Who believes in ghosts?

[danjama]

Just been doing some investigation into the history of Hornchurch airfield, when I came across this:

http://www.psychicinvestigatio...nvestigations_4.html (http://www.psychicinvestigations.net/html/psychic_investigations_4.html)

Now, I'm someone that claims to not believe in ghosts, but when I read things like that, or watch programs about ghosts, or just talk with friends about their experiences, I become quite teary-eyed and feel chills on my neck and back. I think I'm afraid to think that they could exist. How do you all feel about ghosts? Spirits? Orbs?

Anyone have any unique experiences to share?

[Dance]

Now, I'm someone that claims to not believe in ghosts, but when I read things like that, or watch programs about ghosts, or just talk with friends about their experiences, I become quite teary-eyed and feel chills on my neck and back. I think I'm afraid to think that they could exist. How do you all feel about ghosts? Spirits? Orbs?

I feel exactly the same, I am non believer and hate those T.V. shows like 'Most haunted' etc. Yet I react physically in exactly the same way as you when talking to people about their experiences. Perhaps it is some primitive spiritual thing, or perhaps as you say we're just scared of ghosts and would rather think they don't exist. It's pretty irrational one way or the other http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

[b2spirita]

Im normally easily spooked, but i don't believe in ghosts, spirits or anything like that. Ive not come across an unexplained phenomenon like a ghost and ive not seen convincing evidence ether.

The article sounds to me like its mainly confirmation bias at work. I don't see anything in the pictures.

:shrug:

[Airmail109]

I laugh my head off when I watch those ghost programs.

[ROXunreal]

Had several shadow entity experiences when I was 15 and 16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people

In the same building that I LATER learned was supposedly haunted (a woman that is my dad's friend, a very down to earth woman in her 50's that owns a foreign language school) told me that she and her husband saw a ghost of a doctor smoking a pipe in their room while staying there over the night (it's like a hostel, she saw it, her husband "felt" it, and they both told each other in the morning).

That combined with my sleep paralysis experiences and the presences I felt while in that state, has lead me to believe in what people call "ghosts". Even though I never saw a genuine apparition (mainstream human spirit) myself.

I'd rather not comment ghost programs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Messaschnitzel]

I posted an experience I had in a thread that was about this subject a few years before where I woke up to find a dark 'shadow' apparition leaning over me. When I realized it wasn't my roommate, I came up off the couch punching and would have hit it solid if it was really there. My roommate came out of his room and was really mad at me for yelling and waking him up, but then became all nervous and shaky when I told him what I saw. It freaked him out because he saw the same thing a few years before at a different location. (it could be that this thing was following him around? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) This was the only 'ghost' I ever saw before or since, and if it wasn't for this I would tend to dismiss the stories that I hear or read about this subject. In other words, I keep an open mind about it.

[danjama]

I think we can all agree that the various programs on TV are ridiculous and not worth watching. But that's not fair reason to dismiss their existence altogether.

Of most interest to me (if they do exist) is why ghosts are in a certain location, and if they are locked/confined to that location.

Here's a personal anecdote of mine:

Back in 2001, I had some Scottish cousins staying at my house for the new year period. My little cousin, a girl, woke up screaming and crying. She claimed to have been poked and as she ran out into the hallway, she claimed that a small boy sat at the top of the flight of stairs. I was 14 at the time. Scared the crap out of me.

[Zeus-cat]

I don't believe in any of that stuff either. I went to Auschwitz a few years ago and felt nothing unnatural. One would think if any place is haunted it would be a place like that.

[falling-bird]

Shouldn't that be -

'Whoooo-oooooo-ooooooo believes in ghosts?'

[danjama]

Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I don't believe in any of that stuff either. I went to Auschwitz a few years ago and felt nothing unnatural. One would think if any place is haunted it would be a place like that.

Not necessarily. Why would any of the spirits of those who died there want to remain or return there? Surely they would go to family homes or places special to them?

[Airmail109]

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Gh...ind.html?cid=5490578 (http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Ghosts_might_be_all_in_the_mind.html?cid=5490578)

Your all mental!

