasy locked my poll, but I suppose she was just doing her job.

[OrganicJamMan]

1.Er OrganicJamMans one of my Gamertags as well as AlmightyRaisin. 2.I dont know about DOPEMrCartman but im from the UK. 3. Why the hell do people only post stupid comments like your's whenever anything negative is said of Ubisoft?
3. Whats the point of making a "sock puppet"? 4. Why would i be ******ed enough to make a "sock puppet"? 5. I'm not a muppet, if i made a "sock puppet" account then i would obviously change my writing style, misspellings ( or as you put it missspellings). Oh and er DOPEMRCartman may be my long lost twin brother, separated at birth by the outbreak of the Vietnam war. Or not. Anyway, anyone got a reply to my previous statement, that isn't arrogant, stupid or just smartass?

[OrganicJamMan]

Oh and Safrole your reply is pretty funny, made me laugh. Keep up the good work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[Safrole]

Well if you're a real person I apologize. You'll also need to begin reviling Cartman very soon because the only thing worse than a blind fanboy is a crusading whiner.

[OrganicJamMan]

Thankyou Safrole. DOPEMRCartman although some of your points are true (eg.Ubi taking ages to release a patch)I doubt that they have some uber evil campaign to misinform the world, for instance them saying that the patch will be out at the end of September but then it coming out in October. Oh no!It doesn't make sense, they may gain money from trade-ins through the customers buying the pre owned game purchasing Chapter 2 or Gamerpics, themes etc. Ubi won't lose money on trade-ins at all. I think the reason that Ubi have spent so long fixing these problems is because they are working on a strict deadline for games like Rainbow six and Assassins Creed, but even if this is the case they still should of released the update for GRAW earlier.

[jroe30]

Has anyone noticed the new achievements in GRAW when you compare games with someone on your friends list. These achievements are only available when you compare games, not when you look at your own achievements. I did not receive the achievement when I met the required criteria, which leads me to believe they are not yet available. Is this part of the new TU patch (??).

[OrganicJamMan]

That would be microsoft updating the achievements already, but you wont be able to get them until the patch comes out which will be soon hopefully.

[Kristhebhoy]

Well excuse me for being a tad annoyed at the situation. Having to wait 6 months for a patch to fix a game which has been broken from launch leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

How was the drop out problem in multiplayer missed during testing? Unless testing was done using super connections then couldnt have been missed. Even then if testing was conducted in that way then it was a fairly fruitless exercise considering the majority of customers do not have such connections. Basically my belief is that many of the issues were known about before launch and it was decided that fixing them would mean too long a delay. The money people couldn't have had that. I mean we even saw a premium content download before a fix. Says it all really.

Then we get news of a fancy new patch due out in September. "Finally" was the cry from most people and rightfully so. What kind of reaction do you expect when they are then told to basically wait another week?

[OrganicJamMan]

I don't think all of the issues were known before launch because before launch only a handfull of people would be playing the game on fast and stable internet connections, unlike the thousands who play it now. The problems must of been known just after release though and personally i would have taken a patch over chapter 2 anyday. I think its just Ubi's bad customer support. What i'm doing while waiting is playing different 360 games like say Chromehounds for example. Its only a week or two.

[kc9400]

oh my god no one has any patience just wait itl be here soon enough and we can start are ladder climb again yippeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Southpaw1964]

Originally posted by kc9400:
oh my god no one has any patience just wait itl be here soon enough and we can start are ladder climb again yippeeeeeeeeeeeee

6 months on and the games still not fixed surely thats patience enough ffs... sheesh

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Southpaw1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kc9400:
oh my god no one has any patience just wait itl be here soon enough and we can start are ladder climb again yippeeeeeeeeeeeee

6 months on and the games still not fixed surely thats patience enough ffs... sheesh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I appreciate everyone views things differently but surely if you have been waiting patiently for 6 months what difference does a couple more days make? There is really no point moaning now when we know its going to be here very soon, the complaining before we knew anything i understood but this is silly
although southpaw you've not been patient at any point along the way so i guess i shouldnt really be surprised

[pmw1718]

No Doubt, Geez. Play the game, if you dont like get rid of it. People that enjoy this game can wait just a little longer. Stop crying about it. Its coming soon. Axl Rose said it best, "Just a little patience, yeah yeah."

[Safrole]

He also said "I used to love her, but I had to kill her..."

[SirWhupalot]

"Welcome to the jungle mines" has gotta be my fave!

[Safrole]

Whupalot you're one in a million. That's what you are.

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by methz68:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
you are all trolls

For once the Resident Victor Meldrew has little to say.

All you ever seem to do is moan, moan, moan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



comming from someone who lacks the intellectual prowess of a jackrabbit, ill take that as a compliment

[GraphicDesign]

Name calling is inappropriate.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
comming from someone who lacks the intellectual prowess of a jackrabbit, ill take that as a compliment

Coming (correct spelling) from someone with limited Literacy skills, I'll take that as a compliment.

[pmw1718]

Originally posted by methz68:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
comming from someone who lacks the intellectual prowess of a jackrabbit, ill take that as a compliment

Coming (correct spelling) from someone with limited Literacy skills, I'll take that as a compliment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang that's funny!!! I don't care who you are, that's funny!

[kc9400]

oh my god no one has any patience just wait itl be here soon enough and we can start are ladder climb again yippeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kc9400]

once the patch is here we can judge for ourselves whether it was worth the wait or not. either way i love the game its great and i think that its hard because some people are just never happy so when it does come out there will no doubt be someone who wants to have a moan and groan.

[XyZspineZyX]

meth & rev pack it in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ubermoob]

My only hope is that the patch fixes the connection problems. I have been playing this online for 3 weeks now and enjoying the game GREATLY . The only hang up is the way the game likes to freeze up during loading and the way either the host or individual players randomly lose connection during matches. I have had all 3 of these things happen to me more times than I can even begin to count and I've only been online with GRAW for 3 weeks. It's extremely frustrating when you've found a great group of ppl to play with. Good rooms are often hard to find.People tend to be way too good and arrogant/condescending because of it or they suck hard and have no skill or will to cooperate with their team.No matter what when you get dropped from 3 matches in a row and are forced to find a new room so you can actually play it's a total bummer.

Sometimes muting the mic before the start of the match and unmuting it again after you have selected your weapon helps eliminate freezing but sometimes it doesn't . Sometimes it freezes anyways . 1 thing is certain : don't try to talk or take any other actions during the time the map is loading . Doing so seems to result in a 80% chance of disconnection or freeze up .

[Safrole]

I think you're talking about ranked play. If so, you should know that a ranked room is actually SUPPOSED to drop after each round. Unfortunately it's glitched and hitting start twice brings everyone back to the same lobby instead of disconnecting, albeit on much more shaky ground regarding the connections. This is why they have their little rain dances to try to keep the room alive. (mute the mic, don't move for 10 seconds, etc.)

Cast that yoke off. Move to player matches where connections are more solid, winning is not so crucial to the experience and you're not working toward a number that will only be reset within a few weeks.

[tom131]

I was wondering, when will this update come out? I first heard it would be oct.1 but its apparently not that, can you give me a roundabout date that it might be out?

[Safrole]

That's the million dollar question right now, bro. First they thought it would be in September, but then later revised that estimate to "sometime in October". I would hazard a guess that Microsoft balked at something minor during the certification process. I don't think Serellan would have extended September hope to the wolves around here (you know who you are) unless he felt it was pretty sure. Since it became unsure AFTER that, I would bet the delay emerged with Microsoft.

[Kristhebhoy]

Yes blame Microsoft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Im guessing October 31st now to avoid any further disappointment.

[pmw1718]

Let's all make a pool. Get on Paypal, throw in some money, and we all can pick dates. whoever gets closest or right on gets the pot!!! LOL

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
1.Er OrganicJamMans one of my Gamertags as well as AlmightyRaisin. 2.I dont know about DOPEMrCartman but im from the UK. 3. Why the hell do people only post stupid comments like your's whenever anything negative is said of Ubisoft?

tell me about it, dont bring a mention of discontent in this room or you will get flamed on by the ubi trolls

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by methz68:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
comming from someone who lacks the intellectual prowess of a jackrabbit, ill take that as a compliment

Coming (correct spelling) from someone with limited Literacy skills, I'll take that as a compliment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually it shows more about typing skills than anything else shows how much you know about (Literacy)

[OrganicJamMan]

quote:
Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
1.Er OrganicJamMans one of my Gamertags as well as AlmightyRaisin. 2.I dont know about DOPEMrCartman but im from the UK. 3. Why the hell do people only post stupid comments like your's whenever anything negative is said of Ubisoft?



tell me about it, dont bring a mention of discontent in this room or you will get flamed on by the ubi trolls.

