Where is Spekkio's noob guide?

[Moustacheo]

I've done a search, but all the links I found appeared to be dead. Does it still exist?

[Frelli.]

****. I had it on my computer but I got a new one now, sorry. I don't know if it's up on a site. The thing you can do is to ask somone to upload it for ya.

[Brutusn]

It's banned, just like the n00b who made it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(Maybe there is a scnw.com link not sure tho.)

[m4_007]

I've searched SCN, Can't find anything.. But I remember a link, yeah. Was somewhere on FileFront I think.

However, We are building up a wiki with most of the content from that noob guide. http://wiki.splintercellnetwork.com

[HappyManVan]

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:HK6ctNErzqUJ:www.de...n&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:HK6ctNErzqUJ:www.deniedclothing.com/scctBetaGuide/+Spekkio+scctBetaGuide&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1)

It's the cached version from his site.

[m4_007]

Humm cool, Someone should take it up in a Doc with the screenshots again..

I'll host it.

[eTo-NoSiS106]

i dont know about the newb guide, but i appluad you on your sig

*listens to some p funk*

[element54]

Isn't it nice how the moderators perm ban people like Spekkio and I for rather silly things but people can get away with this trash.

A thread dedicated and praising Spammers. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/7571078764) page 8 is exceptionally good.

You are pretty naive to not at least question that Viva=Mr.santa (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/4661073764)

Another one. :/ (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/6771016764)

This (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/5441057564)is a nice one started by a mod that created a Userbar specifically for her favorite little spammer Viva. He has contributed 1252 "useful" posts in just over two months while being banned numerous times. Isn't favoritism fun.

Edit:
I just found another (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/9931034864) one.

But anyhow i like how some of us members with intelligence that contribute mature and honest content with each post i.e. Noob Guides, technical help, maps, and in general just answering questions to the thousands of people that come here and ask ******ed questions like " OMFG I CAN'T FIND MY INSTALLATION KEY " without even attempting to find the answer in any of the hundreds of posts asking the same question.

Just to finish off here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/3881004934?r=1321034934#1321034934) is a thread where me and spekkio exhibited our evil side and ridiculed and bashed that evil Jackie just because we are bad people that deserved to get perma banned.

[Moustacheo]

Thanks for all the replies. If you could get the screenshots M4, it would be much appreciated, but this is fine for now.

I totally agree with you element. I'm curious as to why Spekkio got banned, but since it is probably something ridiculously trivial it's probably not worth it. Shame that is what happens to people, even if they help out noobs such as myself.

[Spartan_M.A.D.]

Originally posted by Moustacheo:
I'm curious as to why Spekkio got banned He failed to fall for some kid's emo ballad and earned himself the ire of a mindlessly sympathetic mod by pointing out all the holes in the kid's bs story.

[Brutusn]

Element? Whut what mods?

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink"> This (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/3281071364) is the reason Spekkio was banned (it starts around page 4). Antagonizing another forum member in this way is NOT acceptable, I don't care how many noob guides you've put together. It's really a shame that he eliminated the possibility of being a further help to the community by deciding to pick on some kid.

For the record, Spartan, if you aren't falling "for some kid's emo ballad", the proper response is to say you don't buy it (or, even better, ignore it), and move on. You don't call the guy a liar or worse and then continue to antagonize him. Also, please recognize who made the decision. It wasn't a "mindlessly sympathetic mod". It was me. </span>

[Frelli.]

Pffft.

[element54]

Originally posted by Frelli.:
Pffft.

i agree Frelli.

I am not arguing the fact that spekkio got banned for his behivior. It was quite clear that he did breach the TOU, but to perma ban him seems a bit overboard especially when it seems so many people can get away with breaking the TOU everyday. We are well aware that not every single breach can be acted upon but when they continuously go on for days and days at a time it is just disheartening.

[Iryxian2]

I still believe he didn't deserve a ban. But only those with power have the opinions that matter.

[Chairmaker-US]

**The following rant is not about Spekkio.**

Jackie made a sig effectively condoning Spamming the forums. And Yet she has banned people for spamming in the past. So what conclusion should be drawn? One conclusion is of course... Spamming is only ok if she likes you. Members of the community do not feel this way without reason. She has repeatedly shown poor judgement and a lack of impartiality. Spekkio aside, Element's posted links highlight only some instances.

I believe Jackie is at heart a good person. In no way does that qualify her as a Moderator. Moderator is a lonely job. A solid mod should have no friends. The slightest hint of impartiality will cast doubt (real or immagined), on any decision the mod has made.

