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.BulletTooth.
04-19-2004, 11:32 AM
What are your thoughts on the use of such "real-world" items as the Sony Ericsson phone/PDA used by Sam Fisher in Pandora Tomorrow?


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.BulletTooth.
04-19-2004, 11:32 AM
What are your thoughts on the use of such "real-world" items as the Sony Ericsson phone/PDA used by Sam Fisher in Pandora Tomorrow?


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EsP_OzZie
04-19-2004, 11:33 AM
I like them .. lot better than the original http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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DaRizat
04-19-2004, 11:34 AM
Its annoying, but it isnt that big of a deal. Its like in THPS3, ON Gamecube they bleep out the lyrics "Playstation 2" from the Redman track Lets Get Dirty. Little corporate things are all over the place. Like when they say on Law and Order "why dont you do a google search on that and see what you get" Like cops use google. Sure. I guess its just the new form of advertising, you just have to live with it.

XanthViper
04-19-2004, 11:41 AM
It's good stuff!

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angryvii
04-19-2004, 11:46 AM
The phone: Done properly, there should have been a website link or drop in flyer in the game box promoting the phone more. I don't think anyone really cares one way or another which brand or model it is in game; it doesn't REALLY create a hightened sense of reality, gameplay and graphics do - not product placement. Is the multiplayer less realistic because the vending machines aren't branded the way they were in the first Splinter Cell (i.e. SOBE energy drinks).

Marketing Marketing Marketing. I'm surprised there aren't streaming banners of advertisements in the lobby while waiting for a multiplayer game to start up. Think about all those lost impressions...

Son_of_SamF
04-19-2004, 11:48 AM
Casual gamers care about one thing... graphics/animation...

most gamers to hardcore gamers care about: Gameplay, depth, and enemy AI being believable and smart...

As far as the Sony PDA, honestly I didn't care I thought it was an interesting touch, is all. Who cared about the PDA while sniping from grass and jungle in Indonesia?

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Rexen_
04-19-2004, 12:19 PM
I think it made the game less realistic. (NSA would use their own brand.)


The worst thing was that it smelled far as a serious UBI-sellout.
Come on, like on the cellphone with Soth`s picture on. Too obvious sales-trick for the Sony Ericson T610. And over the top, with the "nice picture" comment. Seemed like a cellphone commercial.

In my view, UBI lost much of their integrity with that.

Suhadi_Sadona
04-19-2004, 12:36 PM
its just one of the first steps in companies starting to advertise on video games, as someone else already suggested....online gaming might one day be effected as a result.

just imagine, soon theyll have streaming coca-cola adds or a McDonalds insignia on the dashboard and every lobby u enter. (and who knows...maybe even pop-ups)

i hope they dont take it any further, and respect the sacred add-free atmosphere that games provide. sure,puting a small phone or companies name somewhere inside a game is fine...and even kinda cool (i.e powerade in enter the matrix), but if its not handled/limited now, companies might very well make online gaming as much as a pain, as surfing the web and cable and constantly being bombarded w/ adds.

but thats just my opinion.

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jawmaster3000
04-19-2004, 01:08 PM
could you help us out on a patch date??

do you have any idea of when it might be released.

we are very anxious for it


thanks

Sunwoo22
04-19-2004, 01:17 PM
I think the in game marketing is an okay touch, but it seems like you guys might have overdone it a bit. I think people might appreciate a more subtle approach on when and where to flash the commercials. It's a delicate situation where you want to try to maximize marketing revenues, but try to aviod the sell-out label. I'd say that in this game the product placement seemed a bit obvious and for me that gets fairly annoying. If the situation truly calls for a particular product, then by all means use it. Rexen had a great point with the NSA using their own brands.

jk2hax
04-19-2004, 01:22 PM
I personally like the adds in the game. It gives the game more of a realistic feel rather than just some made up story. The Palm and Sony Ericcson PDA's used were a great idea to use for a way that the agrent communicate. And inside the CIA level in the first SC, I thought it was genius to see a Sobe vending machine, rather than the other machines in which name they made up.