Well i suppose thats what we get for posting on the official Ubisoft forums, a load of fanboys who can't see any other side of an arguement stating the Ubi has done a bad job.

Does anyone think that Microsoft has found a problem? Because that will put the update back at least half a month.

http://my.livecard.net/h3/AlmightyRaisin.png

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
quote:
Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
1.Er OrganicJamMans one of my Gamertags as well as AlmightyRaisin. 2.I dont know about DOPEMrCartman but im from the UK. 3. Why the hell do people only post stupid comments like your's whenever anything negative is said of Ubisoft?



tell me about it, dont bring a mention of discontent in this room or you will get flamed on by the ubi trolls.

Well i suppose thats what we get for posting on the official Ubisoft forums, a load of fanboys who can't see any other side of an arguement stating the Ubi has done a bad job.

Does anyone think that Microsoft has found a problem? Because that will put the update back at least half a month.

If you think that everyone on these forums kisses Ubi's ***, head on over to the GRAW PC forums or even the Rainbow Six: Vegas forums.

The point is, it's a great game already and you're nitpicking. Not everyone gets so angry over little things. You'll die at an early age (or wish you did) if you carry on such anger throughout your lives.

Let it go, people. Just let it go...

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
Does anyone think that Microsoft has found a problem? Because that will put the update back at least half a month.


Half a month? it can take longer than that for MS to put content on the marketplace when theres nothing wrong with it, IF there were something wrong with it half a month wouldnt give anyone time to resolve the problem so lets not start conspiracy theorys ehh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ubermoob]

Originally posted by Safrole:
I think you're talking about ranked play. If so, you should know that a ranked room is actually SUPPOSED to drop after each round. Unfortunately it's glitched and hitting start twice brings everyone back to the same lobby instead of disconnecting, albeit on much more shaky ground regarding the connections. This is why they have their little rain dances to try to keep the room alive. (mute the mic, don't move for 10 seconds, etc.)

Cast that yoke off. Move to player matches where connections are more solid, winning is not so crucial to the experience and you're not working toward a number that will only be reset within a few weeks.

Actually I only play player matches. I have not played a single ranked game yet. Partially because I know the ranks will soon be reset but also I am not out to prove myself with a rank. I have reservations about running into the people that think they are hot stuff because they are better at a video game than I am
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
thus acting like arrogant buffoons. Admittedly I have yelled at my teammates before because they sucked but I think it's at least partially justifiable when your team doesn't even try to work as such . You know , the people that don't communicate and or don't listen when you say "DUDE !! , There's someone to your right in the gully by the bridge I would be carefu......IDIOT I told you he was right there !" or maybe "Hey they're flanking us to the left side trying to reach the spawn . Could a rifleman or gunner go intercept them ? " only to be blasted by said invaders a few minutes later cause everyone on my team is solo gungho all over the map .
Despite these frequent problems in player matches I know I probably have half the skill of many of the veterans of the GR series . I have been completely owned more than once by people that played fair but were so good it felt like they cheated cuz they just annihilated me everytime I left cover .

Maybe I will check out the ranked games after the rank reset .
Still the fact is that the problems I have experienced were ALL in player matches.

[bow657]

NEW ACHIEVEMENTS AVAILABLE!!

The new achievements ie; crack shot, assassin etc are now available to unlock.

I will keep you posted as to the other updates as and when they will happen.

good shooting guys!!

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

the problem not only persists with ranked or nonranked. it is with the type of gameplay. sharpshooter is filled with more juvinile players. not all just a higher percintage. games like seige you will find a higher percentage of mature respectable players. try seige. there is only one life per player but most games go fast and restart fast and while dead you can watch your teamates and get tips. also some of the best players ive ever played with play seige. you only get better by playing with someone better than yourself.

[Safrole]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
... lets not start conspiracy theorys ehh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Actually I have it on pretty good authority that Bill Gates misplaced the flash drive with the secret key they use to sign 360 content. It was inadvertently switched with the one onto which he had downloaded a "Girls Gone Wild" video and caused quite a stir at the office.

Oh and Ubermoob I'm surprised that you have consistent connection issues in player matches. The complete chain of a good, solid connection has a million places where minor faults can rob performance and cause lag and drops. Everyone thinks it's the other guy lagging, but maybe it's you. I'm on comcast cable and I had to put in new coax, just from the exterior junction to my router, and I had to replace the splitter that fed my router with one of the modern high-frequency ones. When some people have issues and some do not, then the localized nature of the problem dictates you look at those individual connections first. The lack of lag in other games is not a mitigating factor either. GRAW has 16 people in a room, and any number of them may be receiving crosscom data, which is a whole separate set of viewpoint data. I think GRAW is surely one of the most strenuous games on one's connection. Well, except for some of the ones that are new or maybe using network traffic inefficiently. Saints Row comes to mind.

[pmw1718]

Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
the problem not only persists with ranked or nonranked. it is with the type of gameplay. sharpshooter is filled with more juvinile players. not all just a higher percintage. games like seige you will find a higher percentage of mature respectable players. try seige. there is only one life per player but most games go fast and restart fast and while dead you can watch your teamates and get tips. also some of the best players ive ever played with play seige. you only get better by playing with someone better than yourself.

Yep, siege is the best!!! thats all I play

[OrganicJamMan]

Starting a conspiracy theory eh? I was just asking a question. Anyway looking back on my previous reply it kinda sounded like i was saying everyone's a fanboy on this forum, which they're not, just some are. I'm not angry about GRAW i think its a really, really good game but i am disapointed at Ubi for taking ages to release the patch and since now the patch is coming out its nice to know that Ubis have finally done something. Also no-one can deny that they have taken ages to get the patch out, for instance COD 2 got a patch out ages ago, and that game had far worse problems online than GRAW so why did they take so long?

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

although graw was postponed and not realeased at launch to make a better less problematic game (unlike cod2 who released a peice of ****). graw was released in spring. it has taken them about the same time in respect to realease dates. sometimes they dont know what problems will arive till there are tens of thousands of people loging millions of hours on a game online. cod2s update was just getting it par with graw and then it still has a suck --- interface online. then say thankyou by charging for there map packs. except one. and yes graw charged for theres too. i am eager to see the update but atleast i know when its out that the fixes will be good.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
then say thankyou by charging for there map packs. except one. and yes graw charged for theres too.
There's a big difference though...The COD2 map packs are truly optional. You don't have to buy them - you can still play the old maps with anybody regardless of whether they bought the new ones..and they didn't include the game feature updates in the content packs (i.e. blind siege) - all non-map content was released in the free auto-update.

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

i might have missed something being that i havent played cod2 but a couple of times since graw came out. what were the other game types that are new. i know about all the lobby fixes and making it manigable but i didnt realize there was a new game type?

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
i know about all the lobby fixes and making it manigable but i didnt realize there was a new game type?
The closest thing to a new game type would be private games.. Before the update everything was and you couldn't choose who hosted..After the update you had the option to host private games and reserve slots for people on your friends list. Everybody got this ability - not just people who bought the map packs.

[Fr3aKx23ubisux]

wow when is the update going to come out?? Ubisoft you have really good games but ur customer service sux. maybe u want ppl to still play this game so it seems like ur holdin out. im really disapointed with how slow yall are to fix stuff. and it ironicly happens when other games are coming soon. wait 6 moths after the game drops to adress very noticable issues. whats wrong? it seems like ur doin tons to fix stuff now but where were you when people actually played this game??? i hope you guys read this knowing ur losin ALOT of fans and gamers who play online. i didnt play this game trying to test myself on this leaderboard to have people boosting for months so i dont even have a chance. i hope the next graw is better and u elimate these issues and also i would like for yall to actually adress our major issues sometime before the game gets old and boring cuz nobody plays it. or maybe before new games come out so u could keep people on the hook, just to let them down. put as much effort into customer service as u did this game and ppl would love you but for now read the last half of my name

[OrganicJamMan]

When i was talking about COD 2 i was refering to the multiplayer update which improved the lag, ability to find servers etc and not the map packs (anyway in COD 2 you got two free maps). Skycowboy your view that COD 2 is a load of **** is your opinion and loads of people could argue the other way, for instance heres some evidence that COD 2 is alot more played than GRAW.

