Is there REALLY anyone who can say: "I allways got high fps" ?

[BiggestPig]

I have NEVER spent so much money in computer during one year, than this year. My current rig is below, but: I have had lockon allmost since it appeared, and played it a lot. Have tried mods and things to get more fps. For example in 3Dmark03 gives me 6100 points. But in lockon, medium-high settings give me average of 14 fps over city. It ain't playable, I think. And same time someone has 9800pro and 2400+ amd and he says :"lock works perfectly, allways fps +50 at higher settings". And I have read these "+50" things a LOT in here. So what I'm saying, I think people talk here somewhat "altered truth". Or is here really really someone with highest settings and even +25 fps EVERYWHERE????



AMD Athlon 64-bit 3000+
1 Gig DDR 3200
ATI 9800XT Cat 4.10
DX9.0c
X45

[BiggestPig]

I have NEVER spent so much money in computer during one year, than this year. My current rig is below, but: I have had lockon allmost since it appeared, and played it a lot. Have tried mods and things to get more fps. For example in 3Dmark03 gives me 6100 points. But in lockon, medium-high settings give me average of 14 fps over city. It ain't playable, I think. And same time someone has 9800pro and 2400+ amd and he says :"lock works perfectly, allways fps +50 at higher settings". And I have read these "+50" things a LOT in here. So what I'm saying, I think people talk here somewhat "altered truth". Or is here really really someone with highest settings and even +25 fps EVERYWHERE????



AMD Athlon 64-bit 3000+
1 Gig DDR 3200
ATI 9800XT Cat 4.10
DX9.0c
X45

[Cali_169th]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BiggestPig:
I have NEVER spent so much money in computer during one year, than this year. My current rig is below, but: I have had lockon allmost since it appeared, and played it a lot. Have tried mods and things to get more fps. For example in 3Dmark03 gives me 6100 points. But in lockon, medium-high settings give me average of 14 fps over city. It ain't playable, I think. And same time someone has 9800pro and 2400+ amd and he says :"lock works perfectly, allways fps +50 at higher settings". And I have read these "+50" things a LOT in here. So what I'm saying, I think people talk here somewhat "altered truth". Or is here really really someone with highest settings and even +25 fps EVERYWHERE????



AMD Athlon 64-bit 3000+
1 Gig DDR 3200
ATI 9800XT Cat 4.10
DX9.0c
X45 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

50+ but they play a low settings I bet. I have spent a ton of money also and still have lots of problems. You are not alone...

[SAM-Smasher]

I can certainley say I do, whether you choose to believe me or not, thats fine.

But I can say over a city frames dont drop below 28fps and the norm is about 50+ dependant on altitude, graphics high, not fully full though.

Graphics Card set to optimum graphics, full AA and AF

rig is:
SELF BUILD

Intel Pentium 4 - 2.8Ghz HT 800Mhz FSB 512kb cache
1024Mb 400MHz PC3200 Samsung RAM in Dual Channel
Radeon 9800XT 256Mb OEM 4.10 CAT
Seagate 40Gb 7200RPM (Master)
Fujitsu 20Gb 7200RPM (Slave)
DX 9.0c
Soundblaster Live! 5.1
Logitech Wingman Extreme Joystick
Windows XP SP1

On a side note Cali, what is it like playing LOMAC on a 22 inch screen? I bet that is real great!!!

[BiggestPig]

SAM-Smasher, we have pretty much same rig. So I don't get it. Mine 14 fps versus yours, 28 fps. It's twice as much. Something is really wrong with mine or you have some nice mods there. Don't know, strange game anyway.

Gotta do some research about graphic settings. Again.

And SAM-Smasher, if you've done 3DMark03 (patched), Really like to know your score http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



AMD Athlon 64-bit 3000+
1 Gig DDR 3200
ATI 9800XT Cat 4.10
DX9.0c
X45

[WhiskeyRomeo]

BP;
The variations between you and SAM-S could be explained by your system graphics settings, Lock On graphics settings, and mission choices.

For example;
You could be playing LockOn at 1600x1200 vs and SAM @ 1280x1024.
You may have Cockpit mirrors and Cockpit Reflections set on and SAM may have them off.
SAM maybe flying missions mostly in clear weather and low numbers of AI activity and you maybe flying in weather with larger numbers of AI planes and vehicles.

Depending on what choices you make LockOn can bring any system to its knees.
On the other hand I have to say I get results closer to his than yours. But then I dont insist on using the HIGH graphics options. With my usual MED settings, 1024x768 2AA/4AF I rarely drop below 20FPS flying low over cities unless I've selected a mission with overcast or other weather features.

[BiggestPig]

I know that. But:

Res 1280x1024
Reflection and mirrors off
Weather clear
No AI, No other vehicles, just me

All the mods and tweaks what I could find here

AA and AF "application decides" , so meaning those are OFF

Plane F-15, low flying over city(not small one, any big city). About 14 fps.


This is really getting interesting....