How is it that Xbox members can flame and spam to their hearts content in the PC forum (let alone their own). The inconsistency between the two forums is marked and has not gone unnoticed by the PC community. Element was banned and now Flaminggimp. Gimp has been banned without any prior warnings or incident without explanation.

Not everyone may have agreed with Gimp in the past but one thing should be considered. If one of our members can be banned without warning or explanation and has no history of impropriety (no warnings in PM or public over conduct in the past); It can happen to any of us. We did not stand for Element's ban and should not let this one slip buy as well. I can't see us getting Spekkio back; but there is no reason we should stand buy and let PC members continualy become banned while Xbox members with long histories of impudence stick around.

[Cataclysm]

Regardless of whether Spekkio's first ban was justifiable or not, his porn posting spree that followed was what put him six feet under.

FlamingGimp also got banned today for making a "PC>Xbox" thread in the Xbox forums on the grounds of attempting to start a flame war. Ironic how speaking the truth can condemn you in such odd ways...

[DucusSumus]

Oh now that's fu*king funny. Those X-Box fu*ks do that **** to us every fu*king day.

Turnabout is fair play. Let's round up all the PC players and assault the X-Box forums in response to Gimp's ban.

[Eclyps3]

I have hosted Spekk's noob guide on my Filefront folder here:

http://files.filefront.com/speksguidezip/;5305445;;/fileinfo.html

[Iryxian2]

Originally posted by Cataclysm:
Regardless of whether Spekkio's first ban was justifiable or not, his porn posting spree that followed was what put him six feet under.

FlamingGimp also got banned today for making a "PC>Xbox" thread in the Xbox forums on the grounds of attempting to start a flame war. Ironic how speaking the truth can condemn you in such odd ways... Yet hobbo isn't banned.

[redskirts]

actually read the entire post that banned spekk and i must admit as much as he spoke his OPINION, personal attack i dont think so. The "kid" and his buddies kept egging him on and why not, virtual crapola forums shouldn't mean squat for real life drama go to Myspace for that ****.

In reality you probably should have edited and removed his whole personal post, really it was wayyy off topic and just a lightning rod for dumb replies.

Gimp's ban, if it was for xbox vs pc has been done on the PC forums for years now and nobody (hobo) have been banned for it. Cat-ops temp ban back in the day for spamming like mad, fine a suspension sure. Give me a break, a ballplayer drags his wife down a street and gets suspended for a week and you ban someone from a Forum forever...please get real. A nice little community of what.....20 freckin people and you need to regulate....right.

[Cataclysm]

I'm just taken aback by how creating such a thread is deserving of a ban without forewarning. It’s especially ironic when you consider that the ban was directed towards someone who posts so infrequently, and even when they do post, it is often comprised largely of harmless or constructive material. You might think taking such variables into consideration before choosing a course action would involve a double standard of sorts â€" but it’s clear that this is already an accepted practice around here. After all, the Xbox forum trolls transcend many of the rules FlamingGimp did here in our own PC discussion area without any reprisals for their actions, so what gives?

Something really isn’t right with how the moderation of these forums is being handled, and I’m certain that many individuals feel the same way.

[Brutusn]

And not to speak of the Viva affair. 5 times ban and then he may come back. That is a piece of moderating that makes me cry.

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">It is truly unfortunate that our forum software and the administrative powers it grants us are not capable of containing irksome individuals like Viva who, for the record, has been banned time and time again and still comes back for more even after we have asked him to cease and desist. This is when we have to resort to calling their ISP and I am currently talking to Viva's ISP about his history of abuse on our forums.

Before accusing the moderators and admins of these forums for making unfair decisions and banning people on unjustified grounds, consider all that you do NOT see. You do NOT see all the warnings that we issue to people. You do NOT see the conversations that take place in PMs where we patiently explain to people how they have trangsressed upon the TOU. You do NOT see all the work we do to protect these forums from spammers, flamers, belligerent trolls, etc. So please, before criticizng, take a moment to acknowledge that you know very little of what goes on.

Redskirts, I have explained this before, but I will patiently explain it for you again. If your OPINION pertains to the PERSONAL LIFE of another individual, then this begins to cross the line into antagonism and personal attack. Spekkio wasn't disagreeing with the guy's opinion about whether or not the sky was blue, Spekkio was flat out calling him names and basically saying the guy is lying. None of us have any idea if his story was true or a story made up to get attention, but it is not our place nor our right on this forum to criticize him for it.

