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Brimtown
10-26-2006, 12:45 PM
Women outnumber men in online gaming (http://tech.msn.com/products/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1056428)


While male video gamers still outnumber women 2 to 1, women have the edge in online games, a survey has found.

Of the 117 million active gamers in the U.S., 56 percent play games online. Sixty-four percent of those online gamers are female, according to results of the survey, released by Nielsen Entertainment on Thursday.

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mmubaldi
10-26-2006, 04:46 PM
I blame Nintendogs.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Psyche_FD
10-26-2006, 05:06 PM
nice! this is good to hear yay ladies!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadamTampini
10-26-2006, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by mmubaldi:
I blame Nintendogs.

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ShadowSkullV5
10-26-2006, 05:35 PM
So if I ever spurt a flirtatious comment online, I finally be able to not regret it. Since the players will be 8% more likely to be female. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Cool now i feel somewhat inferior.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-26-2006, 06:14 PM
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Jinx FD
10-26-2006, 06:24 PM
Please keep in mind that this is mostly going to consist of women playing online poker or minesweeper, but it's really a great indicator that women enjoy games as much as men... just maybe in a different way.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MuttonChopYaz
10-26-2006, 06:25 PM
Minesweeper... heh.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DocHolidazed
10-26-2006, 06:31 PM
Jinxy has a good point. This does not mean they are on console.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Loganissocool
10-26-2006, 06:48 PM
dont forget MMOs. Maybe it is the server I am on and the company I keep on WoW but there is an ish load of ladies. Soccergirl rules!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DocHolidazed
10-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Forgot about Wow. The ratio has to be in favor of the females.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mmubaldi
10-26-2006, 07:11 PM
I still blame Nintendogs.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-26-2006, 07:14 PM
I blame MMOs<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Canuckmikes
10-26-2006, 07:20 PM
That's right - I play games online to pick up chicks.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mmubaldi
10-26-2006, 08:16 PM
I now partially blame Stein.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Magiz
10-26-2006, 08:38 PM
An interesting piece of information. It's nice to hear things are a bit more balanced.

Oh...

I'd like to blame, Nintendogs, MMOs (WoW, Guild Wars and so on and so on), Halo(2) and yes Mr. Stein.

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maddogtannen316
10-27-2006, 12:15 AM
more women than men? uh huh.......

so where are they?

Ninja Kn1ght
10-27-2006, 02:11 AM
Yes but at least 70% of that 64% are fat guys in their underwear pretending to be female.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DigitalChaos19
10-27-2006, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Ninja_Kn1ght:
Yes but at least 70% of that 64% are fat guys in their underwear pretending to be female.

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10-27-2006, 02:34 AM
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Brownsnakeeyes
10-27-2006, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by DocHolidazed:
Jinxy has a good point. This does not mean they are on console.

It's great that more women are playing but Jinx does have a valid point here. I hardly ever play with women in games. I believe the console % is way down there. Most off them are women at work playing games like minesweeper on there breaks or while there supposed to be working. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ILuStriousK
10-27-2006, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by DigitalChaos19:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninja_Kn1ght:
Yes but at least 70% of that 64% are fat guys in their underwear pretending to be female.

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MadamTampini
10-27-2006, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Ninja_Kn1ght:
Yes but at least 70% of that 64% are fat guys in their underwear pretending to be female.

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G4H_KingNothing
10-27-2006, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Jinx FD:
Please keep in mind that this is mostly going to consist of women playing online poker or minesweeper, but it's really a great indicator that women enjoy games as much as men... just maybe in a different way.
Yeah, you make a good point. I don't consider anyone a real "gamer" who plays minesweeper or poker on a PC. Regardless of whether they are men or women.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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G4H_KingNothing
10-27-2006, 02:03 PM
I don't think its ever going to be 50/50 on xbox live or other consoles. As far as PC it may get that close sometime down the road because of MMO's. Ladies needs to play shooters, not MMORPGs. MMORPG = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

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Jinx FD
10-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Let's play devil's advocate, KingNothing. Who are you to define what a gamer is? Who are you to decide what constitutes a game? You may argue that Halo is a game and Bejewelled is not, but games are supposed to be fun. So what if some women find Bejewelled to be fun and think Halo is the most boring thing in the world?

