Any chance Sam may finally use a Mark 23 or something better? [Archive]

jchung

02-15-2006, 09:07 AM

For starters I like the 5-7 pistol Sam carries, but I don't like the ammo he carries. The standard 5-7 ammo may be armor piercing, but the 55gr subsonic ammo Sam has is not, so I don't see the point of using the 5-7. The standard ammo runs at 2,400fps, but the subsonic ammo runs around 800fps.

I would much rather have a Mark23 or USP tactical, or 1911 with a suppressor. Now that Sam is acting as a DA is it possible we might finally have a better silenced pistol?

Would it be too much info to give out what kind of firearms he comes across in the game?

jchung

02-15-2006, 09:07 AM

capteenix

02-15-2006, 09:18 AM

as far as i know, 5-7 is so stron in rela life that you cant buy it nowhere, only Law enforcement can use them, but smore stronger, makes more louder voice! its a supressor, that needs better...forget about it! Im shokech this game is delayed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

jchung

02-15-2006, 10:22 AM

The 5-7 has been available to civilians for over a year now. Go to your local gunshop. $800 and it is yours.

sam-is-a-gimp

02-15-2006, 11:08 AM

bahh, who cares what gun it is as long as the sound of it is good.

jchung

02-15-2006, 12:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sam-is-a-gimp:
bahh, who cares what gun it is as long as the sound of it is good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL. Ultimately the thing I care most about is gameplay, which the SC seems to have about the best of. However, I'm still curious about what guns will be in SC4.

Hey, the game isn't out yet, so while we are waiting does anyone know, or have a list of guns Sam uses?

knife_X

02-15-2006, 12:41 PM

I think that Sam will be using different kinds off guns now, on the Trailer 2 he uses a pistol without silencer! Probably a black marcet gun.

Maniac_536

02-15-2006, 12:45 PM

Well in chaos theory the 5-7 was equipped with a rechargable EMP cell that could disable lights without destroying them.

You never know what could be added to Sam's weapons in the next game. I mean we know he's going to keep the sc-20k, but now that he's no longer part of law enforcement, he's probably going to be using lots of civilian or illegal weapons.

-Maniac

Nipples

02-15-2006, 04:01 PM

what u got to relize is that most pistol rounds are standard round nose. They're very blunt. they're energy is spread out over a wider area. So a kevlar vast can easily take the hits from a standard pistol at close range.(Thats excluding broken ribs and such.) Where as the FN5-7; all its' energy is focused at a tiny point. The way the bullet is designed allows it to slip through most standard body armor even though it is going significantly slower. Another reason it was choosen could be the fact of its' high ammo capacity. Look at the fact of the military switching from the Colt45 to the 9mm Beretta. A stupid move but they believed that higher ammo capacity is worth more than stoping power. Or possibly the fact that it is considered more futuristic, because of how recent(past few years) it was developed. So think about it...

NIP

jchung

02-15-2006, 05:17 PM

For starters the 5-7 round at 800fps is NOT armor piercing. Have you shot a 5-7?

Also, 10mm ammo can easily penetrate standard Kevlar body armor. Speer Golddot .45 ACP +P rounds can almost penetrate kevlar body armor, and any large caliber magnum revolver round can penetrate kevlar armor(.41, .44, .454, .500). The pointed tip has less to do with the 5-7 round penetrating body armor than the shear velocity. Take away the velocity of the 5-7 and it is virtually useless.

Try shooting some body armor with various rounds and you will see what I am talking about. I don't shoot paper targets at a gun range, I shoot actual objects outdoors at a private range and have seen the effects that different rounds can have with different materials.

The 5-7 is a great gun if you have the SS192 ammo, but without it, it is nothing more than a novelty.

Nipples

02-15-2006, 06:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jchung:
For starters the 5-7 round at 800fps is NOT armor piercing. Have you shot a 5-7?

Also, 10mm ammo can easily penetrate standard Kevlar body armor. Speer Golddot .45 ACP +P rounds can almost penetrate kevlar body armor, and any large caliber magnum revolver round can penetrate kevlar armor(.41, .44, .454, .500). The pointed tip has less to do with the 5-7 round penetrating body armor than the shear velocity. Take away the velocity of the 5-7 and it is virtually useless.

Try shooting some body armor with various rounds and you will see what I am talking about. I don't shoot paper targets at a gun range, I shoot actual objects outdoors at a private range and have seen the effects that different rounds can have with different materials.

