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Double_Agent121
06-18-2008, 11:42 PM
Hey guys...guess who might be getting a new PC??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Link:
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2685_Apus_AM2_A4800_...stem__Dual_Core_4800 (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2685_Apus_AM2_A4800_Gaming_PC_System__Dual_Core_ 4800)

hehe it'll be a while before I have the cash but eventually I hope to get it.

WhiteKnight77
06-19-2008, 11:13 AM
While not wanting to disuade you from getting it, I want you to realize that some of those parts are a bit old and might not play newer games that well. Something to think about.

dacoolstas
06-19-2008, 02:26 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif i agree, although it is a VERY good deal for what it has in it.

if that proccessor was just up'ed alittle to a 5000+ and that video card to a 8800GT then it would be better.

but that is a very good deal. VERY. i think you should buy it, and then if you want, upgrade it. But this mother board has a AM2 socket, Meaning its not compaptable with the new AM2+ proccessors, which in the future you night consider using.

quillan
06-19-2008, 03:09 PM
That price would be in Australian dollars, right, since it's a site down under? Not sure of the current exchange rate. Personally, I'd recommend a system with some variety of a Core 2 Duo in it, and if you decide to go with that one I'd DEFINITELY recommend you try upgrading the video card to an 8800GT.

Double_Agent121
06-19-2008, 06:56 PM
Yeah well I have been thinking the same things as you guys but the system I'm running now can barely run Need for Speed Underground 1. It has 512MBS RAM, Integrated Graphics Card and and an Intel Celeron 2.40GHZ proccessor so this one would be a huge improvement. About the upgrading that was my whole intention as it will be first self bought PC(My current one is shared with my parents http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif)and I just want to get a base one to improve on. As the name says "Budget Gaming PC" does show that I'm also not running high on cash.

@guillan- Yes that is in Aus dollars and the exchange rate is about 93 US cents to 1 AUD...last time I checked which was a few weeks ago.

@dacoolstas- That is one thing I'm not too familiar with...AMD proccessors so I didn't know that. I'm more inclined to Intel and would rather buy and Intel PC but this one's price is better than any Intel one I've seen.

Thanks for the replies and advice guys. I'll chew it over till the end of the year when it's my B-day too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif maybe I can score it then from my parents.

WhiteKnight77
06-19-2008, 10:50 PM
The above PC will be a big improvement over the one you are currently using and should run the game you want to play with no problem. You will have some upgrade room, but not to newer tech.

dacoolstas
06-20-2008, 06:26 PM
@double agent: well funny actualy, im more knowledgable towards the AMD then the intel proccessor. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Well AMD proccessor's have Intergrated memory controllers on the CPU so, they can work very well even at low speeds. So a 2.6 stock proccessor can run the same or better then a intel 3.0ghz.

just somthing to chew over http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MeloniesHomeboy
06-21-2008, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by dacoolstas:
@double agent: well funny actualy, im more knowledgable towards the AMD then the intel proccessor. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Well AMD proccessor's have Intergrated memory controllers on the CPU so, they can work very well even at low speeds. So a 2.6 stock proccessor can run the same or better then a intel 3.0ghz.

just somthing to chew over http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well that used to be the case anyways.

But yeah, if you want I can put you one together, ill post links in a bit.

Alright, here you go, just remember, dont let building a computer intimidate you, its quite simple.

BTW, this will obliterate what you have posted.

ATI 4850 512mb (outperforms 9800GTX) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102747

BIOSTAR Intel P35 Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138075

Core 2 Duo E6850 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028

G.SKILL 2gb DDR2 RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Seagate Barracude 250GB Sata 3.0 Hard drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148261

Lite On DVD/CD/Everything drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106072

RAIDMAX Smilodon Case with 500w PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156062

Total - $670.00 US dollars.

Keep in mind, any computer hardware savvy person here will tell you that this PC will obliterate that PC that was in the link you posted.