AMD Athlon 64-bit 3000+
1 Gig DDR 3200
ATI 9800XT Cat 4.10
DX9.0c
X45

[Cali_169th]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SAM-Smasher:
Intel Pentium 4 - 2.8Ghz HT 800Mhz FSB 512kb cache
1024Mb 400MHz PC3200 Samsung RAM in Dual Channel
Radeon 9800XT 256Mb OEM 4.10 CAT
Seagate 40Gb 7200RPM (Master)
Fujitsu 20Gb 7200RPM (Slave)
DX 9.0c
Soundblaster Live! 5.1
Logitech Wingman Extreme Joystick
Windows XP SP1

On a side note Cali, what is it like playing LOMAC on a 22 inch screen? I bet that is real great!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have a very good video card, I'm waiting on my X800pro. Hopefully it will be here saturday or next week for sure. My brother sent it to the wrong person that nucklehead! My monitor is a 22 inch but it is 20 inch viewable. It is very nice to have a biug screen to play on. I couldn't dream of playing on a 17" that would suck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. I have a spare 19" viewable anyone close to Alaska?

[SAM-Smasher]

In which case I dont get how my system could vary from yours BiggestPig, I did some messing about trying to make things run bad, DX sound accelaration screws it up big time, HT enabled causes stuttering, no mods makes it even worse, and actually the weirdest thing was lowering the settings on my G-card sent the fps down quite a bit, oh and turning the virus scanner back on... its not worth even loading LOMAC. ( DX Sound accelaration needs to be turned off, this is very important with fps ).

I have my card set to full whack and I dont use Cat control centre ( bad experiences and frayed tempers ).

Although I can set my res to the highest the difference in graphical quality is negligable, but due to some loss of fps its not worth the bother, so I play on 1280 x 1024 which is acceptable.

I have to admit though I had problems at the start and I have done some serious tweaking in LOMAN to find the best graphics with the best fps, which took some work, but its set to an optimum level with little or no impact on graphical quality ( back of the box jobby )

I am deeply puzzled by your problem BiggestPig, but im sure with your rig and especially with that G-card you should not have a problem, I think you need to do some serious tweaking and fiddling with LOMAN and pinpoint the bottleneck of the game which your rig is struggling with.

I hope what I have said has given you some ideas? hope you can get LOMAC running smooth soon, its a rough ride but truely its worth the bother in the end, im sure Cali would agree.

Oh and Cali, your really a lucky sod with that monitor, **** it im playing LOMAC on 17", but thats great compared to my old 15", perhaps it may be a wise investment me getting a bigger sized monitor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

Sorry if reply doesnt cover everything, but its 2:30am here in the UK and im knackerd, need some serious sleep...

ciao guys

[BiggestPig]

&gt;In which case I dont get how my system could vary from yours BiggestPig, I did some messing about trying to make things run bad, DX sound accelaration screws it up big &gt;time, HT enabled causes stuttering, no mods makes it even worse, and actually the weirdest thing was lowering the settings on my G-card sent the fps down quite a bit, oh &gt;and turning the virus scanner back on... its not worth even loading LOMAC. ( DX Sound accelaration needs to be turned off, this is very important with fps ).
&gt;

Got to go trough my settings and try and try again....

&gt;I have my card set to full whack and I dont use Cat control centre ( bad experiences and frayed tempers ).
&gt;

Switched to omega, based on cat 4.10. Will see.

&gt;Although I can set my res to the highest the difference in graphical quality is negligable, but due to some loss of fps its not worth the bother, so I play on 1280 x 1024 which &gt;is acceptable.
&gt;

Interesting observation: If I set res to 1024x768, my fps go down few points! I get better fps with 1280x1024. Strange, but true. So why use smaller res when bigger is faster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

&gt;I have to admit though I had problems at the start and I have done some serious tweaking in LOMAN to find the best graphics with the best fps, which took some work, but &gt;its set to an optimum level with little or no impact on graphical quality ( back of the box jobby )
&gt;
...

&gt;I am deeply puzzled by your problem BiggestPig, but im sure with your rig and especially with that G-card you should not have a problem, I think you need to do some &gt;serious tweaking and fiddling with LOMAN and pinpoint the bottleneck of the game which your rig is struggling with.
&gt;

Got some beer and whole night, will see what it looks like tomorrow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

&gt;I hope what I have said has given you some ideas? hope you can get LOMAC running smooth soon, its a rough ride but truely its worth the bother in the end, im sure Cali &gt;would agree.
&gt;

...

&gt;Oh and Cali, your really a lucky sod with that monitor, **** it im playing LOMAC on 17", but thats great compared to my old 15", perhaps it may be a wise investment me &gt;getting a bigger sized monitor .

Same here, 17". Probably the next purchase. But it takes time until it's sitting here in front of me....