The 5-7 is a great gun if you have the SS192 ammo, but without it, it is nothing more than a novelty. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A .45 is not 10mm, there is no 10mm round to my knowledge other than .40 which i believe to be not consdered 10mm. (.41, .44, .454, .500) these are ****in cannons. NONE of which could be silenced. What you have to relize is that for a gun to be silenced it has to be subsonic. If the bullet's velocity is higher than aprox. 1100ft/s breaks the sound barrier and creates its own sonic boom. So no matter the caliber it is going to have to be a slow bullet. But any high caliber weapon can only be silenced to a certian point. The higher caliber weapons have to much pressure behind them to silence them completely like the smaller calibers like 9mm. Look at the MP5, it is so quiet that all you can hear is the action for cryin out loud. Any gun when fine tuned and with the proper ammunition can penatrate a kevlar vest yes, with limits on range of course. Try reloading your own rounds for fine tuning and accuracy. And when I shoot I don't go to a range i go out in my field with whatever type of target I want; weather it be a sheet of steel or a matchstick. I know it isn't organized but what can u do? So spit something back at me cause I know your going to. This could go on forever. Out of curiosity do you load your own bullets for rifle or pistol? Oh and by the way from the looks of the screen shots; yes we won't always have our trusty FN5-7. Why the hell does it matter any way? It's a game!

NIP

FN57

02-15-2006, 06:40 PM

There is a 10mm Round bub. Glock makes a 10mm handgun.

I don't reload pistol ammo, I find it pointless seeing as how it can get really expensive if you don't shoot pistols alot. Although I do reload shotgun shells, but i realize fine tuning your loads can aquire some rather nice results, expecially for wadcutter 1911s and pistols of the like.

Anyway, seriously, it is a game. I am big into firearms and shoot alot, but I'm not going to not buy the splinter cell series just becuase of their poor choice in pistols. I can see Ubi using it for ammo capacity and it being all futuristic and all, but it really isn't worth getting all uptight about it. The five seven has been a staple for splinter cell since the first one, they won't change it.

drunkrepublican

02-15-2006, 06:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jchung:
The 5-7 has been available to civilians for over a year now. Go to your local gunshop. $800 and it is yours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But not the pistol sam uses. Sam has a Five-seveN tactical, which fires the ss190 round. The ss19o round is available to only military and law enforcement due to it's armor-piercing capabilities.

FN57

02-15-2006, 06:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drunkrepublican:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jchung:
The 5-7 has been available to civilians for over a year now. Go to your local gunshop. $800 and it is yours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But not the pistol sam uses. Sam has a Five-seveN tactical, which fires the ss190 round. The ss19o round is available to only military and law enforcement due to it's armor-piercing capabilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No....you can buy the gun...you can't buy the armor piercing ammo...

The gun doesn't pierce your armor, the bullets do. I knew someone with a five seven tactical and he was never military or law enforcement. And with a $250 tax stamp, you can buy a silencer 100% legal, just like Sam.

Globe.48

02-16-2006, 04:16 AM

well, I'd like to know if the sc-pistol (Five-seveN) actually is as weak as it is in the game with subsonic bullets (talking about CT). I do believe that it is more effective but ubi just toned it down so that players wouldn't just shoot everyone they encounter. that's why sam has poor accuracy too, so that you don't just headshot everyone like in pt with the laser. same thing with SC-20K

jchung

02-16-2006, 06:54 AM

@Nipples

Try reading my post I did not say that a .45 is a 10mm. I'm simply naming rounds that can penetrate an average kevlar vest, and no I don't care that the 5-7 might not be in the game, notice that the thread was stating that I hope he has something different?

Also, as I stated before, I'm just curious, I don't really care what he uses, the game is good as it is, it is just a question. Don't take it too seriously.

Your statement about being able to hear the action on an MP5 is simply false. Sounds like you just took what HK initially claimed and ran with it. I have shot an SD and it is still a loud gun. HK has even run test after that claim and found the gun runs at over 100db with standard 9mm ammo. The SD is not supposed to be run with subsonic ammo, so that is NOT the reason it ran louder than the original claims.

@drunkrepublican

Sam does not use armor piercing ammo. He uses the 55gr subsonic ammo and it is NOT armor piercing.

@Glosbe.48

Yes the 5-7 with the subsonic ammo is as weak as it is in the game. The ammo makes all the difference in the world with this gun.

@FN57

Hey, did you eventually pick up a 5-7? I almost did, but a buddy of mine that I shoot with often picked one up. It is a nice gun, you can unload the entire clip in 4sec and still shoot a nice tight group.

It is unfortunate that civilians like us can't get the good stuff for it.

Anyway, back to the original point. is there a list of weapons that Sam comes across? Again, this is out of curiosity, not because it is a major issue. Since the game is not out yet, I would just like to know.

