OK! What's With The Poor Water In The Xbox Version?

[Nightmarecast24]

The water in the bath house is god awful, the worst water ever on Xbox.
WTF did Ubi do? Or more like WTF didn't they do?
I am not understanding this, as past Xbox games have done fantastic water physics, it takes the most graphically advanced game to screw something up that just about every game company has mastered on Xbox, W T F went wrong here?
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[Nightmarecast24]

The water in the bath house is god awful, the worst water ever on Xbox.
WTF did Ubi do? Or more like WTF didn't they do?
I am not understanding this, as past Xbox games have done fantastic water physics, it takes the most graphically advanced game to screw something up that just about every game company has mastered on Xbox, W T F went wrong here?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[FVipe]

The nice looking water is ps2/gcube exclusive.

Wich kinda sucks.

[maartendraayer6]

whats so different about the water in that map compared to other maps of SCCT?? if you can could you post a pic.. thnx hope this isnt the end of the world for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[Dangerous_388]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[ColdRecon]

seems like a case of xbox ownage!!

im still greatly pissed off at the fact of those UBI chumps hippocrates not putting co-op ONLINE in CT

UGGHHH!!

[Dangerous_388]

COOP is online in xbox version

[Knot3D]

...well, usually good and efficient water effects are done via pixelshaders. In Xbox's case this of course relies on ps1.1

Ingame water starts to only 'shine' from ps2.0 and up.

I'm really not trying to sound like pc elitist here, but the facts are on your tv screen....

[Dangerous_388]

So why does ps2 and gamecube water look better than xbox version. Do thet support ps2.0

[XyZspineZyX]

Alright guys I understand some of the stuff you see wrong and you well deserve the chance to state it. With that said please try to not use even semi offense language especially in the Topic heading. I am going to let you change it. There are other words you can use besides the ones you are using. Remember some words are still considered curse words even if the filter does not pick up on it. Thanks.

[Dangerous_388]

OK

[Ghost_Leader_1]

This is hard to believe since Ubi mastered the water with GR2. H3ll, that was the only good thing about GR2. I'm actually quite shocked, but as long as almost everything else is as good as I think it will be, it'll be okay with me. I couldn't play GR2 without lockups and whatnot, and RS:L is said to be more run and gun which will keep that from my collection, so I'm depending on this game to keep Ubi and I together.

Given all of the things that could go wrong with this game, the water not being perfect is something I can live with.

[Knot3D]

No, indeed PS2 and GC do not support sm2.0 nor sm3.0 but for those versions they created custom built watersurface effects for those engines.

It's more or less an artistic workaround by means of animated texture maps, not pixelshaders. It just happens to work very well for those versions.

MGS3 on PS2 also uses a similair technique for it's water and swamps and even though it's not a high tech pixelshader technique, it looks very good.

Sounds like they went with the default DX water effects for all the sm1.1 versions....

[ChaosTheory13]

NMC you already there!?!?!?!

thats the mission before the last... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Ninj3r]

Bloody hell NMC, You nearly finished the game already? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Nightmarecast24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Knot3D:
...well, usually good and efficient water effects are done via pixelshaders. In Xbox's case this of course relies on ps1.1

Ingame water starts to only 'shine' from ps2.0 and up.

I'm really not trying to sound like pc elitist here, but the facts are on your tv screen.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nah, that has nothing to do with it.
The following Xbox games have excellent water physics, which makes me mad that this doesn't.

Ninja Gaiden
Dead or Alive Series
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splashdown
Blinx The Time Sweeper
Morrowind
Fable

and many more, they all have better water physics than the Xbox Version of SCCT.
I dunno what happened here, I kinda think Ubi lagged on it to give the other 2 consoles something to gawk over, obviously people are gawking.
Oh well, still love the game but that just pisses me off that they fouled up something as simple as water physics with all the other stuff they magically crammed in here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

It's like building a custom car from scratch but forgetting to put windows and the windshield on it.

[Ghost_Leader_1]

Hey NMC, I started a thread looking for opinions on all aspects of the game. Your input on the different modes would be appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[ZERO9167]

my only guess is they did the "bad" graphics on the water to thexbox version, to make the ps2 GC look and have a btter over all value(not better than xbox). I know when xbox was first coming out, microsoft had a special engine put in to makke the xbox water graphics better than any other console. So i dont think its that they couldnt make graphics better, just didnt want to. and like someone said Ubi went out of their to make the water "shine" for ps2 and GC.

