What creature u wouldn't want back.... :D

[unreal_az]

What creature u wouldn't wanna see in heroes 5? From the ones in h2/h3/h4. I personaly vote the leprechaun in h4. It's the most ugliest thing i have ever seen and.. it's adventure map creature building had an reaaaly annoing sound. I just hate 'em http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Wurtzel1952]

Not only the Leprchaun but also the beserker, mainly because you can't control them...

[Zamolxis108]

- Venom Spawn
- Satyr
- Dragon (mechanical) Golem. The only "mechanical" things in Heroes should be the Ballista and the Catapult, but they shouldn't come as creature stacks like in H4 (as they are no creatures), but as war machines available to all (or at least most) alignments, like in H3. Technology has no place in a might and magic universe.
- and I'd replace the Crusader with the Paladin

[TAFKAA]

Technology has no place in a might and magic universe.

Clearly you have never played the RPG series called Might and Magic because technology a major part of the Might and Magic universe. Do some research before you make statements like that.

[Arzang]

Leprechaun - what's the point? why does nature insist on having it's own Dwarf?

Satyr - Once again; a random nature spellcaster just thrown into the game to give nature many different creatures.

Dragons - Black Dragons, Faerie dragons and at most one more dragon. Be it dragon flies or dragon fish, more than three dragons is too much. especially since it seems like the game will have only 40 creatures..

Any ugly creature - Why did the gorgons in Heroes 3 look like cows and why did the wyverns look mutated in a non-artistic way?

Any creature with a stupid name - MIGHTY gorgons? Wyvern MONARCHS? how many monarchs are there and it's not like the unupgraded gorgons were weak.

Similar creatures - Rocs vs griffins. Green vs Black dragon. efreet vs genie. Unicorn vs nightmare. please; isn't this world filled with seemingly endless mythology? How many different horses do we want?

[The_Vortex]

Satyr
and some unnecessary upgraded creatures from heroes 3 (i.e. Skeleton Warrior, War unicorn, Infernal troglodyte...)

[Zamolxis108]

Originally posted by TAFKAA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Technology has no place in a might and magic universe.

Clearly you have never played the RPG series called Might and Magic because technology a major part of the Might and Magic universe. Do some research before you make statements like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I tried to play it, but didn't like it so much. RPG is not my style, and also the tech stuff in a mythological game is not my bowl of soup.

[Galgoyle]

There isn't such creature. I love them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif , the Heroes universe is beautifull with more and more creatures.

Maybe except the Wraiths they veeeeery annoying. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[euro_cup]

Creatures I hate:
Any creature when upgraded adds something like mighty, greater, kings, queens etc. You might as well call them "upgraded". Angels - Archangels was fine. devils - archdevils, WTF.
Gorgons: a few metal cows just sneezed on my angel and killed it. Once again WTF.
Ogre Magi: In heroes III I had no problem with them but in Heroes IV they were pointless. Who is not gonna pick the cyclops?
I dont hate peasants, but I think they need to be able to be upgraded into militia.
Pirates: I dont think I need to say anything else about them

[euro_cup]

Similar creatures - Rocs vs griffins. Green vs Black dragon. efreet vs genie. Unicorn vs nightmare. please; isn't this world filled with seemingly endless mythology? How many different horses do we want?

Where is the problem here? Unicorn vs Nightmare, efreet vs genie etc. Are you saying that one of these should be removed? While we are at it lets make it so that there is only one humanoid fighter and one humanoid archer.

[Campaigner_1st]

Venom Spawn - Ugly, worthless and a waste of designtime.

Any creature with a strange title: "Monarch", "King", "Queen", "Greater" etc. etc.

[Arzang]

Originally posted by euro_cup:
Where is the problem here? Unicorn vs Nightmare, efreet vs genie etc. Are you saying that one of these should be removed? While we are at it lets make it so that there is only one humanoid fighter and one humanoid archer.

the problem is; with only 40 creatures; how many horses do we want? Sure, you can add twenty rivalries if you want. Or you could have 40 more or less distinct creatures. And if you ask me; different versions of the same species is just as dumb as adding any stupid title to the creature name as in "greater basilisk".

and that analogy with human archer is decent, but human fighter? Humans differentiate themselves from primitive animals by being able to craft. Horses aren't crafty. Have you ever seen a unicorn produce war machines, halberds, swords or bows?

And besides; I'd rather see an entirely humanoid town like the castle town in H4 rather than a horse town.

[euro_cup]

only 40 creatures

Where the **** did you get that idea. read this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1851065692/m/9211016203)

Also I would hardly call a Nightmare and a Unicorn the same thing. Even with 40 creatures id be ticked if they took one of those out

Lastly
Horses aren't crafty. Have you ever seen a unicorn produce war machines, halberds, swords or bows

What does that have to do with anything?

