sam

[dune117]

is sam is awsome! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


agree?

[Stealth_chill]

welcome to the forums kid , youll see why this thread is funna go in the wrong direction http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[ZeroNG000]

O.o wow. Really now?

[Stealth_chill]

mhm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[osborne10]

he has a point sam is a cool guy

[ERN456]

Originally posted by osborne10:
he has a point sam is a cool guy

Was a cool guy before DA now he lost his humor and he is no longer the same person thanks to UBISOFT who decided they needed to change the story to see more of Sam's human side.

[ZeroNG000]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif Why...why...? All this was is for people to agree Sam is awesome. While not needed in the slightest in my opinion, there was no need for that. Everyone here who has been here longer than 5 minutes knows you feel that way. And those that don't can just read every other thread and figure it out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

[harbi_117]

Indeed, He Is Awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by osborne10:
he has a point sam is a cool guy

Was a cool guy before DA now he lost his humor and he is no longer the same person thanks to UBISOFT who decided they needed to change the story to see more of Sam's human side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ern there is really no need to spam every thread with the same complaints http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Dneye]

Yea, Sam so rocks my socks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Liked him better when he had a sense of humor.

[Vth_F_Smith_]

He definitely is cool and will be even better in Conviction! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[osborne10]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by osborne10:
he has a point sam is a cool guy

Was a cool guy before DA now he lost his humor and he is no longer the same person thanks to UBISOFT who decided they needed to change the story to see more of Sam's human side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ern there is really no need to spam every thread with the same complaints http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>lol

[blackhawk603]

who the hell is this guy!!!!!!!!!!

[savior2006]

Originally posted by blackhawk603:
who the hell is this guy!!!!!!!!!!
A complete idiot in my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[featherfoot07]

Originally posted by blackhawk603:
who the hell is this guy!!!!!!!!!!


get out of here. if you don't even know who he is why are you here?!!!

[crespo1]

Originally posted by dune117:
is sam is awsome! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


agree?

spam spam spam spam , i only see this thread going one way <span class="ev_code_RED">LOCKED</span>, interestling enough on topic he lost his coolness in double agent , hope that answers your question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ZeroNG000]

He didn't lose his coolness, it just got channeled in the wrong way by Shanghai. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

[featherfoot07]

I'm proud of you kid, you figured that out all by yourself.

[oO_ShadowFox_Oo]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
He definitely is cool and will be even better in Conviction! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'd have to disagree there. Sam is only cool because of the things he does, similar to James Bond.

It's situations that can give the perception of people being cool.

James is cool because he gets to mess with cool gadgets, drive the best cars, play poker at high stakes and get with the best looking ladies. Take all those away and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be cool. Rather he'd just be a cold, insulting smart alek with a bad attitude.

Putting Sam in a hoodie with a big scruffy beard on him doesn't make him cool, it makes him quite sad to be honest as it shows you how far he's fallen from grace...

[Aj6627]

You have to remember, Smith/Chris is a paid employee of Ubi, so he might get fired if he says that Sam will be uncool in Conviction.

[RowdySpy1990]

Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
Putting Sam in a hoodie with a big scruffy beard on him doesn't make him cool...
I thought Sam's beard was cool... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Dneye]

I thought they had to add the beard just cause of his new hairstyle, to kinda 'Man-up' his new look. Without the beard some might label Sam's new look as "Too Pretty". They might start saying he belongs in a Final Fantasy game (Which is just silly, but people complain like that). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[osborne10]

well the beard matches the mood in conviction,well ive said this before in another thread.but in 1,2,3 splinter cells' he had a professional look/military.then in da it was more of a rough/nothing to lose approach,and in conviction he is well a fugitive.cast out kicked to the side,plus it hides his identity.etc

[RowdySpy1990]

It's hard to get a haircut when your a fugitive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[osborne10]

^^^that too.lol

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

I like his new look. >_>

[Dneye]

Yea, I knida like his new look too. I don't know if I care for the beard though, it's just okay to me.

[crespo1]

im utterly against his new look , sam for the sake of cheese GET A HAIRCUT !!!

[Dneye]

Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

[crespo1]

Originally posted by Dneye:
Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

god i hate it !! , i mean you didnt see jack bauer looking like a hobo when he was on the run neither jason bourne...

i mean i could totaly deal with the prison look as it gave sam some character even though double agent wasnt exactly the best game in the series atleast his image looked half decent , now he looks like a total tramp !!

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

god i hate it !! , i mean you didnt see jack bauer looking like a hobo when he was on the run neither jason bourne...

i mean i could totaly deal with the prison look as it gave sam some character even though double agent wasnt exactly the best game in the series atleast his image looked half decent , now he looks like a total tramp !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

those are tv and movies...they want them to look pretty.

And...I dunno...give it a rest? Quit complaining, seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Characters change over time, and the same with people, like you and me. If they wanted Sam's appearance to change, then they can, and they did.

