What topics can be discussed?

[T1mberw0lf]

Ok, I paid my 50 dollars for this game, I belong here. My question is, what topics are allowed? Any post I seem to be interested in gets locked right quick.

Maybe as a supplement to the TOS that I can't find which includes encouraged topics.

But I don't feel like posting any 'UBI / (moderators name here) is great' threads, so I can't think of any that will surely not be locked.

[justanotherid]

BANNED!



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[T1mberw0lf]

Originally posted by justanotherid:
BANNED!



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Naw, I hope not! I just want to know what I can discuss. I seriously can't think of any that wouldn't get locked any more, and I'm not interested in posting threads I know will get locked.

TWL closed down their ladder AND R6Vegas forums, my clan dropped the game, I don't find it enjoyable kicking myself by trying to get the game to run, and even if I did, nobody's playing it. So I can't post about actually playing the game. The only legitimate thing I can think of is posting about future improvements and discussion on the matter, but everyone here, justifiably, wants to discuss getting the current game fixed before talking about future enhancements.

[NicePCUser]

I love R6 Vegas!!

There, I just saved your topic from being deleted.

[T1mberw0lf]

Woo! Thanks. I love it too, in a wierd sort of way. Kindof like that stupid line from Jerry Maguire 'I love R6Vegas for the game it wants to be'. Not really for the game it is.

[Waika]

You can't discuss anything on these forums related to the Clancy games, game design, certain individuals reprobate conduct, or even certain paid Clancy FanBoy sites mouth to *** relationship with Ubisoft...

Dead "Franchise" on the PC; it's all random spam, arcade fantasy for ham handed, thumb tiddling console zombies that will only buy endless iterations of the same game with a new paint job -- and respond to empty histrionic 'features & benefits' and 'pretty candy little boy' marketing like Pavlovian dogs at the bell call...

There's small hope in GRAW 2 in that it has one of the few independent Ubi contract studios working on it, but Ubi will sabotage that game as they have every other to limit its shelf life.

'Game over Dude...'...

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[tUBIornot2B]

Let's try this one then....you can look at this from the perspective of either the glass is half empty or alternatively on the positive side, half full. Take the latter approach as a purely experimental challenge on co-op multiplayer for example. Because of the underlying bugs or poor optimisation, not to mention the abysmal spawning random generator, getting through a MP map with two players on realistic is a fantastic challenge. Increase the challenge by trying to accomplish the missions without EITHER of the 2 (or more) players dying AND in the fastest time possible.

By far the most challenging aspect is the spawning generator, which will have tangos spawning directly behind you just after you've cleared out a room or shooting you directly through walls/doors.

So essentially, UBI has given us a fantastic challenge here that can be very entertaining, providing that you approach it with the mindset of "the glass is half full".

Try getting through LVJ with 2 players in 1:59 mins.

[Ghost_Hybrid]

You can do anything you want in life the only thing that matters, is how much time is permitted before an action is set fourth on your behavior.

Lately this forum has turned from calm to hostile, and I myself can't take sides on the matter, my game runs fine, its just a system hog.

Havent played over the net, I know that is a seperate issue from single player.

The more we bash the industry for not being 100% perfect at fo-filling all of our needs, is when they turn thier back and give thier best efforts to those who dont complain about every last thing known to man.

A game isnt perfect and never will be, dont set your expectations higher than you have set for yourself.

There are plenty of titles coming out in the near futre that will have the support and care that you desire. UBI isnt the last dinasaur of publishers, sometimes you have to let a person choke themselves instead of you trying to do the choking.

That way they know why they are being choked and hopefully do the necessary things to prevent failure while they journey towards the top.

[Operator.SF]

Originally posted by Ghost_Hybrid:

A game isnt perfect and never will be, dont set your expectations higher than you have set for yourself.

There are plenty of titles coming out in the near futre that will have the support and care that you desire. UBI isnt the last dinasaur of publishers, sometimes you have to let a person choke themselves instead of you trying to do the choking.



well.. I expect my game to run out of the box.. on mp... as advertised. I dont set goals for my self all that high anymore.. but I do expect to be able to make it through my day with out crashing... in any make or manner. So asking ubi to deliver a game at least runs... isn't all that lofty.
And as far as future releases? We could care less about them. We want our moneys worth for what we've already bought. A large portion of us bought this game (and even upgraded our systems for this game..and future releases) strictly for mp. some of us never play sp and dont want to. the game was advertised as being multiplayer ready... and its, judging by the number of people playing now... 8 I think... is obviously not ready for mp. Some of us aren't content to watch ubi die a slow death.. we want our moneys worth. screw their journey to the top.. it aint my problem.