[DisTurBeD_MuNkY]

Could be just me but doesn't that sound kinda stupid? Like.. "okay.. well, XBox players are getting the full game so.. what can we do to make the PS2 version better? Oh I know! we'll make the water shine more, that'll really make up for it!" .. Doesn't really seem like the kind of thing that would make much difference to most PS2ers.

[Ghost_Leader_1]

Maybe it's as simple as thye couldn't use the nicer water because they were already pushing the limits of the graphics card with everything else. Would you like to have nice water or an outstanding level overall? Don't forget this graphics cards is what, 5 years old? they probably pushed it so far with level desidn that they figured they'd go easy on the water to use the power for the level.

[Nightmarecast24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ghost_Leader_1:
Maybe it's as simple as thye couldn't use the nicer water because they were already pushing the limits of the graphics card with everything else. Would you like to have nice water or an outstanding level overall? Don't forget this graphics cards is what, 5 years old? they probably pushed it so far with level desidn that they figured they'd go easy on the water to use the power for the level. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then explain how the PS2 was able to do it, with it being pushed to the limit as well and it's card it even older than the Xbox's.

[Ghost_Leader_1]

But notice that the graphics pretty much suck compared to the box as far as levels go. Maybe they pushed the water and the levels suffered some (because they knew the levels would never be as good as the box anyway)as opposed to pushing the levels and the water suffers. Follow? It's just a guess though.

[Dangerous_388]

Ubi didnt wanted to make water look good on xbox and they made it exclusive for ps2 and gc so they dont die from a shock that their version is ****

[Ghost_Leader_1]

I don't buy that. Why make a game to be revolutionary and then say, "screw the water, lets make it better on another system." That's ridiculous and besides, if that were the case, they'd have done it with GR2 already. PS2 got screwed on that game far more than on this one and GR2 for the box has beautiful water.

[SPROGGY]

I dont get mine until 10 today, but ive heard so many other good things about the game, i dont think the water will make a bit of difference. We expect alot out of ubi because they release such great games. The fact is that there will never be a perfect game, at least for some people. Their will always be something they couldve done better. But in my opinion we have much less to complain about than fans of some other games.

[mambonuts]

Here's a reasonable question...

I'm playing the level in PT on Xbox where you infiltrate the TV station, and I'm in the water tunnels at the beginning...is the water effect as good as in this level...?

If it is...then I can certainly live with that...

[WesKhan32]

That is because PC Rules. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[DarKA55ASSIN]

meh dont worry nmc its only water,and it doesnt really play that big of a part in ct anyway

[Dai-ou-jou]

Omg, hearing all the xboxfanboys whining around that their versions get different water effects then on gc and ps2. Get home and play Coop and Versus on Lan, because other consoles can't do that. Or whatever, but dont bother UBI with such fanboy ravings.

[Terrax213]

Man NMC you didn't waste any time playing through it did ya? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I'm gonna get started with Displace when I get home this afternoon. As far as water effects, I thought the cargo ship water was pretty freakin sweet.

[The_Hazard]

The xbox version still owns the PS2/GC version. We may have the suckiest water ever invented, but at least we can go online co-opping/or SvM. Revenge is ours! *Evil laugh*

Sorry for that post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Ninj3r]

I think it will be more appropriate to apologise after the flamewar has started.

[The_Hazard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ninj3r:
I think it will be more appropriate to apologise after the flamewar has started. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I think I'll apologize in advance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
So hereby, i'm sorry for going to start a flamewar http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[SABU1111]

Stop complaining. I'd rather have a big block of blue for water and get other brilliant graphics and other stuff, than get brilliant water and a cut down game.

[maartendraayer6]

amen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[The_Hazard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SABU1111:
Stop complaining. I'd rather have a big block of blue for water and get other brilliant graphics and other stuff, than get brilliant water and a cut down game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah, even if it was an underwater game? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Don't mind me, i'm just in an incredibly lame mood today...

[HardToExist]

It doesn't really bother me that the water isn't all that great. I haven't goten to the bath house yet but when I do I'm sure I won't care all that much. With everything this game has to offer a less than perfect water effect doesn't even scratch the beautifully polished surface.

On a side note, why is it that whenever ANYTHING at all isn't perfect on Xbox the PS2 people jump out of their seats just to rub it in our faces? But when we try to just explain to them that they are getting ripped off they take it as a jab and then call US fanboys? Very odd when you look at the big picture...

[Terrax213]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HardToExist:
On a side note, why is it that whenever ANYTHING at all isn't perfect on Xbox the PS2 people jump out of their seats just to rub it in our faces? But when we try to just explain to them that they are getting ripped off they take it as a jab and then call US fanboys? Very odd when you look at the big picture... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very odd indeed, especially since the forums have been split again to avoid stuff like that happening.

