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kahranx
04-05-2007, 02:12 PM
I doubt I'll get a decent reply to this but how do the in-game ads benefit us, the people who shelled out $65 for the game. Do they make the DLC cheaper? I don't think so. 800 points for 3 new maps? Cheaper game price? No, still $65.

I don't mind the ads at all because they aren't an eye sore and dont distract at all.

From my point of view, the only reason for the ads is to make more money.

"Oh but the ads help support the devs that work around the clock to provide additional conent and support." Really? I mean, wouldn't they be doing that regardless of the ads?

*sigh*

Morgethje
04-05-2007, 02:28 PM
First of: I believe theres still no real information about the price of the DLC.

Secondly they won't be giving us DLC no matter how much ads we have to endure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Theres a big thread about this though, look back a couple of pages.
There's some interesting stuff in there.

cypher235
04-06-2007, 06:04 AM
Ubisoft doesn't handle it's own in game ads. Massive Inc. handles those for them. The companies wishing to advertise pay Massive. Ubisoft in turn gets 1 to 2 dollars from the advertising per game sold.

http://www.massiveincorporated.com/

Read there if you don't believe me.

There's quite a few topics on this already, btw.

Goliath.Ubi.Dev
04-06-2007, 06:09 AM
Short answer, it equals more money for producing the game which = better quality.

That pretty much sums up the purpose of in game adds really.

navyredman
04-06-2007, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Short answer, it equals more money for producing the game which = better quality.

That pretty much sums up the purpose of in game adds really.

So we already know about the more money. We're wondering where the better quality is.

SpecialDeLuxe41
04-06-2007, 09:25 AM
The only map that I can think of that has ads is the Calypso Casino. If the ads bother you guys so much just go to a different map.


One in game ad I would like to see would be a giant taco bell sign on the church in border town http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

navyredman
04-06-2007, 11:46 AM
The only map that I can think of that has ads is the Calypso Casino. If the ads bother you guys so much just go to a different map.

Not very observent are ya?

zoompooky
04-06-2007, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by navyredman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Short answer, it equals more money for producing the game which = better quality.

That pretty much sums up the purpose of in game adds really.

So we already know about the more money. We're wondering where the better quality is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No Joke.

Vegas is the only game I have for the 360 that includes dynamic ads.

Vegas is also the only game I have for the 360 that locks up regularly, has looping sound issues, and constantly rips me "out of the game" with its numerous other glitches.

It's also obvious all that money didn't go towards customer support.

In software development there is a triangle that describes the environment. At the 3 points of the triangle are: FAST, CHEAP, GOOD.

You can only pick 2. The third is ALWAYS sacrificed to meet the other two.

So:
If you want it fast and cheap, it won't be good.
If you want it fast and good, it'll be expensive.
If you want it good and cheap, it'll take a long time.

Which did Ubi choose?

Hint:
a) They had to get it out roughly the same time as Gears, pre-holiday shopping season.
b) Ubi is in business to make money, as evidenced by their 1200 point ultra-rediculous DLC costs for GRAW.

cypher235
04-06-2007, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Short answer, it equals more money for producing the game which = better quality.

That pretty much sums up the purpose of in game adds really.

Thank you for an answer Goliath. I think a lot of people around here were confused about this.
As I speculated in the other threads concerning this topic, the money from the advertising went into developing/producing the game. Now you confirmed it.

Anyways thank you for taking the time to answer a simple question. Maybe now we can put this topic to rest.

Thanks.

navyredman
04-06-2007, 05:35 PM
Thank you for an answer Goliath. I think a lot of people around here were confused about this.
As I speculated in the other threads concerning this topic, the money from the advertising went into developing/producing the game. Now you confirmed it.

Anyways thank you for taking the time to answer a simple question. Maybe now we can put this topic to rest.

Thanks.

When did anybody ever say the money went else where?

We all knew where the money went, it's not like it's a big secret. We want to know where we get to see the money. It's certainly not in this game. The graffics are not great, the game play is the most buggy I've ever played. Ubi charges more than almost anybody else for DLC. DLC is late. Customer support is TERRIBLE.

So where's all the extra money show? We know they've got it.

EGxMgsRbx
04-06-2007, 06:09 PM
There are 2 good reasons for ingame advertising.

1 (and most obvious). It makes the developer and company more money which leads to better content.
2. It makes the game more realistic. I mean in GTA wouldnt you rather drive around in a brand named and fully licenced car?

zoompooky
04-06-2007, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by EGxMgsRbx:
There are 2 good reasons for ingame advertising.

1 (and most obvious). It makes the developer and company more money which leads to better content.
2. It makes the game more realistic. I mean in GTA wouldnt you rather drive around in a brand named and fully licenced car?

1. Again, where's this better content? What we have here is one of the buggiest games on this or any other console. This thing rivals ET for the Atari 2600 in rushed-to-market goodness.

2. More realistic? Where every vehicle is a Dodge? Where casinos have Intel ads in their slot rooms?

Have you never BEEN to vegas?

EGxMgsRbx
04-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Ok maybe every car is made by Daimer-Chrysler but would you rather it have no characteristics at all.

zoompooky
04-06-2007, 07:05 PM
If I could make a trade, such that a few of the more annoying bugs were fixed and in return all the cars in the game looked like boxes with wheels... I'd take it.

DredlyLB
04-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by zoompooky:
If I could make a trade, such that a few of the more annoying bugs were fixed and in return all the cars in the game looked like boxes with wheels... I'd take it.