[Airmail109]

http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/77/3/424.extract

[DuxCorvan]

I'm a non-believer, YET I experienced VERY weird things in my former home -my late grandparents' flat- and so did my family and friends, for about three years.

Noises like strange whispers and steps in the ceiling -in a top roof with no neighbors above- incredibly loud thuds and sounds of breaking glass -with no visible origin- and angry commanding male disembodied voices, yelling "Enter!" or "Pass!" in many an occasion when we were passing the entry door... to an empty home.

Doors opened suddenly by themselves by night, with no wind at all, and the WC flushed by itself -we even saw once the chain being forcibly pulled by an invisible hand. Lights went on and off.

Things went worse: we had translucent panels in our room doors; through them we'd watch strange lights moving slowly up and down the corridor. We'd wake up in the mid of night to see and hear something like fire in the corridor; if we opened the doors, there was nothing. I was pulled out of my bed once, my mother was scared to death when "someone" moaned horribly in her ear when she was watching TV at night. We received strange phone calls at 3 or 4 AM: moans, breaths -we thought it was some pram or pervert, till we were painting our room one day and our phone was disconnected, and resting in a draw, the wire wrapped around it: my bro took the receiver jokingly, faking a call, and he went suddenly white pale... he passed the thing to me, and there she was... the voice of a little girl, babbling something... we hung up trembling.

We sometimes saw "shadow people" in the corridor; man, that was scary stuff; still get the chills when I have to walk down a dark corridor, and to this day I sleep with my room door closed.

The most incredible thing happened to me: I was coming home late from work -I swear it, not a drop of beer- and while I was climbing the stairs to my floor -no elevator in our 4-story building- I noticed someone climbing them just some meters in front of me. It was dark and still, and though they were tiring stairs, I could hear neither the steps of the stranger, nor his/her breath. It was a tall, dark figure, apparently wearing a black long coat, or robe, or something. I saluted. No reply.

The I started to feel nervous, so I intendedly slowed my climbing, so he/she could distance from me. When it arrived the third floor, it just vanished in thin air. Not a noise, not the sound of a lock, or a door, nothing. I arrived my home and told the story to my parents, but I gave it no more importance. Next day, my third floor neighbor, who was rather ill, was dead.

Amused -and certainly impressed- by the coincidence, it was something of an anecdote, and I forgot it soon. But some months later, I came back again late... and there it was. Climbing the stairs just in front of me. This time I was a bit afraid, so I stopped. When it got to the first floor, it vanished again. Remembered that a first floor neighbor was also quite unhealthy lately, fighting a cancer, and thought "So is it, now this grim 'thing' has come for him".

But it had not. Next morning I was relieved to know that my neighbor was still alive and well. It was not until a week later, that I knew HIS DAUGHTER had been killed in a mountaineering accident... that VERY SAME DAY, hundreds of kilometers away.

Some months later, one morning, we heard a very loud noise, like someone screaming and doors crackling or something -it's hard to describe it. And from that very moment -we had no more incidents. Nothing. Nada. Like it never had happened.

I still don't believe in afterlife, but certainly there are things science has yet to explain about mind, and those strange things like "hauntings".

[danjama]

A couple of small things like that happen to me regularly in my home.

My monitor is set to go to standby after one hour inactive. Sometimes, while I'm reading in a chair and the monitor is on standby, it will suddenly power back on, like someone moved the mouse.

Also, if I have my TV on mute for a phonecall or whatever reason (reading again), it will unmute itself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

It's all quite discomforting, but you have to shrug it off.

[b2spirita]

Originally posted by danjama:
A couple of small things like that happen to me regularly in my home.

My monitor is set to go to standby after one hour inactive. Sometimes, while I'm reading in a chair and the monitor is on standby, it will suddenly power back on, like someone moved the mouse.

Also, if I have my TV on mute for a phonecall or whatever reason (reading again), it will unmute itself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

It's all quite discomforting, but you have to shrug it off.

I got in from work one day at at about 3am and sat down to relax. There was no-one else in the house as they were on holiday. The radio behind me turned itself on and blared static. Now, that could mean a supernatural presence amusing itself by scaring me, or it could be a ****ty radio.....

