Xbox vs 360 version

[Mx21]

When it comes to Double Agent, which version is better? The 360 or original Xbox version?

Also, I hate the original Splinter Cell and Pandora, but LOVE Chaos Theory. Is Double Agent more like CT than the first 2 games?

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by Mx21:
When it comes to Double Agent, which version is better? The 360 or original Xbox version? The original.
Is Double Agent more like CT than the first 2 games? No. It's different, far different.

[ROLNIK]

the gameplay is similar to ct actually

[Mx21]

Cheers. I found the gameplay in the first 2 games to be too linear, and trial and error. <3 Chaos Theory, so if DA controls like CT, then I want it?

One more thing, how are the graphics in the Original Xbox version? Are they at least as good as in CT?

[Azanode]

Not quite as good in my opinion, but pretty close.

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by jasiek.rolnik:
the gameplay is similar to ct actually Well the gameplay in general is still similar, but I mean the environments are different.

The cruise ship, the oil tanker, Kinshasa, it's like playing it all with the lights on, and you spend twice as much time hiding behind objects and from their line of sight rather than hiding in the shadows.

The concept is still the same; stay hidden, don't be seen, but the feel is very different in my opinion.
Originally posted by Mx21:
Cheers. I found the gameplay in the first 2 games to be too linear, and trial and error. <3 Chaos Theory, so if DA controls like CT, then I want it?

One more thing, how are the graphics in the Original Xbox version? Are they at least as good as in CT? Well the levels in Double Agent are a bit more open than previous games. You can climb up the vent shaft or just take the elevator. You can go across the balcony or just go inside and walk down the corridor.

The graphics of the original are a little less advanced, but the game is far superior to the next generation. Graphics are a very small sacrifice, and I don't think you'd regret it in the least.

[ROLNIK]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasiek.rolnik:
the gameplay is similar to ct actually Well the gameplay in general is still similar, but I mean the environments are different.

The cruise ship, the oil tanker, Kinshasa, it's like playing it all with the lights on, and you spend twice as much time hiding behind objects and from their line of sight rather than hiding in the shadows.

The concept is still the same; stay hidden, don't be seen, but the feel is very different in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you talking about old gen SCDA?

[Ghieri]

I prefer the current-gen version of Double Agent over the old one. The parts I enjoyed the most of Double Agent (360, PS3, PC), were the HQ missions: I loved sneaking into the restricted areas to obtain information and stuff, and then returning to the common area before time runs out, like nothing ever happened.

The old-gen Double Agent have some good elements: like the cinematics, and a couple of details here and there, but overall, it's my least favorite Splinter Cell.

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by jasiek.rolnik:
Are you talking about old gen SCDA? Nah, next generation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Mx21]

I tried the 360 demo. It was like playing Half Life 2, except not as good. Was I playing it wrongly?

[Jinzopaladin]

umm... even though i do like the original one but the next gen ones are better. There storyline is expanded and more detailed. Better graphics and everything.

But im still on the original side! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Jackie Fiest]

Personally, I liked the single player of the XBox version and the multiplayer of the 360 better.

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by Jinzopaladin:
umm... even though i do like the original one but the next gen ones are better. There storyline is expanded and more detailed. Better graphics and everything. How is that, that the story is better detailed?

In the next-gen version, it's never explained how Sam got his equipment, his night vision, his suit. You just see him wearing it and that's that. You're all left wondering "what the? How did he get his goggles?" And unless you've played the old-gen, you won't know that Lambert is pretending to be an arms dealer using Vernon Wilkes Jr. as a cover.

So I can't see how that makes next-gen more detailed, when old-gen does all the explaining.

Shanghai didn't even bother to make next-gen with its own cutscenes, they just copied from Montreal, even though it doesn't make any sense. The first scene, in the prelude level, when Sam jumps into the Osprey and asks Lambert what's going on, that makes sense in old-gen, because Lambert pulled Sam out. But then in the next-gen, it doesn't make any sense, because Sam got pulled up by rope while the Osprey was hovering overhead, not running and getting in while the Osprey was on the ground. And it doesn't make sense for Sam to ask what's going on, because he didn't get pulled out, so what is he asking about?