[CoastalGirl]

Originally posted by xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

god i hate it !! , i mean you didnt see jack bauer looking like a hobo when he was on the run neither jason bourne...

i mean i could totaly deal with the prison look as it gave sam some character even though double agent wasnt exactly the best game in the series atleast his image looked half decent , now he looks like a total tramp !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

those are tv and movies...they want them to look pretty.

And...I dunno...give it a rest? Quit complaining, seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Characters change over time, and the same with people, like you and me. If they wanted Sam's appearance to change, then they can, and they did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If people don't like it, they're free to say so (just like any other aspect of the game). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

god i hate it !! , i mean you didnt see jack bauer looking like a hobo when he was on the run neither jason bourne...

i mean i could totaly deal with the prison look as it gave sam some character even though double agent wasnt exactly the best game in the series atleast his image looked half decent , now he looks like a total tramp !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

those are tv and movies...they want them to look pretty.

And...I dunno...give it a rest? Quit complaining, seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Characters change over time, and the same with people, like you and me. If they wanted Sam's appearance to change, then they can, and they did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If people don't like it, they're free to say so (just like any other aspect of the game). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It gets annoying.

[CoastalGirl]

You joined 11 days ago. How do you think the old-timers feel (and I ain't one of them, btw)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You don't have to like other people's opinions, but you should respect them.

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

I respect people's opinion, but I can make my own too about how I feel about their's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And just because I joined 11 days ago, doesn't mean I found this place 11 days ago. >_>

Someone who complains about a character's new look, is annoying. That's what urks me -as an artist and writer. I've made so many characters of my own since I started drawing when I was a little kid, and then wrote about when I started to be interested in writing stories in the 4th grade, and they've changed a lot over the years - mostly to improve them or changing their looks just because I can or to fit in with the storyline, or for a change of pace.

[maltoid]

I think that the new SC is rubish.

[crespo1]

Originally posted by maltoid:
I think that the new SC is rubish.

woow you think !! thats exactly what everybody has been saying on here for the god knows how long , and in response to shadow wolf just because some one complaines about a characters new look what difference does it make to you personaly , for your information everyone here has been complaining about sams new look for quite some time , so why choose now to decide that its annoying , my advice to you is to read the topics to see what we have been discussing over the past few months then you will see what the upset about this game is all about..

ive been coming here since 2004 and over the past few months all ive seen is new users flaming other users , i agree that we have the right to voice our opinon after all that is what forums are all about amongst other things , but seriously dude im not flaming you im just clarifying the point i made about sams new look , for me i dont like it and maybe you do which is fair enough , but seriously lets not get into a full arguement about this , i prefer the term a healthy debate , thats what keeps the splinter cell community alive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by crespo1:
i prefer the term a healthy debate , thats what keeps the splinter cell community alive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hear, hear! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Originally posted by Aj6627:
You have to remember, Smith/Chris is a paid employee of Ubi, so he might get fired if he says that Sam will be uncool in Conviction. I am a paid employee? Interesting. I guess I need to demand a few cheques from the last 10 months then, if that's true, because I didn't get any.

With all due respect AJ, you have no idea whatsoever about Ubi's internal company policy. I haven't heard of anyone getting fired because he or she stated a different opinion. Please get your facts straight. Ubi is much more liberal than you might think. However, Ubi is also more open minded when it comes to new things and concepts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[Aj6627]

Sorry, Chris. Last I knew you were working for their German team. My intel that I got must have been wrong.

[scworld]

They still dont get the age-old concept that DRM=bad. Look at the music-industry moving back from DRM already and look at the various sites with illegal stuff...

There's more money in subscriptions (WoW), microtransactions (BF Heroes), in-game ads and asking reasonable stuff (those bands selling their music for cheap, or the customer makes up his own value), without any restrictions (Sins of a Solar Empire).

That is the future. Ubi is living in the past and has always lived in the past when it comes to business concepts.

[crespo1]

Ubi is also more open minded when it comes to new things and concepts.

thats definatlely true as they have demonstrated that with sc conviction , i am however a firm beliver that a comunity is kept alive sharing and respecting other peoples opinions , as ive said so many times before ive been coming here since 2004 and the biggest changes ive seen over the past few months is the amount flaming ( in no way am disrespecting anyone who contributes to these forums but the flaming is mostly from new users )im all for growing the community as it shows how strong the franchise is , but seriously atleast read the rules before posting ??

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by Aj6627:
Sorry, Chris. Last I knew you were working for their German team. My intel that I got must have been wrong. No, not wrong but it's not up to date. True, I had the pleasure to work with the incredible people over there and I really enjoyed it to be part of the Team. In fact I'm still keeping the contact with almost everybody over there and who knows, maybe one day I'll have the pleasure to work with them again, but my contract was running out and as soon as I heard that my father was sick, I decided to no longer expand the contract and went back home.

After my father died October last year, I needed to take care of my mother as she had a terrible time. It took a loooong time and cost me a lot of power to get through all the things that happened after his death. To say it was a nightmare, would be an understatement. After my application for a job outside of my country hasn't been successful (How could it have been? The final phone interview round took place one day before my fathers funeral - of course I wasn't in the best condition.) I decided to no longer wait for another opportunity to pop up, but to move on, as soon as my mother's condition (and my own) was stable. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy half of the stuff, I had to go through 'til then. The rest is history.

