heres something different

[EvermanX]

dont get me wrong, i love seeing our boys in movies and games kicking the *** nazi scum all over the place. but i think its time to give the germans a chance. its time for a movie to be released that depicks a man or a group of men in the nazi army and the struggles and hard ship they had to witness. and your probably saying "everman how could you say that, they were evil". no no the SS was evil, many of the men in the army did not want to be there or were prisioners of conqured countries. make a movie about that. if not, a game, it could be a cool change.

[EvermanX]

dont get me wrong, i love seeing our boys in movies and games kicking the *** nazi scum all over the place. but i think its time to give the germans a chance. its time for a movie to be released that depicks a man or a group of men in the nazi army and the struggles and hard ship they had to witness. and your probably saying "everman how could you say that, they were evil". no no the SS was evil, many of the men in the army did not want to be there or were prisioners of conqured countries. make a movie about that. if not, a game, it could be a cool change.

[FritzNietzsche]

Try this one called Stalingrad or Das Boot.I agree with you when you say that hollywood dehumanizes the ww2 german soldier...

[five_oh_deuce]

I agree with Evermanx. I've never seen a war movie based on the german troops or the japanese. They are always depicted as the evil ones or as the bad guys, I mean many of the germans who fought in WWII were just like the americans or the british , they were normal soldiers following orders and fighting for their country. I bet it would be very interesting to watch a movie where they show what they thought and what they felt about going to war because in most movies they give you very little info about the germans or japanese forces so they just look like mysterious and unknown people that go to war for no other reason than kill and get rid of the good guys.

[Modisch]

I think in general, yah... there doesn't appear to be much of an interest in hollywood to portray germans in a more varied light.

Das Boot is probably the best offering for telling the other side of the story.

I dunno how easy it would be to do something of the sort for the Japanese... Partly because the nationalist frame of mind and cultural perspectives are so different from our own. And partly because I think there was a more widespread lack of compassion for human life amongst the imperial japanese. The rape of nanking, the hell in south east asia, Gen. Ishii's medical experiments to put Mengele to shame... etc. Listening to POW accounts from the pacific campaign, those are wildly different than the european theater. The nazis were obviously very base and cruel to certain populations (Jews, gypsies & ethnic minorities, homosexuals, etc) but it didn't seem to extend to the average french, brit or yank. Not that it was tea and biscuits... it was war afterall... but I think you know what I mean.

-m

[markiz26]

Noone says that all German soldiers were bad (Nazis).But when you look at the overall picture of WW2 you see that Germans attackes Russians and not the other way around. So guess who is good and bad in this particular situation especially under those circumstances?
No wonder they don't make movies about them!

[wackojackoe]

I hope english isn't your first language...Many of the german soldiers were forced into the army. Many of them weren't even german! They were living in other parts of the world, but called back to germany to be in the army. Obviously the people with high rank in the german army was an evil person, but you can't say that they were all evil because they did what they were forced to do.

[Anupama]

When discussion ww2 many people tend to view ordenary germans, or people from other countrys who sided with the nazis as victims of a cruel leadership. They might overlook that facist movements where very strong in in many european countrys at the time.

And Wackojackoe? Is it the Hiwies you are talking about? If so, just remember that many of them voluntered.

[Anupama]

Oh btw, the Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30 - Historical Discussion forum is now up. Maybe its time to move in?

[LGlineman65]

Hey they lost, nuff said, i guess movies based off of your experiences is just another spoil of war. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Capt.Miles]

rent stalingrad....Its as you discribed

[Mak6]

Hitler ranks top 3 for geniuses in my book. Do I think he made a mistake? Do I think he had immoral values and actions? Ofcourse. But he was doing what he felt was right. And ya know what?.. He did a pretty **** good job of it. I would love to see a shooter based from an Axis point of view.

[Anupama]

He was a strategical disaster(thank good) who did not pay attantion to his genarals.
He was carried away by his sick ideas, instead of perciving reality. If he was genius the war would have lasted much longer.

[wackojackoe]

I think what he's trying to say (maybe not) was that hitler was a good leader. I'm not saying that what he did was good...quite the opposite. He had the most cruel and violent ideas yet he convinced many people to follow him. It's stretching it a bit to say he was a genius...I mean...Just look at his goofy moustache! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[five_oh_deuce]

yeah he wasn't a military genius but I admit he had the power to convince people.

[markiz26]

I read "Mein Kampf", one of the most popular books about Hitler and his ideas for the world. He was a great orator but such a lunatic when it came to conquering the world.