It might actaully be cool in future games to see more adds. Like if you are in LA, you might see a McDonald's along the street, and that would make you feel like you are actually in LA.

In the future, keep the adds, and even add more.

CanadianKnight
04-19-2004, 01:48 PM
Makes it feel more real-world to me.

(I love how people think ads and/or product-placement is "selling out" Ubi is in BUSINESS folks...that means making money.) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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KANDLER
04-19-2004, 02:01 PM
Ubisoft is in the business of making respectable video games, and only that. product placement is just a sad reality, especially in the U.S.

i wouldnt call it "selling out" as its almost a social thing(u really cant blame anyone but company executives and ad placement orgs). if we didnt like the fact that ads are springing up everywhere, even in the most private of places.. society as a whole would stop it.

and theres a huge debate goin on over it (pop-up ads and SPAM).
if people just let it go (and ignore it), then its only going to get worse. societal norms will adapt to view invasive ad placement as something which is O.K


i know i dont need that

(i say if a company wants to get involved w/ a certain game...let them, but make them give something back to the gamers who have to view their BS. like random drawings or contests for their products. and if deals like this were ever struck, limited use of advertising in the game would be best. dont just let them go crazy.)

Claws_The_One
04-19-2004, 02:04 PM
Product placement is very lame.

Gamma-3d
04-19-2004, 02:29 PM
Personally, I dont care if 'ads' were in this game (ie. Mcdonald & Sony). It's a lot more realistic this way around unless if they started giving me free/discount coupon on a Big Mac!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think it made the game less realistic. (NSA would use their own brand.)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wth!? game was less realistic with a real world cellphone? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Hmmm, i didnt know NSA have time to manifacture their own cellphones instead of just modifying OEM products. That said i hope someday someone will sell some of NSA's product at EBAY - im really looking forward to buy a P900 with an NSA logo instead of Sony! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

Desert Hawk
04-19-2004, 02:32 PM
I dont mind about the games having sony ericsson phones and real world companies in them etcetera, as long as they dont go overboard with it, and dont advertise, because that turns the game into a marketing campaign instead of something to be played and enjoyed .

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Wakkk0
04-19-2004, 04:09 PM
when it is overdone it looks tacky, instead of the sony phone been thrown in front if the screen it would be lot better is sam said

"sony eh, nice"

or sumit liek that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

Malf
04-19-2004, 04:10 PM
I don't like advertising in games, full stop.
It's just the tip of the iceberg.
If advertising like this continues, how long is it before the company doing the advertising gets some control over the game's content?
I pay a LOT of money for games, but I don't see any discounts in price for games that contain this advertising.
You want to send me your message, send it to me for free. Don't make me pay for the privilege of having your product shoved under my nose.

GodIsKAH
04-19-2004, 04:50 PM
I just thought "I wonder how Sony payed for this!" when seeing the Sony-Ericsson logo on the OPSAT, cellphones in the game and the Sony flatscreen leaflet in the box. In a way it does make the game feel a bit more real, but it's also a sort of unconscious advertising technique that I don't like very much. Anyway, you might have wanted to start by giving the more important things, such as the weapons, real names, instead of worrying about cellphones... And since they were paying you for it, you could at least have created two textures for the cellphone (if you use the bino's on Sadono during his PT calls, you'll see Soth's picture on his phone...).

drumzrule
04-19-2004, 06:39 PM
There was only one thing that stood out like a sore thumb in the game to me: the Ubisoft coffee cup. That was just ridiculous. I don't mind seeing objects that are already in the game with brand names added to them. What I do mind are objects added to the game for the purpose of advertising. Not only is the coffee cup added solely for an Ubisoft advertisement, Ubisoft is the publisher of the game! Why advertise to your own customers? Like I said, nothing else stood out to me as advertising, except for the coffee cup. I immediately noticed the Ubisoft logo and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