[raaaid]

haha so im not the only one being played tricks by the unknown

[Pirschjaeger]

Infrasound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound)

From Wiki:

The Ghost in the Machine

Research by Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that the frequency 19 Hz was responsible for many ghost sightings. He was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When he turned to face it, there was nothing.

The following day, he was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vice. Although there was nothing touching it, the blade started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led him to discover that the extraction fan was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye (given as 18 Hz in NASA Technical Report 19770013810[22]). This was why he saw a ghostly figure — it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which was detected by the foil.[23]

Tandy investigated this phenomenon further and wrote a paper entitled The Ghost in the Machine[24]. He carried out a number of investigations at various sites believed to be haunted, including the basement of the Tourist Information Bureau next to Coventry Cathedral[25][26] and Edinburgh Castle.

[ROXunreal]

Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I don't believe in any of that stuff either. I went to Auschwitz a few years ago and felt nothing unnatural. One would think if any place is haunted it would be a place like that.

Just a bit of trivia, the places considered most haunted in the world are Gettysburg and the London Tower.

[foxyboy1964]

Originally posted by falling-bird:
Shouldn't that be -

'Whoooo-oooooo-ooooooo believes in ghosts?'

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Originally posted by DanJama:
My monitor is set to go to standby after one hour inactive. Sometimes, while I'm reading in a chair and the monitor is on standby, it will suddenly power back on, like someone moved the mouse.

No mystery there, DJ. It's because the mouse cable has moved, as loops or twists in the cable settle, which in turn moves the mouse. Same thing happens here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ROXunreal]

Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I'm a non-believer, YET I experienced VERY weird things in my former home -my late grandparents' flat- and so did my family and friends, for about three years.

Noises like strange whispers and steps in the ceiling -in a top roof with no neighbors above- incredibly loud thuds and sounds of breaking glass -with no visible origin- and angry commanding male disembodied voices, yelling "Enter!" or "Pass!" in many an occasion when we were passing the entry door... to an empty home.

Doors opened suddenly by themselves by night, with no wind at all, and the WC flushed by itself -we even saw once the chain being forcibly pulled by an invisible hand. Lights went on and off.

Things went worse: we had translucent panels in our room doors; through them we'd watch strange lights moving slowly up and down the corridor. We'd wake up in the mid of night to see and hear something like fire in the corridor; if we opened the doors, there was nothing. I was pulled out of my bed once, my mother was scared to death when "someone" moaned horribly in her ear when she was watching TV at night. We received strange phone calls at 3 or 4 AM: moans, breaths -we thought it was some pram or pervert, till we were painting our room one day and our phone was disconnected, and resting in a draw, the wire wrapped around it: my bro took the receiver jokingly, faking a call, and he went suddenly white pale... he passed the thing to me, and there she was... the voice of a little girl, babbling something... we hung up trembling.

We sometimes saw "shadow people" in the corridor; man, that was scary stuff; still get the chills when I have to walk down a dark corridor, and to this day I sleep with my room door closed.

The most incredible thing happened to me: I was coming home late from work -I swear it, not a drop of beer- and while I was climbing the stairs to my floor -no elevator in our 4-story building- I noticed someone climbing them just some meters in front of me. It was dark and still, and though they were tiring stairs, I could hear neither the steps of the stranger, nor his/her breath. It was a tall, dark figure, apparently wearing a black long coat, or robe, or something. I saluted. No reply.

The I started to feel nervous, so I intendedly slowed my climbing, so he/she could distance from me. When it arrived the third floor, it just vanished in thin air. Not a noise, not the sound of a lock, or a door, nothing. I arrived my home and told the story to my parents, but I gave it no more importance. Next day, my third floor neighbor, who was rather ill, was dead.

Amused -and certainly impressed- by the coincidence, it was something of an anecdote, and I forgot it soon. But some months later, I came back again late... and there it was. Climbing the stairs just in front of me. This time I was a bit afraid, so I stopped. When it got to the first floor, it vanished again. Remembered that a first floor neighbor was also quite unhealthy lately, fighting a cancer, and thought "So is it, now this grim 'thing' has come for him".