To be honest, I sometimes feel myself like Sam Beckett in Quantum Leap because I always have to deal with the really tough situations and almost always on my own. Still, each time I thought I had solved another situation, I was waiting for my leap home (to stay in the analogy). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But back to the original subject:

Even while I was at Ubi, I voiced my opinion about this and that - even inside the Forum and it didn't bother anyone inside the company. Of course I can't force you to believe me, but I would definitely say it, if I wouldn't like a certain concept or model, or whatever. You can even run a search on the Forum and you'll see a few postings here and there where I did that in the past. Still, I prefer the constructive way, instead of spaming and hijacking every Thread (no pun intended).

Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
I'd have to disagree there. Sam is only cool because of the things he does, similar to James Bond. Now it's up to me, to disagree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sam as a character has a lot more personality, the problem is that if there would have been more interactions with Sarah or a Woman he fell in love with, it would have been more appearent, but after the first three games they tried to deal with his real personality "another way" (Double Agent) - showing the man beneath the mask (a soldier, a father, a friend). That's what Conviction is supposed to correct. Without the gadgets and the goggles, we will get to know the real Sam. We'll get to see if the situation he had to deal with in Double Agent has changed him (which is obviously the case), we will get to meet the real Sam Fisher and might even learn, why he doing what he doing. What drives him to save the US again and again, putting his life directly in the line of fire - without having a backup plan. He is cool because of his voice, because of his dark sense of humour, because he is a thinking soldier that sometimes questions those who give him an order, but also because he has a conviction and that's what he's really fighting for - not the money. He's fighting for the people who can't fight for themselves.
James is cool because he gets to mess with cool gadgets, drive the best cars, play poker at high stakes and get with the best looking ladies. Take all those away and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be cool. Rather he'd just be a cold, insulting smart alek with a bad attitude. Possibly, but Sam is the exact opposite of a James Bond (not counting the new "Daniel Craig" style). He doesn't care about the best ladies, cars or even gadgets because he simply doesn't need any of that. He is fighting for what he believes - the safety & freedom of others who can't fight for themselves. Even after the tragic events in SCDA he still keeps going. Even although the authorities are hunting him - using all the tools at their disposal - even although the odds are completely against him, he still does what needs to be done in order to keep others save.
Putting Sam in a hoodie with a big scruffy beard on him doesn't make him cool, it makes him quite sad to be honest as it shows you how far he's fallen from grace... Exactly. But it also gives us the opportunity to get to know the real Sam Fisher - the one that doesn't need any gadgets to set things right. The one who suffered terribly because of Sarah's accident, the one who dealt with the loss of the only person he began to love after a veeerry long time. The one that is not just a super spy but also just a man.

[Aj6627]

Ok. I'm sorry to hear about your family.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by Aj6627:
Ok. I'm sorry to hear about your family.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Thank you. Life continues...somehow. Let's get back to the subject and I'd like to apologize for the part of my posting in which I got a little carried away.

[oO_ShadowFox_Oo]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
Now it's up to me, to disagree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sam as a character has a lot more personality, the problem is that if there would have been more interactions with Sarah or a Woman he fell in love with, it would have been more appearent, but after the first three games they tried to deal with his real personality "another way" (Double Agent) - showing the man beneath the mask (a soldier, a father, a friend). That's what Conviction is supposed to correct. Without the gadgets and the goggles, we will get to know the real Sam. We'll get to see if the situation he had to deal with in Double Agent has changed him (which is obviously the case), we will get to meet the real Sam Fisher and might even learn, why he doing what he doing. What drives him to save the US again and again, putting his life directly in the line of fire - without having a backup plan. He is cool because of his voice, because of his dark sense of humour, because he is a thinking soldier that sometimes questions those who give him an order, but also because he has a conviction and that's what he's really fighting for - not the money. He's fighting for the people who can't fight for themselves.

But we all already know all of this from the first 3 games Smith. Is this game going to really REALLY confirm that? Does it really have to? No! This game is going to be showing us how far Sam is going to go to save his own skin. Sure he comes out of hiding to help Grimsdottir, but he's essentially out to save himself. I mean this is a Tom Clancy character we're talking about. The strength and proof of his character's mettle is shown through the actions in the heat of battle/events. The sad attempt to show Sam's 'real' character in DA just made him darker and moodier, and frankly a much weaker character. I really can't see how Sam is going to change a whole lot in this title apart from just being a little bit moodier, a lot less humorous and probably a bit angrier towards the end. If this is character progression then I'm not really impressed!


Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
Possibly, but Sam is the exact opposite of a James Bond (not counting the new "Daniel Craig" style). He doesn't care about the best ladies, cars or even gadgets because he simply doesn't need any of that. He is fighting for what he believes - the safety & freedom of others who can't fight for themselves. Even after the tragic events in SCDA he still keeps going. Even although the authorities are hunting him - using all the tools at their disposal - even although the odds are completely against him, he still does what needs to be done in order to keep others save.