EDIT: ahhh, just realized, do you live in Australia?

dacoolstas
06-23-2008, 02:16 PM
thats a sweet list you put together http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
although it would be a pain to see that he is from Australia http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

its kinda funny, i actully own that exact case you recomended. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Double_Agent121
06-23-2008, 11:35 PM
Thanks guys...especially John. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifunfortunately I am in AUS.

hehe that PC looks sweet! always wanted to build my own PC just never had cash...guess you gotta know the right places to pick up good parts cheaply. I'm also like I said before, not knowledgeable enough on what parts are really better...my mind tends to think sometimes that bigger number=better performance but sometimes that number is just a code used for what kind of card it is. I'm new to gaming and always used to be more into cars but it has all changed now.
Would I be able to order those things to Aus and assemble it myself?(I have tinkered with all my old PCs)

Final note- I have been thinking also about buying an X-Box 360 rather..just a smidgen of a thought, because all the games I wanna play are out or coming out on X-Box..like FARCRY 2 and its cheaper to buy than a PC.

Thanks again for all the help.

dacoolstas
06-23-2008, 11:44 PM
Posted on wikipedia:
Far Cry 2 is an upcoming first person shooter published by Ubisoft and is the sequel to Far Cry. Crytek, developers of the original game, are not involved in the development of Far Cry 2. The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 versions were announced on January 3, 2008, and will ship simultaneously with the PC version.



its coming out for the PC aswell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
yes, by all means go for an xbox 360. it has some cool exlusives and Xbox live is awosme.

most PC gamers have a console aswell anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Double_Agent121
06-24-2008, 01:17 AM
yeah I knew about it coming out on PC...thats the whole reason for my sudden desire to own a PC or X-Box 360...I'm from South Africa originally and I've just fallen in love with the concept of FARCRY 2's 50 square Kilometers of wilderness... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif....looks soooooo awesome.
and I think the X-Box has an extra version of FARCRY 1? FARCRY predator or something like that? I want to get the originals too even though they are in no way connected.

Double_Agent121
06-24-2008, 11:43 PM
Sorry...I know I'm double posting but anyway.
Something happened last night that pushed me further towards wanting a PC more than an X-Box...
My PC crashed...worst of all my dad was away for work overnight which left me to make the big decisions on wether or not to risk my dad's and my files and try fix it. The good news is that I did fix it without ruining anything...
It was a virus that had corrupted the system configuration so that the PC wouldn't boot up. Managed to fix it and remove the virus, but now I'm almost to scared to sneeze around this PC as it is the second time its done something serious and about the hundredth time in a year that its given any trouble at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif this is what I felt like doing last night http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
As opposed to what I acctually did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


EDIT: I saw that thing that John gave in the PC 'help' thread and did it...here's the screenshots of my system's stats.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd117/Vaughnwithneed4speed/SystemScreenshot.jpg
Slightly further down the page so you can see the rest.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd117/Vaughnwithneed4speed/SystemScreenshot2.jpg

Stealth_chill
06-25-2008, 12:28 AM
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">i say try building your PC by getting parts from newegg.com. its cheaper and you can get a much much much more powerful PC. cause that isn't the fastest comp. in the world you have there</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MeloniesHomeboy
06-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Ok, some things that need addressing here, you really should convert those FAT32 drives to NTFS, second, im assuming you have a partitioned hard drive, meaning its split into 2 sections, so I got a question, which section is XP installed on? Cause if its on the C: section, that could be a big part of a problem, XP will barely operate right on 1.6 gb of free space.

Double_Agent121
06-26-2008, 05:05 AM
@ Stealth Chill- thats what John was showing me. The PC that I showed the stats for is shared with my dad so thats why I wanna upgrade...to get my own PC.