Nipples

02-16-2006, 09:06 AM

Ok now that we're all finished yelling about bullets and guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I think he will carry other pistols other than a FN5-7. Reason being that in the one screen shot where sam is pointing the gun at the man nealing on the ground hes carrying something else. So yeah I think we're not goin' to be limited to the 5-7 on every mission.

NIP

jchung

02-16-2006, 11:14 AM

Yelling? Nobody here is angry about the subject as far as I know.

Anyway, I looked at some of the screens again, and one of the guns in Sam's hand looks like it has a hammer. Anyone see any screens where the gun is up close and clearly visible.

Again, this is just about curiosity, and not a serious debate.

pdogsniper

02-16-2006, 11:48 AM

There's an argument about guns and nobody informed me? I thought you guys cared...

But seriously- The 5-7 is a nice gun. Subsonically, like jchung said, it won't pierce armor. And i would like a .45 ACP round somewhere in this game. That might just make my day.

But more importantly than the pistol, i want an M4 with a wide variety of attachments. They're just better than his FN F2000 knock off. I've never been really partial any bullpup, but that's just personal opinion.

jchung

02-16-2006, 12:34 PM

Hey pdogsniper. We knew you would eventually show up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ain't a fan of bullpups eh? Thats okay, I find them to be too loud right next to my right ear anyway, and I always wear plugs under the external protection when I am indoors. Even outdoors I find that it is good to wear a plug in my right ear when I fire one, and in full auto indoors forget it.

Hey did you notice the screen with Sam holding the pistol. I think it looks like a USP with a stainless finish, but then again the receiver also looks stainless so then that would mean it would be a 1911? The barrel looks like it might be to short for it to be a Sig, but screen shot does not make identifying the gun very easy. Maybe a CZ? Any guesses?

pdogsniper

02-16-2006, 01:22 PM

I think i know what pic you're talking about. Sam with the shaved head, pointing a gun at a guy who's bound and gagged? My computer at home has a problem and thus, no internet, and the firewall at school blocks bewaresamfisher.com, so if someone could post it, or tell me where to find it... But, the first thing i thought was a 1911 knockoff, or maybe a larger pistol... maybe but not limited to MR Desert Eagle (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg16-e.htm) ,cz 97b (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg97-e.htm) ,USP (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg11-e.htm), colt 1911 (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg04-e.htm), colt ssp (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg171-e.htm). The .50 is the sort of gun you may expect with this kind of terrorist group, but i forget how big the gun looked, and what finish and all those goodies. The 1911 is also a pretty common gun, and a lot of organizations/groups/terrorists/good guys would have it. so again, if someone could post or direct me... Also, like jchung said, most screen shots don't do justice to a real picture, or holding on in your hand.

crociato1985

02-16-2006, 04:34 PM

If ubi put a selection of pistols (& primary weapons) then everyone will be happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Personally i really like this models:
-MK23 (the MARK23 is the civilian version)
-GLOCK 18 (full auto http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif)
-GLOCK 17
-Beretta 92F http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif (=M9)(Italia, Italia, sorry I'm italian)
-Beretta 93R (3burst http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif)
-Colt 1911 (a evergreen)
-STI tactical (a evolution of the 1911 with high capacity clips)

Have you ever noticed that in splinter cell to kill a bad guy you generally have to shoot a lot (except headshot) the weapons are underpowered this is not realistic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.

P.S. The dilemma of 9mm or the .45ACP is not so important because in real life when you use double-tap with this calibers you generally obtain the same result the bad guy is not more a tread

m4_007

02-16-2006, 05:01 PM

crociato1985

02-16-2006, 05:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by pdogsniper:
There's an argument about guns and nobody informed me? I thought you guys cared...

But seriously- The 5-7 is a nice gun. Subsonically, like jchung said, it won't pierce armor. And i would like a .45 ACP round somewhere in this game. That might just make my day.

But more importantly than the pistol, i want an M4 with a wide variety of attachments. They're just better than his FN F2000 knock off. I've never been really partial any bullpup, but that's just personal opinion.

