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snatchio
03-01-2006, 02:17 PM
Sorry if you tried to access the last one. I have asked my friend to put it on his site in zip format.

http://sachio.dream-mechanics.co.uk/Flying%20with%20Ale...ia%20and%20Elise.zip (http://sachio.dream-mechanics.co.uk/Flying%20with%20Alexia%20and%20Elise/Flying%20with%20Alexia%20and%20Elise.zip)

Hope you enjoy my first movie and let me know what you think; good and especially the critical.

Cheers

Joe-90
03-02-2006, 05:30 AM
Excellent snatchio!

Well worth the download. And for a first movie, you really seem to have got a good grasp of the techniques.

Where it is a bit rough around the edges, you certainly make up for it with the originality.

Including real people is very unusual and adds a great deal of human interest (the last movie I saw with very good inclusion of real people is 'the Entertainer' by LeLv30_Apina).

Not much too critisize, but seeing as you ask...

There were a few jerky mouse pans which is a big no-no.

Good to see you adding camera shake, this improved some shots but the 'shake' wasn't quite right.

The quality of the picture was a bit low in places. Was this because you fed the signal into your camcorder? I guess the benefit of that is you get to use high quality settings in-game and keep a good frame rate. Though consider using FRAPS to capture directly from the screen.

It has often been said that using real sound effects as opposed to the in-game effects makes a huge difference. This is true, but takes a lot more effort! I haven't really tried this very much either http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All in all, an enjoyable flick, and a lot of original ideas. Hope to see more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LtSpit
03-02-2006, 09:09 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif cool movie!!! Very good story... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

snatchio
03-02-2006, 09:46 AM
Thanks Lt Spit, for your kind words and the animated smileys!

Thanks Joe-90 for your views. I very much appreciate them, especially with your level of detail. Incidentally, I had a meeting and lunch with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries this morning (the former makers of the Zero fighter). They were telling us how your fellow countryman Sir Thomas Glover was a catalyst to industrialisation of Japan and the Mitsubishi Industrial Group. I thought that the Zero having Scottish blood might be of interest to you judging from your website's Scotland/fighter plane theme.

flyin_scotzzman
03-02-2006, 10:42 AM
Hello Sachio,

absolutely loved this movie.An IL2 movie with a difference.
I'm no movie maker so I can't comment on the technical side of things, but out of pure enjoyment I rate it highly.
Great to see a proud dad having fun with his kids.

Well done mate.

LtSpit
03-02-2006, 02:40 PM
this film made me cry in the end http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Joe-90
03-02-2006, 05:27 PM
the Zero having Scottish blood might be of interest to you

Ta. Scots are very familiar with Zero's, especially when the National football team is involved (I wouldn't, of course, like to mention the latest 6 nations rugby score against England.

MrVH
03-02-2006, 06:04 PM
Yup, really liked this snatchio. Very good blue/green screening... matching angles, etc. Very original story as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

I don't have much time right now so I can't 'critique', but please keep making IL2 films, you've definitely got a knack for the different http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .


MrVH

flyin_scotzzman
03-03-2006, 12:58 AM
Way to go Joe!!

p.s. liked your last short movie with the mossies and the 633 squadron theme music.Now all we need is the Banff wing taking out some ships, so get cracking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

snatchio
03-03-2006, 07:13 AM
(I wouldn't, of course, like to mention the latest 6 nations rugby score against England.[/QUOTE]

Being Japanese, we never have any rugby scores to mention (or Rugby World Cup venue choice).

Thanks everyone for your kind comments. It's interesting to hear that it made LtSpit cry at the end, because orginally I did a storyboard as a tragedy. I was watching an old IL2 movie called 'Four Horsemen', and I thought "wouldn't it be really tragic if the rescuing fighter didn't make it in time". Then the story developed from there. The only reason I turned it into a tragi-comedy is so that my children won't be traumatised (plus much protest from my wife).

STENKA_69.GIAP
03-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Yeah - luv it!

Give all those kadets a good ol spankin from Unkle Stenka

Lolsav
03-03-2006, 09:45 PM
Just letting my personnal input: Loved it m8. Thanks for all the effort there.