In my opinion a gamer is someone who plays games. Trying to define gamers by the certain types of games they play, and finding others unworthy because they don't enjoy the same games as you do, is a factor in why a lot of women are put off by "our" gaming culture.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Uh-oh, you went and made Jinx mad. Shame. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

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pdiep49
10-27-2006, 02:19 PM
Why must you two argue? A gamer is someone that plays games and gets frustrated at losing and happy at winning. There, problem solved :P<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Jinx FD
10-27-2006, 02:22 PM
I'm not mad at all! I just don't think it's logical to classify who is and is not a gamer based on the games they prefer. It's like saying you're not a fruit eater because you don't like pomegranates.

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seductivpancake
10-27-2006, 02:23 PM
Yeah even playing "Lets Count Sand", and "Nada 3" online makes you a gamer. So dont hate on the gamers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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G4H_KingNothing
10-27-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Jinx FD:
Let's play devil's advocate, KingNothing. Who are you to define what a gamer is? Who are you to decide what constitutes a game? You may argue that Halo is a game and Bejewelled is not, but games are supposed to be fun. So what if some women find Bejewelled to be fun and think Halo is the most boring thing in the world?

In my opinion a gamer is someone who plays games. Trying to define gamers by the certain types of games they play, and finding others unworthy because they don't enjoy the same games as you do, is a factor in why a lot of women are put off by "our" gaming culture.

I would define a gamer who goes out and pays for games. Whether its a console, PC, arcade, or portable. And actually plays them. I just don't consider someone a real gamer who plays minesweeper, solitare, or flash games as their only source of gaming. Say, if you bought a xbox 360 and only play poker I would say you are a gamer. You dished out the money for the console and the game. It doesn't matter what kind of games you play really. I am just saying you should at least pay for your games to be considered a gamer.

Another example would if a person goes to bar and plays video poker. Or go to vegas and plays the slot machines. In my opinion neither of those qualify you as a gamer.

Thats just my opinion. Maybe 99 of 100 people disagree with me, I don't know. And for the record I don't go around to various offices and say "hey, you are playing minesweeper please wear this "NOT A REAL GAMER" name tag." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Those kind of games are good though I think.. Maybe a woman plays those at work, then sees her brother, bf, friend, husband, etc. playing something similar on a handheld or console. I think those could be more of an introduction to different kinds of games.

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pdiep49
10-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by G4H_KingNothing:
And jinx is still awesome! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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G4H_KingNothing
10-27-2006, 03:03 PM
Meh, you like the Detroit Tigers. You're nothing to me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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pdiep49
10-27-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by G4H_KingNothing:
Meh, you like the Detroit Tigers. You're nothing to me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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DocHolidazed
10-27-2006, 03:17 PM
Jinx is right. King is wrong.

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G4H_KingNothing
10-27-2006, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by DocHolidazed:
Jinx is right. King is wrong.

The End.
I believe my grandmother plays solitare on her pc every once in awhile. So she is considered a gamer? I bet if I ask her the answer will be no.

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mmubaldi
10-27-2006, 06:19 PM
I now mostly blame Stein for flirting with grandmothers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MuttonChopYaz
10-27-2006, 07:08 PM
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10-28-2006, 02:00 PM
All I know is Fu_Schnicken's wife picked up a copy of the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire game of her own volition last week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Between Calyber, Otnemem, Fu, and myself, we will convert her. She's a gamer, she just doesn't want to dive in because she worries she will get "in" to it, or some such nonsense.