The line is where it pertains to someone's PERSONAL LIFE. It was certainly his fault for posting such private information, but Spekkio's judgment and criticisms based on this information was completely unacceptable and Spekkio.

You all seem to also forget that I have left the door open for Spekkio to talk to me about this. The message I sent him said that the ban would stand until he talked to me about it. He has not yet contacted me, but the door is still open. If he emails me or IMs me, I would STILL be happy to talk about it.

I have no history with the Gimp ban, but starting "PC vs Console" threads has been clearly stated as against TOU in the past. I will look into this particular incident, however.

By the way, everyone should look at DucusSumus's sig. Does that seem like an obvious reference to suicide to anyone else? </span>

[Iryxian2]

May we inquire as to why Randomhobbo has not been banned for some of his threads in the PC forum if Gimp was banned for the same in the Xbox's?

And Ducus's sig could just be encouraging you to buy a gun and go to a shooting range or join a gun club to meet some new friends. :]

[Chairmaker-US]

Rhoulette:

The main issue is the feeling of a double standard existing between how the forums rules are aplied by the moderators. If members deserve to be banned, then ban them. Somehow I doubt Gimp should have been perma banned without a single warning or explanation.

Links re: follow.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/899100304/m/2801094864
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3651075192/m/3611094864

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">I can certainly look into the Randomhobbo case for you. If you want to help me, pointing me to some examples of his offending posts would be great. I'd be happy to address this in a PM. I can do the research myself, too, but it goes faster when I have help.

And I am interpreting DucusSumus's sig in the context of the discussions for the past few weeks. Suicide is an OFF LIMITS topic and I made this clear when I discussed why he was banned right after it happened.

I make the same offer to DucusSumus that I made to Spekkio. Your username and IP are henceforth being banned from the Ubisoft forums. If you would like to discuss the reasoning with me, feel free to email me (rhoulette@ubisoft.com) and we can discuss it. Until such a discussion occurs, the ban will stand. </span>

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">My understanding is that Gimp was warned, but I am going to follow through to get the whole story before making a decision about the Gimp banning.

Chairmaker, I completel appreciate your concern about double-standards. We don't support them and have no intention of supporting them, but as you know, it can be very difficult to catch everything with a community this large. We try, however, and we greatly appreciate the community's assistance.

If you guys are seeing behavior that you think warrants moderation, please don't hesitate to point it out to us IN A PRIVATE MESSAGE. We don't condone bringing it up on the public forum because we don't want these kinds of things to erupt in a flame war. We also can't promise that we will agree with your charge, but we WILL look into it and take action if the situation calls for it. </span>

[scworld]

edit: unnecessary, Rhoulette posted at the same time, making my points meaningless.

[DrCactus]

Aparently, a vaild question such as where's Spekkios noob guide has turned into another "why the ban" thread.

This has been discussed many times over and over again, and like before I will not participate. HOWEVER, the location of spekkio's noob guide, is indeed a good question.

Spekkio's behavior on the forms might have been questionable, yet the guide he made should not have been removed. It is, and has been an asset to all newcomers to SvM. Even thought the player who wrote it, has been removed, his contributions to the community should not.

Thankfully someone has provided the location of the guide and hopefully, the community can now benefit from what good intentions Spekkio did have.

[lochang19]

Yay now Ducus is banned. What a wonderful snowball this is turning into! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Iservealot]

I personally think that Spekkio should be greatful to Rhoulette for allowing him the opportunity to discuss what happened with her.

Even after the pornographic posting.

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">Thank you, Iservealot, and again, that offer still stands to him.

Also, I agree that the n00b guide should stand no matter who posted it. I'll try to see what happened to it, but in the meantime, please refer to the links provided by other community members like M4 and eclyps3</span>

[Zedblade]

Originally posted by Iservealot:
I personally think that Spekkio should be greatful to Rhoulette for allowing him the opportunity to discuss what happened with her.

Even after the pornographic posting.

So when someone punches you in the face, instead of punching them back, you should just say "thanks for punching me in the face?"

Thats an extreme example, but its basically what you said.

Spekkio shouldn't have gotten banned for what he said to the kid. Its complete BS and the mods should be ashamed. His porn posting spree however was stupid and I'm sure the community could have gotten him unbanned, just as we did element, if he didn't do that.

[Chairmaker-US]

Rhoulette,

Is PT the same as a PM? If so is there any way to tell if the PM was read by the person it was sent to? If Gimp didn't know he was being warned.... As it stands (as of today) I can not check my PM's and I can not create PM's anyone.