Xbox Live Activity for week of 9/18

All lists are based on World Wide Unique Users on Xbox Live. These lists are based on title usage (while connected to Xbox Live.)

Xbox 360 Top Games
1 Saints Row
2 Call of Duty 2
3 Madden NFL 07
4 Test Drive Unlimited
5 Ghost Recon 3
6 DEAD RISING
7 Oblivion
8 BFMC
9 Texas Hold 'em
10 Final Fantasy XI

That was taken from MajorNelson.com, a community representative for Microsoft. COD 2 is a good game, but personally i also agree that GRAW is much better. It just depends on what type of game you like. The problem with the GRAW pack was that alot of it should have been free, or was just a waste. The new game types should have been free for everyone to download in the auto update and so should the weapons. This way the community would not have been split and the DLC pack would have been cheaper.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by methz68:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by REV1Z:
comming from someone who lacks the intellectual prowess of a jackrabbit, ill take that as a compliment

Coming (correct spelling) from someone with limited Literacy skills, I'll take that as a compliment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually it shows more about typing skills than anything else shows how much you know about (Literacy) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
is that all you can say? at least my response was funny. "Dang that's funny!!! I don't care who you are, that's funny!"

When you come back to me at least make it half decent.

[SAKY_is_upset]

Reasons Why COD 2 almost ALWAYS outranks GRAW.

1)Lag issues have been fixed since January. It took them 3 months to fix the only major problem.

3)Anyone can play, the game includes southpaw, legacy, SP Legacy and right handed schemes out of the box.

4)Expansion maps cost much less than the Chapter 2 content.

5)COD 2 is simple yet addictive...easy to learn tough to master. More advanced players can shoot from the hip.

6)There is no ranking that is visable to the public so people don't cheat or boost.

7)It's a very immersive game. The sound really brings you into the game, you can hear weapons fire in the distant battlefileds and the foot steps of approaching players. More often listening for an opponent is better than picking out your target visually because you can discern from which direction an enemy is approaching if you have surround sound speakers.

8)From the release of the 360 until the end of the 2005 4th quarter nearly 75% of all 360s sold had a copy of Call of Duty 2 sold with them. That's the sales figure of a great game.


To close, the only time that GRAW knocked off COD 2 for the top spot in 360 online games was the 3 weeks following it's initial release and the one week following the Chapter 2 release.

Also, here's the most recent stats from Major Nelson's blog.

Xbox Live Activity for week of 10/2

All lists are based on World Wide Unique Users on Xbox Live. These lists are based on title usage (while connected to Xbox Live.)


Xbox 360 Top Games
1 Call of Duty 2
2 Saints Row
3 Madden NFL 07
4 Ghost Recon 3
5 Test Drive Unlimited
6 DOOM
7 DEAD RISING
8 Oblivion
9 BFMC
10 SONIC THE HEDGEHOG DEMO

Top Arcade Titles (Full Versions)*
1 DOOM
2 Texas Hold 'em
3 UNO
4 Hexic HD
5 TotemBall
6 Geometry Wars Evolved
7 Street Fighter II' Hyper Fighting
8 PAC-MAN
9 Marble Blast Ultra
10 Bankshot Billiards 2

*This only counts games that are purchased, not demos

Original Xbox Top Games
1 Halo 2
2 Battlefield 2: MC
3 Madden NFL 07
4 Counter-Strike
5 Pro Evolution Soccer 5
6 Splinter Cell Chaos
7 Rainbow Six 3 BA
8 Star Wars: Battlfrnt 2
9 Forza Motorsport
10 Rainbow Six 3

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

yea, how much a game is played by kids has nothing to do with quality of the game.
so cod2 just had an update with 2 free maps that just fixed the online play marginally and just brought the online controll up to par with other games. they gave a needed fix with 2 free maps. graw did not charge for the first update just the extras. it sucks but thats buisness. just dont think that cod2 is better. they did knowingly put out a game with a multiplayer that sucked and they knew it and played like they didnt. atleast ubi didnt sell us ****. all we got was normal problems associated with an online game with these map sizes and game play detail (and im not talking about grafix.)

[SAKY_is_upset]

enjoy your spawn killing bro. *ahem* crappy map designs. Enjoy your your overpriced expasions, paying for a level identical to a previously released level *ahem* now it's dark. Enjoy your cheaters *ahem* ranking ruins online experience for the non-cheater. Enjoy your piss poor customer service *ahem* 6 month wait for a patch that probably won't fix everything.

COD 2 map list has doubled since it's release, all new maps. Do some reading, we got more than 2 maps...we got 2 maps for free and then some more maps for a cheaper price than Chapter 2 content.

[OrganicJamMan]

Whoa whoa whoa guys, easy, easy, calm it. Good. Now anyway. TBH COD2 on the 360 had a far worse multiplayer than the PC version of the same game. This was simply because on the PC there could be far more players playing at once. COD2 and GRAW have both won friggen loads of awards and are both good games, its just personal opinion. In truth COD2 and GRAW both have the same type of players, stop being so stereotypical it depends what gametypes you play. But the evidence shows that COD2 has done a better job with customer support than Ubi has with GRAW.

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

cod had single player and graw has multi. cod has tiny maps that suck. the only posotive is going into buildings. i played the game till graw. for 6 months. issues were not fixed in 3 months. the only posotive thing was the glitch that was found in late febuary whitch alowed for picking the host of a room but you could not always get the game type you wanted. most serious seige players like the relit maps which is different. the different lighting has different base points. the sound is equal on graw when the music is off. the maps are bigger. tiny maps suck. and im a proud rank 1 because i never play ranked rooms and they mean nothing so anything associated with ranked rooms or sharpshooter mean nothing. cod2 has an atleast equal amount of glitches. cod2 apeals to the halo type player. its ww2 halo so you who like that type of play. stay there. if there was a halo 3 out now cod2 would not have those #s on but graw would stay the same. (not that that has anything to do with it being a good game). the only reason cod2 had a good atatchment rate was that it was on alot of packages and there were only so many games to buy and the reason i bought it was it was the only fps. alot of recon players would never have owned cod2 if graw was out on launch. and cod2 would not have those #s. but they only cared about getting that launch money and not the fact that they sold you an unfinished product.

[OrganicJamMan]

COD and GRAW are completerly and utterly different games, CODs maps arn't tiny. Some are small but it suits the run and gun type gameplay and numbers of people in the game (8 players on a massive map would suck, same with the bigger maps on GRAW). What you said doesn't explain why so many people are playing it still, people brought it because it was the best of the launch games (actually i think Condemed was better but it was too short). In COD there is a matchmaking system but also a system where you can invite all your friends or other people you have just played to the game. I didn't wnat to start comparison between GRAW and COD in the first place, i was just saying that COD did a far better job with the update (which actually came out 4 months after launch and included two free maps) compared to what Ubi are doing with there update.

[kc9400]

well hopefully it wont be much longer till this update gets here and we can see if it has improved or not. i dont think you can really compare cod2 and graw as they are 2 quite different games in the own aspect. i think there is a lot to be said about there customer service but then thats a whole new topicmaybe someone will open a forum something like <span class="ev_code_GREEN">ubisoft, whats customer service?</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

its funny because while i was playing cod2 till graw came out (more than 4 months) with no update or maps. i read the cod2 forums and it was all the same comments about customer service. exect they never posted anything about and update or what issues they were addressing. just that they were working on it. there is not difference in the amount of time and how much they are saying.

[OrganicJamMan]

And what about Condemned and Perfect Dark Zero, they were both FPS out at launch.

[OrganicJamMan]

Yes kc9400, thats the idea. Oh and skycowboy check gamewebsites, the COD multiplayer update came out march the 21st, which WAS four months after release. Here is what Infinity Ward did to improve multiplayer (taken from IGN (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/697/697459p1.html) )

The Title Update allegedly improves multiplayer performance, which means minimizing the terrible lag issues surrounding COD2's multiplayer games. IGN jumped online to play several games, most of which were noticeably improved. Our first two games were smooth and lag-free, while the third unplayable. We'll have to spend more time to get a better overall perspective on the improvements over the next few weeks.