But it had not. Next morning I was relieved to know that my neighbor was still alive and well. It was not until a week later, that I knew HIS DAUGHTER had been killed in a mountaineering accident... that VERY SAME DAY, hundreds of kilometers away.

Some months later, one morning, we heard a very loud noise, like someone screaming and doors crackling or something -it's hard to describe it. And from that very moment -we had no more incidents. Nothing. Nada. Like it never had happened.

I still don't believe in afterlife, but certainly there are things science has yet to explain about mind, and those strange things like "hauntings".

This was a great read, thanks.

The part I bolded is pretty much my attitude to these things.

[TheGrunch]

For some reason, every photo me and my friends took in the cemetery at Whitby Abbey has hundreds of floating orbs of light on it. Quite interesting. Possibly electrical interference or something.

[danjama]

Could you scan any of the photographs?

[GoToAway]

Originally posted by TheGrunch:
For some reason, every photo me and my friends took in the cemetery at Whitby Abbey has hundreds of floating orbs of light on it. Quite interesting. Possibly electrical interference or something. Flash + dust (airborne, on the lens, or on the sensor) = "orbs"

I've never seen a picture of "orbs" that cannot be explained by dust.

[TS_Sancho]

Some of you may not know that there is a bonded million dollar reward sitting uncollected for anyone who can provide evidence of the paranormal under controlled conditions.


The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.


One million dollar paranormal challenge (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html)

Any takers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

[danjama]

Damn, have they seen "paranormal activity"? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[heywooood]

loud noises that seem to come from inside the house in another room...a door or window slamming, a plate breaking..wood splintering.

I've heard that - and checked the house and found nothing.

I've also experienced sleep paralysis where I am awakened by the sensation that someone has just sat on the foot of the bed - and I cant move to see who it is or make a sound.

I have had another odd experience...or two

I remember one day after a split shift I had fallen asleep on our sofa..I woke up and was lying there a minute when I decided to get up and go out to check for the mail - I got halfway to the door when I got the feeling I had forgotten something..so I turned back to look at where I had been on the couch - and I was still there.
I saw my left hand move as if to gain leverage to raise my head up..I was lying face down, and just then I was snapped back into the body..and my body lurched - like that dream when you are falling and as you land your body bounces the bed.

I jumped up instantly off the couch

I was certain that I had gotten up and I was certain that I was completely awake..I even got up and went to the exact spot where I had been standing..
Looking around the room this time made my hair stand on end - something about the way the sunlight was striking a painting on the wall in the dining room (a point in the house I could not see from the sofa) exactly as it was when I first got up makes me wonder to this day WTF happened

[DrHerb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmTKKqWL7Hc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

[R_Target]

I'm OK with things not adding up.

[ROXunreal]

Originally posted by heywooood:
I've also experienced sleep paralysis where I am awakened by the sensation that someone has just sat on the foot of the bed - and I cant move to see who it is or make a sound.


Welcome to the club. Felt malevolent presences during my SP experiences just outside my field of view, pressure on lower back that was pushing me through the bed and floor into the apartment below, and that usual loud, hissing intimidating noise. Just a few weeks ago I had a short SP experience fro the first time in 6 years. I learned to stop SP before it happens because I can "sense" when it's going to happen, but this time I was waking up from a night out with booze so I guess the hangover had something to do with not being able to notice myself heading for SP in the few seconds before it struck.
Shorter SP experiences are scary and awesome at the same time to me. Only had a few longer ones where I'd feel the presence, those were just sheer terror.

The other thing you described sounds like a weird out of body experience. I had mild OBE's myself (falling through bed during SP being some of them), usually while waking up, but I can't seem to maintain them for more than a few seconds. There's this part of the OBE when you body feels like it's shaking violently as if your heart is beating extremely fast and strong, that always kinda ruins the OBE because it distracts me too much. OBE's are well documented and I'm completely convinced they're genuine phenomenon.