Hope you can survive your wifey anger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

One question tough, why mpg and not other more friendlie format, xvid, divx?

snatchio
03-04-2006, 02:48 AM
Cheers guys

The reason the format is in mpeg is simply because 1)that was the output available on Adobe Premiere Elements, and 2) I don't know really how to do it any other way. I'm a noooobie so I didn't really know how to publish it to everyone's taste. I'm getting my friend to put it on DivX. My movie says it all but I'm not strong technically (I mean how many self-respecting IL2 movie makers use a cheap and nasty camcorder to capture clips from screen like me?)

You would have thought that my wife, who's an animator developing Playstation 3 games, would help me out here. Ironically, she really hates me playing computers, and wants nothing to do with machinema. Maybe she is hinting that I should spend more time with my family and I should stop making films.......

Joe-90
03-04-2006, 07:32 AM
lol, snatchio, machinema is best suited to the lonely bachelor. And if you aren't one yet, you may end up being one if you're not careful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Anyway, play with Fraps to capture your clips instead of your DV Cam, and Virtualdub to handle your compression. You should be able to output from Premiere in uncompressed avi which you then drop into virtualdub for compressing.

snatchio
03-05-2006, 12:55 AM
Cheers Joe

I looked on FRAPS website and the maximum resolution is 1152 x 864? My screen is 1920 x 1200. Do I get to choose which bit of screen I record for composition purpose?

Are there any other screen capture softwares in the market?

Also, I noticed that the best screen resolution for the game is around 1400 x 1000 (I think) which means that when I play, the images are stretched sideways. Is there a way of correcting that? Do I just play on the resolution that has a ratio nearest to my screen?

There's so much to learn on the IL2 movie! I can't even start thinking about skinning.

Joe-90
03-05-2006, 05:01 AM
Persevere with FRAPS, it is the preffered choice. With FRAPS, you will never get a smooth fps at 1152 x 864, and you will have HUGE avi files captured. Most of us capture at 800x600, and as long as you have your quality settings high (especially Antialiaising at least at 4x) then it will look great.

Look at the other movies around here. They are captured at 800x600 or less, and don't you think they look great?

Watching other movies will help you learn good techniques. The good thing you have now is originality, and that is a BIG plus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, here are a selection of movies worth watching, and links to the appropriate threads where you can download them, if you haven't already?

My recommendation is 'Requiem', it's really old but a classic and what first inspired me. 'Come With Me' is great for action. 'Mitchell' is just a masterpiece of a kind of documentary. And 'I Promise' is the best story type movie.


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/7611094632
I Promise - MrVH

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/6181019003
Operation Big Ben - Joe90

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/6681005903
Adler Tag - Blackace

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/9421010933
Pictures of War - Monty-Dan

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/9231017333
Come With Me - RC Kedik

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/2751052643
Mitchell - Maximum Bob alternative link http://screenshotart.com/YaBBImages/Gallery/movies/Mitchell.zip

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/3401084823
The Entertainer - LeLv30_Apina

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/1651043642
V1 - Monty-Dan

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/5731055703
Skies Over Leningrad - hetzer_aka_AcE

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/847102022/r/596106152
Requiem - I/JG54_SerpentBlade and I/JG54_XPC

NTESLA
03-05-2006, 06:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifI'm really getting old here! Not even listed there! Joe, Dig up that ol' IL2 movie history book I should be there during the signing of the Magna Carta http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Joe-90
03-05-2006, 09:45 AM
Makes me feel like a young noob, looking back through the old forums.

No offence NTESLA, and the others (Mystic, Pawnee, and many more). I only scanned back a few pages in the forum to point our new friend in the direction of some good examples!

So, where is that movie hosted that you won the prize with NTESLA? Can't find it anywhere, and it is way before my time. It used to be on Wiley/Doolittle's web site, wasn't it?