rob444_
04-19-2004, 06:41 PM
Well if it will help my stocks I got in Ericsson, sure I like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Wolfrat14
04-19-2004, 08:50 PM
I hate to see product placement. Viewing real-world branded products and logos in films and video games interrupts the suspension of disbelief, which is an integral part of the film and videogame experience.
Product placements make video games less enjoyable, less rebellious, and less interesting. In the film industry, dialogue and even entire scenes have been written into films simply to promote a branded product. Each time this product placement advertising infiltrates a film or game script art suffers. Creativity suffers. The designers in Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow did not get to design a cool new phone, they got handed a catalog picture from a corporation. What might the designers have created? What would a cell phone look like in the futuristic world of Sam Fisher? That opportunity for creativity has been lost to an advertisement.
Please keep product placement out of videogames. Obviously my $10 for a movie isn't enough to keep branded products out of my film scripts. Isn't $50 enough to keep them out of my games?

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Medicdad04
04-20-2004, 01:25 AM
Just imagine having to buy a happy meal in the future to get health power-ups.. lol

RepXt
04-20-2004, 05:32 AM
I feel that in the age of gaming we are now advertising is inevitable, it's become a lot about 'cinematics' and 'realism' as much as gameplay itself ...BTW just about every footy game out there has got tonnes of advertising on the sideboards and what not.

what would project PGR2 be without the 'real' car (advert - indirect maybe) names and design ? lets face it, in some cases it's a big plus ...in any case it's here to stay.

there was a time when gaming was associated with being dysfuncional, rebelious, geeky but now they're soooo cool and with so much prestige they even have bafta's ...whadya expect?

TehPunisher
04-20-2004, 06:21 AM
The Sony phone didn't disturb me as much as the Ubisoft mug close-up and EXTREME closeup of the ubisoft logo on the mug. That was just SHAMELESS self promotion.

NSAagent
04-20-2004, 09:24 AM
Product placement finds it's way into the gaming world....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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eye_R_andy
04-20-2004, 10:37 AM
I understand the majority of the talk is about what product placement could turn into, but the cell phone and any other small items dont really matter, at all what so ever. If a company wants to spend money on such a blunt and unsuspecting advertisement, more power to them. Once ads become more front forward, commercial promotion, I'll be the first to stop buying them, but this issue is so patheticly small.

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Dashzap
04-20-2004, 01:57 PM
Imagine when Sam was on a mission and his cell phone suddenly rings:

- Hi Sam! It's your mommy calling! Your apple-pie is ready!

Sam - But ma', I'm in Indonesia and killing terrorists right now!

Mom - I save it up for you when you come home then, baby!

Sam - Sure mom, say hello to daddy from me!

Mom - Allright hon, take care! Bye bye now!

Sam - Bye

*click*

Hmm, probably wouldn't happen but you get my point? Sam should not have an everyday cell-phone but, as someone already said, a more hight-tech phone, and a little more cooler looking.

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BAM1942
04-20-2004, 02:01 PM
i think its good and realistic and my dad also works on Ericsson http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Styphon57
04-21-2004, 03:56 AM
While I'm usually against extra marketing in movies and games, in the case of splinter cell, I think it's done tastefully and in such a way as to add to the realism.

spunkjello
04-21-2004, 09:03 AM
Wolfrat has hit the nail on the head, and this is just the begining folks. Not just Ubi.
Remember when you did not have to pay to be held captive through 15 minutes of commercials before a theatre starts the feature. Video games and online gaming are the next logical step in the progression for multi-billion dollar corporations like Mc Donalds, Coca-cola, and Sony to bombard us into submission with unadulterated commercialism. Soon loading screens will be replaced with ads for Debt Consolidation and Domino's Pizza, and Xbox will be known as "Bank of America Presents Microsoft Xbox". It's not too prevalent now (in games), but just give them time to catch on. We are a prime demographic, and there is nothing we can do about that but accept it. I'll end it here.
Ubi, you won't ever hear me go on about release dates, patches, and when the new maps will be completed, just don't let the product placement get out of hand. I don't need to see a $ony logo to make a game more believable, just good graphics, innovative gameplay, and intelligent AI are enough for me. I would go as far as to say I would even pay more for a game stripped of ad placement (if it comes to that), if it is a monetary issue. And the whole Ubi mug thing, who cares, I thought it was funny, but not product placement. Unless you consider the Coca-Cola logo on a can of Coke product placemnet. I'm sure that is the least of our worries.
THE END