@Melonieshomeboy- Just gonna give you a little history of this PC quickly just for clarity's sake.I moved to Perth a year ago and while we were waiting for the shipping container to come with all our things someone we met offered my dad a new PC. The one I am currently using. My dad accepted but he kinda just gave it to us as he had been using it so the HDD is a mess full of things he has put on and as you mentioned. He partitioned the HDD...the whole year we have had it, it has been a mission to keep the thing stable and working. He didn't give us the Windows XP CD so we can't just erase the harddrive and start over without buying a new OS and PCs aren't high on my dad's priority list, unfortunately. I got given an even older laptop by my uncle that I now only use for my graphics tablet but I had to format the HDD and install windows again to get it working nicely and that has been perfect.(he was kind enough to give me the original XP CD)...anyway so there you have it, my PC history. Thats why my main interests are to get my own PC and put everything on myself so that I know exactly what has been done.I think everyone else also agrees that there is nothing worse that using a PC where somebody else has set it up to their liking. Now I'll go back to the tech talk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I'm not sure how to change the FAT32 drives...and didn't even know there was anything different.What sorta improvements would it make?
I also just discovered that my PC's HDD was partitioned. I new that it was possible but it had never clicked in my mind that was what was happening.When the PC crashed the other night I had to repair the system config with my laptop's Windows CD and it accepted that Windows was installed on the C: drive so I guess it must be.
Is there anyway to remove the partition without loosing the files on the HDD?


As a Last note I'm also going to be asking my Uncle who is also a serious gamer, and has been since I was too young to understand a thing about PCs, for some help too. Apparently he just speant a few thousand US$ on full a brandnew gaming PC.

MeloniesHomeboy
06-26-2008, 12:53 PM
Ok, converting first, its simple, go to start<assessories<command prompt....now since its partition you'll have to do both seperate I believe, so your C: drive is first, just type in the command prompt window

"convert c: /fs:ntfs"

(without "") simple as that. This will add security to the drive, possibly cut down on your virus condition. Not sure about the partition, pretty sure a program called partition magic will take care of that, just do some googling. BTW I would suggest having some sort of backup when joining partitions, nothing is safe when messing with the HDD.

Double_Agent121
06-26-2008, 07:06 PM
Ok thats interesting. I'll give it a go.Might leave ther partition up and just move some files over to the almost empty partition.

I also saw this and was wondering if it would be any better than the Graphics card you recommened to me?
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2535_PALIT_NVIDIA_GE..._1GB_PCIE_VIDEO_CARD (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2535_PALIT_NVIDIA_GEFORCE_8600GT_1GB_PCIE_VIDEO_ CARD)

It is cheaper and it's a 1 gig card. The only thing I am doubting is that it is cheaper than the one you recommened. So would it perform better or even the same as the 512 MB one?

EDIT:
I tried to match the parts you recommended and duplicate the PC on that AUS site I showed the first PC from and here's what I got. Could you possibly take a look and tell me if it is compareable.I tried to get exactly the same parts so thats all I really want is confirmation that it is the same.

INTEL CORE 2 DUO E8400 - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3256_INTEL_CORE_2_DU..._30Hz_6MB_LGA775_CPU (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3256_INTEL_CORE_2_DUO_E8400_30Hz_6MB_LGA775_CPU)
PALIT P35A MOTHERBOARD ATX SOCKET 775 P35 CHIPSET - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3376_PALIT_P35A_MOTH...CKET_775_P35_CHIPSET (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3376_PALIT_P35A_MOTHERBOARD_ATX_SOCKET_775_P35_C HIPSET)
PALIT NVIDIA GEFORCE 9600GT - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3461_PALIT_NVIDIA_GEFORCE_9600GT
(or the graphics card I gave the link to above. Whichever is better.)
Corsair 2GB Twin2X 6400 DDR2 RAM - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_504_Corsair_2GB_Twin2X_6400_DDR2_RAM
SAMSUNG 250GB SATAII 8MB HARD DISK DRIVE - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_1475_SAMSUNG_250GB_S..._8MB_HARD_DISK_DRIVE (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_1475_SAMSUNG_250GB_SATAII_8MB_HARD_DISK_DRIVE)
LG SATA DVD REWRITER OEM - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3573_LG_SATA_DVD_REWRITER_OEM
(The CD/DVD writer isn't essential unless the age makes a difference as my first PC that doesn't even work anymore has a DVD ROM in it.)
NZXT HUSH BLACK With BLUE LED ATX CASE - http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2572_NZXT_HUSH_BLACK_With_BLUE_LED_ATX_CASE
(I personally prefer the case you recommended, but they don't have it on this site.)

Total price = $766.65 AUD(The exchangerate last night was 0.95 US$ to 1 AU$)
Price without DVD writer and with the cheaper graphics card from the top = $631.70 AUD.
If I really need a DVD writer I can buy that at a later stage unless a specific CD/DVD drive.