It also gives us the opportunity to get to know the real Sam Fisher - the one that doesn't need any gadgets to set things right. The one who suffered terribly because of Sarah's accident, the one who dealt with the loss of the only person he began to love after a veeerry long time. The one that is not just a super spy but also just a man.

You're missing my point here. I wasn't comparing Sam's 'coolness' to Bond's 'coolness'. I was explaining why James Bond is cool and that if you took this out of the equation then you're left with just a massively less interesting character. He's just a smart mouthed ******* who likes his ladies, frankly. Sam's the same in that if you remove things like his gadgets, unofficial (yet official) State backing, foreign operational locations and an interesting roster of support characters your left with just Sam who's moody and bitter cause he's lost his daughter and 'girlfriend' (which I think had NOOOOO PLACE IN THE SERIES!! He's on a mission, not a dating game)

I can't believe someone's arguing that Sam would be cooler with the suit/goggles/gagets and support team! Come on, while I have to respect your opinion I think what you mean is that it will be cool to see Sam in a different light.

Every spy series is made cool by it's fancy gagets, and the only way I can see this title being remotely cooler is that if it is LOADED with well executed old skool spy tricks that don't become over used and flat, and frankly I think it's a bit of a tall order seeing as we really only saw 1, maybe 2 from the previous footage AND we're told that the gameplay isn't really going to resemble what we saw

[ZeroNG000]

Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
Every spy series is made cool by it's fancy gagets, and the only way I can see this title being remotely cooler is that if it is LOADED with well executed old skool spy tricks that don't become over used and flat, and frankly I think it's a bit of a tall order seeing as we really only saw 1, maybe 2 from the previous footage AND we're told that the gameplay isn't really going to resemble what we saw

Soo...you didn't like Splinter Cell for it's stealth mechanics...you just liked it because you get an optic cable and some other stuff...? I really hope that I'm missing your point, because if I'm not, then I feel very sad for you.

[oO_ShadowFox_Oo]

Originally posted by ZeroNG000:
Soo...you didn't like Splinter Cell for it's stealth mechanics...you just liked it because you get an optic cable and some other stuff...? I really hope that I'm missing your point, because if I'm not, then I feel very sad for you.

Of course I liked it for it's stealth gameplay mechanics, but alot of which was based on the utilisation of a weaponised array of fancy gadgets that were at sam's disposal.

It's much cooler using an optical camera that has two supporting vision modes than sticking a mirror around a corner.

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I thought Sam's beard was cool... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It would look better if it was a five o'clock shadow.

It's tougher, grittier, etc.

This one is just fluffy and lovable. Not Sam Fisher style... >_>

[ZeroNG000]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
It would look better if it was a five o'clock shadow.

It's tougher, grittier, etc.

This one is just fluffy and lovable. Not Sam Fisher style... >_>

Yes, five o'clock shadow would be better.

[Dneye]

Yes, but the people chasing him is looking for a tough gritty guy with a five o'clock shadow and a bald head.

So, it would make sense to get a look that's the complete opposite: Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol.

EDIT: You know, after looking at Vth_F_Smith's banner, makes me see the huge change Sam has made.
And if I seen Cute fluffy Sam on the street, I would so not say that it's the same tough gritty Sam that I know.

[crespo1]

Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol.

hmm or in sams case just for men to get rid of the grey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[Dneye]

Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol.

hmm or in sams case just for men to get rid of the grey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea! He does remind me of Just for men, lol.
I could see him using it.
I could also see him posing on the cover of a box of Just for Men.

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
But we all already know all of this from the first 3 games Smith. Is this game going to really REALLY confirm that? Does it really have to? No! This game is going to be showing us how far Sam is going to go to save his own skin. Sure he comes out of hiding to help Grimsdottir, but he's essentially out to save himself. I mean this is a Tom Clancy character we're talking about. The strength and proof of his character's mettle is shown through the actions in the heat of battle/events. The sad attempt to show Sam's 'real' character in DA just made him darker and moodier, and frankly a much weaker character. I really can't see how Sam is going to change a whole lot in this title apart from just being a little bit moodier, a lot less humorous and probably a bit angrier towards the end. If this is character progression then I'm not really impressed! I can't get into detail, but although this game is about Sam's character, it's not just about Sam saving his own skin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You're missing my point here. I wasn't comparing Sam's 'coolness' to Bond's 'coolness'. I was explaining why James Bond is cool and that if you took this out of the equation then you're left with just a massively less interesting character. He's just a smart mouthed ******* who likes his ladies, frankly. Sam's the same in that if you remove things like his gadgets, unofficial (yet official) State backing, foreign operational locations and an interesting roster of support characters your left with just Sam who's moody and bitter cause he's lost his daughter and 'girlfriend' (which I think had NOOOOO PLACE IN THE SERIES!! He's on a mission, not a dating game) Sorry, but I still disagree. The girlfriend is actually quite logical. Sam suffers because of what happened to Sarah. He suffers so terrible, that he decided to reach out for someone, who helps him to get through this pain. As Lambert isn't available and neither are his other colleagues, he reaches out for the person, he has the most sympathy for which is Enrica. He's basically looking for someone who can fill the large gap inside his heart, which was caused by the loss of the last family member.
I can't believe someone's arguing that Sam would be cooler with the suit/goggles/gagets and support team! Come on, while I have to respect your opinion I think what you mean is that it will be cool to see Sam in a different light. I'm not arguing, I only state my opinion, just like you state yours. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Every spy series is made cool by it's fancy gagets, and the only way I can see this title being remotely cooler is that if it is LOADED with well executed old skool spy tricks that don't become over used and flat, and frankly I think it's a bit of a tall order seeing as we really only saw 1, maybe 2 from the previous footage AND we're told that the gameplay isn't really going to resemble what we saw It won't resemble what you saw, that's correct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[crespo1]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol.