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04-21-2004, 09:04 AM
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zoethout
04-21-2004, 10:46 AM
hi all out there
i'm new so dont flame lol
as to advertising .....
advertising makes the whole world corrupt hehe
someone here said it's just the "tip of the iceberg"
and i agree with that
it'll go from this relatively bad to absolutely worse
this way advertising sneaks into the game
and still we pay the full price
besides games are not the real world
and therefore should stay in the realms of phantasy
my 2 cents

KANDLER
04-21-2004, 11:18 AM
zoe-

all good points

Nunster2
04-21-2004, 11:47 AM
I think the product placement is A-OK, like the Splinter Cell 1 use of Palm. Anything the game company needs to do to pay for great talent is fine by me. It makes the game more realistic unlike the "Kola Cell" vending machines in SC:PT. If there were Pepsi or Coke machines, it would be more real world as this game is supposed to be in. Some games should not have real world ads, such as a fantasy game or space game like Star Wars. However, Splinter Cell is perfect for this.
The only stipulation to the use of Ads is that they don't use audio or video, they don't make you "watch" an ad, and it doesn't detract or cause any performance problems in the game.

zoethout
04-21-2004, 12:13 PM
some games are not suited to carry present-day ads lol
thats obvious
still a game, well any game for that matter, is not the real world
thin as it may be sometimes, there should be a line between reality and fiction
people will get confused and even go completely nuts if they cant make this distinction
i know its not in the interest of commercial enterprises to help people stay sane (i wonder why lol)
it looks cool, all those recognizable gadgets, but i dont think it adds to the excitement and gameplay
so i can do without any ads
both in games and in real life hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

B.O.N.E.S
04-21-2004, 08:07 PM
Product placement can add a sense of realism or familiarity with an in game environment, but it must be very subtle.

If an item is required in a game (like a cellular telephone), having an identifiable, real world version of the item can add realism to the gaming experience. If a character refers to an item by its make and/or model ("Glad I have my Sony Ericsson P900 with me!" instead of "Glad I have my cell phone/pda with me!") it immediately comes across as advertising and instantly pulls the user out of their immersion in the gaming experience.

That being said, I prefer fictitious yet plausible high tech gadgets in a spy game. I think the developers miss out on one of the most memorable creative opportunities in designing a game like Splinter Cell by using a real world device instead of inventing their own.

A related issue is in game advertising (Posters, bill boards, etc.). I find real world ads distracting in games, usually because they are repetitious. Again, developers are missing a creative opportunity by not adding their own flavour to the gaming world by creating their own ads.


Cheers... B.O.N.E.S

rossbyrd
04-21-2004, 08:17 PM
The real-world product representation isn't that important, but it makes the game seem like it could be real, that the universe of Splinter Cell isn't so fictional. I was impressed how Pandora Tomorrow's plot mirrored many world events happening today.

bleedingpassion
04-22-2004, 07:34 AM
uh...the government doesn't really need funding from sony...
but ubi does, so it's ok with me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Mr.Coke2
04-22-2004, 01:10 PM
the games great it just needs more mpas and it would really help if we head map editor and support for mods

Marius24
04-22-2004, 04:56 PM
i like it, it made me go and buy the p900 lol

ssvegeta23g
04-22-2004, 06:31 PM
I don't really care either way, but I don't think a secret agency would use a friggin Sony Ericson they would probably their own communication equipment, next time Ubisoft should put alot more time testing the Xbox Live programming as the ranking bugs giving people negative points when they've done nothing wrong, maybe you could tell us if Ubisoft is aware of these issues and if they are being worked on? Sorry for going a little off-topic there.

HideNPeek
04-23-2004, 09:03 AM
The Ubishoft Coffee cup = bad... Sam saying "Nice Picture"... bad!!!

thats not sams style

Darth_Soz
04-23-2004, 01:19 PM
I have no problem with product advertising, but there is one thing that doesn't really fit into the picture.

Games by Tom Clany take place in the near future, often 2-3 years from the current date. The SonyEricsson T630 that was used by Francis to snap a picture of Soth is a phone that's been on tha market a short while.

