Devs did their homework regarding background story

[atacms]

I've been following this political topic of ABM defenses for a while now, but for those who don't know, the game is rooted closely to what's going on today.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_Missile_Shield_Could...Warns_Putin_999.html (http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_Missile_Shield_Could_Relaunch_Arms_Race_Warns_P utin_999.html)

[PrinceCaspian5]

ya, i read that too, it sounds just like what happened in the game

[Bmer2020]

Yeah, but you guys are forgetting that the ABM defense systems are far from perfect. They have prototypes, and "rudimentary" systems in place, but nothing that will be effective in a large scale nuclear attack yet...and probably not in the near future either.

But yeah, if one considers the hypothetical situation in which an effective ABM defense system is deployed, than the probability of large scale conventional warfare ocurring (due to the lack of nuclear deterrance) is very logical.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Putin warned US not to install missile systems in Poland. But US would never listen. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Now to ptotect our selves we will spend the money from oil sales into new weapons.
I think that new RACE WARS has already begun. And the COLD WAR never ended. We've just lost a battle, but not the war itself..
ONE STUPID QUESTION: WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS? o_O

[atacms]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
Putin warned US not to install missile systems in Poland. But US would never listen. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Now to ptotect our selves we will spend the money from oil sales into new weapons.
I think that new RACE WARS has already begun. And the COLD WAR never ended. We've just lost a battle, but not the war itself..
ONE STUPID QUESTION: WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS? o_O

I'm doing my part to make US-Russo relations better, my wife is Russian, lol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Seriously though it's ridiculous that the US doesn't make more of an effort to get closer to Russia. It's with closer ties that we can both hope to help each other out and settle differences that really shouldn't exist. The current unrest is really about power brokering, each side trying to make sure they have a dominant interest in the area. The hotspot for today being the Caspian and former republics that have historically been part of the Russian orbit.

If the US did its part to help Russia integrate into the EU while pushing to prevent weapons proliferation, and increasing mergers between US-Russian businesses, things would settle down. Let's hope.

[Bmer2020]

It's power brokering, but it's also a competition over resources. Don't forget, the Caspian region is very rich in oil...

[atacms]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
It's power brokering, but it's also a competition over resources. Don't forget, the Caspian region is very rich in oil...

Yes, good point, the US really wouldn't be that interested in gaining a foothold in the Caspian if it weren't for access to oil AND as a quick staging base for attacks into the "stans" that might revert to Islamic fundamentalism (a la Taliban or the madrassas in Pakistan's no man lands.

This is yet another tragedy that the US and Russia do not see eye to eye considering they are both facing problems of Islamic extremists.

[MGSOLIDFOX]

check this out..
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/ap_armsrace_070530/

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by MGSOLIDFOX:
check this out..
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/ap_armsrace_070530/

It has already begun. Putin is absolutely right. The west lied to us about NATO growing to the East and placing heavy weapons in Eastern Europe countries. No that Russia is getting stronger it's time to defend our selves.
P.S> Sure hope that people will not have dreams about another Russian invasion of the US and EU.

LOL!

[Bmer2020]

I don't believe it's Islamic extremism that's the problem really, because there are all types of extremists, not only "Islamic" in the world. Currently, the "Islamic" regions are the hotspot tension wise not because they are Islamic but because of the political and economical situations of the region.

I bet anyone would turn into an extremist living under dictatorships and pseudo-republics (many of whom are supported by the West) while they are being grinded to dirt.

[atacms]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MGSOLIDFOX:
check this out..
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/ap_armsrace_070530/

It has already begun. Putin is absolutely right. The west lied to us about NATO growing to the East and placing heavy weapons in Eastern Europe countries. No that Russia is getting stronger it's time to defend our selves.
P.S> Sure hope that people will not have dreams about another Russian invasion of the US and EU.

LOL! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best thing would be to integrate Russia into NATO and the EU. Russia in turn should reduce weapons sales as should the US,but this IS the tricky part as both industries are very big contributors of revenues to both countries although more so I believe for the US.

[atacms]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
I don't believe it's Islamic extremism that's the problem really, because there are all types of extremists, not only "Islamic" in the world. Currently, the "Islamic" regions are the hotspot tension wise not because they are Islamic but because of the political and economical situations of the region.

I bet anyone would turn into an extremist living under dictatorships and pseudo-republics (many of whom are supported by the West) while they are being grinded to dirt.

I only mentioned Islamic fundamentalism because of the violent messianic zeal that the try to push. I should be more specific and say it's Wahabbism as I don't find that Shiites or even Shiite extremists are as prone to wishing/planning for mass casualties in the West.


I can't defend the US's lack of less than strident efforts to push for more openness and less repression in the Mideast, but aside from economic sanctions what else can the US do. I guess they could tie in more business deals with how those regimes behave, but the US govt. doesn't really dictate terms to US companies.

Ultimately the answer is renewable resources.

[Bmer2020]

Originally posted by atacms:
Ultimately the answer is renewable resources.

BINGO!