hmm or in sams case just for men to get rid of the grey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea! He does remind me of Just for men, lol.
I could see him using it.
I could also see him posing on the cover of a box of Just for Men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well he certainly has the hair for it *coughs did someone say double agent*

[Dneye]

Okay, I now have a question about Sam.
In one of the photos on DA for the xbox, I seen Sam with a head full hair after he went to prison [And went bald]. Was that a wig or was that his real hair?

[crespo1]

well im assuming that they shaved his hair of when he went to prison because in real life they usualy shave your hair in prison when it gets to long because of fleas and lice (not that ive ever been to prison)but i know people who have..

[Dneye]

Alright, it was a bit hard to find. But from it looked like to me is that Sam went from bald Sam to the left. To head full of hair Sam in the middle?
http://www.driverheaven.net/gamingreviews/splintercellDA/top.jpg

[crespo1]

Originally posted by Dneye:
Alright, it was a bit hard to find. But from it looked like to me is that Sam went from bald Sam to the left. To head full of hair Sam in the middle?
http://www.driverheaven.net/gamingreviews/splintercellDA/top.jpg

oh yeah i see exactly what you mean , but if remember the opening sequence to da before sam went to prison he had hair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by crespo1:
well im assuming that they shaved his hair of when he went to prison because in real life they usualy shave your hair in prison when it gets to long because of fleas and lice (not that ive ever been to prison)but i know people who have.. And it's not just because of that, but it also helps to break your will to resist.

[soron]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
It won't resemble what you saw, that's correct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ooo Maybe there is hope yet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is the best news I have heard about this game.

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by soron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
It won't resemble what you saw, that's correct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ooo Maybe there is hope yet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That is the best news I have heard about this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Then again, you have only seen a small glimpse of the concept - barely scrated the surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[soron]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
Then again, you have only seen a small glimpse of the concept - barely scrated the surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So there maybe no hope after all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by soron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
Then again, you have only seen a small glimpse of the concept - barely scrated the surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So there maybe no hope after all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>From my perspective there never was a reason to lose any hope! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[soron]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
From my perspective there never was a reason to lose any hope! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well I was really disappointed when I saw that preview back in 2007, and even more so as the time goes by with out any word of whats going on.

[RowdySpy1990]

I honestly would like to see what they plan on doing for multiplayer. Even if the SP isn't all that great, it's really the multiplayer for me that makes or breaks the game.

Convictions is going to have a multiplayer, right?

[ZeroNG000]

Montreal were the ones who put in the Co-Op. They were the ones who put it in their version of DA. Hopefully it'll be the same with this. Hopefully...

[RowdySpy1990]

Montreal did do a great job with the co-op, but it was shanghai who created the original multiplayer experience. From my experience, the multiplayer from Pandora was the best, with Chaos Theory taking second place. I enjoyed SCDA's multiplayer, but it just isn't comparable.

[wallz0r]

it was shanghai who created the original multiplayer experience.

Wasn't it Ubisoft Annecy the one who made the MP for SC: PT?

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by Dneye:
So, it would make sense to get a look that's the complete opposite: Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol. Or he could just hide in the shadows, and then he wouldn't have to give a crap about how he looks because nobody would see him, ever.

He could dress up in a goth clown outfit if he really wanted to.

[Dneye]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
So, it would make sense to get a look that's the complete opposite: Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol. Or he could just hide in the shadows, and then he wouldn't have to give a crap about how he looks because nobody would see him, ever.

He could dress up in a goth clown outfit if he really wanted to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, but then that would mean that he could never go out in the day time. And at least if he is seen, no one would recognize him. Better safe then sorry.

And I can't even picture him as a goth clown, lol.

[Sam007Fisher]

Well I was really disappointed when I saw that preview back in 2007, and even more so as the time goes by with out any word of whats going on.


Me too...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

If UBI pull S/S off right, then SC: C could have a fighting chance. But no info and constant delays without reasons (besides for "we are improving the game...etc) turned me off SC and i started looking for something else.