--

As for the orb talk, orb and ectoplasm photos are something I'm extremely skeptical of. Orbs can be dust, moisture, lens flares, reflections as well as probably EM fields and other things that interfere with camera electronics. Ectoplasm is most likely cigarette or other smoke, mist, and breath at lower temperatures.

[TheGrunch]

Originally posted by GoToAway:
I've never seen a picture of "orbs" that cannot be explained by dust.
I'm sure you're right, but why not on any other late night photos in any other location, then? That's what I don't understand.
I can't scan them, sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It was years ago, don't even own that phone any more. Washing machine death, probably, my mum's good at that one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll see if I can achieve the same result again though, if I'm in the area again, probably not, I imagine.

[raaaid]

I CAUGHT A FLEETING GLIMPSE
OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE.
I TURNED TO LOOK BUT IT WAS GONE
I CANNOT PUT MY FINGER ON IT NOW

[TS_Sancho]

Originally posted by raaaid:
I CAUGHT A FLEETING GLIMPSE
OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE.
I TURNED TO LOOK BUT IT WAS GONE
I CANNOT PUT MY FINGER ON IT NOW

I believe Raaaid has become comfortably numb....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQWszrZHBPI

[BillSwagger]

Originally posted by ROXunreal:

That combined with my sleep paralysis experiences and the presences I felt while in that state, has lead me to believe in what people call "ghosts". Even though I never saw a genuine apparition (mainstream human spirit) myself.



Not sure if people are aware but when you REM sleep your body becomes paralyzed. Its possible that a part of the mind awakens while still partially in this form of sleep and it can be quite terrifying to feel paralyzed or even experience a waking dream. I usually find myself waking from short naps this way, where it seems like half of my mind wakes up while the other is still dreaming. I can usually open my eyes part way, but i can't do anything other than jerk around until i actually wake up. What's weird is if i'm dreaming sometimes the dream will take on the form of what ever i'm seeing. For example a dark shadow in the room can appeared to be a person or animal.
Anytime people speak of ghost stories they experience from waking i often dismiss because of this.

I've also heard the crackles and pops associated with spirits, but then there isn't a house i've lived in that hasn't creaked. Its because wood expands and contracts with changes in air temperature and humidity.

I lived in an old house for four years and only once did i ever have a truly paranormal experience.

We were settling after watching a movie and then the dresser drawers in the room opened and closed by themselves. Needless to say, my girlfriend at the time was pretty hysterical. We both thought someone had walked into the room which was not uncommon, but when we looked, the door was still closed and no one was near the dresser. We both went to bed and had no problems ever sleeping, but it was something that always loomed over our conversations before going to bed.
There was a house next door that was known to be haunted and we shared a courtyard but other than that there was nothing i had ever experienced.

[DuxCorvan]

Well, I forgot to add before that we made a research and the building where we were living had an ugly story itself. Not exactly the building, but the spot where it was built.

The four-story (in fact six-story, since it has a mezzanine plant, and a divided basement) flat building was built in the late 40s over the terrain previously occupied by two smaller two-story houses which burned during the terrible 1941 fire (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendio_de_Santander_de_1941) that destroyed the whole core of my hometown.

Between the two houses ran a street, in fact a narrow alley, then known as "Callejón del Can" ("Dog Alley"). Today you still can see that the building's long, narrow yard follows the shape and direction of this old alley. It opened to the main street exactly through the point where our flat rests on now.

Well, it was there, in the late 19th century -I think it was 1889- that a night watchman was axed to death by an unknown person. An axe murder that was much commented then, and was never resolved... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[Outlaw---]

Originally posted by ROXunreal:
Welcome to the club. Felt malevolent presences during my SP experiences just outside my field of view, pressure on lower back that was pushing me through the bed and floor into the apartment below, and that usual loud, hissing intimidating noise. Just a few weeks ago I had a short SP experience fro the first time in 6 years. I learned to stop SP before it happens because I can "sense" when it's going to happen, but this time I was waking up from a night out with booze so I guess the hangover had something to do with not being able to notice myself heading for SP in the few seconds before it struck.
Shorter SP experiences are scary and awesome at the same time to me. Only had a few longer ones where I'd feel the presence, those were just sheer terror.