Old-gen has far more details and explanations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Graphics are the only thing that next-gen has pushing for it, and really they aren't that much better than old-gen's anyway, so it's nothing to brag about.

[ERN456]

Originally posted by LaurenIsSoMosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jinzopaladin:
umm... even though i do like the original one but the next gen ones are better. There storyline is expanded and more detailed. Better graphics and everything. How is that, that the story is better detailed?

In the next-gen version, it's never explained how Sam got his equipment, his night vision, his suit. You just see him wearing it and that's that. You're all left wondering "what the? How did he get his goggles?" And unless you've played the old-gen, you won't know that Lambert is pretending to be an arms dealer using Vernon Wilkes Jr. as a cover.

So I can't see how that makes next-gen more detailed, when old-gen does all the explaining.

Shanghai didn't even bother to make next-gen with its own cutscenes, they just copied from Montreal, even though it doesn't make any sense. The first scene, in the prelude level, when Sam jumps into the Osprey and asks Lambert what's going on, that makes sense in old-gen, because Lambert pulled Sam out. But then in the next-gen, it doesn't make any sense, because Sam got pulled up by rope while the Osprey was hovering overhead, not running and getting in while the Osprey was on the ground. And it doesn't make sense for Sam to ask what's going on, because he didn't get pulled out, so what is he asking about?

Old-gen has far more details and explanations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Graphics are the only thing that next-gen has pushing for it, and really they aren't that much better than old-gen's anyway, so it's nothing to brag about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot one thing Williams doesnt appear until the end of the Next Gen version while on the other one our annoying friend Willy is always pushing you since the prison. Also Old Gen makes the Iceland mission have to do more with the story since Kadir who is never mentioned in next gen tries to sell the red mercury to Emile.

They never explain why you need to acquire NSA trust either.

[Jackie Fiest]

You need NSA trust because if the NSA doesn't trust you, the plug will get pulled on the mission.

[ERN456]

Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
You need NSA trust because if the NSA doesn't trust you, the plug will get pulled on the mission.

Yes but they never say that the NSA needs your trust because Williams found out about the mission. Old Gen explains Next Gen doesnt.

[LaurenIsSoMosh]

Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
You need NSA trust because if the NSA doesn't trust you, the plug will get pulled on the mission. Sam has been their golden child for the last four years, their very best operative.

He's saved the world three times for them, what more does he need to do to earn that trust?

"Ironically, even though we've been through a lot of crises together, I all of a sudden have five points less trust in you just because you were seen on a camera. Three cheers for nonsense!"

[CreativeControl]

It depends. Gameplay wise I preferred the 360 and I think you will to - the level in Shanghai is one of the best I've played in the series, the choices you have to make throughout seem more important and consequential and there are some different game dynamics you won't be used to.

But everyone here is right about the story on the XBox version being better. The only thing I thoroughly THOROUGHLY hated about that version was the boss fight at the end; it seemed so wrong to be doing that on a Splinter Cell game.

I've kept both as I want to see which version/choices are canon to Conviction... which means I'll have both copies for another decade or so :-/

[ERN456]

In my opinion both gameplay and story are better in DA xbox first because you dont get to waste 25 minutes of your life looking for intel. The JBA missions in the other one were more realistic because the guards will try to capture you if they see you in the other one they tell you to go away and they take off trust points and thats it nobody suspects anything and nobody cares. In the other one they didnt know who you were because of the face mask so they couldnt suspect anything and there was also two people you could frame for the weirdness in the JBA compound which were Yeagher and Lambert. All the missions in the xbox version have light and shadows and you can make split jumps and youre also not running around blowing up tanks in the Congo. Its also harder than the 360 version in the hardest difficulty leve elite the guards hearing is improved and they can hear you easily and if they stand still in front of you when you are in a shadow but the the darkness meter isnt at zero they will see you and start to wonder around. Emile isnt so easy to catch in the last mission and neither is Moss they are both very difficult to catch unlike the 360 version where both were very easy to catch.

[Knot3D]

Yup, SCDA Xbox 1 was great. They should have pimped that on PC and PS3 ; it would make it alot more playable and hassle free on Geforce 7 & 8 cards of that time.