View Full Version : Convoy Dead in the Water
10-22-2006, 01:42 AM
It was the darndest thing. I came across a convoy dead in the water, including the escorts. It wasn't until I sank a few that the excorts woke up. (Using NRYM 2.1 and SH3Cmdr 2.6.1)
Has anyone else experienced this?
10-22-2006, 02:10 AM
I had a Task force do the same thing. Just dead in the water. Didn't move and only one of the 3 escorts moved.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 02:21 AM
I've had this too. Don't know if it was supposed to happen, but they just sat there - even after I sank a few of them, the rest didn't didn't budge. Good target practise though!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 02:24 AM
Never had the heart stopping moment of seeing one myself, I can only live in hope!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 03:11 AM
The Brits must be doing some kind of psychological operations when they do this . . . . Wondering what we'll do.
10-22-2006, 03:28 AM
Well, whatever they are doing. They can keep practicing it. Just leave some bigger ships for target practice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 04:01 AM
Were they completly dead or just crawling along?
Sometimes it happens that the convoy gets confused on waypoints and they all pile up. It takes more then 30 minutes for them to sort out the order of sailing an resume in new course.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 04:10 AM
They were in perfect formation, zero knots. It was amazing to see.
10-22-2006, 04:29 AM
Sometimes it happens that the convoy gets confused on waypoints and they all pile up. It takes more then 30 minutes for them to sort out the order of sailing an resume in new course.
Good point. This often hapenned, especially in foggy weather and convoys of mixed nationalities where the experience and competence of the Captains varied.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 05:06 AM
So this was in NYGM? I never saw something like that but I didn't play NYGM very long ...
I guess NYGM's aim that you should never truly
know what happens next has been fulfilled once again.
In GW and UBWA I only saw the "crawlers", one or two at a time.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
Use the vertical!
10-22-2006, 05:09 AM
Mine was either in the stock game or GW, I can't recall exactly, I've not used NYGM.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 02:28 PM
Yes, I use the NYGM mod.
10-22-2006, 02:55 PM
I am currently re-reading "The Battle of the Atlantic" by Donald Macintyre. It is a concise, easy to read small book, in paperback. My copy is so old the paste in the binding has dried and cracked. The photos in the centre of the book are falling out and the pages are yellowing. Still, this is one book that I shall never send to the recyclers. I digress. Now to the point of this thread.
I would agree that this is some sort of bug in the game, confusion at a waypoint or something along those lines. There is no logical reason why this should occur in the game, but in real life weather could bring a convoy to a stop. This was more of a concern for the slow convoys, which contained ships that could not keep up with the faster convoys. The British divided their convoys of slow movers or fast movers. The slow convoys were named with the SC designation, formed at Sydney, Nova Scotia. The faster convoys were designated HX, formed at Halifax, Nova Scotia. Convoys heading east would be handed off to escorts from convoys heading west, around Iceland. This relaying of convoys adhered to a tight schedule, required to orchestrate such a complex system. The convoy SC42 was one of the slow Sydney convoys.
SC42 set sail from Sydney August 30, 1941. It consisted of 65 ships. Heading across the Atlantic it ran into bad weather, which significantly delayed it. These convoys ran on fairly tight schedules. Due to the shortage of escorts with end to end range, convoys were escorted from the western side as far as possible, then handed over to escorts from the UK. The convoys outbound from the UK were handed off to the escorts which came from Canada. This relaying of convoys from escort group to escort group required close timing, in order to minimize the wastage of fuel by the shorter legged escorts. Heavy seas could mess with this timing. Here is an excerpt from the above book:
"For the first four days after the convoy rounded Cape Race and headed north-eastwards toward distant Iceland, easterly gales and heavy seas buffeted the deeply laden freighters. The convoy's nominal speed of 7.5 knots could not be kept up. By the 5th September it was hove-to, the ships barely keeping steerage way on them. So they remained for two days. When the wind at last began to take off a little on the 7th and the slow progress resumed, Hibbard was relieved to find that, but for a detached group of five ships being shepherded by the Kenogami, 10 miles to the northward, his convoy was still complete. On the other hand, when a break in the overcast enabled him to fix his position by sun-sights, he calculated that only 3 knots had been made good during the last four days. A signal, reporting that he would be 72 hours late at the Western Ocean Meeting Point, was sent off for the benefit of the escorts from Iceland which would be coming to meet him."
If the convoy in the game was just sitting there in fairly good weather, then it must be a bug. I've seen convoys in bad weather in the game chugging along at normal speed, so I don't think the game takes convoy delays due to weather into account. I'm guessing that what you saw here was some kind of bug.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 02:58 PM
A great book, I'd recommend it to any fellow Kaleun.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Here is the technical info on the book, for those who may want to borrow it from the library or buy a copy:
"The Battle of the Atlantic" by Donald Macintyre, 1983, Pan Books, ISBN 0 330 02371 3
It was first published in 1961 by B.T. Batsford Ltd; my edition was printed in 1983. At 184 pages in the paperback edition, it can be read in one sitting if you are an avid reader like myself.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
10-22-2006, 03:50 PM
Ive passed along a small grouping if you want to call it of a mixture of one C2 and two small merchants all sitting dead in the water had engine room sounds but no prop wash sound. Heavy weather i guess caused them to stop i assume unless they were waiting for a tugboat to haul them in since this was off the west coast of scapa flow<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
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