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BrewsterPilot
07-05-2007, 08:59 AM
Ok, quick questions.
Both XP and Vista 32-bit editions will only support 4GB RAM, correct?
But the 64-bit editions will support far more? XP Professional 64-bit, will that one support, say 8GB of RAM? What about Vista Ultimate 64-bit?

I'm using the Acer Aspire E700-UQ660A Minitower, with default hardware.
In short, that's :
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz with Viiv Technlology
System Chipset: Intel G965 Express
RAM: 2GB
HD: 500GB
Graphics Card: Ati Radeon X1650
OS: Vista Home Premium

Would the hardware allow more than 4GB of RAM to be installed?
Would it help at all, having "only" a 2.4GHz processor?
Will a 64-bit OS work on this computer?

To summarize, what I'd like to do is:

1. Add more RAM, at least to 4GB but if hardware & OS allow, maybe more for BoB (8GB maybe? :-)

2. Switch back to XP, I don't like Vista to be honest. If XP Professional 64-bit supports >4GB of RAM, and the hardware also would, that'd be the best thing.

Sorry for the quick post, but I'm on a library computer as my new internet connection hasn't "arrived" yet.

If you need some more info, I'll try to reply later today or early tomorrow USA time.


Thanks a million in beforehand to anyone taking the challenge to decode the above gibberish!!!

Best Regards,
BP

PF_Coastie
07-05-2007, 10:08 AM
You really do not need 4gb of ram unless you are doing CAD or really intensive 3D graphics. Your 2gb is plenty for gaming.

Switching back to XP is your best option IMO.

Also, if you want better game performance, you need to upgrade your video card. That video card is the weakest link in your system.....by far.

B16Enk
07-05-2007, 12:23 PM
Wot Coastie said.

I would also add stick with 32 bit too, it only has benefit when you want to use >4Gb RAM and driver support is very patchy for XP 64.

Money that would otherwise be spent on OS and additional RAM will give greater benefit when used to upgrade GPU.

foxyboy1964
07-05-2007, 12:28 PM
Like Coastie said, go back to XP.

Just one minor point, XP 32bit doesn't really support 4Gb RAM. You can install 4Gb, but XP will only "see" 3.25 Gb (or there abouts). So, again like Coastie said, you'd be better off spending your money on a graphics card. Personally I think your rig sounds quite good as it is. But then again, I'm famous for my reluctance to part with cash.

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-05-2007, 12:31 PM
You can do 4gigs on either of the 64bit os's, xp or vista. The question remains, why? Like coastie said there is not much advantage to more than 2gigs unless you are doing CAD or high end computer animation or such. 8Gigs would be rediculus at this point in time, maybe a few years down the road, but not anytime soon.

BrewsterPilot
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
OK, thanks for the replies!
Why I'm wondering about the extreme amounts of RAM is because I'll be using this computer for at least four to five years, and I'm quite sure that 8GB of RAM won't be quite as extreme then as it is now. I'm merely planning the best way to keep the computer so up-to-date as possible.

So, what I've been planning reading your replies is;

1. New Power Supply, 300W won't do upgrades IMO... How strong d'ya reckon would be needed? 430W maybe? I could get a trustable-brand 430W damn cheap... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
2. New graphics card, NEED SUGGESTIONS! Budget around $250, it has to be as good as possible for the money. Gonna have it a looong time... (PCI-E x16)
3. Get 1-2 x 1GB RAM sticks.
4. Switch back to XP. (Home Edition 32-bit)

Anything I've forgotten? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Thanks to you all for replying! I really appreciate it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

BrewsterPilot

foxyboy1964
07-05-2007, 03:18 PM
When choosing a Power Supply (PSU) the most important thing for a gamer is the Amps on the 12 Volt rail. The 430W PSU you are looking at may well be cheap because it doesn't measure up in the Amps department. For a PCI-E card you should be looking for something with 30/35 Amps at least.