In so far as defining gamers, who F'ing cares? If you can open your mind to this, solitare actually the infancy of SP gaming campaigns.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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G4H_KingNothing
10-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by MuttonChopYaz:
Stop ambiguously defining things, kthx.
Hey, how about this is America, where we have freedom of speech. If you disagree then whatever. No big deal, don't have to get all worked up about it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MuttonChopYaz
10-28-2006, 06:17 PM
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G4H_KingNothing
10-28-2006, 07:09 PM
I hate the game "devils advocate" No more responding to this thread for me anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brimtown
10-29-2006, 08:55 AM
I am slowly working on converting my wife to the dark side. She loves her Katamari Damarcy and Destroy All Humans games on the PS2. She doesn't really touch the 360 much, except to play games like Hexic or Bejeweled. However, she is very interested in Viva Pinata.

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Uziyahu-IDF
10-29-2006, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by maddogtannen316:
more women than men? uh huh.......

so where are they?

They're at work, playing stupid Yahoo games when they should be doing their fair share.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TC_Stele
10-29-2006, 06:04 PM
Of the survey, I'm interested to know what particular online games they play?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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UkyoTachibana
10-29-2006, 06:30 PM
This is a ridiculous argument. If you play games, then you are a gamer. You can't get any more obvious than that.

This is just as silly as saying whales are less of a mammal because they live underwater, and that duckbilled platypi are more of a bird because they have bills and they lay eggs.

It doesn't matter what kind of games you play... whether it's chess, video poker, Magic the Gathering, or video games. As long as you play games, you are a gamer. One type of game, genre, or medium isn't superior over the other, and being a video gamer doesn't warrant you elite status as a "true" gamer, either.

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Brimtown
10-29-2006, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by maddogtannen316:
more women than men? uh huh.......

so where are they?

I've run into several women online in various games. However, judging from some of the reactions online and even from some of the posts on this forum, I imagine many of them simply refuse to make their identities known, and choose gender-neutral screen names.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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seductivpancake
10-29-2006, 07:34 PM
Arent there like hundreds of female members in PMS?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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G4H_KingNothing
10-30-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Seductivpancake:
Arent there like hundreds of female members in PMS?
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G4H_KingNothing
10-30-2006, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by UkyoTachibana:
This is a ridiculous argument. If you play games, then you are a gamer. You can't get any more obvious than that.

This is just as silly as saying whales are less of a mammal because they live underwater, and that duckbilled platypi are more of a bird because they have bills and they lay eggs.

It doesn't matter what kind of games you play... whether it's chess, video poker, Magic the Gathering, or video games. As long as you play games, you are a gamer. One type of game, genre, or medium isn't superior over the other, and being a video gamer doesn't warrant you elite status as a "true" gamer, either.

In fact, it took SO LONG for video games to finally catch popular media exposure, so why exactly are video gamers (console or PC) any more of a gamer than non-electronic gamers?

What, so you are saying people that just play chess, checkers, backgammon, shoots & ladders, monopoly, battleship, etc are gamers? If thats the case then women have been equal in gaming for yrs now. That makes no sense. It at least has to be a video or electronic game.

This reminds me of an agruement I had with a friend who tried to tell me that all fisherman, nascar drivers, and golfers are athletes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Adepta_Sororita
10-30-2006, 02:11 PM
People playing card games and board games are PLAYERs, GAMER is a separate term used for our kind... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brimtown
10-30-2006, 02:19 PM
Everyone knows you can't be a true gamer unless you throw around terms like "pWnd", "n00b", and "skillz" on a regular basis.

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UkyoTachibana
10-30-2006, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by G4H_KingNothing:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UkyoTachibana:
This is a ridiculous argument. If you play games, then you are a gamer. You can't get any more obvious than that.

This is just as silly as saying whales are less of a mammal because they live underwater, and that duckbilled platypi are more of a bird because they have bills and they lay eggs.