MeloniesHomeboy
06-26-2008, 09:52 PM
Nice job dude, 9600gt will pwn that 8600 or w/e, 9600GT is a great card, but, if I were you, I would go for the 8800GT, its about 20 bucks more but more than worth the performance, and one other thing, im not sure about that case, I dont know whether it comes with a power supply, down at the specs it says its optional...but anyways, other than that, everything looks great.

Although I would go with this motherboard,

http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4400_GIGABYTE_GAEP35...S775_P35_Motherboard (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4400_GIGABYTE_GAEP35DS3L_S775_P35_Motherboard)

Heres the other card I was talking about, if you have the extra money go for this.

http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GE...DR3_PCI_EXPRESS_VIDE (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GEFORCE_8800GT_512MB_DDR3_PCI_ EXPRESS_VIDE)

dacoolstas
06-26-2008, 10:01 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif listen to this guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stay away from the 9600GT, its basically an overclocked piece of junk.

I had that card in my box awhile ago and would get this crash that would give me the "BSOD" not blue, a BLACK screen of death, When playing video games. the screen would just shut off and i would have to restart my PC. (aswell with sound)

i spent hours tring to figure out what the hell to do, i even replaced my PSU.
in the end it was the card and i exchanged it for a 8800GT, no problems anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

here is a thread about the problem if your curious

http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t61430.html

Double_Agent121
06-27-2008, 02:01 AM
Thanks...the graphics cards and motherboards are the 2 most important things and I had no clue which one to choose..so thanks for that advice.

about the case, I had also been suspicious of the 'optional power supply' thing. I prefer the case you recommended ealier though and its cheaper so I'd be more likely to order that and just pay the extra shipping.
I found it here from an AUS supplier:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4219

Edit:
Building my PC has been on my mind almost 24 hours a day the past few days. I just remembered another thing I wanted to ask. What do you think of overclocking? Does your PC then have 'special' needs as far as power supply cooling etc.? and will it affect the longterm durability of your CPU? I'm not looking to overclock seriously just a small amount like 0.2-0.4GHZ extra. I think thats all for now.

quillan
06-27-2008, 09:40 AM
My recommendation is that you don't overclock it. A small overclock like that isn't going to give you any benefit. If you're going to overclock, then learn about it and do it right. Personally, I don't. I do buy factory overclocked video cards, but for most items overclocking voids the warranty.

Overclocking can possibly damage components or shorten the life of them, and can also cause assorted instability issues that can be hard to track down.

MeloniesHomeboy
06-27-2008, 12:25 PM
Well it all depends, that CPU that I recommended will not need any overclocking, period, thats for sure, granted to say I wouldnt recommend it, would be slightly hypocritical, because ive personally gained a lot by it, it used to be a lot more complicated than it is now, theres even major companys like Intel who even make there own overclocking tools for the users, heres a little video about what im referring to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaGnrUMrils

But yeah, your gonna get the most by overclocking your video card, if you decide to overclock, Nvidia's own drivers come with a overclocking option now, you used to have to unlock it before, but now its standard. Also, it depends on your card, you probably wont get too much out of a 8800GT because of its single slot fan design, however, personally I have a card which is a dual slot fan design (bigger fan), ive oc'd my 8800GTS from stock (670mhz) to 770MHZ, stable, with no artifacts, meaning its staying cool enough to run games without any graphical glitches. When you do decide to overclock, you want to do it in increments of 10mhz or so, and you'll be doing that with both memory clock, and your core clock, test it every 10mhz, use 3dmark, specifically 3dmark 06. Now the whole overclocking reduces the life of your card is simply assumptions I believe, I had my previous card oc'd from the beginning, ive had it for about 2 years or more, no problem, now thats not a problem for me because I usually upgrade my card every two years. Beyond that, I say if you can keep it cool, than it shouldnt cause any damage. Personally I wouldnt worry about overclocking that 8800GT, it wont get you much, unless you put a aftermarket cooling system on it, which in that case, you would be better off with a more expensive card, although they do make a dual slot fan 8800GT,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130359

If you reaaally want to overclock, id recommend that. But yeah, successful overclocking has a lot to do with circumstances, how cool your case is, card, etc. In a lot of respects, its a game in itself.