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">Chair, you can see when someone has accepted the invitation to join the PM (which is the same as PT, yes. Private Message, Private Topic, same diff.)

As you know we've been having difficulty with polls lately, too, so I don't think the PM problem is just with you. We're working on getting these things fixed currently.

Zedblade, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I happen to fully disagree, and since my opinion and interpretation of the TOU is ultimately the one that matters around here when it comes to regulating the forums, he is banned.

On that note, I didn't ask for Spekkio's gratitude, I just gave him the opportunity to talk to me about why he was banned, and this was the condition of his being unbanned. He hasn't talked to me, so he's still banned. I'm reasonable. I'm willing to discuss things. He has had all the opportunity in the world to explain why he feels his actions were not worthy of a ban. In fact, before the porn posting, I was ready and willing to examine the case more carefully from his perspective.

At this point, I am still ready and willing to examine his case more carefully and consider his perspective, though things like the porn posting make his case for being unbanned much much much more difficult.</span>

[scworld]

edit: arg, wanted to post, then internet connection got droppped. Then there's already a reply when I answer... arg agr arg. Nice timing though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Chairmaker-US]

Rhoulette:
Were the warnings received by Gimp?

[Iservealot]

Posted Tue August 01 2006 17:23
Rhoulette:
Were the warnings received by Gimp?

She has already stated that, as far as she knows, a warning was issued.

[scworld]

According to policy, it should be in the email address he used when he signed up. Now that I think about it, I also didn't get one when I was banned during the forum-revolt. Might be because the person who did that didnt leave an explanation.

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">You're right about a couple things. There is apparently a problem with the system that is supposed to email you when your account is suspended. I literally sent an email to our software developers about this 2 hours ago when it became apparent on multiple occasions that people weren't getting these emails.

Second, I just tested my rhoulette@ubisoft.com email address from an outside location and - lo and behold - it bounced. This isn't your fault, of course, and I apologize for that bit of inconvenience. You can imagine that I smacked my forehead when I saw that bounce message. It's being fixed.

One thing you're wrong about, however: I did respond to your message. But it's possible that if you're Spekkio 2.5 account was suspended since you sent the PM, you wouldn't have received my reply back, but it wouldn't have told me that you were suspended. I will check now to see where that went.

Second thing that I feel you're wrong about is, again, about the original point for your banning. I agree that it was not great judgment on his part to post his personal information up there, but having the information available does not make it justifiable for you to criticize him about it. I cannot allow ANY criticism based on personal information because it becomes a very slippery slope. Consider this situation (warning: I'm going to use profanity to illustrate this example):

Someone says "hey, my dad died yesterday, and I'm completely distraught about it."

If someone else's response is "you're a liar, you're just saying that to get attention. Get over it, you *****", this person is attacking them on the basis of personal information they've posted and generally making the forums a hostile and unpleasant place to be. To be very specific, it's the name-calling that pushes this truly over the edge.

I cannot judget the CONTENT of someone's personal information any more than YOU can. I cannot say that Kenny's information about his relationship with his girlfriend is any more or less valid than what someone would say about the death of their father. The point is that these things are personal, they affect that individual's life and identity, and criticizing them about it (ie. calling them a "*****", for example, or indicating that they're a "*****" because of something they've said) is out of line and cannot be allowed.

Let's talk about what you ARE allowed to say. If you had just said "you're just saying this to get attention" I probably would have closed the thread to keep it from getting ugly and posted to explain that this kind of personal discussion doesn't belong on these forums. Does this make sense?

I appreciate that you reconciled with Kenny via PM. That counts for a lot, though this is the first I've heard of it. I will blame the unbelievably lame string of technical difficulties for that.

To take this a step further, and because my rhoulette@ubisoft.com address isn't working (though feel free to try rhoulette@fragdolls.com) I will post my IM contact where Mr.MIC can see it in case you'd like to continue this conversation there (hopefully you can understand why I won't post it publicly). I'm as perturbed as anyone that this has gotten so out of hand, but where you don't apologize for speaking your mind, I cannot apologize for making the decisions that I did. They were right then and I still believe they are right, and because of my confidence in these decisions, I would very much like to explore them further with you. Hopefully my explanations above have helped to clarify something. </span>

[Chairmaker-US]

I sent a PM! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[MR.Mic]

I will post my IM contact where Mr.MIC can see it
I'll be waiting

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">Posted and distributed.</span>

[eTo-NoSiS106]

all this time, i thought moustacheo was spekkio

[Rhoulette]

<span class="ev_code_pink">*sigh* I'm not putting words in your mouth because I didn't say you said that, I was creating an example to illustrate my point.