[black ops freak]

Bad water effects? In SCCT? That's odd...the vids I saw with water were absolutely awesome...weird. I don't care, I'm getting this game!

[Dangerous_388]

I dont really care about water being bad. Im still getting this even if it flops ( well it wont )

[Sedrith]

I think the water effects on xbox look amazing, best I have seen so far!

[Nightmarecast24]

Well it's just the water in the Bath House.
It's PS1 style.
He moves through the water and there is just a small circle around him, the water is motionless, and in the pool at the Bath House, it looks like you're walking in jello or something, it's awful, but I really don't care, I just didn't understand why they screwed this up, I personally think they did it to give the PS2 something to talk about, I mean you notice when the PS2 version is mentioned, all they talk about it how good the water looks, but I dunno.

But the water in the crawl space looks amazing to me, but why not the pool and sauna room water?

[Dangerous_388]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nightmarecast24:
Well it's just the water in the Bath House.
It's PS1 style.
He moves through the water and there is just a small circle around him, the water is motionless, and in the pool at the Bath House, it looks like you're walking in jello or something, it's awful, but I really don't care, I just didn't understand why they screwed this up, I personally think they did it to give the PS2 something to talk about, I mean you notice when the PS2 version is mentioned, all they talk about it how good the water looks, but I dunno.

But the water in the crawl space looks amazing to me, but why not the pool and sauna room water? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats what i think

[Chaos4Sure]

The water in GR2 is the best out there. And, from the vids ive seen, the water in the levels is photo realistic, but when there is alot of water, for example ocean, the water doesnt look that good. But i dont think its bad enough to proclaim worst ever seen.

[Dangerous_388]

Mario kart double dash got the worst water http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Jackal56o]

calm down guys..... its just water. this Mega64 vid is perfect for now though....lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://downloads.ubi.com/download.php?id=61

[Samy_Fisher]

all I gotta say is.........who cares

[SteadyAim]

I think that GR2 does have the best water I've seen. It's the definition of photo realistic. I haven't seen SCCT's water yet because I'm still at school with my copy sitting in front of me.

[silentassasin05]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SteadyAim:
I think that GR2 does have the best water I've seen. It's the definition of photo realistic. I haven't seen SCCT's water yet because I'm still at school with my copy sitting in front of me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you took it to school? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[SteadyAim]

I bought it at lunch.

[Jason-Alaska]

Can anyone post a a shot of the water on Xbox. I'm curouse how it compairs to the PC.

But I was blown away from the video a couple weeks ago showing the PS2 water kill. The water effect in that looked awesome! Good job Ubi for getting it so good looking on that console.

We Xbox and PC'ers really don't have anything to complain about with all the extra content and downloadable maps. Let the PS2'ers get their pretty water.. I'll take downloadable content and new maps anyday! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[NSA Agent]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But the water in the crawl space looks amazing to me, but why not the pool and sauna room water? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am very curious to see the lighting and shading effects at that section. From what I have seen on Screenshots, the detail looks incredible. I cannot be the judge yet on the water effects, but I certainly know not to have high expectations.

Here is a small off topic question for NMC, (How was Hokkaido, did it live to the hype and did it satisfy your hopes?) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Thebassfisher]

It must just be the bathhouse water because I thought the water on the lighthouse level was great!

[cupcrazey19]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dangerous_388:
So why does ps2 and gamecube water look better than xbox version. Do thet support ps2.0 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The nice looking water is only ps2,NOT gamecube.The ps2 has water kills,and no other system has it.I'am a ps2 user for now,but i'd give up the nice water,and water kills for the full mission maps,lol....water or not,iam getting an xbox

[mikeiron0404]

Well, I think that with pushing the other graphic details to the extreme, there wasn't much room for great water graphics. Take Morrowind. Those water graphics are amazing, but the rest of the game isn't very graphically impressive. But hey, what do I know?

[H_Bogard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Knot3D:
...well, usually good and efficient water effects are done via pixelshaders. In Xbox's case this of course relies on ps1.1

Ingame water starts to only 'shine' from ps2.0 and up.

I'm really not trying to sound like pc elitist here, but the facts are on your tv screen.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
bwahahahhaa!

(you KNOW why i`m laughing!)
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.back to topic....what does the water look like on the pc version?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think that GR2 does have the best water I've seen. It's the definition of photo realistic. I haven't seen SCCT's water yet because I'm still at school <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

exactly what games have you been playing lately?
water is best in hl2 and far cry....hands down....and fc instincts has great water considering a console`s power too.