Other worthy updates include the ability to reserve friend slots in private lobbies and post-game lobbies, and to configure additional host options.

I would say there some major improvements, would'nt you?

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

first i never played condemned and i loved pd on the 64 but pdz sucked.imo

thats nice 2 out of 3 was playable. better than 1 in 10 like we delt with for months. the things you talk about should be in a game before it is released. they sold an unfinished game because they new millions would have it before the multi was even played. i know for months you felt ripped off and pissed and cursed actavision. like everyone else. all they did was make it playable after months. that is not caring about customers. who ho they gave us 2 free maps. yea that shows they realy care.

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

i will say that cod2 had and amazing single player. that made this single look dumb. they just put no time in on multi. but with cod3 comming out and it being a true first person shooter (this game not being one anymore) after a couple of months and people saying it is good on multi player and clan friendly i will buy it because the maps are going to be bigger and there will be vehicles and there will be 24 players.
there will be no stupid glow vision, class modifiers and best of all no over the sholder.this isnt ghost recon advanced warfighter its ghost recon use third person then jump out and shoot. this may be the game that sucks away the heart and sole of ghost recon franchize the competative online clan play. only down side being its not modern.

[OrganicJamMan]

I know everything that COD fixed in the update should have been there in the first place but the exact same thing applies to GRAW and its update, the stuff in the update should have been there in the beggining, oh and Ubi ar'nt giving us any free maps are they? Rather free maps than nothing.

[OrganicJamMan]

But im not trying to compare GRAW and COD anyway, im trying to compare the two games customer services, and COD's is better. Personally i prefer GRAW to COD anyway, i prefer that type of game and COD 2 was utter ****tarters compared to the first one and expansion on PC anyway. I don't even play COD anymore on 360, nore will i play GRAW until the update comes out. But thats just just because GRAW has bad online problems. At the moment the best game on live is easily Chromehounds, but soon as the update comes out for GRAW those two games will be all i play (that is until R6V, SC: DA and Gears of War come out).

[alex8372]

its been a month since they told us that the new update was coming up. its already october and there no update. do you think they will postpone? I've played ghost recon lately but not that much because im waiting 4 the update. so ive been playing madden more. will it coming out soon or is this a conspiracy to keep me playing madden all month?

[REDSOX2758]

i dont no but i wish it would come out soon!

[RtekBillabong]

Has GRAW 2 been announced yet? I wonder if they're just going to release a patch for this and no more content, that's if they are working on another title. I personally say leave the game the way it is, and release alot of content till next year, then start working on a new title.

[RtekBillabong]

release the update of course, but the gameplay is great, no need for a new title.

[REDSOX2758]

ya, the game is a great game as it is, they just need to fix a few minor issues and it will keep people satisfied for a lot longer

[REDSOX2758]

still no update. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Southpaw1964]

Did the alleged update fail the microsoft tests then coz they never usually take this long hmmmm....

[OrganicJamMan]

possibly, that could explain why Ubi has givin no new information on the update.

[pmw1718]

info please ubi, its ok to tell us it is microsofts fault

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Southpaw1964:
Did the alleged update fail the microsoft tests then coz they never usually take this long hmmmm....

actually they can take this long and longer so its nothing new http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[alex8372]

i guess that answers my question. off to madden i go.record (25-13) winning streak of 10!

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Southpaw1964:
Did the alleged update fail the microsoft tests then coz they never usually take this long hmmmm....

actually they can take this long and longer so its nothing new http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yea and if the game ends up with more bugs after the patch than b4 that would also be nothing new

[stonhans]

..but Serellan said early october. So maybe.. in the next 5 days we will see a update.
If not.. Well. Than microsoft is still holding the update thight to their chest. If that is the case...then we will probably not see a GRAW update until november...early november.

[bow657]

UPGRADE ISSUES

As you have probably realised by now some of the update is already with you, it will only be the larger issues which have been tested and then tested again, The download is not going to be a massive expansion. just a few tweeks.

[ubermoob]

I haven't played COD or COD 2 , But I have had a copy of Battlefield 2 MC (360 version) that I bought the day I bought my box. I didn't much care for the single player especially since they decided the sniper rifle didn't need a target reticle unless you use the scope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
I got a little bored with GRAW last week so I tried B2 MC's multiplayer. DUDE !! It is certainly more arcadish then GRAW but the maps are friggin HUUUUUUUUGE ! I love it ! I honestly hate the maps in GRAW . They suck ! What happened to the large outdoor maps of the past ?
the Cove,Desert Gulch,the Jungle Mines,the Boneyard...bloody h3ll all the maps feel like an arcade game except the Treasury and Old Town. Those 2 maps alone feel fitting to the urban combat theme . The non-urban maps are all arcade style maps designed to force confrontation . Since the game has no dedicated servers and is limited to 16 ppl per game it's obvious they felt this a necessary step to provide exciting games rather than a GRAW campout. Who could argue that the maps are not arcade style ? There's not a single good sniper spot in the whole bloody game FFS ! OH look a water tower ! NO, YOU CAN'T CLIMB THE EFFIN THING ! OH look a nice big barn with an open hayloft ! NO, YOU CAN'T OPEN DOORS ! UBI sais " NO SNIPER SPOTS FOR JOOOO !!!1111!!11!!11!!!" Oh ok well there's this second floor balcony in the treasury here and there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif PFFFFFFT ! The ONLY and I do mean ONLY thing approaching sniper spots can be found in Nowhere and the Shipping port. The cove has a few but the rest of the map has such a disgusting "scripted" feel with its carved out passageways that it's totaly ruined. Desert Gulch is a sadistically fun map but it feels even more scripted than all the other maps in the game combined. The point of this rant is simple : If GRAW had maps as big as the maps in battlefield 2 , GRAW would pwn ! Oh yeah, the effin ghosts need to learn to JUMP, CLIMB and OPEN DOORS too.
Who has played a Delta Force game ? I have played most of them. They don't baby you with invisible walls ,the delta squad can climb ladders, open doors and they can jump . Is it just me or is anyone else wondering how the ghosts made it through basic training when they can't climb,jump,open doors or traverse obstacles that are potentially deadly ? For that matter how did they grow to adulthood without these skills ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifpssst! They're clones ! We only taught them how to do a few things cuz we were overbudget and we ran out of time . Just be glad we taught them how to hold a gun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
::shakes ubisoft:: HEY UBI ! DID YALL FORGET SOME STUFF OR WHAT ?!

[Devius666]

Originally posted by ubermoob:
I didn't much care for the single player especially since they decided the sniper rifle didn't need a target reticle unless you use the scope!

lol. god forbid someone tried to actually balance the overpowered, instagib, railguns. the sniper in graw is such a joke, they could learn a lot from other studios and how they went about balancing the sniper rifle.

ya running around for half an hour trying to find someone in a bf map would be super fun. not really though.

yay bunny hopping ghosts.

im glad you had zero input in this game because it would suck worse than it already does.

giant maps with no cover so you can own with your easy mode sniper rifle. bunny hopping and ladders so you can turn it into a halo z-fighter. no thanks.

[Real_Xebec]

Originally posted by stonhans:
..but Serellan said early october. So maybe.. in the next 5 days we will see a update.
If not.. Well. Than microsoft is still holding the update thight to their chest. If that is the case...then we will probably not see a GRAW update until november...early november. Don't expect it anytime soon. Originally we were told it would be available in September, then October:

"The content of the Title Update is currently complete, and is in final testing at Red Storm. We will then go through a submission and testing phase with Microsoft. We expect it to be available in September"

If it is in fact "complete", it does not take that long for "final testing". There is something seriously wrong with the patch and is probably being re-worked.

[Real_Xebec]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
then say thankyou by charging for there map packs. except one. and yes graw charged for theres too.
There's a big difference though...The COD2 map packs are truly optional. You don't have to buy them - you can still play the old maps with anybody regardless of whether they bought the new ones..and they didn't include the game feature updates in the content packs (i.e. blind siege) - all non-map content was released in the free auto-update. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>EXACTLY. That $60 game turns into a $75 game if you want to play online.