I was speaking to some of my gaming friends about SC: C today and they all thought that it had been cancelled!



Convictions is going to have a multiplayer, right?


Yes, it will. It will a "Crowd" experience where the other players will look like civilians...well that is what it was back in 2007. It could've changed but...we will never know till we all look down from heaven at earth in the year 4000.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by osborne10:
he has a point sam is a cool guy

Was a cool guy before DA now he lost his humor and he is no longer the same person thanks to UBISOFT who decided they needed to change the story to see more of Sam's human side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It's still logical... and Sam is still awesome.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
So, it would make sense to get a look that's the complete opposite: Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol. Or he could just hide in the shadows, and then he wouldn't have to give a crap about how he looks because nobody would see him, ever.

He could dress up in a goth clown outfit if he really wanted to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah... just don't ever use the NV goggles, lol

[RowdySpy1990]

I would be much more scared if I saw a goth clown hiding in the shadows than if I saw a government hired spy with an SC-20k pointed at me.

[Vth_F_Smith_]

Originally posted by wallz0r:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it was shanghai who created the original multiplayer experience.

Wasn't it Ubisoft Annecy the one who made the MP for SC: PT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And I believe Milan was the Team behind the Coop Mode, although I'm not sure how deep they were involved in the actual creation of this revolutionary gameplay experience. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I once had a few really nice ideas for an even more intense coop. Well, Ubi got them, so it's up to them to decide if they want to make use of them or not. However with a few modifications here and there they might even work in the Conviction setting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I thought Sam's beard was cool... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It would look better if it was a five o'clock shadow.

It's tougher, grittier, etc.

This one is just fluffy and lovable. Not Sam Fisher style... >_> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh... I think that's the idea. He's on the run, his style needs to change somewhat... Plus, since when did the beard and hair meant it was a fluffy character? Sam is old... he'll get the fact that back in the 60s and 70s, facial hair was a way of telling people that you weren't gay... I think he was one to actually wear a beard, lol. But of course that culture stuff, and it can have its own meanings. His beard is more practical than that. Hell even the five o'clock shadow was practical. In medical practice one of the things you have to do with your beard is not to shave it. If you are in a hospital without air conditioner, you shave your beard, you leave exposed holes on your skin and it is easier to catch more than just a cold in such a surrounding. Seeing how Sam has to deal with various different things concerning biological weapons, it is only practical. I think he would just shave once his feet touch the floor of his house... and who knows, lol.

But of course, being an SC fan, you know from the beginning, Sam has always being practical. He doesn't take extra weight with him just what he needs (no endless bullets, lol). The long beard and 'long' hair seems practical enough if you wanna hide and look out of the perspective of the common person. His old look would keep him in soldier status. You would look at him and say "soldier" now you look at him and say and I quote "This one is just fluffy and lovable. Not Sam Fisher style... >_>". That is the idea... the "Don't judge a book by its cover" thing.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Pantene hair complete with a fluffy beard! Lol.

hmm or in sams case just for men to get rid of the grey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea! He does remind me of Just for men, lol.
I could see him using it.
I could also see him posing on the cover of a box of Just for Men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Though I don't see him using it, but its still lol worthy! HA HA... another joke Grim can use on Sam, lol

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
Whaaa?! Lol, you don't like Sam's new hairdo?
I think it kinda gives him a cute boyish look. Aw!

[And I'd take that look any day over his last 'Prison' look]

god i hate it !! , i mean you didnt see jack bauer looking like a hobo when he was on the run neither jason bourne...

i mean i could totaly deal with the prison look as it gave sam some character even though double agent wasnt exactly the best game in the series atleast his image looked half decent , now he looks like a total tramp !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

*gasp* How dare you compare Fisher with Bauer or Bourne (Bourne is cool... but still)? LOL I just had to do that. But serious now... Sam is none of those guys, and I think it makes it more realistic... It's like when being in Uni... you grab the first thing with your eyes still closed to wear something, cause you're on the run! LOL. But yes, you are practical, and mostly forget about details. Imagine being a fugitive.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
You joined 11 days ago. How do you think the old-timers feel (and I ain't one of them, btw)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You don't have to like other people's opinions, but you should respect them.

As an old timer... I have no probs with Sam's new look... uh... don't look the date I joined... I wasn't here since a while (forgot my username and password, lol). But yeah, I would play either mission Sam is in, make it missions from Third Echelon, or in prison, or in your yard (if you have one), space, lava, whatever! lol. With fluffy hair, an afro, I DON'T CARE LOL! I would just play the game, cause I'm a fan ^^

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I would be much more scared if I saw a goth clown hiding in the shadows than if I saw a government hired spy with an SC-20k pointed at me.

I don't think I would feel scared... cause probably I wouldn't even know what to feel, lol

[MadamTampini]

Originally posted by SCSHADE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I would be much more scared if I saw a goth clown hiding in the shadows than if I saw a government hired spy with an SC-20k pointed at me.