Me too... heck I could live without ANY cars in the game. Who cares about the cars! Make people stop shooting through the damn walls! Fix the lag issues, fix the bullet lag problems, fix the looping, fix the crashing...

FIX THE GAME!

navyredman
04-06-2007, 07:39 PM
There's been plenty of other great games that had no real anything in it. Fake Coke machine, fake Chevy trucks, fake stores. Who cares? The second you start adding the real thing in there and collecting money, I better start seeing some type of kick back. Better game play, more options, better customer support, bug free game play, free content downloads.

I don't know who plays GRAW2 on here, but watched the game play footage on the UFC fights last night and couldn't believe the amount of in your face ads in that game.

Setting: Desert city very sandy road, everythign sun bleached....

Then in front of you a HUUUUGE Dodge billboard that has all the colors of the rainbow and is directly above the firefight.

Oh yeah, that's what I call realistic.

Then every freakin car in the game is a 2007 Dodge Avenger that looks brand new. Isn't GRAW2 like the year 2030 or something. lol REALISTIC!!!??? What a crock!!

TW_Night_Fox
04-06-2007, 08:07 PM
2014

TROUBLENSB
04-06-2007, 11:21 PM
First let me state that I appreciate Goliath taking the time to post in here. We look forward to participation from the Devs.

Without trying to flame him, let me state this...

I don't see where the money went into this game. I don't see anything spectacular in Vegas that stands out compared to other games on the market. Sure, there are a few gimmicks, but there are alot of bugs, and alot of glitches.

It seems to me that if companies like Capco can afford Dedicated Servers for games like Chromehounds, a game that was $50.00 at release, then RB6 with it's extra income from in game ads and $60.00 price tag should definately have this feature. Just adding dedicated servers to the mix would help to solve so many issues with this game. Anyways, good luck, just tossing in my 2 cents. Thanks.

TROUBLENSB

cypher235
04-07-2007, 09:54 AM
Could they have taken the money made from in game ads and used it to develop another game instead.

Maybe one of the devs secretly moved the money from R6 funding to fund GRAW 2. Hmmmm, it's all big conspiracy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



Note: I was being sarcastic about the second part, but not that first part.

dave_lcd
04-07-2007, 05:52 PM
Has anyone considered that all this stuff plays a big part in creating a realistic environment.

When you watch The Sopranos and they make their numerous references to 'The Godfather' do you spit your cornflakes all over yourself and start a petition to get HBO to lower the subscription price or do you just accept it as something which enhances the product?

Wake up sunshine, there is no conspiracy. The head of Ubi isn't counting all his comp bottles of Axe laughing at you.

navyredman
04-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Wake up sunshine, there is no conspiracy. The head of Ubi isn't counting all his comp bottles of Axe laughing at you.

Actually cupcake he is. Why don't you do some research. He came out publicaly boasting about the money he was making with dynamic ads. Nice try junior.

locsphere12
04-07-2007, 09:42 PM
I work for comcast and it wasn't until I played Double Agent that I knew that we offered 8mbps or 8meg/1 to non commercial accounts with out the ads I would still have a slower internet connection and I work for the company so I like the ads because it was beneficial for me and comcast

TROUBLENSB
04-08-2007, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by dave_lcd:
Has anyone considered that all this stuff plays a big part in creating a realistic environment.

When you watch The Sopranos and they make their numerous references to 'The Godfather' do you spit your cornflakes all over yourself and start a petition to get HBO to lower the subscription price or do you just accept it as something which enhances the product?

Wake up sunshine, there is no conspiracy. The head of Ubi isn't counting all his comp bottles of Axe laughing at you.


With all due respect, your analogy is a little off. It should go more like this....

I watch the Sopranos where everyone in the show drives a Dodge vehicle. During the show I notice that the wall art in the lead character's house change week to week, but instead of being the fancy art we would expect in a Gangster's house, it is ads for an upcoming film or male health care products. With all of this added and unrealistic advertising, I expect to see a difference in the quality of the programming, but I don't. Hmmm....

Thanks.

TROUBLENSB

P.S. Having been to Vegas, I can definately say that I don't remember a plethera of Dodge Vehicles and/or walls covered in Ads.

Philipz
04-08-2007, 01:15 AM
Bottom line is that in-game ads only further pad the producers of said game. We see no benefit unless you believe that more visual spam is necessary beyond what we already experience on a daily basis.

navyredman
04-08-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Philipz:
Bottom line is that in-game ads only further pad the producers of said game. We see no benefit unless you believe that more visual spam is necessary beyond what we already experience on a daily basis.

Exactly!!!

randolfphe
04-08-2007, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Short answer, it equals more money for producing the game which = better quality.

That pretty much sums up the purpose of in game adds really.

apparently your definition of better qualitiy differs from 90 percent of the community's. gg

reminds me of all those humanitarian organization scandals where upper management line their pocket and only about 5 percent go to the real cause.

cypher235
04-08-2007, 08:38 PM
Okay mister I don't read entire posts before I post about them. As I said I was being sarcastic. Now I don't know if you know the meaning of that word. In terms you can understand, it means I was joking.

I know that advertising go into creating the games and I think everyone else here knows it too. They just don't want to believe it because they don't think the game is up to their standards.

FreedomKilla
04-09-2007, 10:12 PM
Becuase the game companies want money, they probably spent alot of money on their game, and there is no benefit for us whatsoever.

cypher235
04-10-2007, 12:27 AM
Bingo.