This is a well documented phenomenon and it happens to me occasionally although I only have a pressure feeling on my chest. It freaked me out for a long time until I read about it. Now that I know it's simply a physiological thing that happens to some people I can "talk" myself through it. It does wake me up though.

--Outlaw.

[Outlaw---]

Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I'm a non-believer, YET I experienced VERY weird things in my former home -my late grandparents' flat- and so did my family and friends, for about three years.

Noises like strange whispers and steps in the ceiling -in a top roof with no neighbors above- incredibly loud thuds and sounds of breaking glass -with no visible origin- and angry commanding male disembodied voices, yelling "Enter!" or "Pass!" in many an occasion when we were passing the entry door... to an empty home.

Doors opened suddenly by themselves by night, with no wind at all, and the WC flushed by itself -we even saw once the chain being forcibly pulled by an invisible hand. Lights went on and off.

Things went worse: we had translucent panels in our room doors; through them we'd watch strange lights moving slowly up and down the corridor. We'd wake up in the mid of night to see and hear something like fire in the corridor; if we opened the doors, there was nothing. I was pulled out of my bed once, my mother was scared to death when "someone" moaned horribly in her ear when she was watching TV at night. We received strange phone calls at 3 or 4 AM: moans, breaths -we thought it was some pram or pervert, till we were painting our room one day and our phone was disconnected, and resting in a draw, the wire wrapped around it: my bro took the receiver jokingly, faking a call, and he went suddenly white pale... he passed the thing to me, and there she was... the voice of a little girl, babbling something... we hung up trembling.

We sometimes saw "shadow people" in the corridor; man, that was scary stuff; still get the chills when I have to walk down a dark corridor, and to this day I sleep with my room door closed.

The most incredible thing happened to me: I was coming home late from work -I swear it, not a drop of beer- and while I was climbing the stairs to my floor -no elevator in our 4-story building- I noticed someone climbing them just some meters in front of me. It was dark and still, and though they were tiring stairs, I could hear neither the steps of the stranger, nor his/her breath. It was a tall, dark figure, apparently wearing a black long coat, or robe, or something. I saluted. No reply.

The I started to feel nervous, so I intendedly slowed my climbing, so he/she could distance from me. When it arrived the third floor, it just vanished in thin air. Not a noise, not the sound of a lock, or a door, nothing. I arrived my home and told the story to my parents, but I gave it no more importance. Next day, my third floor neighbor, who was rather ill, was dead.

Amused -and certainly impressed- by the coincidence, it was something of an anecdote, and I forgot it soon. But some months later, I came back again late... and there it was. Climbing the stairs just in front of me. This time I was a bit afraid, so I stopped. When it got to the first floor, it vanished again. Remembered that a first floor neighbor was also quite unhealthy lately, fighting a cancer, and thought "So is it, now this grim 'thing' has come for him".

But it had not. Next morning I was relieved to know that my neighbor was still alive and well. It was not until a week later, that I knew HIS DAUGHTER had been killed in a mountaineering accident... that VERY SAME DAY, hundreds of kilometers away.

Some months later, one morning, we heard a very loud noise, like someone screaming and doors crackling or something -it's hard to describe it. And from that very moment -we had no more incidents. Nothing. Nada. Like it never had happened.

I still don't believe in afterlife, but certainly there are things science has yet to explain about mind, and those strange things like "hauntings".

Dude, if you can chalk up the above to, "unexplained things about the mind", and pure coincidence...well, I don't know what to say! Note that I'm not commenting on your intelligence or anything as I can no more prove/disprove any other explanation, however, that's one INCREDIBLE series of events considering many were experienced across multiple minds at the same time.

I mean, come on, multiple people actually witnessed the SAME chain being pulled at the same time?!?!?!?!?!?! HOLY CRAP I WOULD FREAK OUT!!!!!! Breaking glass (a very distinct sound) with no physical evidence? Voices speaking intelligible words??!?!?! I'm not going to sleep at all tonight.

