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Amrak
11-19-2006, 01:02 AM
Why is the Benelli M3 Super 90 stuck in pump-action only?

Benelli M3 is inertia recoil operated semi auto like the M1, but with the option to convert to pump when certain rounds will not cycle the action. Like tear gas, breaching rounds,low recoil and non lethals.

The only thing I can think of is game balance, but there is a semi auto shotgun in the game.

Dirty_Jackal
11-19-2006, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Amrak:
Why is the Benelli M3 Super 90 stuck in pump-action only?

Benelli M3 is inertia recoil operated semi auto like the M1, but with the option to convert to pump when certain rounds will not cycle the action. Like tear gas, breaching rounds,low recoil and non lethals.

The only thing I can think of is game balance, but there is a semi auto shotgun in the game.

I agree totally with you, I think they got the stats with the M1 Super 90 with the SWAT stock but forgot to fix the name, but you are right the M3 Super 90 is indeed auto.

If the SPAS-12 isn't auto something is definately wrong with their supposed "gun research."

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CaliberRed
11-19-2006, 04:48 PM
its semi-auto by the way. auto is were you pull the trigger and hold it and rounds fire till you let go. while semi-auto is everytime you pull the trigger a shot is fired<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Dirty_Jackal
11-19-2006, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by CaliberRed:
its semi-auto by the way. auto is were you pull the trigger and hold it and rounds fire till you let go. while semi-auto is everytime you pull the trigger a shot is fired

Yah, world.guns.ru said AUTO so that's what I typed. I remember the SPAS having fullauto in Timesplitters but yet again there is an electricity gun in that game too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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gfitzpatrick
11-19-2006, 04:59 PM
It's the pump action that is wrong with it. The M3 is still semi but you don't need to pump it for standard shells.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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derick_danks
11-21-2006, 01:46 AM
I would like the m4 to come back

Amrak
11-21-2006, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by Dirty_Jackal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Amrak:
Why is the Benelli M3 Super 90 stuck in pump-action only?

Benelli M3 is inertia recoil operated semi auto like the M1, but with the option to convert to pump when certain rounds will not cycle the action. Like tear gas, breaching rounds,low recoil and non lethals.

The only thing I can think of is game balance, but there is a semi auto shotgun in the game.

I agree totally with you, I think they got the stats with the M1 Super 90 with the SWAT stock but forgot to fix the name, but you are right the M3 Super 90 is indeed auto.

If the SPAS-12 isn't auto something is definately wrong with their supposed "gun research."

P.S> by the way thanks for your military service. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I guess the reason is balance, thats cool, I can pretend that I'm shooting LE Low Recoil Rounds. haha

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SOF_Airborne
11-21-2006, 06:02 AM
Dude, Your about 6 months too late http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Subsonic7
11-21-2006, 06:24 AM
No the XM-26 LSS in the game is fully automatic. Its standard fire mode is semi but you can switch it to full auto using fire select.

Don't know if you can switch from pump to semi-auto with the SPAS and Benelli though I haven't tried those weapons out yet.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TERA_Forrest
11-21-2006, 07:07 AM
Maybe if we're lucky we'll get it in a download. I was bumed to see that it was missing as well. At least I still have a UMP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gsxr6OO
11-21-2006, 08:25 AM
Probably due to licensing issues with colt. They are anal.

TEXAStwist
11-21-2006, 10:06 AM
They could have gotten the M4 from a number of manufactures like olympic arms, bushmaster, DPMS, stag arms there are a number of others you don't have to actually get it from colt.

gsxr6OO
11-21-2006, 10:19 AM
You can get AR's from them not the M4, But AR carbines, same thing, but not.

TEXAStwist
11-21-2006, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by gsxr6OO:
You can get AR's from them not the M4, But AR carbines, same thing, but not.
You can get a M4A1 from any of these manufactures if you are Law Enforcement or Military, M4 is a short version of a AR Same exact gun same bullet same build a M4 reciever will fit on a AR upper and vice versa.

KimberTech
11-21-2006, 10:50 AM
It isin't gonna happen. Not right now, anyway.

KimberTech
11-21-2006, 11:02 AM
Not with the M3, there were no firing mode diffrenes I was aware of. But I have yet to see if this is the same story with the SPAS.