But I still disagree that Wahabbism is the main problem. See, all of these "extremist phenomenon" are just symptoms of a much larger problem: oppression.

People need something to cling on to in times of hardship, something to drive them forward, something to unite them, and something to give them hope. Intelligent individuals (with a very twisted mindset), know how to exploit this to gain personal power. Twisting religion (and claiming that this new twisted religion is the absolute truth) is a perfect thing to exploit and "harness" the "power" of the uneducated oppressed masses. It's not new thing, it's been done countless times in history.

Islam, at it's core, is peaceful, just like any other religion. But just like any other religion, it suffers from being twisted to suit people's purposes.

An intelligent thing for America to do, would be to recognize this fact, and show that they understand. I think it's time to put the guns and missiles on the backburner, and take out the hippie shirts with hearts (a.k.a, propoganda posters). That's what is needed to win the Middle East.

Humans don't like to die. Even extremist "Islamists" don't like to die.

[snapkracklepop]

The most likely people to become exetremists are young displaced males. I think we can curb the tide of exetremism if we work to improve these countries. Give the people a voice and give them a chance to make something of themselves. If they can go to a university and get a good job they probably won't become exetremists. Another problem is overpopulation in the third world maybe with all that money we give as aid some could go to birth control. Improvin the third world might be expensive in the short term. But it will save alot of money and blood in the long term

[PrinceCaspian5]

Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
Another problem is overpopulation in the third world maybe with all that money we give as aid some could go to birth control. Improvin the third world might be expensive in the short term. But it will save alot of money and blood in the long term
I agree, if we spend more of that money on birth control, some of the problems will go away, there will be more food to go around, and hospitals and medical clinics won't be so overcrowded so they could give better medical care.

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
Another problem is overpopulation in the third world maybe with all that money we give as aid some could go to birth control. Improvin the third world might be expensive in the short term. But it will save alot of money and blood in the long term
I agree, if we spend more of that money on birth control, some of the problems will go away, there will be more food to go around, and hospitals and medical clinics won't be so overcrowded so they could give better medical care. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but then more people would be alive, they would make more babies and make overcrowding worse. Which will make the clinics more overcrowded, etc..
When has foreign aid proved useful??? Just about never, for better or for worse.

War will come over resources, one way or another. I am just saddened that the world has come to this.

[PrinceCaspian5]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
Another problem is overpopulation in the third world maybe with all that money we give as aid some could go to birth control. Improvin the third world might be expensive in the short term. But it will save alot of money and blood in the long term
I agree, if we spend more of that money on birth control, some of the problems will go away, there will be more food to go around, and hospitals and medical clinics won't be so overcrowded so they could give better medical care. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but then more people would be alive, they would make more babies and make overcrowding worse. Which will make the clinics more overcrowded, etc..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
not if you keep up the birth control,

[pettyofficerj]

I think China had a protocol for preventing overcrowding...

1 or 2 kids per family, something like that..

It may seem like something out of a futuristic movie where certain people could have kids, and others could not, but it made sense..

That country alone boasts over 1 billion people...it's rediculous..

what we need is some underwater cities or maybe some moon colonies...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

[snapkracklepop]

I would'nt suggest anything like that we want to give people freedom not take it away. I do think the colonization of space will come over time though.

[Bmer2020]

I think we'll live on the sun and eat methane for dinner. Eventually.

[snapkracklepop]

I did'nt mean in the near future or anything like that. Maybe space stations that people live in.

[Bmer2020]

I think it's rather unlikely that space colonization will happen in the next 100 or so years. Colonization is going to be a big, huge costly project, that will need world cooperation to succeed.

Seeing the current state of our world. I doubt it will happen in the next 100 years.

[snapkracklepop]

I think maybe a few small experiments might happen before that but nothing on a large scale.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

The game's is really great. It shows the possible near future. Energy crysis, new weapon systems and new thread of WW3.
To bad that this war will be in next 20-30 years. Sad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Bmer2020]

There isn't going to be a war. It's a game. It's a story.

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
There isn't going to be a war. It's a game. It's a story.
Some fiction has been known to turn into fact.

[atacms]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:
There isn't going to be a war. It's a game. It's a story.
Some fiction has been known to turn into fact. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the problem of oil depletion is really one that is a looming catastrophe for the entire industrialized world.

[Bmer2020]

Yes, but I am hoping that humans are sensible enough to not turn it into a war.

Frankly, I wonder if games such as EndWar "force" the current generation into believing that war is the only choice for such a dilemma...when there are many other possible diplomatic solutions.

War is not cool, war is not fun, war is not sexy, war is ****. If people everywhere believed this, there would be no wars.

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
Yes, but I am hoping that humans are sensible enough to not turn it into a war.

Frankly, I wonder if games such as EndWar "force" the current generation into believing that war is the only choice for such a dilemma...when there are many other possible diplomatic solutions.

War is not cool, war is not fun, war is not sexy, war is ****. If people everywhere believed this, there would be no wars.
Humans and common sense are two words/phrases that should never be put into the same sentence, unless we are talking about the lack of common sense.