Here is all I managed to find by you on the forums, just over a year old! Watch this snatchio - NTESLA is also a great one for mixing real people into movies. Check out the Few' trailer as well, of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...1060262/r/6751060262 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6751060262/r/6751060262)
Pacific Fighters Short - NTESLA and THX1138

snatchio
03-05-2006, 10:13 AM
Thanks for the reference list Joe-90. I do have half of them, but I always wished someone would make me a list of good ones because there are so many out there and not all are worth sneaking out of my share of childcare to watch.

Don't worry NTESLA, you might have been on the old scene but I know of you very well, because your interview on Airwarfare.com is what got me into IL2 movies. The only link that still works on that page was 'Four Horsemen' and notice the homage I pay to that story line in my film? If you still have working links to all the films mentioned on http://www.airwarfare.com/AWX/features/interviews/ntesla.htm, I would love to see them. (It took me ages to find Requiem, but the rest I still haven't got hold of.)

They maybe old, and the graphic cards might have been slower then, but the story and directing stands the test of time. Like in Star Wars, Episode IV beats the pants off Episode I despite the 20 year lag in technology. Mind you, that makes you sound really old because your original piece was only 3 years ago!

310th Falcon
03-05-2006, 03:15 PM
S! snatchio

Joe is 100% correct. No matter how fast your computer is you should never captured any higher then 800x600. The website below has some of the top movies from several years ago. Two from Davinci, one from ShadowSix, two from Scragbat, Requiem is there, and two from the Chinaboys.
All of these movie are excellent.

These movie were capture at either 800x600 or 640x480. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Link to these above movies (http://www.nr.no/%7Epab/il2.html)

Here are link to "The Entertainer", and "Come with me"
Link (http://www.pigyn.com/fb_vid/)

Mitchell-Spitfire (ftp://ftp.redrodgers.com/movie/Maximum%20Bob/)

MysticPuma's Movies (http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/my%20site/page%202%20started%20again.html)


I Promise by Mr.VH (http://www.meyeuniverse.com/meyemovies.php)

These are a few of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif


Best Regards

Monty-Dan
03-05-2006, 03:41 PM
Sorry to disagree guys on the 800x600 capture, I use quite a lot of shots at 1024 x 768 so I can €œoff centre€ the object greatly, makes much better cinematography.

My two pence worth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Monty-Dan

snatchio
03-07-2006, 07:22 AM
Monty-Dan. I just wanted to ask this off-centre business. In the replay of NTRKs, press F2 and your plane is always in the centre of the screen. I imagined that if you use FRAPS (sorry I haven't got one), you can never avoid this because you always record as it shows on the screen, and if you want to use the 'third rule', you'll have to crop it yourself later.

Are you saying that FRAPS allows off-centre capture on a higher resolution? Or is it simply that you capture it at 1024x768 and from it you crop the edge outer edge so that you get 800x600 in one side of the original picture?

Mysticpuma2003
03-07-2006, 11:15 AM
No Snatchio.

When you capture at 1024x768 the image you see is the image you capture.

However if you put a 1024x768 video onto a timeline that is 800x600, you can apply a moving path to the video and move it off centre.

and that's all I'm saying as it's the same as breaking the magician's code...how could you Monty? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

310th Falcon
03-07-2006, 04:45 PM
that's all I'm saying as it's the same as breaking the magician's code...how could you Monty?
Bad Monty...how dare you break the magician's super secret code! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


Best Regards

Joe-90
03-08-2006, 02:52 AM
Monty and his followers (Is that Bbloke behind him!)

http://www.themaskedmagician.com/images/pic34.jpg

BBloke
03-09-2006, 01:17 PM
When you capture at 1024x768 the image you see is the image you capture.

However if you put a 1024x768 video onto a timeline that is 800x600, you can apply a moving path to the video and move it off centre.

and that's all I'm saying as it's the same as breaking the magician's code...how could you Monty?


Ahem.. funny that. I seem to recall a similar discussion between Monty and Joe and then the penny dropped.

Play fair children or I'll open my cans of wriggly things. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You can, after all capture at what ever you wish providing the end result of the footage is smooth and your PC can handle it.

Stay tuned for more helpful insights!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

BBloke
03-09-2006, 01:48 PM
Ok, Ok, I give in now....