You called ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You right guys the AR-15 family is wonderfull with a big possibility of customization, but why we must limitate our gameplay if we can have the possibility to have a weapon selection???
personally I like this modells:
-G36 (version C & K)
-M4
-M16
-F2000
-FAMAS
-AUG
-SCAR
-M8
But don't forget submachineguns:
-MP5
-MP5 SD
-MP5 K
-UMP
-AR-15 RECHAMBERED FOR THE 9mm or the .45 ACP
-P90 (CAL. 5.7mm SAME BULLET OF THE FIVE-SEVEN)
And sniper rifles:
-SR25 (is a AR-15 accuratizated & uses the 7.62 NATO)
-WA2000
-ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL L96
-ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL L115
-PSG1
What do you think about this idea?
P.S.If you like weapons check this site http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif:
http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm

pdogsniper

02-16-2006, 07:44 PM

in a word- no

in a few words- this isn't a fps, and sam can't hold a bunch of weapons and go around running and gunning. it'd defeat the purpose of the game.

drunkrepublican

02-16-2006, 07:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdogsniper:
in a word- no

in a few words- this isn't a fps, and sam can't hold a bunch of weapons and go around running and gunning. it'd defeat the purpose of the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But maybe before a mission, Sam could choose a primary and secondary weapon to take into combat? We already know there are multiple Pistols (Desert Eagle, Beretta M92Fs, FN Five-seveN, for example) Shotguns, and Rifles. Some silenced, some not. Which I LIKE. I'm tired of the F2000 and Five-seveN in every mission. Let's put a little variety in there.

crociato1985

02-16-2006, 08:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">in a word- no

in a few words- this isn't a fps, and sam can't hold a bunch of weapons and go around running and gunning. it'd defeat the purpose of the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've never talked about gun-blazing; I mean that would be very nice to have variety in the weapons selection.Sam has always used 1the F2000 2the five-seven & in chaos theory
he can even use a shotgun & a high caliber rifle(only a mod. to the F2000) I've only suggested more models of weapons not more firepower.This variety will bring up a lot more replay-value. This will not trasform SC in RS or GR, & for a stelth game a sniper rifle is awesome in the previous game the player must use the F2000 like a sniper rifle but it is an assault rifle.

P.S. I respect your opinon but I don't want to be misunderstand http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crociato1985

02-16-2006, 08:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But maybe before a mission, Sam could choose a primary and secondary weapon to take into combat? We already know there are multiple Pistols (Desert Eagle, Beretta M92Fs, FN Five-seveN, for example) Shotguns, and Rifles. Some silenced, some not. Which I LIKE. I'm tired of the F2000 and Five-seveN in every mission. Let's put a little variety in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly what I mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nukefun

02-16-2006, 08:50 PM

If u read the spoiler post it says that what ever side u stay close to, the differant guns and equipment. i think sam will have the same guns that your enemys had in CT such as a ak or w/e gun that was shown in the DA trailer ( one with the lazer in the train.). so in other words he will be using guns off the black market.

jchung

02-17-2006, 06:53 AM

Hey pdogsniper, sorry, but I'm only on the forum when I am at work. After eight hours of being on a PC, the last thing I want to do when I get home is log onto another PC.

Anyway, here is one of the screenshots that I was examining.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/666/666098/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-4-20051111105823650.jpg

Hard to tell. I saw another one that was a bit better, but I can't seem to find it.

jchung

02-17-2006, 07:03 AM

In a word the F2000 is the best firearm for most of Sam's missions. Because of the bullpup design the gun can be had with a relatively long barrel without compromising compact packaging. Longer barrels bring more velocity without having to increase the power of a cartridge's charge, and it also serves to quiet the gun down.

Ever fire a Commando side by side with an A2? I have owned both and I can tell you firsthand that there is a huge difference in the volume. I also had an M4 and even that was noticably quieter than the commando, and there we are only talking about a 3" difference in the barrel length.

Perhaps a Steyr Aug would be good, but unless Sam's mission is altered there really is not a better gun for him. I know that bullpups make for slower mag changes, but then again Sam really isn't supposed to get into big firefights, right?

Perhaps having a mission where he is supposed to take out a specific target from a distance would be nice. Here he could use a suppressed SR25, or something else that might bring a bit of excitement into the mix.

crociato1985

02-17-2006, 07:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Perhaps having a mission where he is supposed to take out a specific target from a distance would be nice. Here he could use a suppressed SR25, or something else that might bring a bit of excitement into the mix. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gifExcitement & replay-value