[lceCold]

True that Yingster Ooops i mean operator. I agree 100%.

[vapor002]

Well said Op. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[randolfphe]

Originally posted by tUBIornot2B:
Let's try this one then....you can look at this from the perspective of either the glass is half empty or alternatively on the positive side, half full. Take the latter approach as a purely experimental challenge on co-op multiplayer for example. Because of the underlying bugs or poor optimisation, not to mention the abysmal spawning random generator, getting through a MP map with two players on realistic is a fantastic challenge. Increase the challenge by trying to accomplish the missions without EITHER of the 2 (or more) players dying AND in the fastest time possible.

By far the most challenging aspect is the spawning generator, which will have tangos spawning directly behind you just after you've cleared out a room or shooting you directly through walls/doors.

So essentially, UBI has given us a fantastic challenge here that can be very entertaining, providing that you approach it with the mindset of "the glass is half full".

Try getting through LVJ with 2 players in 1:59 mins.

if it's illogical game mechanics(tango spawning directly behind you in already cleared sector) or due to shallow game design(shooting gallery missions) then they are problems that contribute to frustration, not challenge. i don't know how cheery you are to be able to interchange these 2 qualities, but as you can tell from the majority of responses here, we are simply not capable of looking at everything through rose colored glasses.

[Pace-Ger]

Originally posted by tUBIornot2B:
..., getting through a MP map with two players on realistic is a fantastic challenge. Increase the challenge by trying to accomplish the missions without EITHER of the 2 (or more) players dying AND in the fastest time possible.

By far the most challenging aspect is the spawning generator, which will have tangos spawning directly behind you just after you've cleared out a room or shooting you directly through walls/doors.

So essentially, UBI has given us a fantastic challenge here that can be very entertaining, providing that you approach it with the mindset of "the glass is half full".

Try getting through LVJ with 2 players in 1:59 mins.

I could not disagree more.
Challenge is play in a Clan vs a diffrent Clan (real humans behind PCs) a TDM round based 2 maps.
COOP and any sort of this kind of gaming is no challenge at all since it is just a stupid AI Enemy. It might be hard to get throu a level, when these AIs can head shot you with a pistol out of 100 yards, but that doesnt make any sort of challenge.
Challenge is to conqure a real enemy with thinking and tactics in a map, someone who changes his postion or strategy during a 9 rounds map game.

and THAT is Rainbow Six gaming,

coop and terrorist hunt is utterly boring.
specialy in Vegas where only scripted enemys just pop up. in all installations before you could take an over view and orientate and think how you will got through the map. now there are no enemies until you reach a certain point, then they just pop up and it ends up in a spray run gun, totally boring

really! I mean it the way i say it, Veags is the most boring part of "Rainbow Six" ever, especially when it comes to coop and terrorist hunt.

[randolfphe]

exactly, every single mission is made up of mini-shooting gallery sections. you could be setting off grenades right next to a room full of hostages and no one hears it.

the enemy actions are comprised of "spawn, converge on player, take cover, shoot" gone are "idle, patrol, retreat, etc" there are some nice details to the new ai, but the way they are introduced on each map is boring and unrealistic.

[tUBIornot2B]

@Pace-Ger.....zzzz.zzzz.zzzz, yawn....go back and read between the lines of my post....you may get it eventually.

Oh....and why not actually try to beat that time on that level with 2 players......zzzz.zzzzz.zzzz

EDIT : LOL....hab's erst jetzt erkannt....doch, ich kenne das BGB....nur das teil wo die frau aus dem fenster springt weil ihr mann ein affaere mit dem doktor hat, war mir zu kompliziert.

[Ghost_Hybrid]

Originally posted by Operator.SF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghost_Hybrid:

A game isnt perfect and never will be, dont set your expectations higher than you have set for yourself.

There are plenty of titles coming out in the near futre that will have the support and care that you desire. UBI isnt the last dinasaur of publishers, sometimes you have to let a person choke themselves instead of you trying to do the choking.



well.. I expect my game to run out of the box.. on mp... as advertised. I dont set goals for my self all that high anymore.. but I do expect to be able to make it through my day with out crashing... in any make or manner. So asking ubi to deliver a game at least runs... isn't all that lofty.
And as far as future releases? We could care less about them. We want our moneys worth for what we've already bought. A large portion of us bought this game (and even upgraded our systems for this game..and future releases) strictly for mp. some of us never play sp and dont want to. the game was advertised as being multiplayer ready... and its, judging by the number of people playing now... 8 I think... is obviously not ready for mp. Some of us aren't content to watch ubi die a slow death.. we want our moneys worth. screw their journey to the top.. it aint my problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bare in mind that you ultimately are responsible for the games you decide to buy.