[ZPaul2Fresh8]

It would be better to just NOT tell everyone that a patch is coming out. Because this is what happens everytime. Everyone *****es and complains because we all want it and want it now! Since everything HAS to go through MS before reaching us, they cannot simply patch the game everytime something needs fixed so with a patch with SO MANY fixes I can see why it would get delayed.

I did my ranting so I have only one thing left to say; HURRY THE HELL UP! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PiNkEyE69]

A case of "Stay out of the kitchen, it'll be ready when it's done" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Real_Xebec]

Originally posted by ZPaul2Fresh8:
It would be better to just NOT tell everyone that a patch is coming out. Because this is what happens everytime. Everyone *****es and complains because we all want it and want it now! Since everything HAS to go through MS before reaching us, they cannot simply patch the game everytime something needs fixed so with a patch with SO MANY fixes I can see why it would get delayed.

I did my ranting so I have only one thing left to say; HURRY THE HELL UP! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Well the problem is that the game was originally supposed to be a "launch" game then they held it back so could fix some problems. $75 and seven months later, the game still has major network issues. It is quite understandable why a lot of us are upset.

[pmw1718]

The problem is that the update works right. It's perfect. In fact it is so good that is surpasses every one of MS quality controls. Thus the problem. It wouldn't be MS if it worked right. Let MS mess it up some then it will be released! HAHA

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Real_Xebec:
If it is in fact "complete", it does not take that long for "final testing". There is something seriously wrong with the patch and is probably being re-worked.

Your jumping to conclusions with no facts of any sort to back it up, as you said yourself serellan said September he then changed it to October unless i missed something it was still October when i last looked.

And for the record it can and often does take MS this long to prep content for the marketplace and download

[Devius666]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
And for the record it can and often does take MS this long to prep content for the marketplace and download

ya, ive been very overwhelmed with all the quality content on the marketplace lately. they must be busy bees. *sarcasm off*

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by Devius666:
ya, ive been very overwhelmed with all the quality content on the marketplace lately. they must be busy bees. *sarcasm off*
Well in the last seven days they've added:
Tiger Woods demo
FIFA demo
Need For Speed demo
Free Prey content including new maps
Fun well-priced Saint's Row clothing update
Crappy overpriced Madden content
Totemball

And that's not a complete list...So I'm not sure exactly what you want from them, but I think that's a pretty decent list for one week. There's a lot of new stuff coming out in October and November - GRAW has to get in line for testing just like the rest of them.

[Cons72]

Originally posted by ZPaul2Fresh8:
It would be better to just NOT tell everyone that a patch is coming out. Because this is what happens everytime. Everyone *****es and complains because we all want it and want it now! Since everything HAS to go through MS before reaching us, they cannot simply patch the game everytime something needs fixed so with a patch with SO MANY fixes I can see why it would get delayed.

I did my ranting so I have only one thing left to say; HURRY THE HELL UP! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually, I think what would be better is more regular communication, even if it is to say that the product is still in testing or is taking longer than anticipated, etc... People would still be frustrated that it is not out, but at least they would know what is going on and feel Ubi is taking the time to have a regular dialogue with the community.

Coming in and posting, say, every Monday on what is happening would actually go a long way for them. Even if for 6 weeks all they say is "sorry, can't give you more details, but we are still working on fixes."

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
Well in the last seven days they've added:

And now Dig Dug will be up in a few hours!

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Cons72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZPaul2Fresh8:
It would be better to just NOT tell everyone that a patch is coming out. Because this is what happens everytime. Everyone *****es and complains because we all want it and want it now! Since everything HAS to go through MS before reaching us, they cannot simply patch the game everytime something needs fixed so with a patch with SO MANY fixes I can see why it would get delayed.

I did my ranting so I have only one thing left to say; HURRY THE HELL UP! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually, I think what would be better is more regular communication, even if it is to say that the product is still in testing or is taking longer than anticipated, etc... People would still be frustrated that it is not out, but at least they would know what is going on and feel Ubi is taking the time to have a regular dialogue with the community.

Coming in and posting, say, every Monday on what is happening would actually go a long way for them. Even if for 6 weeks all they say is "sorry, can't give you more details, but we are still working on fixes." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish you were right cons but sadly i dont think it would make an ounce of difference. Now dont misundertand me i think in any other walk of life you would have the nail on the head but with the constant trolling in these forums lately from people who in many cases claim to either not even play the game or not like it i honestly dont think decent communication would ever keep them happy......its a shame because ive no doubt there are many who would be happy with that

[Tru7hSeeker]

Actually, I think what would be better is more regular communication, even if it is to say that the product is still in testing or is taking longer than anticipated, etc... People would still be frustrated that it is not out, but at least they would know what is going on and feel Ubi is taking the time to have a regular dialogue with the community.

Coming in and posting, say, every Monday on what is happening would actually go a long way for them. Even if for 6 weeks all they say is "sorry, can't give you more details, but we are still working on fixes."

That would be too much like Bungie's Weekly What's Update. Obviously, if it works for them Ubi can't do it. I mean GRAW is a better game, but Halo has a great matchmaking system.

All of Ubi's games have strong online playability, but most of that is inspite of their clunky menu's, bugs, and flawed stacking for rank.

[wolf632]

my two cents

hello people, is anyone else bored <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> with this game, the only thing keeping me playing is gamebattles siege, sharpshooter is soooo cack, spawnkillings a pain in the <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> , and the glitches drive me inseane, nothing worse than chasin sum <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> and he runs through a rock and shoots you from above (WHARF), as soon as RB6, GEARS OF WAR and SPLINTER CELL are out, GRAW disc is gonna be used a teacoaster and me other disc as a frikkin frisbee, just hope the poor <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> it hits has got a 360 (have two discs as <span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT*</span> box scratched one so couldnt play fishing village, im sure loads have had this problem with one map or another and had to fork out another 40 quid).

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[Safrole]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
...with the constant trolling in these forums lately from people who in many cases claim to either not even play the game or not like it i honestly dont think decent communication would ever keep them happy...

If the clouds parted and Jesus spoke these words I wouldn't believe them any more true. Like anyone, I tend to project myself onto other people. I think they are basically like me. I think they'll take the news of an update as a positive event, and the delay of a couple weeks with a shrug.

Wrong.

You never know WHO'S typing at the other end of some computer. Spoiled kids, malcontents, all types of losers for whom the anonymity of the forum really unleashes their fury.

So I'm sorry I said I thought the patch probably had a minor error which delayed the certification. If I had to bet, I would still put the odds for 75% true. But I forgot that an intuitive GUESS is excellent fuel for these aforementioned malcontents.

And the certification process is more than just checking to make sure it runs on the 360. They're gonna have people with really huge brains looking all over for weaknesses in the code. Remember the MechAssault raincoat? I think there's one for Chaos Theory too. You can load a special hacker game save and it will take control of your xbox. How nasty is THAT for Microsoft? Well, you can bet your sweet bippy that they go over the code these days with a fine-toothed comb. So I can believe the certification takes some time. And I can believe that a very minor error could cause a rejection from the code Nazis. But most of all I believe we'll never know and I'm okay with that.

[REV1Z]

im ok with it to i guess as long as new games continue to be released.
it really doesnt matter now that i think of it.

[Devius666]

i can wait as long as it takes to get this patch live but keeping the changelist secret is unacceptable.

changelist now. no more excuses.

infact we should have seen one while the patch was still in development. not after the patch goes live. how do you expect to get any feedback from the players til its too late?

im sorry to all the happy, easily impressed people out there. but ive never ever seen a company go about patches this way. it just blows me away.

[XxMistaMADDxX]

Originally posted by Safrole:
malcontents.



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[MeanMF]

Originally posted by Devius666:
i can wait as long as it takes to get this patch live but keeping the changelist secret is unacceptable. changelist now. no more excuses.

If something is removed from the change list between now and the release in order to meet certification requirements, you'd just whine about that. So exercise a little patience and you'll get the information when it's ready.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[REV1Z]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Devius666:
i can wait as long as it takes to get this patch live but keeping the changelist secret is unacceptable. changelist now. no more excuses.