One of my friends has a T630 (I have a T610). The feeling that I got whem I saw the phon in the game was "the story of the game is taking place right now, Sam Fisher is in Paris, holding that phone, right now" and not 2-3 years from (right) now.

Sure, Francis could still be using a T630 2-3 years from current date, but that's not the feeling I got from the game. So, basically, the purpose of games from Tom Clancy is to get the feeling that events you play can take place tomorrow (more accurately, 2-3 years from now) and not that the events are taking place right now, wich is the feeling that I had.

Still, nice game, even tough I prefer the first one.

Darth_Soz
04-23-2004, 01:20 PM
Ooops, sorry for the bad spelling, I'm a little bit tired. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Krister87
04-24-2004, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rexen_:
I think it made the game less realistic. (NSA would use their own brand.)


The worst thing was that it smelled far as a serious UBI-sellout.
Come on, like on the cellphone with Soth`s picture on. Too obvious sales-trick for the Sony Ericson T610. And over the top, with the "nice picture" comment. Seemed like a cellphone commercial.

In my view, UBI lost much of their integrity with that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the cell phone is a T630, not a T610. But that's not a very big deal.
Actually, I think it's cool with the eriksson-phones and the eriksson OPSAT (?), also the Windows-program on the PC and the portable computer in the intro. As said before, it makes the game more realistic.

ShadownetSpy088
04-24-2004, 09:56 PM
just marketing making the cash.......i have no problem with it

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jmagness
04-25-2004, 09:18 AM
"Product Placement" in games was inevitable, and at least they're getting it somewhat close to home (Does Sony/Erickson even make any PDAs?. I know Sony has the "Clie" line, but they're totally seperate from "Sony/Erikson").
When you start seeing "Piet Depsi", or "Kiet Doke"* in games, then I'll endorse "product placement" in Games.



*note: these are Honest to God, Real-Life, (tenetive) Products, as mentioned in books by Ted L. Nancy

linger22
04-25-2004, 02:33 PM
Im Having A delima here Both the single player & the multiplayer kick oh so much sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ***. I wish I could play both at the same time. All i cansay is wow Sam&the clone spys are gameing gods the mercs sucks Ps Im getting a little board of some online levels please create a new level i can download u know line the warehouse butt even more kick *** thanks Ubi soft

Amn-VR.
04-26-2004, 12:46 PM
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SAW_AlleyViper
04-26-2004, 09:58 PM
The PDA was useless. I knew my mission. The datasticks rarly had anything of importance. Well...I noticed it said Sony at the top, and I said to myself "WTF". If there was any point to it all it flew way over my head..

Raven236
04-27-2004, 09:37 PM
I Think its Cool makes the game feel more real/
But why SOny Ericsson?

Chris_Mc
04-29-2004, 06:16 AM
I think the phone with the photo of soth was fine, but why would the "new dawn of intelligence gathering techniques" (SCPT Manual) include sending unencrypted information over the not-quite-secure-enough-for-the-NSA-gsm network in Indonesia? Using a consumer cell phone? Wouldn't a consumer gsm handset allow him to be traced by triangulating the signal?

What does SC3 hold in store for us? Zooming in on Sam's stealth suit's Nike symbol? Maybe instead of his goggles, he will use a Sony digital camera with night vision, and send Lambert intel using voice chat in SOCOM2 using Playstation online.

I agree that advertising should be passed on to us. America's Army is a giant Army ad, and it's free... Maybe Sony Cell 3 will be free too.

BTW if sony paid so much for all that advertising ****, why is the PS2 version so far behind xbox and pc?

Poor microsoft keep getting shafted by Ubi (lol) - SC1 had a Palm PDA, not a Windows Mobile Pocket PC. SC2 has Sony everywhere even though XBOX got the release jump.

BTW, I'm still angry that it took Ubi a week to send me my cd key - the Australian version didn't ship with one, and never returned my phone calls.

SCPT is a brilliant game, but after paying $90AUS for it, I don't deserve to have ads thrust upon me as well.