[Chaos4Sure]

Hey, i just played some of the second level. The ocean water is horrible. Worst ive ever seen. But, when you go into the boat, the water is just amazing. One of the best ive seen. So i was correct in saying that the oceans have the bad water, but the smaller water bodies have better water effects. Have a good night. love the splitscreen coop.

[cellfan88]

Someone please post a pic!

[ViewtifulUly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nightmarecast24:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Knot3D:
Ninja Gaiden
Dead or Alive Series
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splashdown
Blinx The Time Sweeper
Morrowind
Fable
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just so you know, Morrowind doesn't have any water physics. There's just a texture with pretty pixel shader effects slapped on top. Your character can alter the mapping somewhat, but there's no actual moving waves or water.

[mortified_dodo]

Why would the water look good on xbox in some cases, but not on others? Very strange.

[epikur_2000]

I doubt it, that the poor water effects are "XBox-exclusive", the same will most likely be true for the PC-version too, I guess. I already stated at another thread, that the sea of the demo looked bad and some kind of cheap, hence I think Ubi established some priorities, they obviously concentrated on creating awesome game graphics, rain effects, shining textures, puddles etc.
But still I donâ´t get it, why they apparently neglected the pool and sea water soo much, all the more as so many games already have amazing water physics and effects. Thatâ´s really sad, I think and it doesnâ´t make a lot of sense.
Well, Iâ´m gonna have the game in a few hours, then Iâ´ll be able to have a look myself, but I donâ´t place great hopes in the gameâ´s water effects.

http://www.hp-quarter.de/sig3.jpg

[Frydchykin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nightmarecast24:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Knot3D:
...well, usually good and efficient water effects are done via pixelshaders. In Xbox's case this of course relies on ps1.1

Ingame water starts to only 'shine' from ps2.0 and up.

I'm really not trying to sound like pc elitist here, but the facts are on your tv screen.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nah, that has nothing to do with it.
The following Xbox games have excellent water physics, which makes me mad that this doesn't.

Ninja Gaiden
Dead or Alive Series
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splashdown
Blinx The Time Sweeper
Morrowind
Fable

and many more, they all have better water physics than the Xbox Version of SCCT.
I dunno what happened here, I kinda think Ubi lagged on it to give the other 2 consoles something to gawk over, obviously people are gawking.
Oh well, still love the game but that just pisses me off that they fouled up something as simple as water physics with all the other stuff they magically crammed in here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

It's like building a custom car from scratch but forgetting to put windows and the windshield on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


NMC, I am dearly sorry but, making water physics is very difficult. I use the program that Ubisoft uses, 3ds Max, it is very easy prgram to use, but as in making animations of real life water and making a physics engine for it! That's something totally different. Just to make the water look reflective and have ripples takes about 2 weeks to make it look decent. So to make the water have physics, like when someone steps in it, that take about a month and a half. So stop complaining about the stupid water, its just water.

[Nightmarecast24]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frydchykin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nightmarecast24:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Knot3D:
...well, usually good and efficient water effects are done via pixelshaders. In Xbox's case this of course relies on ps1.1

Ingame water starts to only 'shine' from ps2.0 and up.

I'm really not trying to sound like pc elitist here, but the facts are on your tv screen.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nah, that has nothing to do with it.
The following Xbox games have excellent water physics, which makes me mad that this doesn't.

Ninja Gaiden
Dead or Alive Series
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Splashdown
Blinx The Time Sweeper
Morrowind
Fable

and many more, they all have better water physics than the Xbox Version of SCCT.
I dunno what happened here, I kinda think Ubi lagged on it to give the other 2 consoles something to gawk over, obviously people are gawking.
Oh well, still love the game but that just pisses me off that they fouled up something as simple as water physics with all the other stuff they magically crammed in here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

It's like building a custom car from scratch but forgetting to put windows and the windshield on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


NMC, I am dearly sorry but, making water physics is very difficult. I use the program that Ubisoft uses, 3ds Max, it is very easy prgram to use, but as in making animations of real life water and making a physics engine for it! That's something totally different. Just to make the water look reflective and have ripples takes about 2 weeks to make it look decent. So to make the water have physics, like when someone steps in it, that take about a month and a half. So stop complaining about the stupid water, its just water. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I really don't care about the water, but I was just shocked to see how horrible it was in The Bath House.

[Frydchykin]

That's cool.

[unanocheconte]

Yea just saw the water in the Bathhouse, really sucks, upsets me too.

[I-Myth-I]

Kinda funny how people get nit picky and *******-like on highly rated games.

Gotta find something to whine and complain about now dont we?