If something is removed from the change list between now and the release in order to meet certification requirements, you'd just whine about that. So exercise a little patience and you'll get the information when it's ready. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


does ubi pay you to be a troll? because you complain more about the complainers complaining about the patch not coming out.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by REV1Z:
does ubi pay you to be a troll?
I wish! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[pmw1718]

Xbox live will be going down on OCT 17 for maintenence and to "add cool things" . MS expcets this to last for 24 hours. Maybe the update will be posted along with this update!!!

[OrganicJamMan]

Yes that would be quite a nice time to bring the update out, ah well i can wait until then. I wonder if thats when they will release the fall update?

[r2pacmac]

its now the 13th of october when oh when are you going to reset the stats and bring in the new acheivments? we have all been waiting since you announced it in early september. GET A GRIP UBI SOFT

[pmw1718]

Originally posted by OrganicJamMan:
I wonder if thats when they will release the fall update?

No the fall update for the dashboard will be in November. Heres the link to the story.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1012-downtime.htm

[Safrole]

Originally posted by pmw1718:
...Maybe the update will be posted along with this update!!!

Maybe the Oct/Nov Live update will install a porn sensor for picture messaging. The release of the "web cam" accessory has lead to a rash of moonings and middle fingers in my inbox, mostly from people I've just shot in games. Maybe I would actually be able to open messages from people while my children are in the room. (or maybe I just need classier friends)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Negative, Ghostrider; the pattern is full."

[REDSOX2758]

Originally posted by pmw1718:
Xbox live will be going down on OCT 17 for maintenence and to "add cool things" . MS expcets this to last for 24 hours. Maybe the update will be posted along with this update!!! Does anyone know what this update will have?

[stonhans]

Originally posted by REDSOX2758:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pmw1718:
Xbox live will be going down on OCT 17 for maintenence and to "add cool things" . MS expcets this to last for 24 hours. Maybe the update will be posted along with this update!!! Does anyone know what this update will have? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that?

[ubermoob]

Originally posted by Devius666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ubermoob:
I didn't much care for the single player especially since they decided the sniper rifle didn't need a target reticle unless you use the scope!

lol. god forbid someone tried to actually balance the overpowered, instagib, railguns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A railgun is a weapon that fires a round accelerated with magnets they use them on battleships. The M107 everyone favors is a .50 caliber powered by gun powder like any normal rifle. If you get shot in the finger it will take the hand with it due to the force of impact and you will bleed to death period.Nothing overpowered about it. How many times have you seen someone good enough to hit you consistently at close range with 1 ? Don't lie plz cuz I've played with plenty of ppl that were really good and they could'nt hit jack with it at close range either. It has significant enough recoil if you miss the first shot the rifleman/gunner you just attacked shoots you dead.


the sniper in graw is such a joke, they could learn a lot from other studios and how they went about balancing the sniper rifle.

ya running around for half an hour trying to find someone in a bf map would be super fun. not really though.


I seriously doubt you would spend so much time searching if they had proper dedicated servers allowing for more than 16 ppl but even with 16 ppl I doubt it would be boring.


yay bunny hopping ghosts.



Did I say 30 ft. unreal tournament zero/low gravity super jumps ? LMFAO ! I would like to be able to jump on top of objects for better field of vision etc not bounce around like a jackrabbit trying to avoid bullets. A reasonable and realistic jump is 3 ft. vertical. As a note they jump fairly high in BF2(maybe 6 ft. or more) but you know what ? I can still shoot them out of the air as can everyone else that plays that game.




im glad you had zero input in this game because it would suck worse than it already does.

giant maps with no cover so you can own with your easy mode sniper rifle. bunny hopping and ladders so you can turn it into a halo z-fighter. no thanks.

Did I say anything about not providing cover ? I would simply appreciate a good high vantage to snipe from . Every FPS I have ever played except GRAW had good sniper spots . Ladders allow for greater amounts of freedom in level design as well as potential access to a sniper spot. The Wharf has ramps so what about a map that uses ladders to access different areas ? Honestly I would not want to see Tom Clancy's Unreal Halo Ghost Recon Aiight. I just want some more stuff added into the game that I feel should be there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[REV1Z]

Originally posted by Safrole:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pmw1718:
...Maybe the update will be posted along with this update!!!

Maybe the Oct/Nov Live update will install a porn sensor for picture messaging. The release of the "web cam" accessory has lead to a rash of moonings and middle fingers in my inbox, mostly from people I've just shot in games. Maybe I would actually be able to open messages from people while my children are in the room. (or maybe I just need classier friends) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'd take door #2 if i was you

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking about the GRAW update (you know, the one that this 10 page thread is about) or the stupid MS update?

If it's the Microshaft update then I don't really care what "secret cool stuff" they add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[pmw1718]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking about the GRAW update (you know, the one that this 10 page thread is about) or the stupid MS update?

If it's the Microshaft update then I don't really care what "secret cool stuff" they add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, ubi said that Ms has the GRAW update now and was waiting on certification for it. Then MS would put the update out. MS is going to do some maintenence on Xbox live and is releasing some goodies. One could infer that one of the goodies would be the GRAW update, thus the reason I posted the news about the live update. Im sure there's more stuff that is going to be added.

[stonhans]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Microsoft, Xbox. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1012-downtime.htm

Q: What kind of cool stuff?
A: Secret cool stuff that we'll tell you about when we're back online October 18. Other stuff we'll be talking about later in the fall.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[xSKYCOWBOYx]

Originally posted by pmw1718:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking about the GRAW update (you know, the one that this 10 page thread is about) or the stupid MS update?

If it's the Microshaft update then I don't really care what "secret cool stuff" they add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, ubi said that Ms has the GRAW update now and was waiting on certification for it. Then MS would put the update out. MS is going to do some maintenence on Xbox live and is releasing some goodies. One could infer that one of the goodies would be the GRAW update, thus the reason I posted the news about the live update. Im sure there's more stuff that is going to be added. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i love these multiple quotes

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pmw1718:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking about the GRAW update (you know, the one that this 10 page thread is about) or the stupid MS update?

If it's the Microshaft update then I don't really care what "secret cool stuff" they add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, ubi said that Ms has the GRAW update now and was waiting on certification for it. Then MS would put the update out. MS is going to do some maintenence on Xbox live and is releasing some goodies. One could infer that one of the goodies would be the GRAW update, thus the reason I posted the news about the live update. Im sure there's more stuff that is going to be added. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i love these multiple quotes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
just couldnt help myself

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xSKYCOWBOYx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pmw1718:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stonhans:

A list of what the update will contain..will be published 18 oct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Who said that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Click the link and READ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking about the GRAW update (you know, the one that this 10 page thread is about) or the stupid MS update?

If it's the Microshaft update then I don't really care what "secret cool stuff" they add. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, ubi said that Ms has the GRAW update now and was waiting on certification for it. Then MS would put the update out. MS is going to do some maintenence on Xbox live and is releasing some goodies. One could infer that one of the goodies would be the GRAW update, thus the reason I posted the news about the live update. Im sure there's more stuff that is going to be added. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i love these multiple quotes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
just couldnt help myself </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[Percise82]

A map like Old town but with a few buildings you can go up in and how about some doors to open. Whatelse to consider adding the ablilty to sprint for alittle about 4 secs then you need to wait about 20 secs to get it back to full when you keep moving it takes longer to get back to full..Its something to think about..I know it wont be added but for the future .

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by Percise82:
A map like Old town but with a few buildings you can go up in and how about some doors to open. Whatelse to consider adding the ablilty to sprint for alittle about 4 secs then you need to wait about 20 secs to get it back to full when you keep moving it takes longer to get back to full..Its something to think about..I know it wont be added but for the future .

That's called Battlefield.

[Percise82]

No its not battlefield is a good game for the xbox never played it for the 360..In BF you feel like your floating when ur running or driving..GRAW is totally different, By adding the ability to run or go into buildings and open doors does not make this game BF so OUTFOXEM dont quote me and then say something as lame as "That's called Battlefield" cause you just making ur self look dumb.

[SlickBlack4]

Can anybody tell me if there a has been a patch or update that includes the southpaw (swap sticks) feature?

[Metalg_56]

Anyone get the feeling that the patch is being delayed closer to november so that G.R.A.W doesn't vanish completely off the radar when Gears of War and the new Rainbow comes out. not to mention CoD3. Either that or its failed the certification process misserably hihi http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[TH3Hammer]

Nah... a patch isn't even close to enough to keep this one from getting a little dusty. I'm guessing that the patch just failed certification. They will probably bring out Chapter 3 content a month or so after Gears of War and Rainbow Six: Vegas come out to bring people back after they have had some time with those.