Chris_Mc
04-29-2004, 06:16 AM
I think the phone with the photo of soth was fine, but why would the "new dawn of intelligence gathering techniques" (SCPT Manual) include sending unencrypted information over the not-quite-secure-enough-for-the-NSA-gsm network in Indonesia? Using a consumer cell phone? Wouldn't a consumer gsm handset allow him to be traced by triangulating the signal?

What does SC3 hold in store for us? Zooming in on Sam's stealth suit's Nike symbol? Maybe instead of his goggles, he will use a Sony digital camera with night vision, and send Lambert intel using voice chat in SOCOM2 using Playstation online.

I agree that advertising should be passed on to us. America's Army is a giant Army ad, and it's free... Maybe Sony Cell 3 will be free too.

BTW if sony paid so much for all that advertising ****, why is the PS2 version so far behind xbox and pc?

Poor microsoft keep getting shafted by Ubi (lol) - SC1 had a Palm PDA, not a Windows Mobile Pocket PC. SC2 has Sony everywhere even though XBOX got the release jump.

BTW, I'm still angry that it took Ubi a week to send me my cd key - the Australian version didn't ship with one, and never returned my phone calls.

SCPT is a brilliant game, but after paying $90AUS for it, I don't deserve to have ads thrust upon me as well.

l3lack_Jesus
04-30-2004, 04:17 AM
Everything in moderation. I can appreciate the real world brands and items, just dont shove them in my face.
Also dont script a part of the game to showcase some product, just use it as the character/consumer normally would.

sgtstingray
04-30-2004, 10:42 AM
I like them my phone is a sony eircason

tflyer
04-30-2004, 07:02 PM
I don't like watching TV because of comercials Or the radio with all the advertisement. I hope the marketing does not get it's grubby hands into gamming. I love the graphics the realism and the rush that is what sells games not some fancy namebrand.

"Thats all I have to say about that"

Samfisher9022
05-01-2004, 10:59 PM
Why is a cell phone a multimillion dollar PDA i dont get it mabye its just me. ITS LAME! sorry ubi but bad choice but you could make all the advertisments you wanted if you came out with some new online maps sOON!

Its not that big of deal but it's just a little wierd thats all.

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Chamillionaire_
05-02-2004, 11:01 PM
i really dont like having product placement in games because they really dont make the game any cheaper, they'll still sell it for $50. the same for dvds. i really hate it when u watch a dvd, like spider-man, and all of a sudden u see a huge coke can right on your screen or the ubisoft cup. and, to me, it doesn't make the game any more realistic because they SHOVE it in your face instead of acting casual with it. like the cans, bottles, and the cars in the garage, u never know what brand they are so they never bring a lot of attention to it, they're just Cans and Cars...just like it should be a regular old cellphone instead of the Sony T-1000 cell phone or something else.

http://www.chamillionaire.com/images/banners/070.jpg

Darth_Soz
05-03-2004, 02:50 PM
I have to say that Chamillionaire_ has a good point there; product placement doesn't make the game(s) any cheaper! It only filles the already fat pockets of Ubisoft employees and if it continues I'll switch to only buying the "Classics" versions of their games, shrinking their walletsize. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Darth_Soz
05-03-2004, 02:54 PM
In an ironic attempt from my side I can give Ubisoft a GREAT IDEA FOR PRODUCT PLACEMENT!!!!

The folks at www.nightowloptics.com (http://www.nightowloptics.com) sell/produce nightvisiongoggles (although without thermalvision) and have a characteristic little owl as their logotype. Why not slap one on Sams goggles for the ultimate income! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

tourniquet85UK
05-04-2004, 09:10 AM
ubi consentrate on gameplay graphics and AI and then product placement!

Shadownet001
05-05-2004, 09:15 AM
I am not sure if this reasoning has been posted, due to the fact that I do not have the time to read through 4 pages of threads.

However, product placement can be a good thing if it adds realism to the game. (i.e. the "PALM" OPSAT in SC1) With that being said, the fact that Sam had to use a Sony Cellphone when in the first SC Grim tells Sam that his OPSAT is a million dollar piece of eqiupment payed by the taxpayers makes me want to ask the question "Why in the world can't the OPSAT handle data cards?!?!?!"

