A-10 loadout using TOW*4 - possible?

[cybertoolzz688]

reading Grebs Sound Pack info in loman - he talks about using TOWs w/ the A-10. is this possible? i have tried it w/o success - using lope - i added TOW*4/4 and various pods (flir, lantirn) - couldn't mount the flir - i did mount the lantirn pod - neither of them allowed me to target using TOWs. i was able to fire the TOWs but no tracking or target lock.

Grebs - just wtf were u talking about???

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[cybertoolzz688]

reading Grebs Sound Pack info in loman - he talks about using TOWs w/ the A-10. is this possible? i have tried it w/o success - using lope - i added TOW*4/4 and various pods (flir, lantirn) - couldn't mount the flir - i did mount the lantirn pod - neither of them allowed me to target using TOWs. i was able to fire the TOWs but no tracking or target lock.

Grebs - just wtf were u talking about???

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[Force_73rd_]

Huh, TOW missiles? (sorry, don't fly the hog much, wanted to, but the 33,27 and 29 are much leeter)

[Galwran]

Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile=>Can't use fixed winged planes as a launch platform.

[cybertoolzz688]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Galwran:
Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile=&gt;Can't use fixed winged planes as a launch platform.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

do the helos use TOWs then? what pod/setup does the Apache have to allow use of TOWs? i heard some posts about needing a "ghost" AI unit to "paint" a target or something like that. simply not possible then?

very well - what OTHER weapons can the A-10 mount - is there a COMPLETE list -IRL- of what the hog can load? for instance - i have added CBU-97 bombs using LOPE and whooboy - these bombs kick *** compared to Rockeye Mk20 cluster bombs or Mk81/2/3/4 iron bombs. i have loaded AGM65D/K*3 - MER-Mk83*2, MER-Mk83*6, ETC.

A-10 can't load AGM114 Hellfire or AGM45 Shrike - can't load any GBUxxx - cant load FLIR IT will load the LANTIRN but cant use it - cant load AIM7/9/120 etc etc.

i just want to know the COMPLETE list of LOADABLE weapons on the A-10.

i KNOW about the LOMAN real weapons mod - i have it - but i just want a plain 'ol list of what it can load...

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[olaleier]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cybertoolzz688:


do the helos use TOWs then? what pod/setup does the Apache have to allow use of TOWs?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. TOWs can be visually guided (holding a crosshairs over the target) and I think they can be slaved to IR-tracking devices.

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A-10 can't load AGM114 Hellfire or AGM45 Shrike - can't load any GBUxxx - cant load FLIR IT will load the LANTIRN but cant use it - cant load AIM7/9/120 etc etc.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't load the AIM-9? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
i just want to know the COMPLETE list of LOADABLE weapons on the A-10.

i KNOW about the LOMAN real weapons mod - i have it - but i just want a plain 'ol list of what it can load...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the real weapons mod pretty much covers what that A-10 version can load, as far as which weapons are modelled in Lock On.

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[cybertoolzz688]

by golly ur right! aim9*2 - works! thx

u say also that i can target w/tow using ir? which ir device? all i see in lope is flir and lantirn - those don't work.

how do i use tows on a-10?

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[olaleier]

You misunderstood me. I said "Yes" in response to the question "Does helos use TOWs".

The targeting stuff was how it's really done, not in Lock On.

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[Felklaw]

Apaches don't usually use TOW, not sure if they actually can, especially since they have the lovely hellfire to use instead !

Cobra use the TOW a lot, mainly because it's a fair bit lighter than the hellfire, so the cobra can carry either 2 hellfire per wing stub, or 4 TOW. Which would you choose ? hehe

I believe the TOW used in helos is slightly different to the TOW used by hummers, etc.

Wire guided isn't too bad, because during the Falklands war, a Royal Marine almost downed a Argentinian A-4 Skyhawk with a Milan wireguided missile. Very close actually.


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[Growler67]

The comparisson between the TOW and the Milan are about the same as apples and oranges. Yes they are both fruit, or in this case wire guided. The TOW missiles carried by Hummers and Cobras are in fact the same ones. There have been improvements over the years since it entered service (as with most military hardware). The current version is even more deadly that it's progenator.

For the Cobra (AH-1W Sea Cobra, twin engine - as compared to the decommissioned single engine variant the Army no longer uses) the TOW provides a standoff weapon that has to be guided to impact. With the Hellfire it can also carry and is fire and forget, it relies upon some other entity to "paint" or laser designate the target first.

Application of a wire guided munition from a fixed-wing platform is NOT a practical means of delivering ordinance. I don't know where you got your information, but it was wrong.

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[Felklaw]

hehe It would be hilarious to see the results of a TOW launch from a fixed wing jet.
The A-10 might be safe due to the engines being covered by the wings, but most other jet engines would suck that lose guidance cable into the turbines. Not a pretty sight. Plus add to the fact that at least a helo can stay stationary and maintain the separation from the target, whereas an aircraft will still be approaching target so that they can hold the target in their sights. Not a very safe proposition.


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[nobrow]

Hi,

I tried it out with Lope and the damn TOW hit my wing when i fired it !LOL!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[cybertoolzz688]

hehe - i loaded TOW4*4 - 16 TOWs - took it up and pointed at an armor column. i fired all 16 TOWs in rapid succession and everyone of them launched w/o a prob. only thing they just kept going into the horizon - no target lock. i tried mounting both FLIR and LANTIRN pods but nothing - no targeting. but firng 16 TOWs at once - no prob - lol.

cool thing too - i was able to follow the big bunch of TOWs - i kept right behind them until they eventually hit the ground - i was right behind them as they hit and man - the explosions were pretty cool!

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[jeroen-79]

It is probably a matter of avionics as well.

TOW uses SACLOS (Semi Automatic Command Line Of Sight) guidance.
This system automatically steers the missile onto the line of sight indicated by the crosshairs.
The gunner then puts the crosshairs on the target so that the missile will be steered onto the line between the shooter and the target and hit the target.

While this can be done with a fixed wing aircraft (keep a pipper on the target, maybe lock a sensor to it, the Su-25 can do something similar) the LOMAC A-10 probably doesn't have any controls for this just like the Su-33 can't get a TV picture from AGM-65.

[DayGlow]

plus the speed of the fixed wing aircraft would make the wire guilded part difficult. I believe the Russian missiles have RF control.

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[Growler67]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> i tried mounting both FLIR and LANTIRN pods but nothing <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The TOW is "Optically" tracked, that is what the "O" in TOW stands for. FLIR and LANTIRN will not assist or avail you with tihs munition. There are NO fixed wing aircraft that can deploy the TOW in existance.

http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/detail/mis/m220_tow.html

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/tow.htm

It was never conceived nor intended to be fixed-wing compatible. Waste your hardpoint stores capability with these munitions, I hope I come up against you in a H2H ground engagement.

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[FatBoy_190th]

ty - i think i got it now NO TOWs on A-10!

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