I don't think I would feel scared... cause probably I wouldn't even know what to feel, lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't feel anything because I'd be dead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[calmoatcake]

Originally posted by MadamTampini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCSHADE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I would be much more scared if I saw a goth clown hiding in the shadows than if I saw a government hired spy with an SC-20k pointed at me.

I don't think I would feel scared... cause probably I wouldn't even know what to feel, lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't feel anything because I'd be dead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well with my ninga skills the agent would be dead before he even saw me so
id be feeling indifferent http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Dneye]

Originally posted by SCSHADE:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Though I don't see him using it, but its still lol worthy! HA HA... another joke Grim can use on Sam, lol

You can't picture Sam standing in a hotel bathroom bushing his beard while coloring it? Not just a little bit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[oO_ShadowFox_Oo]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCSHADE:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Though I don't see him using it, but its still lol worthy! HA HA... another joke Grim can use on Sam, lol

You can't picture Sam standing in a hotel bathroom bushing his beard while coloring it? Not just a little bit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course you can.....Why wouldn't he do it?

The white hair would reflect more light

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by MadamTampini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCSHADE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I would be much more scared if I saw a goth clown hiding in the shadows than if I saw a government hired spy with an SC-20k pointed at me.

I don't think I would feel scared... cause probably I wouldn't even know what to feel, lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't feel anything because I'd be dead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCSHADE:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Though I don't see him using it, but its still lol worthy! HA HA... another joke Grim can use on Sam, lol

You can't picture Sam standing in a hotel bathroom bushing his beard while coloring it? Not just a little bit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL No... actually I don't think he cares much about the gray hair.

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCSHADE:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Though I don't see him using it, but its still lol worthy! HA HA... another joke Grim can use on Sam, lol

You can't picture Sam standing in a hotel bathroom bushing his beard while coloring it? Not just a little bit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course you can.....Why wouldn't he do it?

The white hair would reflect more light </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He has gray, mostly gray hair... Hmmm... if he were to hide in shadows, I think he would just cut the hair back to soldier-like lol, or he could wear a hat, or a mask, or whatever ^^

[Sam007Fisher]

I think the reason that Sam has very long hair and a beard is because in DA, he was bald and roughly shaven.

His look in DA is going to be the last Rap-Sheet pic that the police had of him. So even if he grew his hair back to SC: CT's style, then he would still be noticable.

BUT....now that he has long hair and a long beard. He is going to be much harder to I.D..

Well...it's almost the end of the year and still no info....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[RowdySpy1990]

I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by Sam007Fisher:
I think the reason that Sam has very long hair and a beard is because in DA, he was bald and roughly shaven.

His look in DA is going to be the last Rap-Sheet pic that the police had of him. So even if he grew his hair back to SC: CT's style, then he would still be noticable.

BUT....now that he has long hair and a long beard. He is going to be much harder to I.D..

Well...it's almost the end of the year and still no info....http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Yeah I agree... and still no info... T.T

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[I_am_a_SC]

Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
He definitely is cool and will be even better in Conviction! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm not holding my breath!

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

I'm going to have nightmares now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[Dneye]

Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

This makes me wonder. Which is worse:

Old Folk Sam: Receding hairline that's covered by a bad comb over. He wears his pants pulled up to his armpits. He's got a little dun-lapped pot-belly, complete with a turkey neck.

-Or-

Midlife Crisis Sam: Dyes his hair blonde and spikes it. Gets his ear pierced. Wears tight "young mans" clothes to show off his 'still-in-shape' body. He also uses 'hip' slang words and listens to young folk music.

[CoastalGirl]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

This makes me wonder. Which is worse:

Old Folk Sam: Receding hairline that's covered by a bad comb over. He wears his pants pulled up to his armpits. He's got a little dun-lapped pot-belly, complete with a turkey neck.

-Or-

Midlife Crisis Sam: Dyes his hair blonde and spikes it. Gets his ear pierced. Wears tight "young mans" clothes to show off his 'still-in-shape' body. He also uses 'hip' slang words and listens to young folk music. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LoL IMO, Old Folk Sam would be way worse. I could probably laugh at Midlife Crisis Sam, but Old Folk Sam would just be creepy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

This makes me wonder. Which is worse:

Old Folk Sam: Receding hairline that's covered by a bad comb over. He wears his pants pulled up to his armpits. He's got a little dun-lapped pot-belly, complete with a turkey neck.

-Or-

Midlife Crisis Sam: Dyes his hair blonde and spikes it. Gets his ear pierced. Wears tight "young mans" clothes to show off his 'still-in-shape' body. He also uses 'hip' slang words and listens to young folk music. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way, Lambert would say something like...