One reason...they had to make that small portion of the game revolve around product placement which in turn changes the feeling of the game. Sure its a little cellphone now but how about the next SC? Like someone mention will there be ads everywhere? It is indeed a slippery slope.

However, I honestly do not think that this thread is worth it. Our opinions are low on the totem poll when compared to increased revenues.

I enjoyed the first SC so much due to its low key atmosphere and innovation...I guess we had better cherish it because it looks like whether we like it or not, Product Placement that pretty much makes advertisments throughout the game (i.e Ingrid - "nice PDA etc.etc.) and changes the atmoshphere is here to stay

Shadownet001

XBOX_PLAYBOY
05-07-2004, 02:03 PM
It was a plus to see. I thought it was a paid add like in TV or a movie.

I don't have a problem with it eitherway. I don't mind if SONY pays for the new DLC that should be out sooner than later! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

thefez1
05-09-2004, 04:05 PM
I don't mind it a bit as long as it's not a full on commercial. Name brands are a part of reality.

One other thing to keep in mind is that promotion of a single product or brand throughout the game does take away from the reality a little. I would suggest more of an all or nothing approach if at all possible (either brand everything in the game or don't brand anything).

That being said, if a little product placement provides the funding to make this or future games better or allows developers to take a few more risks then I'm all for it.

ghostshadow816
05-09-2004, 05:55 PM
About NSA making their own brand, wouldn't it be easier to have a custom-version of existing phones/PDAs?

grafix2005
05-09-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> By Rexen_


posted Mon April 19 2004 11:19 AM
I think it made the game less realistic. (NSA would use their own brand.)


The worst thing was that it smelled far as a serious UBI-sellout.
Come on, like on the cellphone with Soth`s picture on. Too obvious sales-trick for the Sony Ericson T610. And over the top, with the "nice picture" comment. Seemed like a cellphone commercial.

In my view, UBI lost much of their integrity with that

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow, he just smashed that nail right on the head and striaght down to china! I feel that seeing that "Sony Ericsson" stuff totally made it unrealistic. It was literally laughable. Yes, you're a business and you have to make money in order to keep making great games, but just don't do dumb stuff like that. You can get money from making games, not putting products in them. The ubisoft logo and the prince of persia ads didnt bother me, it was your own product, I have no beef.

grafix2005
05-10-2004, 06:38 PM
Oh, also the point system is really dumb. It needs to be changed. If you lose a game, you lose tons of points. Its just dumb. I think you should only lose points if you do something stupid like kill a team mate. IMO

AR15AK47
05-14-2004, 02:08 PM
As long as it doesn't interfere with the game. The soda machines and computers etc. But lots of posters and streaming ads would cause me to trade the game in right away. I did like the comment made to Sam in PT about saving up for the color model.

Just remember, its only a game...

rikakiah
05-15-2004, 11:50 PM
Actually, the NSA probably wouldn't just "make their own brand". Recreating resources that already exist and work quite effectively outside the NSA would simply take time (YEARS when you include research and development) and resources. Why reinvent the wheel? This is actually the hole the NSA has gotten themselves into pre-9/11, when the only threat they had to deal with was a technologically deficient USSR. They are now outsourcing for components and tools much more in a desparate effort to catch back up to the technological advancement of current terror threats.

CGA-FourSure
05-21-2004, 11:08 AM
Yep, I thought the coffee cup was a cheap gimmick, but I'm guessing it was just a tongue-in-cheek thing, not a serious brand promotion. That said though they shouldn't have put it in as it destroyed some of the game's atmosphere - SC isn't exactly a realistic world, but at least the things you see are consistent (e.g news channel etc) or at least they were for me until the coffee cup appeared.

Having said that I thought the rest of the product placement was fine. I thought the Palm endorsement in the first game was a good idea and the Sony Ericsson brand in the second seemed to fit with the game's development and greater maturity since the first. Maybe SC is growing up but I definitely got a sense of controlling a character who was as much in the dark mentally about why he had to do things as he was physically.