You were forcibly pulled out of bed (I assume by something unseen)?!?!?!? Did I mention, HOLY CRAP I WOULD FREAK OUT!?!?!?!?!??! This also happened to a friend of mine and during the experience he and his wife both saw a ghostly apparition of a woman. They were staying at an allegedly haunted hotel in Colorado (a state here in the US), but, he didn't find out about the alleged haunting until AFTER they had left.

I have to go turn all the lights on in the house now. I think I'm going to go get that grenade my cousin claims to have.

--Outlaw.

[Airmail109]

Just about everything mentioned in this thread can be explained through Neurology.

[Wildnoob]

Originally posted by Aimail101:
Just about everything mentioned in this thread can be explained through Neurology.

In this kid of discussion we find the skeptics that want to say everything is fake and those who belive.

Extremists. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Pirschjaeger]

Here's the ghost of a neurologist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfZItov1BUo

[Low_Flyer_MkIX]

You're a very naughty boy, Fritz. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Well, here goes...call me a nutter if you want, but read on...


Years ago I was in a pub (no, really!) with a group of friends. The Sun Inn, Whatley, Somerset, if anyone's interested. Anyway, we were all dressed in 17th Century costume, having been playing silly buggers in a nearby village. It was early afternoon on a sunny spring day, and we had just finished a meal. We were seated at a large, wide table set against a wall. One of our ladies suddenly told me to 'stop it' (I had a habit of tickling the back of her neck, and it was this sensation that she felt). She then realised that I was sat opposite her (against the wall) well out of reach. Her eyes went very wide as she realised no-one was behind her. At that moment, every one of the six people sat at the table was poked in the ribs by a force unseen and sat bolt upright. A spontanious 'WTF was that?' went around the table and we finished our drinks, intrigued rather than spooked - except for the lady who had been first touched, she burst into tears. Not, as she later told me, through fear, but through an uncontrollable sense of sadness that stayed with her throughout the day - as did the tears. She was fine the next day.

An unrelated incident occurred one afternoon when I was left in charge of two boys when their younger sister was taken to hospital by the family I was staying with in a cottage in Gloucestershire. I was sat in an armchair facing the large fireplace with its' railway sleeper mantlepiece. The two boys - aged around 8 and 10 if it matters - were playing with their toy soldiers in the corner to the right, their backs to me. I suddenly sensed rather than heard children laughing. A small ceramic ornament, a Japanese style lidded ashtray, then scraped its' way along the mantlepiece from right to left and shot towards me, stopping about an inch from my nose before falling into my lap. The boys played on, seemingly oblivious. The sensed laughter stopped. Again, intrigue rather than fear coursed through my veins. When I eventually told the parents they replied that stuff like that happened all the time there, particularly with children's toys, and that the young daughter was occaisionally possessed by an old woman who ranted about proper cookery and recited biblical quotations, but these outbursts became rarer as the child grew older (she was about 4 at the time). I can only report on the one incident I witnessed with my own eyes, but have no reason to disbelieve what I was told.

Sort of thing you're after, Mr Jama? Ghosts? Ghoulies? Rips in time? Explainable phenomena? All I know is I was stone cold sober on both occasions.

[mmitch10]

Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
...All I know is I was stone cold sober on both occasions.

This is perhaps the spookiest part of the tale http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[raaaid]

sometimes i wake up with unknown scratches

i tested, it was not my nails

its a very pouplar google in forums, night scracthes

i rather think caused by sucubus

http://www.google.es/search?hl...i=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=unknown+night+scratches&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)

[Pirschjaeger]

Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
You're a very naughty boy, Fritz. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Those vids usually don't catch me but this one did. Thought I'd share the experience. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Well, here goes...call me a nutter if you want,...


Well, now that you've mentioned it..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

But on a serious note, although I am 100% sure, at least in my mind, that there are no such things as ghosts, I see no problem with people believing in them. The belief itself is harmless. My mother believes 100% in ghosts. I have no problem with that. It hurts no one.

I'd write more on the matter but as it is time is short. I have a couple goblins coming by to make an offer on a unicorn I caught last week. But in short, although supernatural creatures most certainly do not exist, I see no harm in believing in them.