[Arzang]

Originally posted by euro_cup:
Where the **** did you get that idea. read this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1851065692/m/9211016203)

from that piece of "news" from the German magazine. and since it hasn't been confirmed to be true or fake I will assume it is correct. Because that real king louis fella asked us who our favorite hero was. so I think that article is true but at the same time is meant to check our reactions.

[euro_cup]

Well the URL that I told you to look at was one of the threads that are in bold print. So that one is more likely to be true

[Omega_Destroyer]

This includes all upgraded and non-upgraded versions. Mainly because upgrades annoy me.

Demons: They are only a stepping stone to get better creature dwellings.

Pit Lords: Expensive cannon fodder.

Multiple Dragon Types: More doesn't make the series better.

Magma Elementals: Wow, elemental demons.

Leprachauns: Is there any point to them? Stick to giving us gems and gold.

[Arzang]

Originally posted by euro_cup:
Well the URL that I told you to look at was one of the threads that are in bold print. So that one is more likely to be true

true. but I also used a random number pulled out of my *** to support my opinion:

I'd rather have differentiated creatures than rivalries. but if they have many different creatures then feel free to add rivalries.

But if I could choose though I'd have them use many different mythological creatures rather than horsey vs pony vs evil horse vs electro pony.

[euro_cup]

Interview with Fabrice (http://www.celestialheavens.com/viewpage.php?id=396)

Read this interview. It proves that there will be more than 40. he says maybe more than 130

[euro_cup]

I also used a random number pulled out of my *** to support my opinion

That does not really help your opinion then does it.

[Arzang]

I think he ended on around 130 creatures in Heroes 3. I dare say we will easily top that :Þ

you DO know that he meant that as an end result with expansions? he said that later on, I think it was here on the boards.

there won't be 130 creatures in the initial release and I never said that I never wanted to see rivalries. I just said that:

Original creatures beat similar creatures any day of the week.

Similar creatures are okay IF the number of total creatures is high. and besides; 130 units in h3? isn't that with upgrades and the different countless versions of dragons? not so impressive if you ask me.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

I disliked the Leprachaun and the Satyr because they just screamed “fillerâ€Â�. I’d be willing to put up with the Venom Spawn if it wasn’t replacing the Lich. Pirates would have been better if they didn’t look so stereotypical (same goes for the H4 Vampiresâ€"�H3 vampires were much better looking IMO). There were probably a few others, but that’s all I can think of for now.

I don’t mind the odd upgrade names much (I’ll even put up with “Kingâ€Â� this and “Queenâ€Â� that to a limited extent) in part because it reflects a little on how some real life creatures are named (Greater Scaup, King Eider) and in part because it could be worse and there are a lot of things that have a great deal more importance than creature names (i.e. gameplay, plot). Because when you get right down to it, the names are just labels meant to aid recognition (“Oh, that’s a Cerberusâ€Â� instead of “Oh, that’s a dog-like upgraded Inferno creature with three headsâ€Â�) and don’t (IMO) affect the game much.

[euro_cup]

After all of this arguing you still cannot give me a good reason why they should take out one of Nightmare or Unicorn, or one of Genie or Efreet. Other than general shape they don't even look remotely alike. Their specialties also make them completely different. If you remove upgrades and dragons from heroes III, or just take heroes IV you are left with around 65 units (68 in Heroes IV).
Once again, where is the problem?

[Marcusml333]

Stop bashing all those "improve-names"! They're not so bad... It's only showing that they're improved. "King, Queen, Grand, Monarch, Mighty, etc." It's only caring for you. I think... Well, anyway, i think they're good. And besides, what else would you call them?

Second i neither wan't the Venom Spawn back. That's just plain lack of idea.

[alohaman636]

i dislike these-

pirate- hello! random!

beserkers- don't like the no control thing

Dragon golem- i don't think it belongs there- its to sophisticated. And i agree with the whole thing about catapult should be most advanced, and not count as a creature.(speaking of which- i hated the thing about just a door and not getting to knock down walls http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif)

p.s. bring back the manticores! they were soo cool

[El_Diablo999]

Originally posted by Zamolxis108:
- Venom Spawn
- Satyr
- Dragon (mechanical) Golem. The only "mechanical" things in Heroes should be the Ballista and the Catapult, but they shouldn't come as creature stacks like in H4 (as they are no creatures), but as war machines available to all (or at least most) alignments, like in H3. Technology has no place in a might and magic universe.


I agree^

leprchaun, pixies, pegasus, make some creatures better.

keep the gorgons

and who really cares about the creatures upgrade's prefixs and suffixs?

