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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:28 PM
Nowadays you can defy the very basic laws of physics. How? you may ask; well, without going through the trouble of creating your very own parallel universe, you can defy them right here on earth amongst your loved ones. clearly a huge leap forward. one merely has to start a game called "Forgotten Battles" on ones personal computer. with it, you truely can defy the will of God himself.

nuff crap,

why is it that I hear no sonic boom when I do +1400kph in my BI-1? why modelling that speed and not model the sonic boom (which would prove remarkably easy from a programming POV)? sonic booms are one of the coolest phenomena induced by men. why (TF) not model it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://users.pandora.be/vnnet/no_sonic_boom.jpg
i didn't edit the image (scouts honor).

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:28 PM
Nowadays you can defy the very basic laws of physics. How? you may ask; well, without going through the trouble of creating your very own parallel universe, you can defy them right here on earth amongst your loved ones. clearly a huge leap forward. one merely has to start a game called "Forgotten Battles" on ones personal computer. with it, you truely can defy the will of God himself.

nuff crap,

why is it that I hear no sonic boom when I do +1400kph in my BI-1? why modelling that speed and not model the sonic boom (which would prove remarkably easy from a programming POV)? sonic booms are one of the coolest phenomena induced by men. why (TF) not model it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://users.pandora.be/vnnet/no_sonic_boom.jpg
i didn't edit the image (scouts honor).

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:31 PM
well considering on full realism u cant go that fast without ur plane blowing up, if u are using full realism settings or close to it(external views etc) then u dont have to worry about going over the speed of sound

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:32 PM
Probably because if you weren't using invincibility, you'd have blown up long before that.

Then on the second day, it was made bug free, and He saw that it was good.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:35 PM
well, you can see that I was doing this online. Ofcourse I didn't know the exact settings (curse HL). That could be indeed the reason. but still, there isn't any excuse why it shouldn't have been implemented.

weren't Me262's cabable of achieving speed of sound?

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 09:48 PM
Why the sonic boom isn't modelled? Well, let's see, since noone had flown Mach 1 until Oct 14 1947 putting it in the sim WOULD BE HISTORICALLY INCORRECT! *lol* /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This is the actual plane on Oct 14 1947, flown by Chuck Yeager.
http://www.engineerscouncil.org/Yeager/Photos/1945-1947%20[wright,%20X-1)/X-1/x-1-in-flight.jpg



Did you know Chuck Yeager flew P-39's? This is his plane:
http://www.engineerscouncil.org/Yeager/Photos/1921-1943%20[training)/PHOTOD1S.jpg



Read more about him and the quest for Mach 1 here:
http://www.chuckyeager.com/



Message Edited on 06/29/0310:50PM by Ketalar

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:22 PM
Its also the plane that almost killed him when the prop shaft seized and he had to bail out. The force from the chute popping broke his back. Fortunately there was no spinal damage.

http://www.redspar.com/redrogue/CraggerUbisig.jpg

About after 30 minutes I puked all over my airplane. I said to myself "Man, you made a big mistake." -Charles 'Chuck' Yeager, regards his first flight

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 10:50 PM
The Me 262 couldn't achieve the speed of sound.
On 6 jun 1944, during test's it seem to achieved 1004 Km/h in a dive(the V9 prototype, designated for high-speed tests, reg.nr:VI+AD, wich was equiped with a special aedinamically canopy)
Me 262 max speed:
(at 6000m)
A-1a: 870km/h
A-2a:825km/h
B-1a/U1:770km/h
B-2a:841km/h
C-1a:922km/h

As an intersting aspect, the Bf109 could achieve about 1300km/h in a dive (in FB), before starting to disintegrate,
try it!
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"The show must go on..."

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:02 PM
Its kind of irrelevant, as any airplane can technically break the sound barrier in a dive at a particualar altitude.

For example, a guy jumped out of a balloon at high altitude and he broke mach 2. If you were to drop an Me-262 from the same height, it would also break the sound barrier.

The difficult part is being able to go faster than sound in level flight, and none of the WWII planes could.

Then on the second day, it was made bug free, and He saw that it was good.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:09 PM
StG77_Fennec wrote:
If you were to drop
- an Me-262 from the same height, it would also break
- the sound barrier.

Not really , a Me 262A1-a cannot exceed about 1100 km/h(in FB at least), because it will desintegrate due to the flutter.
Stange, but aparently, the 109 is moddeled in FB to be more resistent at high speeds


"The show must go on..."

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:11 PM
hate to be Captain Obvious here but. You cant hear a sonic boom in your own plane.... that would defy the laws of physics.

second, not all aircraft can reach mach1 in a dive. Some simply wont make it before falling appart, others might not have a high enough terminal velocity to make it.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:19 PM
For example, a guy jumped out of a balloon at high
- altitude and he broke mach 2.

I don't think that's possible. this website ( http://hypertextbook.com/facts/JianHuang.shtml) indicates the person involved hit a maximum of 0.90 Mach.



<img src=http://www.johnsonsmith.com/images/p1039.jpg>

Eeeeeeeeeee.......

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:25 PM
Aren't there stories about P51 and P47 pilots achieving Mach 1? Tought it was quite a problem in that time...

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:28 PM
Davinci, Bah yer in before me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Rageman - Living up to his name.

Message Edited on 06/29/0311:29PM by Rageman

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:31 PM
mklonen wrote:
- Aren't there stories about P51 and P47 pilots
- achieving Mach 1? Tought it was quite a problem in
- that time...
Set a Quick mission in a P-47 at 10000m and dive to the deck,and nute the speed at wich start's to fall apart, then come and tell us about that
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"The show must go on..."

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:46 PM
Speaking of Chuck Yeager, anybody notice his Cameo appearance in the film "The Right Stuff". Great Movie

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 11:49 PM
That's one of my all time favorite movies. I love that German scientist the one with the slant down glases, reminds me of my Grandfather!. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Message Edited on 06/29/0310:50PM by Hauptman99