Let's try to resolve this over IM. </span>

[redskirts]

well looks like its getting back to normal in here... on my only part i would suggest that on a gamers forum such as these the

"my dad died yesterday" in off topic or not should NOT come to the front of any forum for discussion or attention. You talk to people or friends, those topics should just flat out be removed and any following posts ignored...but again my opinion on gaming forum. I don't play real life games i play buggy ole splinter cell. Lets get on with glitchy laggy games with bs grabs and stupid arguements over WHO IS THE BEST PLAYER.

Secondly, wow Rhoulette comes to play she's ROUGH and Tough with a Red PUFF... you should pick up a PC and come on in for some rounds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[scworld]

She said she played PC mostly... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chaosdarkmage]

Originally posted by Rhoulette:
<span class="ev_code_pink">
Let's try to resolve this over IM. </span>

Why? so you can keep your rep. on these forums and make it look like youve done nothing wrong?


Second thing that I feel you're wrong about is, again, about the original point for your banning. I agree that it was not great judgment on his part to post his personal information up there, but having the information available does not make it justifiable for you to criticize him about it. I cannot allow ANY criticism based on personal information because it becomes a very slippery slope.

justifiable? maybe not to you, but that still doesnt make banning him JUSTIFIABLE. I still see no good and right reason to have banned him.


I'm as perturbed as anyone that this has gotten so out of hand, but where you don't apologize for speaking your mind, I cannot apologize for making the decisions that I did

TFS_Jackie edit: h311 is an example of word filter evasion. Please refrain from doing this. Further instances may result in a ban.

[Noop-Ni]

Originally posted by Rhoulette:
<span class="ev_code_pink">I cannot allow ANY criticism based on personal information because it becomes a very slippery slope.</span>
People make criticisms based on personal information every day. In that thread, there were plenty of people insulting Spekkio, but none of them got banned. You obviously don't ban everyone who makes a criticism based on personal information.

Those double standards are so great.

[Chaosdarkmage]

Originally posted by Noop-Ni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rhoulette:
<span class="ev_code_pink">I cannot allow ANY criticism based on personal information because it becomes a very slippery slope.</span>
People make criticisms based on personal information every day. In that thread, there were plenty of people insulting Spekkio, but none of them got banned. You obviously don't ban everyone who makes a criticism based on personal information.

Those double standards are so great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Exactly.

[Moustacheo]

I'd just like to apologise for making a comment taking sides of this because whether my opinion was right or wrong, as such a new member of the community I don't know enough about what happened. Also I'm sorry for unwittingly turning this into a thread about Spekkio, I should have known that "I'm curious as to why Skpekkio got banned" was asking for it really. However, if this thread can lead to the problem finally being sorted out, I'll be glad.

[m4_007]

I found the guide.. Was somewhere in my 120GB of scrap that I'm going to flush in the next 30 minutes.

http://splintercellnetwork.com/speksguide.zip

[Cataclysm]

Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
h311 is an example of word filter evasion. Please refrain from doing this. Further instances may result in a ban.

Oh hell, that's BS!

[scworld]

???
I never saw Jackie say that.
As long as the word-filter doesnt kick in on the original, I dont see how spelling it in '1337'-speak would make a difference http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Chairmaker-US]

Look at the bottom of Chaosdarkmage's post. You can see where she editited the post and "said" that.

[scworld]

Point taken.

[vega13]

TFS_Jackie edit: h311 is an example of word filter evasion. Please refrain from doing this. Further instances may result in a ban.

oh come on jackie people do this every, single day and I don't see you telling them that they need to stop. Don't say you PM them because that's most likely not entirely true (if at all) and if you DO PM them, why not PM spekkio (chaos)?

On further notes about a the "PC>>>>>xbox," brownsnakeyes made a topic in the splinter cell 4 forums titled "pc and xbox debate" and the topic was closed, yet he was not banned. The body of his thread was "Ok, flame on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif(a bunch of of smiley faces)" basically (I can't see it at this time on this computer).

It's funny because things have already been set in motion and with the arrival of DA it's only going to get worse.

[King.noone]

Originally posted by M4_007:
I found the guide.. Was somewhere in my 120GB of scrap that I'm going to flush in the next 30 minutes.

http://splintercellnetwork.com/speksguide.zip

LoL! Good job finding it, after it has been posted on the first page of the thread!

[scworld]

Google's cache doesnt last forever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[m4_007]

Yup, and my version is PDF with Images.