[SAM-Smasher]

&gt;Although I can set my res to the highest the difference in graphical quality is negligable, <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but due to some loss of fps its not worth the so I play on 1280 x 1024 which &gt;is acceptable.
&gt;

Interesting observation: If I set res to 1024x768, my fps go down few points! I get better fps with 1280x1024. Strange, but true. So why use smaller res when bigger is faster <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes thats true if I also set to 1024x768 I get lower fps, I get an increase in fps with 1280x1024, but if I go to 1600x1200 the fps drops slightly, it seems for me 1280x1024 is the optimum for me, for the difference in quality the jump to 1600x1200 doesnt appeal much.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Got to go trough my settings and try and try again.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats LOMAC for you mate, it does take alot of messing around, but with some time im sure you will suceed, most importantly when you get those settings just right, write them down!!! and with each correct setting, you get a doggy biscuit in the form of a few fps increase.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Switched to omega, based on cat 4.10. Will see. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never tried Omega drivers, not sure with that one, only tried cat drivers without the fancy bits ( CCC &lt;--- GRRRRR ).

You have got the right idea, some beer and plenty of time, I hope it works out, good luck mate.

One more thing, dont test your rig flying ABOVE overcast, that really screws my computer up, even with the overcast mods from bobocop.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Terry

[SAM-Smasher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You could be playing LockOn at 1600x1200 vs and SAM @ 1280x1024.
You may have Cockpit mirrors and Cockpit Reflections set on and SAM may have them off.
SAM maybe flying missions mostly in clear weather and low numbers of AI activity and you maybe flying in weather with larger numbers of AI planes and vehicles. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right WR to the point of AI, I do play with large numbers of AI and weather ( just not above overcast ) admittedly with my old 9200 card that was not possible without turning clouds off, but with the 9800XT I dont have a problem.

[sbeacom]

As has been said Pig, you're not alone.

Outside the aircraft in some of hte views, I often see fps's in the 90's ... I have used fraps and the ctrl-backspace and they're in line with each other.

Inside the aircraft I probably average around 40 and I have about the same machine as SAM. It's an Intel 2.8G oc'd to 3.1G with a gig of 3200 RAM. I use 1280x1024 on a 256M Nvida 5950 Ultra (already a dated vid-card!) and don't use any tweaks from LOMAN. Though, I don't remember precisely what all I have set up - I know I use the medium setting pretty much across the board with 16bpp.

Actually ...

Textures - High
Scens - High
Terr Prld - 50km
Water - Med
Haze - basic
Lights - weapons
Visib Rng - Med
Effects - Med
Heat Blr - off
Shadows - all planar
Color - 16 bit
Resolut - 1280x1024

and full screen on.

But, based on the configuration you've posted, I think you should be getting MUCH higher frame rates. (but what do I know?)

REgards,

Navaja

[acrylaman]

I noticed that the view range is very important with the FPS rate. When i set the Range at high, the frame rate drop dramaticaly comparing to med range.

Athlon thorougthbred 2400, Radeon 9800PRO 128bit,500 meg ram DDR, ASUS A7V8X. Seagate 7200 rpm.

Seting:

All feature (texture etc...) at medium quality.
getting average FPS of 30
I think the big prob whit sim like lockon is that you must have all entity (aircraft-tank etc...) present simultanously. The AI take a lot of processor time and that is why the FPS drop so much. In most game ,all the entity are present only when your about to interact with them. That
is done with triggers and target(for those who
as already made single maping u know what i mean) The prob with lockon is that everything
must be there continualy.They just didnt find a way to correct this issue yet. I'm sure there must be a way to combine good flight sim with high FPS on middle range computer like mine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[maf_74]

Yeah, it's a pity a lot of new games ask so much of PC systems (and their owners, upgrading upgrading upgrading...).

I really would like to see some optimizations for Lock On, because it's pointless to produce a great game that only a select few can play (but I guess flight sims are a real fringe game market these days, anyway).

[acrylaman]

Hi all! I just found a good tool to tweak your lockon graphiq settings. You can find it here:
http://www.checksix-fr.com/bibliotheque/index.php?page=detail&ID=1743

I suggest to lower the texture density of object and all that refer to map object. In that way ,scenery can still be there without sucking up all
your poor video card capability. Nice program! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[acrylaman]

I forgot... You can also do thishttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifpen the CONFIG folder of your LOMAC directory. Locate the graphics.cfg and proceed to change the following...

LandLodDistances
{
LandDay
{
L01 = 10000;
L12 = 25000;
}
That is the distance your video card will work on. Lowering this will improove your FPS a bit. Add this to a good tweak with LOMAN and you get a good improovement!

And by the way... wich a nice Christmas time to all!

[Cali_169th]

I run mine on these settings and I get 30-35 FPS in cockpit. And I get 35-45 in F2 view.

Textures - High
Scens - High
Civ traffic - On
Terr Prld - 100km
Water - High
Haze - Advance
Lights - All
Visib Rng - Med
Effects - High
Heat Blur - on
Shadows - Highest setting
Color - 32 bit
Resolut - 1280x1024


I upgraded from a 9600pro AIW, in the next year maybe we will have a system that will run everything on HIGH.