[snapkracklepop]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
Yes, but I am hoping that humans are sensible enough to not turn it into a war.

Frankly, I wonder if games such as EndWar "force" the current generation into believing that war is the only choice for such a dilemma...when there are many other possible diplomatic solutions.

War is not cool, war is not fun, war is not sexy, war is ****. If people everywhere believed this, there would be no wars. Finally something we agree on. People are too stupid to let peace happen.

[Bmer2020]

STRONGLY disagree.

I for one believe strongly in the fact that humans are not creatures that lack sense or common sense or intelligence. There is a reason why we are on the top of the food chain after all.

I'll tell you what's the key to peace: Education, and a positive attitude.

Education takes care of the ego, the lack of respect for others, and the knowledge needed to run a new and different world, while the positive attitude takes care of the rest.

[snapkracklepop]

I think what we need is a love for our fellow man, and being willing to help people.

[Bmer2020]

Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
I think what we need is a love for our fellow man, and being willing to help people.

Both of which only come from education, and a positive attitude. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[snapkracklepop]

I agree with the positive attitude part but words without action mean nothing.

[pettyofficerj]

Originally posted by Bmer2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
I think what we need is a love for our fellow man, and being willing to help people.

Both of which only come from education, and a positive attitude. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As long as some countries have large oil reserves, gold, and diamonds, while others do not, respect and love for our fellow man will never be reached on a global scale...

unless respect can be counted in bullets and bombs...


late edit - add fresh water and dry land to that list also....

ever seen "Waterworld?" Imagine what would happen is no one wanted to share water and oil reserves...total anarchy

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[Bmer2020]

I have never understood why gold and diamonds are so important to us.

They are just shiny things...what makes them so special?

The world would have been better off without them.

[SuppressingFire]

...because humans are stupid?

Never underestimate the power of shiny things to preoccupy humanity's limited attention span.

[kimi_]

Another thing I noticed while watching the new Microsoft Surface introduced, the creator of this technology mentioned it being used by the military. Looks like the touch technology used by the guy in the trailer.

[pettyofficerj]

Originally posted by kimi_:
Another thing I noticed while watching the new Microsoft Surface introduced, the creator of this technology mentioned it being used by the military. Looks like the touch technology used by the guy in the trailer.


NOTHING.......NOTHING compares to the way you got food in Star Trek. You push a button and instantly your food is there, fully cooked and ready to eat. You have to admit that was pretty cool. So was the holodeck. How much fun would that be?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[AlphaWolfgang]

not even 3% of available land on earth is occupied by man, so we dont need to worry about 'overpopulation' very much... as for food... very few farms are using genetically enhanced food, if they all did, thered be much more food.

and its russia who needs to stop being all harsh about everything... why are they getting all hot under the collar because we're setting up anti missile bases? its not always america who should cater to everyones needs, maybe russia (putin) should be nice to us. he gotta remember, his kgb arse is in no position to take on america, or the rest of the western world.

and for islamic extremism, its the religion itself, muslim radicals are radical no matter the condition his country/community is in.

and as for the game itself, it has a quite accurate depiction of the future. advanced anti ballistic defenses are quite a bit closer than you think, i wouldnt at all be surprised if we already have some amazing ABM capabilities.

i hope the games battles has at elast 2v2... i like joint operations... like, im a good tank commander, and not too hot with infantry tactics, i have friends who are great infantry commanders, yet lack tanker skills, so we work together in a joint op.

[PrinceCaspian5]

Originally posted by AlphaWolfgang:
and for islamic extremism, its the religion itself, muslim radicals are radical no matter the condition his country/community is in.

i hope the games battles has at elast 2v2... i like joint operations... like, im a good tank commander, and not too hot with infantry tactics, i have friends who are great infantry commanders, yet lack tanker skills, so we work together in a joint op.
I don't think I is the religion, I don't think Islam preaches violence any more then any other religion, but some nuts just take it and twist it to mean whatever they want and then they blow themselves up. I am not sure, but I think that in Islam both murder and suicide is considered wrong, so it isn't the religion.

As for the number of players in a match, I remember hearing somewhere that it was 6v6, but I could be wrong, I will try to find where I heard that so I can be sure.

P.S. are you the same Alpha Wolfgang from the Battlestations Midway forums?

[AlphaWolfgang]

why yes i am! i take up the tag alpha wolfgang, wolfengang or wolfgang, depending if its available.

6v6? sweet, i have the magazine somewhere in my house, but i dont remember saying anything about teams, just player vs player. so i hope theres teams.

but, it is the religion, ive been doing my homework this year on it, its quite the death cult, not all muslims are evil, but many many many of them are.

[PrinceCaspian5]

Originally posted by AlphaWolfgang:
why yes i am! i take up the tag alpha wolfgang, wolfengang or wolfgang, depending if its available.

6v6? sweet, i have the magazine somewhere in my house, but i dont remember saying anything about teams, just player vs player. so i hope theres teams.


it wasn't in the EGM article, it was in some interview, as I said I will try to find it