It doesn't matter what kind of games you play... whether it's chess, video poker, Magic the Gathering, or video games. As long as you play games, you are a gamer. One type of game, genre, or medium isn't superior over the other, and being a video gamer doesn't warrant you elite status as a "true" gamer, either.

In fact, it took SO LONG for video games to finally catch popular media exposure, so why exactly are video gamers (console or PC) any more of a gamer than non-electronic gamers?

What, so you are saying people that just play chess, checkers, backgammon, shoots & ladders, monopoly, battleship, etc are gamers? If thats the case then women have been equal in gaming for yrs now. That makes no sense. It at least has to be a video or electronic game.

This reminds me of an agruement I had with a friend who tried to tell me that all fisherman, nascar drivers, and golfers are athletes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just designated yourself a distinction. You are clearly arguing FOR electronic gamers, NOT the term "gamer", in general. "Gamer", in general, is a very vague and broad term, and even you can't argue against that.

And if you're going to bring up another argument, here's what I think of it:

Golfers: Are athletes. You'd still need to be in physical form to drive the golfballs. You'd still have to walk in between courses. And you need distinct golfing ability and knowledge of the game to even excel in it. Webster's definition of a sport: "a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in"

Fishermen: Are not athletes. If you're going by Webster's definition of a sport, fishing requires little to no athletic conditioning. Your success as a fisherman depends on your equipment (bait included), location of your fishing area, and the season.

Nascar Drivers: Are not athletes, either. In fact, I would even categorize themselves as entertainers. Although there is a clear prerequisite for one to be a fantastic driver, their physical condition doesn't/shouldn't have a direct effect on the outcome/success of a race. Their physical condition is only needed for endurance, and nothing more. Otherwise, one being "healthier" or "more athletic" doesn't guarantee you the checkered flag. It boils down to: 1) Your car 2) Your pit crew 3) Your own driving ability

Just as there shouldn't be a discrimination between all types of gamers, there is a CLEAR difference between:

1) A Gamer
2) An Athlete (of a sport)
3) An Entertainer
4) A Hobbyist (like a fisherman)

Notice that all 4 of my categories get themselves involved in a COMPETITION of some sort. However, each category has their own defining characteristics.

For instance, a fisherman isn't a "gamer" because fishing clearly isn't a game. Real-time fishing has little room for error, whereas a video game of fishing gives you infinite amounts of room for error, and you can repeat a process over and over, in case you fail.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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G4H_KingNothing
10-31-2006, 12:12 AM
I still don't think golfers are athletes. Or at least the majority of them. An example is John Daly. A fat guy who drives the ball long. He is just naturally good at that. Not to mention really old people can still play golf even when they are 75. I think an athlete has to be in exceptional shape and better than the average person. And I don't think pro golfers are. They don't even carry their own clubs like an amateur does.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mrobinson587
10-31-2006, 08:34 PM
I agree with KingNothing's arguments.
Golf is like billiards- athleticism not required but still a sport.

As far as gaming goes, if you just play bejeweled or yahoo poker or solitare I personally would not put that under the gamer category. Player is indeed a better category.

However if they play WOW, Counterstrike other games like that yes I'd say that is a gamer.

A more accurate statement might have been "Women make up a majority of online game players"

defining gamer as - somebody who goes out and pays for games is the best fit for the cultural definition of the word<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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UkyoTachibana
11-01-2006, 12:25 AM
lol, ummm, the term "Player" is yet another vague and broad term.

But it can BOTH apply to athletes AND gamers.

For instance:

1) Someone who plays Street Fighter = fighting game player

2) Someone who competes professionally in baseball = baseball player

In the same token, "player" cannot apply to hobbyists and entertainers. For instance:

1) A wrestler isn't called as a "wrestling player". He is a wrestler... an entertainer.

2) A deer hunter isn't a "hunting player". He is... a hunter... a man with an involved hobby (durr?)

A gamer, by dictionary definition, is simply put: "a person who regularly plays games. This is not a shocking discovery, people. :P<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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