The game wasnt slammed on your doorstep; and the fedex guy didnt hold a gun to your head and say, "Pay for this game or your little doggie gets it!"

Your inability to research whether or not this very game was working well for others was your own fault.

You expect so much but do so little to protect yourself and than you blame others for your own mistakes.

Plain and simple;

The next time UBI is about to release a game, this time read, ask questions and actually stop buying into a marketing campaign, cause franctally, your the reason its so easy to sell half baked products.

[T1mberw0lf]

Originally posted by Ghost_Hybrid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator.SF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghost_Hybrid:

A game isnt perfect and never will be, dont set your expectations higher than you have set for yourself.

There are plenty of titles coming out in the near futre that will have the support and care that you desire. UBI isnt the last dinasaur of publishers, sometimes you have to let a person choke themselves instead of you trying to do the choking.



well.. I expect my game to run out of the box.. on mp... as advertised. I dont set goals for my self all that high anymore.. but I do expect to be able to make it through my day with out crashing... in any make or manner. So asking ubi to deliver a game at least runs... isn't all that lofty.
And as far as future releases? We could care less about them. We want our moneys worth for what we've already bought. A large portion of us bought this game (and even upgraded our systems for this game..and future releases) strictly for mp. some of us never play sp and dont want to. the game was advertised as being multiplayer ready... and its, judging by the number of people playing now... 8 I think... is obviously not ready for mp. Some of us aren't content to watch ubi die a slow death.. we want our moneys worth. screw their journey to the top.. it aint my problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bare in mind that you ultimately are responsible for the games you decide to buy.

The game wasnt slammed on your doorstep; and the fedex guy didnt hold a gun to your head and say, "Pay for this game or your little doggie gets it!"

Your inability to research whether or not this very game was working well for others was your own fault.

You expect so much but do so little to protect yourself and than you blame others for your own mistakes.

Plain and simple;

The next time UBI is about to release a game, this time read, ask questions and actually stop buying into a marketing campaign, cause franctally, your the reason its so easy to sell half baked products. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I agree we should research before buying any product, I don't think it's stupid to assume that a product does what it's supposed to do. To what extend, quality, how long it lasts, those should be open for debate. But it's main function should work. If I go to walmart and buy a 30 dollar microwave instead of a 100 dollar microwave, it should heat my food. Regardless of price or anything else...it's labeled a microwave, it should microwave things. Software should run.

Now if all we were complaining about was SADS, then I'd say you have a 100% great point, as SADS were never advertised on the box, or necessary to run.

[Ghost_Hybrid]

And I agree with you that if you buy a microwave it should work.

Theres a strong possibility that when the industry passed a law that says, you can not return used pc software for money's or trade in of any other new software.

We the honest pc owners suffered. There is a fine line between finished product and just plain false advertising, and the consumers have yet to take action to change this trend.

How can so many people be truely concerned on whether they were sold quality software, be so uneducated on how to actually make a change?

I myself have fallen victim to buying before researching, now I will buy the game, leave it in its package and read about it on the net.

If the problems out weigh the hype I return it.

[jimmycroft]

Originally posted by Ghost_Hybrid:
And I agree with you that if you buy a microwave it should work.

Theres a strong possibility that when the industry passed a law that says, you can not return used pc software for money's or trade in of any other new software.

We the honest pc owners suffered. There is a fine line between finished product and just plain false advertising, and the consumers have yet to take action to change this trend.

How can so many people be truely concerned on whether they were sold quality software, be so uneducated on how to actually make a change?

I myself have fallen victim to buying before researching, now I will buy the game, leave it in its package and read about it on the net.

If the problems out weigh the hype I return it.

so it is the consumers fault if a product does not work as it is sup0osed to?? i don't think so. it is a very poor customer service pokicy that ubi uses. they put out games, patch them inefficently, and do not respond to consumer questions. now you can talk all you want about "how to change that" but fact is, it's the ones responsible for setting ubi policy tha are the most at fault. hte game does not work as it should, and should be fixed.