To each their own ghost.

edit: I just wanted to add that people who believe in ghosts are not necessarily nutters. As for those who communicate with them......... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[DuxCorvan]

Originally posted by Outlaw---:
You were forcibly pulled out of bed (I assume by something unseen)?!?!?!? Did I mention, HOLY CRAP I WOULD FREAK OUT!?!?!?!?!??!

I DID freak out. It was quite fast, and I was completely awake. I had been reading -an aviation book, lol- and it was about 1:00 AM. I had to get up early, so I put the book in the floor by the bed, turned out the light, rested my head on the pillow, pulled the blanket to cover me, and suddenly... someone grabbed both my feet through the blanket and pulled me, blanket and all, out of the bed. I was there, sitting on the floor at the feet of my bed, completely freaking out. The next thing I remember is I was storming into in my parents' bedroom, switching all lights on, and too frightened to speech.

Man, I asked daddy and mommy to let me sleep with them, and I was 27 then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[foxyboy1964]

Hmm, I would describe myself as someone who doesn't believe in ghosts. Having said that, some people, whose word I have come to respect, have made some pretty interesting posts in this thread. To hell with saving energy, I'm sleeping with the lights on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

[MosDef2006]

Wow....just skimmed through this thread as it caught my eye from the Maddox Games forum page as I didn't realize this forum even existed. And I say I'm quite astonished...I'm always astonished when people quickly and completely discount certain experiences/phenomena just because THEY'VE never experienced it or knew anyone who has.

I mean of course you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV....but the arrogance of some people....they think science can explain EVERY single aspect of life...i don't know, i just think they've missed out on a bigger picture.

I've never experienced ghost or paranormal things myself, but I do believe in the spiritual enough not to doubt the existence of real instances things which there can be no other explanation than what the witnesses say they were.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by MosDef2006:
Wow....just skimmed through this thread as it caught my eye from the Maddox Games forum page as I didn't realize this forum even existed. And I say I'm quite astonished...I'm always astonished when people quickly and completely discount certain experiences/phenomena just because THEY'VE never experienced it or knew anyone who has.


I mean of course you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV....but the arrogance of some people....they think science can explain EVERY single aspect of life...i don't know, i just think they've missed out on a bigger picture.

I've never experienced ghost or paranormal things myself, but I do believe in the spiritual enough not to doubt the existence of real instances things which there can be no other explanation than what the witnesses say they were.

that's our forum.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[p-11.cAce]

but the arrogance of some people....they think science can explain EVERY single aspect of life...i don't know, i just think they've missed out on a bigger picture.

Thanks for the quick trip back to the dark ages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The primary problem I have with "ghosts" is that they violate mass-energy equivalence. We are told that ghosts transfer energy - either in the form of sounds on evp's, moving objects, etc. yet they are apparently without mass and can float, pass through objects, etc. Sorry but no mass=no energy.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally posted by MosDef2006:

I mean of course you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV....but the arrogance of some people....they think science can explain EVERY single aspect of life...i don't know, i just think they've missed out on a bigger picture.



No different to thinking Jesus can explain every aspect of life or that a channeled entity claiming to be the King of the Dolphins projecting from a starship orbiting Alpha Centauri can explain every aspect of life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It makes people comfortable to feel everything can be explained, or at very least explained away.

[BillSwagger]

Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
no mass=no energy.

Just like radio waves. Sure radio waves pass right through me and walls, and even travel miles. no mass, that means people are living in my radio.


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[Pirschjaeger]

From the posts in this thread I can see there may be a bit of confusion. There are two ways to talk about your position.

1) subjective belief: saying you believe or do not belief in ghosts does not establish the existence,.... only a belief.

2) objective probability: saying ghosts are probable or improbable is not claiming ghosts exist or do not exist.

Subjectively I say ghosts most certainly do not exist but objectively I say they are highly improbable.

If, while reading others' posts, you keep this sort of thinking in mind the discussion can be both interesting and informative rather than degrading to the usual pi§§ing match.

And finally, between black and white is a whole lot of grey. Polarized views serve only to distract from the issue and support prejudice. Attempting to polarize others is dishonesty and dishonourable and serves only to support an established polarized view.