I personaly like the fact that they are Pump-Action. IMHO, the pump animation is pretty bad-***.

Goliath.Ubi.Dev
11-21-2006, 12:20 PM
Balance decision actually. Thats all there is to that onehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ooATILAoo
11-21-2006, 12:28 PM
This has nothing to do with Vegas, but what does Ubisoft mean? I can see the -soft coming from software, but what about the <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b]? Also, is it pronounced you-bee-soft, or oooh-bee-soft?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KimberTech
11-21-2006, 01:43 PM
I don't know about the <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] in the name, but I can help with pronounciation.

It's OO-be or JU-be in America (the former is more common), whereas the French use Y'be.

KimberTech
11-21-2006, 01:47 PM
But that begs the question: Why have those two normaly Full-Auto Shotguns in the game as Pump-Actions when you have a full-auto shotgun already in the game?

lceycat
11-22-2006, 01:00 PM
BUMP

In addition to the M4, I also want to see the return of the M16, and L85. Assault rifles selection kinda sucks in this new R6. Also whats up with putting in weird guns no one's ever heard of? Like that funky clip feed auto shotgun thing, at least the USAS 12 people have heard of...sheesh

Mr_Aristotle
11-22-2006, 08:06 PM
yeah i use to love the L85, that was the Enfield if I recall. Good old rogue spear, that game felt so revolutionary to me.

xtremeskier_
11-22-2006, 08:21 PM
M4 will probably be on the market place in a week or two for 800 or so points. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JEDIMASTER96
11-22-2006, 08:31 PM
Why no M4 you say ... What about the M16 ... I used the M16 on the rainbow six 3 for the xbox religiously ... Both weapons are good ... Bring them back UBISOFT ... Along with Old school Rainbow six 3 map's like presidio ,old city and Airport ... They can make an airport map in Mexico or Vegas ...

stezach
11-22-2006, 08:38 PM
I want mah M 16! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Edit: I bet you 100 bux <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] will release a pack of guns like the M16 and M4 and all the others that arent here!...For 200 gamer points -_-

Raiden360
11-22-2006, 09:58 PM
i hardly see how they could do that. As games like saints row where clothes can be downloaded from the marketplace, if a user doesnt have that download they cant see the clothes if someone is wearing them. as a saints row moderator said in a forum on the issue "unfortuantly thats just the nature of this kind of downloadable content".

I asume as such the issue would be the same with downloadable guns. However as there much more influential over gameplay i hardly see why ubisoft would want to segregate considerable portions of the live community who arnt interested in downloading content.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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lceycat
11-22-2006, 11:46 PM
A few ways to deal with this.....

Firstly it could be an automatic free update next time you sign into Vegas online. That way everyone will be on the same field with the new content. Another way of doing it could be that it is only available for offline gameplay somehow (that would suck)

Yet another way of doing it would be to release it as part of an expansion pack. GRAW chapter 2 added not only new maps, but also several new guns into the mix, and the weapon models display just fine. If some people don't have the new content the servers just wouldn't be compatible. As with older R6 Xbox downloadable content everyone would quickly get on the bandwagon as nobody wants to be left out of multiplayer goodness.

So yes there are several viable alternatives, and it has been done before over Xbox Live with both the old R6 games, and the 360 GRAW content as well which DID include new weapon stats and models.

I look forward to a download that will include these weapons sometime down the road as I see no reason it can't be done since <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] has done it before.

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11-23-2006, 09:32 AM
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Uziyahu-IDF
11-23-2006, 09:44 AM
At least an HK 416.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TROUBLENSB
11-28-2006, 07:44 AM
I am with Kimber on this one. It doesn't make much sense to give us a full auto shotgun and take away the two semi auto shotguns. Besides that, the thing has a very short barrel. Compared to the standard size shotguns in the game it seems to pattern just as well. Somethings off there as well.

TROUBLENSB
11-28-2006, 07:49 AM
Some type of M16 varient would be nice. Be it a 416, a SR25, a M4, or a plain old M16A2. I don't care, but please give me my M16!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif lol...

As far as the downloads go. I think it would mess up the whole idea that you have to earn the different guns if they just let you download them. But hey, if that is what it takes to get an M4, I am all up for it.

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