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

i agree with hammer, that would be the best plan of action to try to keep this game alive with all those others. none being the exact same type of game but they will draw alot away.

[Metalg_56]

I agree with you both but I think there going to have evaluate the way there laying out the maps for chapter 3. I feel at the minute there putting too many bottle necks in the maps which gives very little attacking options. In the old recon games you could go straight for the base or work your way around and attack from the sides or behind. In GRAW its impossible to get behind siege points. The siege points on blind siege are a bit better. Some old recon maps might be an option they could use as some of them were classic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by Percise82:
No its not battlefield is a good game for the xbox never played it for the 360..In BF you feel like your floating when ur running or driving..GRAW is totally different, By adding the ability to run or go into buildings and open doors does not make this game BF so OUTFOXEM dont quote me and then say something as lame as "That's called Battlefield" cause you just making ur self look dumb.

First, if you want to call someone dumb, you may want to spell your own login correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It's "precise." Then once you have the spelling down you can move on to punctuation. Once there you can work on sentence structure and properly completing your thought.

Then you might (probably not, but might) be able to make a case about someone being dumb.

With that said, the game that YOU described is a PERFECT description of Battlefield. I never said GRAW was like Battlefield. I was quoting YOUR post and responding to YOUR post.

I should have known the concept would be out of reach for you.

[ubermoob]

I dunno bout anyone else but I think RB6 Vegas and Gears of War are gonna get a lot of online attention from the comunity when they come out. I doubt that GRAW will just die off though. Not everyone will spend the cash for the new games right away and even if they do there's a big difference between them and GRAW. Now as I have stated before I have never played a Rainbow 6 game but Vegas LOOKS pretty tight. Gears of War that so many ppl on this forum are refering to as a run and gun Quake style shoot em up that will attract the kiddies, is in fact going to be very tactical. The lead producer Cliff Bleszinski, has ensured the game will not deteriorate into an all out deathmatch by limiting the maximum amount of players to 8 (4 per team) . The game engine relies a great deal on COVER similar to the GRAW campaign mode. If you try to go running through the game without making wise use of the cover provided you will be dead before you know it.

But as I was saying , I think the GRAW online comunity will still be sizable enough to get a game going any time you want to.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[bstair]

Has anyone noticed how the new achievements that appeared on your live gamercard shortly after the patch was announced have since disappeared? I noticed it about 5 or 6 days ago. Is this a sign of a failed patch or rejected achievements by MS? Hmmm... I just hope the patch happens soon!

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by bstair:
Has anyone noticed how the new achievements that appeared on your live gamercard shortly after the patch was announced have since disappeared?
I still see them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[bstair]

Originally posted by MeanMF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bstair:
Has anyone noticed how the new achievements that appeared on your live gamercard shortly after the patch was announced have since disappeared?
I still see them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well... they're back. LOL. They were taken off last week sometime. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[kc9400]

hopefully we will have it soon please say its here tommorow just a waiting game now ahhhhhhhh

[Kristhebhoy]

I wonder if the new premiuim edition of GRAW will be patched up. That will most likely be out sooner. Yes that's right not only have the devs had enough time to create additional content for download they have also managed to release another version of the game. Yet the much needed fix for a broken multiplayer is still no where to be seen. It's disgusting.

*waits for ms-kleaneasy to spin some nonsense and act in a generally annoying manner*

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

usally a premeum or limited version of a game is the same its just in a flashyer package with maybe a bonus cd with the making of the game or something. it just something to try to trump up sales or something.

just like when you go to the video store and they have the unrated version of the movie. 99%of the time its the same movie with the same sceines. they just hope to get people to rent that have already seen it. those people thinking that there going to see some more gore or maybe some boobs or something.

[RtekBillabong]

They said it was supposed to release in September. The update is finished, they had to wait for Microsoft to do the final testing. I hope they're adding the update while xboxlive is down.

I only care about the update, so they can get to work on some new content. I doubt that will be anytime soon. I have a feeling we might notice a few things different with this update, but nothing to be all excited about. I just want them to release it and get it over with so they can work on the cool stuff, and if they work on new stuff, they better not give any damn turkey outfits. THAT WAS A MAJOR DISSAPOINTMENT.

[Southpaw1964]

Well live is up and running again after approx 29 hours of downtime and NO there is still no GRAW update available. Did we really think there would be?

[pmw1718]

well so far it doesn't appear that the GRAW update took place while xbox live was down. I think it is time for a news update ubi.

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by RtekBillabong:
They said it was supposed to release in September. The update is finished, they had to wait for Microsoft to do the final testing. I hope they're adding the update while xboxlive is down.

I only care about the update, so they can get to work on some new content. I doubt that will be anytime soon. I have a feeling we might notice a few things different with this update, but nothing to be all excited about. I just want them to release it and get it over with so they can work on the cool stuff, and if they work on new stuff, they better not give any damn turkey outfits. THAT WAS A MAJOR DISSAPOINTMENT.

Nothing to get excited about? Check out all the new amazing My Xbox® features!

a) Your Xbox now freezes while sending chat and game invites, as well as messages.
b) You have to send two or three invites before the other users actually see it.
c) Profiles (specifically gamerscore and avatar) of people on your friend's list don't load properly.
d) You can't join your friends in progress.
e) Xbox.com has ceased to exist (and they're happy to tell you that in 18 different languages).
f) Not all of your profiles are able to sign into Live (31 hours later I might add).

There's also no patches/updates for any games I've put in so far (including GRAW), and none even for the Xbox 360 itself.

Call me a pessimist but I expected it. Great job Microshaft. I can't wait for Vista! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

[pmw1718]

Originally posted by OUTFOXEM:


Nothing to get excited about? Check out all the new amazing My Xbox® features!

a) Your Xbox now freezes while sending chat and game invites, as well as messages.
b) You have to send two or three invites before the other users actually see it.
c) Profiles (specifically gamerscore and avatar) of people on your friend's list don't load properly.
d) You can't join your friends in progress.
e) Xbox.com has ceased to exist (and they're happy to tell you that in 18 different languages).
f) Not all of your profiles are able to sign into Live (31 hours later I might add).

There's also no patches/updates for any games I've put in so far, and none even for the Xbox 360 itself.

Call me a pessimist but I expected it. Great job Microshaft! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


Wow, I was wonderin if it was just me. I signed on when I got up to see what's "new" and it took like 10 minutes to sign on. When I did get signed on my dash froze. Twice. On the third attempt I noticed nothing new with GRAW, and Marketplace would not load anything.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Kristhebhoy:
I wonder if the new premiuim edition of GRAW will be patched up. That will most likely be out sooner. Yes that's right not only have the devs had enough time to create additional content for download they have also managed to release another version of the game. Yet the much needed fix for a broken multiplayer is still no where to be seen. It's disgusting.

*waits for ms-kleaneasy to spin some nonsense and act in a generally annoying manner*

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You might find posts of me voicing an opinion at others plain daft posts but not spinning that i can assure you.

Now back to the point as someone has already mentioned any premium edition will be the exact same game as we all have, with perhaps some different packaging and sometimes as we know special editions will contain extra 'bonus' content like behind the scenes etc but thats about it.

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[kc9400]

oh great now this is good when i sign in to xbox live it signs me out five mins later yippeeeee the xbox.com site is up but you cant access anything it just takes you to the home page and also some pages are missing any one else having similar probs?

[Southpaw1964]

Originally posted by kc9400:
oh great now this is good when i sign in to xbox live it signs me out five mins later yippeeeee the xbox.com site is up but you cant access anything it just takes you to the home page and also some pages are missing any one else having similar probs?

yeah its the same all over I think MS are joining forces with UBI to keep me <span class="ev_code_RED">*edit*</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[kc9400]

great hey talk about rubbing salt in the wound they make you wait and then its nothing new well actually it is something new "NEW PROBLEMS" well we can just hope things get better much better otherwise here comes the ps3

[XyZspineZyX]

Kc i dont know whats up with xbox.com & xbox live but i do know everyone is having similar problems me included

Im not 100% sure but am i right in thinking there were similar problems after the last 'down for maintenance' session? I vaguely recall it being down longer than expected and going through what could only be called a settling period afterwards but i dont think it was this bad or long<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[pmw1718]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Kc i dont know whats up with xbox.com & xbox live but i do know everyone is having similar problems me included

Im not 100% sure but am i right in thinking there were similar problems after the last 'down for maintenance' session? I vaguely recall it being down longer than expected and going through what could only be called a settling period afterwards but i dont think it was this bad or long

Accoring to xbox.com/support: "Users may experience intermittent issues connecting to Xbox Live. We apologize for any inconvience and thank you for your patience."