Is this a movie makers forum or a "look at my movie with all my secret stuff".... ...I can't seem to find Mr GL2's guide to making movies anywhere......

Did the sticky back plastic fall off into the ether?

I dont think there's much help going on.

PC technology seriously hampered movie making. Top spec cards were expensive. Cards such as ATI 9800 were approx 300. You can now get them for next to 75. The world of graphics change and so should movies.

S!

Joe-90
03-10-2006, 02:09 AM
Its over at:

http://meyeuniverse.com/movboard/viewtopic.php?t=382

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

GL2
03-10-2006, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by BBloke:
I can't seem to find Mr GL2's guide to making movies anywhere.

Hey, don't look at me for answers. My only claim to fame was convincing a dozen odd people I actually knew what I was doing when we launched FH&C! There...I admitted it!! Mwahahahah!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

FlatSpinMan
03-11-2006, 02:58 AM
Glad you guys posted links to all those great movies. I had been thinking about downloading "Requiem" again for ages but didn't know where to get it from. It is still my all-time favourite Il-2 movie. Really moving without being preachy or heavy handed. Even my wife, an avowed Il-2 hater, thought it was good.
"Come with me" is a VERY close second - the editing is superb and the music suits it so well.

Snatchio - I just watched your effort. Kawaaaii!!! and chotto Kowai! I liked Churchhill's speech and the dialogue you edited in from Star Wars was great and seeing the two wee girls was excellent. It did seem to be a bit of a mix of two separate movies - one serious, the other a nice family movie- but it was very well done. Definitely original, that's for sure.
You mentioned talking to Mitsubishi Heavy - are you in the Kansai area? I'm in Kobe and a number of my students work for Mitsubishi (or maybe Kawasaki Juuko) - I forget which one.
Anyway, that was great movie.
Thanks.

Barmyfluid
03-11-2006, 01:25 PM
Great first film and top marks for originality.

The mouse panning was a bit off-putting, but I kinda liked the look of the camcorder captured footage.

Some great techniques and ideas in there, like the shot of the airfield then the camera pulls back through the floor of the stuka. And the inclusion of "live-action" pilots was good too, I loved the shot of Alexia looking back to see the damage after her hurri took a couple of cannon rounds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good work, looking forward to more

BBloke
03-12-2006, 01:38 PM
Hey, don't look at me for answers. My only claim to fame was convincing a dozen odd people I actually knew what I was doing when we launched FH&C! There...I admitted it!! Mwahahahah!!!

Gotta em good that time GL2 - or should that be Grand Larsony 2??? ;-)

snatchio
03-13-2006, 06:14 AM
Thanks everyone for the posts. I spent a long time reading notes on film making and I have now obtained FRAPS and mouse emulator. I will spend more time studying just to catch up with you guys on the technical front. Don't be shy in revealing the tricks! One day (I hope) I will quote you the Vader line 'When I read your stuff, I was but a learner. Now I am the Master'.

FlatSpinMan, I'm actually working in London albeit I am Japanese. (And if you are English, you'll know the ignominy of living in Essex and marrying a girl from there). As you say 'chotto kowai' and my wife didn't like it at all. Father shooting down daughter and the other daughter blowing father out of sky, wasn't really a family film she had in mind. Alexia's parachute scene was added later to appease the domestic Board of Censors. Good luck in Japan.

Barmyfluid, I've put a eulogy on your entry because your film was great. Thanks for noticing Alexia's 'acting'. She really was not amused at all throughout the filming, but I'm sure she'll be glad later that it was all worth it! Now the Social Services will be after me to ask few questions about working hours and conditions my children were under.

Sintubin
03-21-2006, 03:05 PM
Snatchio my friend very good movie

This one gos to my hard drive

Next to Requiem http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

You have two lovely dochters mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I wil be farther for the first time also in april http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

TC_Stele
09-04-2006, 01:32 AM
That was a really cool movie. I think its the first time I saw a movie of IL2 in which it brings a sense of a personal touch with someone who's really involved with this sim.