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Waldo.Pepper
10-09-2005, 06:30 AM
German deception efforts.

I love collecting the obscure and different. Add some more if you have them.

Anyway, we see Allied deception efforts often enough, but here is an assortment that I have collected of some German efforts that I though you may all appreciate.

We have some Japanese decoys inthe game, but I would like to see the possibilities expanded.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/nosedeception.jpg


I love the first one. On this Ju88 fighter version they have painted in some fake glass to give the impression that the plane as a mere bomber. Maybe a careless enemy will stray too close.



The following are a series of airfield decoys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/1028473648.jpg

Love those cows.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/1028760268.jpg

This is actualy a derelict French fighter put to use as a decoy. note the Roundel on the bottom of the wing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/decoy8.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/1031426238.jpg

This decoy is on a track.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/1028380282.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/german%20deception/Berlin.jpg


This is what the caption to this image reads.

CAMOUFLAGE TRIBUTE TO THE RAF.
In and around Berlin camouflage against air attack was carried to extremes. By lavish use of netting an attempt was made to disguise big building blocks so that roads appeared to across them. The pavement of the great east-west traffic artery was hidden by netting on poles, from which the tops of spruce 'trees' prodruded; the Victory Column in Grosser Stern, a square on the same thouroghfare, was painted grey and its base concealed by a timber structure. On the lake in the Lietzensee park the Germans erected a suburban landscape, with grassy lawns and red rooftops supported on posts.

jensenpark
10-09-2005, 10:06 AM
great find Waldo! Love the Ju 88 "bomber"

Thanks for posting.

Got anymore?

p1ngu666
10-09-2005, 10:14 AM
the bomber that isnt ruse might work well, was not all bomber gunners would fire, that would give away there position...

worst case of wrong camo was the gestapo, who cleverly decided to camo there bulid, paint it green etc.

problem is, it was in the middle of a city http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
still probably be ok, as no one would bomb it cos of the civi causalties.

but then mossies went "you is wrong!" and bombed it from low level http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Aaron_GT
10-09-2005, 10:32 AM
One of the most amusing incidents (which may be a myth) was the dummy factory in the UK that a German bomber bombed with dummy bombs...

Pirschjaeger
10-09-2005, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
One of the most amusing incidents (which may be a myth) was the dummy factory in the UK that a German bomber bombed with dummy bombs...

I heard the same story but the other way around.

Fritz

p1ngu666
10-09-2005, 11:17 AM
there are several stories like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
10-09-2005, 12:30 PM
What a happy world if all bombs were dummies dropped on dummy targets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

WarWolfe_1
10-09-2005, 12:43 PM
I can think of a few dummies I'd like to drop from a plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

-HH-Dubbo
10-09-2005, 04:33 PM
Great stuff. I remember reading about a industrial area in California that was dressed as a suburb, complete with laundry on clothes lines that was moved daily and dummy vehicle that were also moved around.

I love the cows

Here's a link http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/the_disguise_of_california.htm

IL2-chuter
10-09-2005, 05:09 PM
The Ju88 was disguised to get the enemy on the ground to fire at the incoming bomber, giving their specific location away for a gunnery run (bombers usually go after more substantial targets than light or medium AAA).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
10-09-2005, 08:16 PM
still practiced today...


http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgAAAMsYjxZVSs*neF35Tx8!S1FkX5rJ2y6bEEZ3Un9pVlJJN zkm3LBSm8n6uK1I4OCfpumK93Fvbm250pc9wBm8rgBepGlY5Su SwylLmNA9xBdg3mooipuasGRzYCqy/CF-18basket.jpg?dc=4675542739942381448

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgCRAjUaXYtVSs*neF35T0RVa2tYeyiy8sj8QG6nCX7oFw!Oc jbGU5h!Zqg42MlFm5J2HPrcS3yWdsHdZGmORJzY1XrnSLfWgGQ u0Umw1IUV0yK8RJd7vekZewX3J9ce/CF-18break-away.jpg?dc=4675542740074507368

wayno7777
10-09-2005, 09:18 PM
Also of how fires were started at night to draw the pathfinders off course....

p1ngu666
10-09-2005, 09:24 PM
amusin thing about that on daii, is they have it white to blend in with the sky, but then they go and paint a dark splodge on it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
10-09-2005, 09:36 PM
the "grey ghost" type paint is supposed to be a compromise, for blending in with sky, or sea, or winter terrain

at least for DF'in, the false canopy may momentarily mislead opponent as to attitude...could make all the diff in the world
"how the hell can he sustain that kind of neg G?" haha



@wayno~germans actually tried to duplicate PF flares, too...most crews could differentiate them though...diff intensities, hues, etc

ironically enuff, the best way to avoid the tgt getting hit soundly, was to mark it clearly, lol
attackers either thought it a decoy, or, more often than not, would be the common event of bombers dropping loads too early, resulting in the loads falling "backwards" away from tgt in increasing distance

the sharp PF's would drop flares off tgt, to the far side of it, resulting in the "backwards" creep actually getting on tgt, lol

Waldo.Pepper
10-10-2005, 12:38 AM
germans actually tried to duplicate PF flares, too...most crews could differentiate them though...diff intensities, hues, etc


Some fascinating details about German countermeasures to H2s and marking, are available here:

Note the Scheinsignalrakete

http://www.gyges.dk/Further%20German%20counter%20measures.htm