I have a 470W PC Power and Cooling PSU which has 26 Amps @ 12 V rail. When I move to PCI-E I will also upgrade my PSU. Dont let the Wattage fool you.

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-05-2007, 04:40 PM
If you are looking to make this last a long time go ahead and get the PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad Crossfire, it's an excellent psu with all the connectors you would need for a good long time (I say the crossfire edition cause it has two 8pin pci-e connectors). I'm planning on getting 4gigs and vista 64bit when I build my new machine for the exact reason of futureproofing, just be aware that in the meantime it will be pure e-***** and not usefull at all. In fact the headaches of 64bit would lead me not to recommend it to anyone who's not a supergeek and loves that kind of trouble, lol.

BrewsterPilot
07-06-2007, 10:55 AM
This vid card OK?
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=100-437808-DT&cat=VCD

Any other suggestions?

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-06-2007, 11:05 AM
Yikes, for that price you can get a much better card, try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130086

or for a little more this would be really good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082

BrewsterPilot
07-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Ouch! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif $280! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Seriously, this is going to be a long-term investment, so $280 isn't completely out of bounds. But almost...
What more would the 8800 offer worth $80 that the 8600 doesn't have? Unless there's a damned good reason not to, I'm going with the 8600. (I promised myself to stay under $250...) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Is there any cheaper PSU than the PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad Crossfire? Something that would fit my need but for a bit less perhaps...? My wallet is bleeding just thinking of it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

D'ya think it's possible to get both a PSU and 2gb (2x1gb) of (DDR2-SDRAM) RAM for $200 or MAX $250?


Thanks again for all replies!!!
Hopefully I'll get my i-net tonight so I won't have to go to the library all the time.

-BP

FoolTrottel
07-06-2007, 01:14 PM
What more would the 8800 offer worth $80 that the 8600 doesn't have?
More Power!

When I got me a Core2 Duo E6600, I was suggested the 8600, but after some researching, I choose the 8800GTS.

More power, better balance to the E6600... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-06-2007, 02:11 PM
The 8600 is considered mid to low range while the 8800gts is actually closer to the high end. The 8800gts will last much longer than the 8600gts, I think the price difference is actually far less than the performance difference. As for psu, I suggested that one for longevity purposes, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163109 is the one I'm currently using and it is excellent. You may need to get adaptors for 8pin pci-e if you upgrade video in a few years. Anything from OCZ, PC P&C, and certain models of fortron and tagan should be good, just get the highest amps on the 12V you can find for your budget, and a single rail is better than multiple if you can find it.

bklynrickel
07-07-2007, 08:44 PM
brewster

i just need to know if the power supply on the acer e700 is upgradeable.

MaxMhz
07-07-2007, 10:59 PM
I would not plan a decade ahead when buying computers if I were you.
The assumptions you're making are build on quicksand IMHO. A lot of good advice was given already. Forget about building a system for BoB now.Wait till 2nd quarter of 2008. By that time minimum specs will probably be known. You'll probably want a 1000W PSU by that time to accomodate quad processors and SLI/Crossfire multiple GPU's all of which are power hungry. Prices will only fall too, so by waiting you'll save a lot of $$

-HH-Quazi
07-08-2007, 12:02 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Yep. I believe you are absolutely correct on this m8.

RAF_OldBuzzard
07-08-2007, 08:08 AM
Anyone saying that driver support for Xp x64 is poor obviously doesn't use it.

I've been using XP x64 for close to 2 years now, and with ONE exception have had absolutely no problems finding drivers. The only problem I had was with my Logitech mx700 mouse, which used Mouseware. Logitech never made a 64 bit version of that, and I ended up getting a new MX Revolution to replace it.

As for RAM, unless you exceed your OS's capacity, you can never have 'too much'. By adding more RAM, you reduce the amount of times that the system will use the pagefile. ANY time you start using the pagefile, the system will slow down. Right now I'm using 2 Gig of RAM, but if I had the $$$ I'd max out my MB's 8 Gigcapacity