[indylavi]

Anupama has it right. Fact is this, if everybody who said they hate Hitler and oppose him now did so back then. He never would've gotten power. They don’t want to admit at the time that Hitler seemed like a good idea. Germany was terribly depressed and poor. Then Hitler comes along and says you should be proud your German. Don’t be ashamed. He preached German unity and said that together they could all be prosperous again. It was only when defeat seemed inevitable that people really started to change their tone. Of course there are pockets of opposition but nothing compared to the huge mobs that flocked to Hitler. After all, if you watch the old news footage I doubt he forced all those thousands of people to come to his speeches

All in all people just don’t feel sorry for them. Where they misled? Yes. Where they lied to? Yes. Does the mistake of bad leadership makeup for the deaths of millions of people? No. You can’t do all of that even if your forced to and just say, sorry my bad and expect people to have compassion.

Personally I do feel sorry from some German soldiers. Why? Because I know what it’s like. I grew up in Israel where you are forced to be in the military. I didn’t want to kill people. I served honorably. Never killed an innocent civilian. Never beat or tortured anybody. Yet, people find out I was IDF and I’m called a baby killer and all kinds of bad things. It’s just the way the world works. Besides, every story has to have a smart and powerful bad guy. Who better than Nazi Germany? What better story could you think of? A group so powerful that they could actually take over the world but had their dreams fade due to greed. Come on that’s classic story telling right there.

[Kurtz_]

Stalingrad
Das Boot
Cross Of Iron - German infantrymen on the Eastern Front, James Coburn
All Quiet On The Western Front - WW1
The Eagle has Landed - German special forces in an attempt to kidnap Churchill

[EvermanX]

**** nice replys guys, thanks. and yes i agree that there wer many native and even non native men that fought in the german army that were crazy fanatic about the nazi movemnet. but at the same time there were tons of non supportive troops that fought that tried to subdue the horrible acts the fanatics were doing. that right there is where the story for a movie comes in. to show that they werent all evil and tho they fought alongside with each other, many tried hard to stop such awful things without pissing off their "friends". the total oppisite of band of brothers, and FINALLY, a movie that would break all the sterotypes we have about the total navi army being the devils army and everyone loved to kill innocent people.

[Cpt.Stukan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wackojackoe:
I think what he's trying to say (maybe not) was that hitler was a good leader. I'm not saying that what he did was good...quite the opposite. He had the most cruel and violent ideas yet he convinced many people to follow him. It's stretching it a bit to say he was a genius...I mean...Just look at his goofy moustache! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What does his moustache to do with intelligence? Its true, hitler was smart...sry to say it....and i would also like a trailer showing the Germans .

[ryir2]

Stalingrad and das boot are great movies depicting german soldiers but if you want a good on try all quiet on the western front

[BakerCompany]

Sorry, but Germans are Germans.
They were suppose to die 100 years ago, for saving more than 80 million lives.

[FritzNietzsche]

What do you think of this?
http://www.white-history.com/hwr64.htm

[TennesseeTitans]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sorry, but Germans are Germans.
They were suppose to die 100 years ago, for saving more than 80 million lives. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This post contradicts itself. However, it was obviously a racist comment. I think everyone would appreciate if you kept your hateful, rascist, and misinformed views to yourself.

[five_oh_deuce]

Thanks for the info I'll try to rent those movies. Hey there are lots of movies and video games about WWII but if you want something really different they should design a game based on the Aztecs. It would be awesome! The spanish invaders could play the roll of the krauts and the Aztecs the roll of the allies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Dutch_vn38416]

Has anyone seen "The Pianist"? It shows a good german, I guess, well.....just one....... "A Bridge Too Far" didn't seem to dehuminaize the germans. What about "Saving Private Ryan"? I can't think of any WW2 movie off the top of my head that makes the germans appear anymore (or less as you guys are saying) than they appeared, they were the bad guys, and we, we were the good guys, so we are going to see it in that prospective.

[FritzNietzsche]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...they were the bad guys, and we, we were the good guys... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Through your life experience you will eventually learn there is not thing such as "good" or "evil"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif(quoting Nietzsche anyway)

[TennesseeTitans]

Well, most German soldiers were just youbng men drafted, and forced to fight Hitler's war. In fact, many German hated Hitler, but speaking that would lead to a certain death. With the exception of those in Death Squads and those in charge of the concentration camps, many German soldiers were young men put into a lose, lose situation. Its sad really, they were forced to fight against their own liberation. Its impossible to label all Germans bad. That would be an act of discrimination. Just because they were associated with evil, doesn't mean they were evil. Btw- I am an American, and my grandfather faught in WWII in the U.S Navy.