[ygds]

From looking at posts which involve creature listings about preference, their seems to be some inherent errors that seem to stem from a common lack of mythological knowledge. i would even go so far as to suggest that the makers of HOMM have (at least in the past)either been catering to peoples familiarity with D&D rather than their familiarity with historical mythology (e.g. lizardmen, gnolls, serpent flies HOMM4, beholders, venom spawn, golem dragons). Not to say these all come from the D&D universe, but to say that they seem to be modern inventions placed in a older theme. They could easily insert sasquatch, which upgrades to abominable snowman or yeti, or vice versa. there are still many creatures in mythology that have not been used. for example the mercelion (a lion head with an ants body) with some creative graphics this could work. Also the gorgon in the game is actually just a catoblepas (an african mythological creature) which really did not have to be a scaly cow, but in actuality was supposed to have a pigs head and a mane. A water buffalo's body covered in scales. the breath of the beast was supposed to kill anything for a good range, the creature also had the ability to kill with it's sight. others include the simurg, leviathan(though a sea monster, that did not stop the water elementals before), stymphalian bird, kelpy (according to one description it looks like a rotting corpse of a man riding an equally rotten horse their bodies are fused),sphinx and chimera. Many creatures in the series would be unnessary if they compounded the actual creatures in historic mythology that have already been used. one thing that seems to have been a let down was that the graphic in HOMM4 were not exemplary and were very cartoonish. Most of hte creatures looked innocent and harmless, rather than the warriors that were HoMM3. this is not true for all cases like the gladiator look for the titans. that was very well done. in my opinion, when you have perfectly good creatures like the ones above you don't need warrior leprauchans, and scary floating eyes. not because they are not good but because one is not exactly army material and the other comes from mars.

[st14z]

1 vote for leprechaun that slow little ****

[fnord42]

Originally posted by Arzang:
and besides; 130 units in h3? isn't that with upgrades and the different countless versions of dragons? not so impressive if you ask me.

H3: RoE had 62 unique* creatures and 118 with upgrades.

H3: RoE+AB (or SoD or Complete) had 78 unique* creatures and 141 with upgrades.

Considering that Fabrice indicated there would be close to 130 (but not quite that many in the original release) and some advertising text said "more than 40", I think we could assume that there may be 6 or 7 unique creatures per town (giving us 36 or 42) plus 5 to 30 neutrals and a bunch of upgrades for the town creatures. The "more than 40" may only have been referring to the unique town creatures for all we know.

Personally, there aren't any creatures I really hated, although I disliked the design of certain creatures in some of the games. But since they looked good in other games and the design of all creatures will be changing, I don't think this really matters. And while I disliked a number of H4 creature graphics (including those ugly new harpies..yuck), I thought the Venom Spawn were well done and quite interesting.

Likewise, some creatures weren't very interesting to play at all, like Demons in H3, for example, but since many abilities are also likely to change, this doesn't matter either. Demons in H5 may be the most interesting creature ever.

For that matter, even a new version of Leprechauns could look incredible and be tons of fun to play.

* I'm counting all creatures except upgrades, including the four neutral dragons, as "unique" for this total.

[ArmagedD00M]

I like all of the M&M creatures but I certainly don't want gremlines in that <span class="ev_code_PINK">clown</span>robes

[UndeadDontDie]

No need for me to express my opinion regarding the Venom Spawn, is there?

Anyway, if you wanna kick a creature out, kick all of the HoMM IV creatures, they look like carbonated ****.

[Fenix.-]

I would like to see more than one or two dragons, at least green, red, black and bone (maybe gold and ghost too). I know its better to have as many unique creatures as possible, but you have to consider the amount of work needed for that, which in my opinion is what limits the amount of creatures in the game. What I mean is that the time needed to design red, black and gold dragons based on a green dragon model is considerably less than making a new creature from scratch, which is why upgrades of monsters aren't really a threat to new creatures, they are a plus in the game.

In other words, I think that the development team will try to fit in the game as many creatures as possible while complying with the deadline, and adding upgrades or variations of creatures makes it possible to fit more creatures to the game.

[H1tler77]

Replace zombie with ghoul(Warcraft 3 or Gorlum from LOTR style)

[Monsterrr77]

pit lords/fiends
defils/archdevils
so many kinds of elementals
so many kinds of golems
so many kinds of dragons

[Zimmymasaki]

YOU CANT REMOVE PIRATES NOOOOOOOOO >_< YARG MATIES SET SAIL ^.#
Also seriosuly i cant understand people being so annoyed that you get creatures like greater balisks. Would you prefer if they made it like 4 and simply removed upgrades? Seriously its not like you could upgrade any other way with loads of units. Also peasants upgrading to miltia would be nice. Remove leps,satrys,drag golems, and i'd quite like to loose genies simply cause they suck -_-