pdogsniper

02-17-2006, 08:53 PM

Thanks for the pic, it wasn't the one i was thinking of, but the gun looks the same. From this, i think we can cross out the 1911. I still can't get the .50 AE out of my head though. DE .50 AE (http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/desert-eagle-01.jpg) This picture looks a lot more like jchungs picture, with the groove on the barrel, large, extended hammer guard, and the color is better. That just fits Sam's new personality, bada$$ bank robber, criminal doing hard time. Another aspect one may consider in solving this quandry, is how did Sam come across the pistol? Off a security guard, which would than be like a police-issued Beretta, or something someone slipped him, which, theoretically, could be anything.
Also, i agree about the F2000. My personal opinion on bullpup's does not mean i wouldn't take one into the field with me, if that was the best option. I would prefer a conventional AR, but they don't always fit the mission specs.
Also, would you rather have a Stoner SR-25 over a HK PSG-1? I don't know enough to say that the PSG might be quieter or, better accustomed to stealth, but they're "supposed" to be more accurate. I unfortunately haven't fired either, and i'd rather own a bolt, but once again, my personal opinion doesn't mean i wouldnt pick the right gun for the job.
Back to your original question- Any Chance on a MK23? I dont' think i ever answered it.
Man, i hope so. But i don't think there will be, unless the game is a lot more open-ended than i can currently imagine. hopefully the devs will surprise me.

Spartan204.

02-17-2006, 09:14 PM

I think they should get rid of the fake *** sniper attachment, and actually have Sam swap out barrels and such if he wants to snipe. The sniper the way it is now encourages you to use it whenever instead of a last resort. I remember seeing an early SCCT video in which Sam was switching out barrels and the like, and it was pretty damn cool too.

pdogsniper

02-18-2006, 05:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spartan204.:
I think they should get rid of the fake *** sniper attachment, and actually have Sam swap out barrels and such if he wants to snipe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem with only switching out barrels is that not all receivers and bolts will work for all calibers. Sam's sniper attachment was 20mm, or about a .65-.70 Caliber. A 5.56mm bolt and receiver is not going to shoot a 20mm cartridge. So, he'd have to change out a lot more than just the barrel. That's why it's just an attachment.

amartin956

02-19-2006, 11:01 AM

"The gun doesn't pierce your armor, the bullets do. I knew someone with a five seven tactical and he was never military or law enforcement. And with a $250 tax stamp, you can buy a silencer 100% legal, just like Sam." FN57

250 dollar tax stamp??
100% legal silencer??
i dont know where u live but here in the US silencers are illegal all the way

Flash1087

02-19-2006, 11:43 PM

I was actually unaware the 5-7 was availible for civilian sale until a little while ago. I saw one at a local gun store/hock shop (it's a real classy joint http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and my jaw dropped. They're beautiful in person.

jchung

02-20-2006, 06:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by amartin956:
"The gun doesn't pierce your armor, the bullets do. I knew someone with a five seven tactical and he was never military or law enforcement. And with a $250 tax stamp, you can buy a silencer 100% legal, just like Sam." FN57

250 dollar tax stamp??
100% legal silencer??
i dont know where u live but here in the US silencers are illegal all the way </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are legal, you just have to register them separately like an SBR (shortbarrel rifle). It is much like owning a machinegun. Machineguns are simply registered as a class 3 firearm, so they are just classified differently.

Now of course the background checks are much more strict, and you will wait three months and sometimes longer for the paperwork.

pdogsniper

02-20-2006, 04:17 PM

If you want to go on the cheap, just put a pop bottle on the barrel of a rifle, .22 caliber pretty much only. If you fill it with some rags, or paper towels, it's barely audible. If the ammo is subsonic, than you obviously won't hear the crack, either. A buddy and i tried it once out at the range. It worked well for the .22LR, but for the .243 and .30-06, it just blew the bottle off, and we didn't want to fix the bottle with any duct tape. Mar the finish and such.

slit1neck2speed

02-21-2006, 10:24 AM

sam relies to much on guns.i think now hes inside the terrorist orgainazation hes going to get a lot of primitive weapons compared to nsa.he should relie on navy seals tacticts to help him.id say hell get weapons like m16s and so on.but its a stealth game so ur not going to go in point blank range and shoot the hell out of everybody.when the game comes out ill mostly stick the nsa because of their ****nal of weapons.i heard a glass cutter and a grapnel will be there.thell come in handy on the shanghai mission.mistake me if im wrong but is there a new gun out in the game called a compact 303 launcher....which fires stick shockers and the like

Scoggs117

02-21-2006, 10:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pdogsniper:
There's an argument about guns and nobody informed me? I thought you guys cared...

But seriously- The 5-7 is a nice gun. Subsonically, like jchung said, it won't pierce armor. And i would like a .45 ACP round somewhere in this game. That might just make my day.

But more importantly than the pistol, i want an M4 with a wide variety of attachments. They're just better than his FN F2000 knock off. I've never been really partial any bullpup, but that's just personal opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well whey not have both, i am a fan of the fn2000 mainly cause im a lefty, but the both use the same ammo and have about the same barrel lenghts, so why not have both?

but truly i say screw guns, guve sam a katana and have it mounted on his back Blade or nija style and ill be set, well until h3 is announced and/or released.