[Safrole]

Maybe it's similar to updating DNS pointers, where the info has to cascade through all the nodes before there's 100% network efficiency.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Negative, Ghostrider; the pattern is full."

[REDSOX2758]

does anybody notice anything about Xbox Live (other than it being all messed up)? o well, i just got Splinter Cell and im going to go play that.

[JoyousDemon23]

So is it true... ubi said Graw has the patch/update on xbox live market, it better be free or I will be pissed.

[jay00funk]

you know everyone working on this "update" are probably nothing but a bunch of seriously daft morons who are looking at porn all day, and while taking a break from masturbating laugh at all you wondering what's going on.

How else could you explain it? I don't want to hear "it?s all Microsoft?s fault!" Either. There is no excuse for not keeping the people that keep THEM in business up to date on a product they paid $60+ for.

Keep screwing around UBI and when you finally realize how pathetic your business practices really are... We'll all be too busy to care playing the other 'guys' games.

No wonder why Xbox 360 is now being shipped with Ghost Recon as a bundle...hah... two garbage products for the price of one! Niiiice! Thanks! *two thumbs up* Good luck with that.

[ADO66]

Are you refering to the "Chapter 2" download which contains their last update?
Because I don't think that they would place this newer update in the market place because that would mean that it's for sale and it's supposed to be free. I think you got the wrong info...

[JoyousDemon23]

Originally posted by ADO66:
Are you refering to the "Chapter 2" download which contains their last update?
Because I don't think that they would place this newer update in the market place because that would mean that it's for sale and it's supposed to be free. I think you got the wrong info...

I am just stating what I saw on their website. I will link it for you. I am not sure if the info is out of date, or if they stated it wrong. I am all confused. Rather angry. Wait I must be tripping balls... uhh nevermind I probably read it wrong. I swear it said on the market place. WTF? Sometimes I think I was dropped on my head as a child. However nothing seems to be working on xbox live anyways...

[ADO66]

Originally posted by JoyousDemon23:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ADO66:
Are you refering to the "Chapter 2" download which contains their last update?
Because I don't think that they would place this newer update in the market place because that would mean that it's for sale and it's supposed to be free. I think you got the wrong info...
LOL, not to worry. That kind of she@ happens to me all the time...

I am just stating what I saw on their website. I will link it for you. I am not sure if the info is out of date, or if they stated it wrong. I am all confused. Rather angry. Wait I must be tripping balls... uhh nevermind I probably read it wrong. I swear it said on the market place. WTF? Sometimes I think I was dropped on my head as a child. However nothing seems to be working on xbox live anyways... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by jay00funk:
you know everyone working on this "update" are probably nothing but a bunch of seriously daft morons who are looking at porn all day, and while taking a break from masturbating laugh at all you wondering what's going on.

How else could you explain it? I don't want to hear "it?s all Microsoft?s fault!" Either. There is no excuse for not keeping the people that keep THEM in business up to date on a product they paid $60+ for.

Keep screwing around UBI and when you finally realize how pathetic your business practices really are... We'll all be too busy to care playing the other 'guys' games.

No wonder why Xbox 360 is now being shipped with Ghost Recon as a bundle...hah... two garbage products for the price of one! Niiiice! Thanks! *two thumbs up* Good luck with that.

Jay im not aware of anyone blaming microsoft.......stating the update is with microsoft yes but not blaming them. Fact is even if microsoft take longer than is needed to get the update online it still took rse a long time to reach that stage, something i doubt anyone will argue with. However we are well past that point now it is with microsoft so theres little point going over old ground complaining about how long it took them, they are not playing with porn, their not masterbating or anything else non game development related (thats assuming their not creating a porn version of gr anyway) the update has been built and theres nothing else they can do other than sit back and wait for it to be online just like us lot.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[Cire_5th]

Well I don't know who drop the ball on this update. Serellen, if he was telling the truth, was trying to get the update to us early October. I really think he tried to do this so he can compete with the excellent games coming out late October (now) and early November. He knew this so as to extend the replay value of GRAW. But now where thes update? Microsoft didn't clear it or was Serellan and team really slacking? All I know is this is really going to hurt GRAW. By now people are playing Splinter Cell DA. Some are also going to be playing Gears of War. There are other many games out there as well that will draw gamers from GRAW to those games. No patch means they are going to ignore GRAW and go to the new games. If anything though if the patch was out, when they said it would be, gamers would have played the hell out of GRAW and try to get the achievements but no.

[XyZspineZyX]

out of curiosity why is it everyone only seems to have 2 options, either serellan lied or ms failed the update?

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[Metalg_56]

Because most people dont believe that MS are dragging there heels on it. Why should they drag the heels. I'd say most people believe that the update failed cert and ubi are now fixing the patch. Mainly because of their track record with updates making games more buggy than before the update. Also the lack of info coming from rsi also gives the impression that they messed up, as they are only too vocal when they get things right but when they mess up they go dumb. relaying info that its still with MS through you can be denied. There not posting that the update is still with MS your giving that info out which can be put down to old or misinterpreted info if they need an excuse.

[gtownmaniac1970]

I have put 2 and 2 together. The reason no update was because ms had to do this update just finished, but they screwed that up so when if ever they get it right then we might get graw update.

[AlienStorm.360]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
out of curiosity why is it everyone only seems to have 2 options, either serellan lied or ms failed the update?

wheres the option 'ms are just dragging their healls on this' ?

If its still not here come the end of the month i would fully understand people whining but this is plain daft

That's why, we are tired of waiting. No matter what the reason is. It is to late, way to late.

[Southpaw1964]

If its in the hands of MS then surely we at least deserve the list of fixes. It would at least give us something to read while we wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Percise82]

Stop with the whining already when it comes out it you will get it. Kids have no patients

[Metalg_56]

damnn right we have no patients http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
this is the digital generation, the generation of fiber optic, firewire, usb 2. this is the generation of fast my friend. we want it not tomorrow, not next week, not next month. we want it yesterday. we're in the fast lane now buddy so get in line.
but in all seriousness its not the lenght of time thats bugging most people i'd say, its the fact that they said late september, then it was early october and in all probiblility it will be early november when it arrives. if they said early november from the start ud no doubt get the obligitory moaners of why is it taking so long blah blah blah but i wouldn't mind the wait if i knew it was deffo coming in early november.

[Safrole]

Originally posted by Percise82:
Stop with the whining already when it comes out it you will get it. Kids have no patients To be percise, bad doctors have no patients, while kids have no patience. I have neither, personally.http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n171/SafroleJay/GRAW-Patch.jpg

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by Safrole:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Percise82:
Stop with the whining already when it comes out it you will get it. Kids have no patients To be percise, bad doctors have no patients, while kids have no patience. I have neither, personally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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[ZPaul2Fresh8]

Something this highly anticipated should not be announced until it's released. This sucks to know it could be here any day and fire the xbox up just to realise that it's not here yet.

Plus people are b1tching because they love playing GRAW and would like to see somethings fixed. I play it nearly everyday sinced launched. I can't get enough of it so hopefully we will get a suprise Chapter 3 before XMas! Notice I said SUPRISE http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[OUTFOXEM]

Originally posted by ZPaul2Fresh8:
Something this highly anticipated should not be announced until it's released. This sucks to know it could be here any day and fire the xbox up just to realise that it's not here yet.

Plus people are b1tching because they love playing GRAW and would like to see somethings fixed. I play it nearly everyday sinced launched. I can't get enough of it so hopefully we will get a suprise Chapter 3 before XMas! Notice I said SUPRISE http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yeah it would definitely be a surprise. I don't think they'd announce anything after the Chapter 2 and Title Update fiascos. I know I wouldn't.