"Sam. Go and take a psyche evaluation. Please, for the love of God, man." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"I don't have to, dude!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"It's an order!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"No! I don't want to!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"Don't make me take off my belt!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"You're not my dad!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif *runs off...slams the door behind him*

Grim: "WTF...?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by crespo1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maltoid:
I think that the new SC is rubish.

woow you think !! thats exactly what everybody has been saying on here for the god knows how long , and in response to shadow wolf just because some one complaines about a characters new look what difference does it make to you personaly , for your information everyone here has been complaining about sams new look for quite some time , so why choose now to decide that its annoying , my advice to you is to read the topics to see what we have been discussing over the past few months then you will see what the upset about this game is all about..

ive been coming here since 2004 and over the past few months all ive seen is new users flaming other users , i agree that we have the right to voice our opinon after all that is what forums are all about amongst other things , but seriously dude im not flaming you im just clarifying the point i made about sams new look , for me i dont like it and maybe you do which is fair enough , but seriously lets not get into a full arguement about this , i prefer the term a healthy debate , thats what keeps the splinter cell community alive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>\

"thats exactly what everybody has been saying..."

Actually I've seen about 5 to 6 people... they are all the same, or some random fan that leaves one sentence as an argument, lol. But yes, I've been only seen the same people ranting. So I have to disagree with you (except the argument and healthy debate part... I totally agree with you).

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

This makes me wonder. Which is worse:

Old Folk Sam: Receding hairline that's covered by a bad comb over. He wears his pants pulled up to his armpits. He's got a little dun-lapped pot-belly, complete with a turkey neck.

-Or-

Midlife Crisis Sam: Dyes his hair blonde and spikes it. Gets his ear pierced. Wears tight "young mans" clothes to show off his 'still-in-shape' body. He also uses 'hip' slang words and listens to young folk music. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way, Lambert would say something like...

"Sam. Go and take a psyche evaluation. Please, for the love of God, man." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"I don't have to, dude!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"It's an order!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"No! I don't want to!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"Don't make me take off my belt!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"You're not my dad!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif *runs off...slams the door behind him*

Grim: "WTF...?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DOES NOT COMPILE IN GRIM'S LOGIC! HA HA!

[SCSHADE]

Originally posted by I_am_a_SC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vth_F_Smith_:
He definitely is cool and will be even better in Conviction! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm not holding my breath! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing yet, since we've seen nothing... O_O Just a vid that no longer goes with how the game looks for what I've been reading around here... Besides, if it was, we've only seen... uh... basically nothing, lol

[RowdySpy1990]

Originally posted by SCSHADE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dneye:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RowdySpy1990:
I'm just glad that sam isn't getting a receding hairline. I'd hate to see him balding on the top with mabey a combover or something. *shivers*

This makes me wonder. Which is worse:

Old Folk Sam: Receding hairline that's covered by a bad comb over. He wears his pants pulled up to his armpits. He's got a little dun-lapped pot-belly, complete with a turkey neck.

-Or-

Midlife Crisis Sam: Dyes his hair blonde and spikes it. Gets his ear pierced. Wears tight "young mans" clothes to show off his 'still-in-shape' body. He also uses 'hip' slang words and listens to young folk music. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way, Lambert would say something like...

"Sam. Go and take a psyche evaluation. Please, for the love of God, man." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"I don't have to, dude!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"It's an order!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

"No! I don't want to!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"Don't make me take off my belt!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"You're not my dad!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif *runs off...slams the door behind him*

Grim: "WTF...?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL DOES NOT COMPILE IN GRIM'S LOGIC! HA HA! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Grim's still pimp tho

I'd hate to see old sam, you know how muscular people look like when they're old and haven't worked out in decades.....like Arnold http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Sam...80 years old: "I am Sam Fisher. I was a Splinter Cell."

Grim: "Who is now really old and looks like a prune with trident goggles on. Speaking of prunes...do you want your prune juice, old man?"

Sam: "Shut up."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[CoastalGirl]

:: shudder ::

You guys are gonna give me nightmares... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

I'm sorry...http://www.mangafrance.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blingeye.gif



http://www.mangafrance.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/itchingsmile.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
:: shudder ::

You guys are gonna give me nightmares... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I'm with you, they're killing the image I have of a rather nice muscular Sam
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

[xXsh4d0w.w0lfXx]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
:: shudder ::

You guys are gonna give me nightmares... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I'm with you, they're killing the image I have of a rather nice muscular Sam
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<_< Then I'm really sorry.

>_> I can make up for killing your ultra sexy image of Sam Fisher. Wanna read my fan fic? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Oh and uh...

"Where's your sense of humor?" - Sam Fisher, PT

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[RowdySpy1990]

I still think Sam's traditional look, with the short hair and grey side burns, are the best. I remember watching the special features on the first splinter cell disc, where they showed concept art of what they thought the character should look like. I remember some of the choices were a Duke Nukem type character, a grumpy marine sargent who was MUCH older than Sam, and some other funny options http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[CoastalGirl]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think I'm gonna go watch the Ellsworth intro... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[Dneye]

Originally posted by CoastalGirl:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think I'm gonna go watch the Ellsworth intro... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LOL, oh my gosh!! Yea, I remember the first time I seen it. I was like "Oooh!! Sam doesn't have any clothes on!! They can show that?!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif
*Cough*It was pretty hot though*Cough*