BTW, I would go ahead and go with the RAIDMAX case, its really really solid.

Icecube1137
06-27-2008, 04:28 PM
Since we are talking about new pcs, I thought I would post my KILLER gaming rig on steroids:

40GB hard drive space
256 MB Ram
2.0 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 Processor
NVIDIA Geforce MX 420

Double_Agent121
06-28-2008, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by MeloniesHomeboy:
Well it all depends, that CPU that I recommended will not need any overclocking, period, thats for sure, granted to say I wouldnt recommend it, would be slightly hypocritical, because ive personally gained a lot by it, it used to be a lot more complicated than it is now, theres even major companys like Intel who even make there own overclocking tools for the users, heres a little video about what im referring to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaGnrUMrils

But yeah, your gonna get the most by overclocking your video card, if you decide to overclock, Nvidia's own drivers come with a overclocking option now, you used to have to unlock it before, but now its standard. Also, it depends on your card, you probably wont get too much out of a 8800GT because of its single slot fan design, however, personally I have a card which is a dual slot fan design (bigger fan), ive oc'd my 8800GTS from stock (670mhz) to 770MHZ, stable, with no artifacts, meaning its staying cool enough to run games without any graphical glitches. When you do decide to overclock, you want to do it in increments of 10mhz or so, and you'll be doing that with both memory clock, and your core clock, test it every 10mhz, use 3dmark, specifically 3dmark 06. Now the whole overclocking reduces the life of your card is simply assumptions I believe, I had my previous card oc'd from the beginning, ive had it for about 2 years or more, no problem, now thats not a problem for me because I usually upgrade my card every two years. Beyond that, I say if you can keep it cool, than it shouldnt cause any damage. Personally I wouldnt worry about overclocking that 8800GT, it wont get you much, unless you put a aftermarket cooling system on it, which in that case, you would be better off with a more expensive card, although they do make a dual slot fan 8800GT,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130359

If you reaaally want to overclock, id recommend that. But yeah, successful overclocking has a lot to do with circumstances, how cool your case is, card, etc. In a lot of respects, its a game in itself.

BTW, I would go ahead and go with the RAIDMAX case, its really really solid.


I think then seeing as this is my first self bought PC I'll leave the overclocking. Maybe I'll try it on my second PC when I've been in the game for a while.

I'm planning on buying the parts for the PC as I get enough for them so I'll get the prioritised parts first. The case is first on my list because that can't really go out of date and that is the one part I am absolutely sure that I want and won't settle for anything else case wise. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifIts an awesome looking case. Then I'll probably get my parents to get things like the graphics card and proccessors for Christmas and my birthday. I can use my $15 a month allowance for the RAM and DVD RW ROM and HDD etc.

ORsaleen
06-28-2008, 01:43 AM
Actually saw a HP Quad Core, 1 tera hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, for $600.

Double_Agent121
06-28-2008, 04:19 AM
That's interesting. Where did you see that?

dacoolstas
06-30-2008, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Icecube1137:
Since we are talking about new pcs, I thought I would post my KILLER gaming rig on steroids:

40GB hard drive space
256 MB Ram
2.0 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 Processor
NVIDIA Geforce MX 420

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif LOL


Actually saw a HP Quad Core, 1 tera hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, for $600

it probably was a in-store deal. Go into a PC parts store in your area, they almost ALWAYS have good deals and rebates.

MeloniesHomeboy
06-30-2008, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by ORsaleen:
Actually saw a HP Quad Core, 1 tera hard drive, 4 gigs of ram, for $600.

None of that means anything when you dont list the video card.

Double_Agent121
06-30-2008, 10:56 PM
Yeah and you don't get to choose all the stuff you want like I'm getting to do with this PC.

one more question:
How well is this PC going to run games released within the last year? Will I be at least able to run newish games without 'frame jumping'?

MeloniesHomeboy
07-01-2008, 08:09 AM
What resolution do you run your games at?

scworld
07-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Talking about pwnage:

Intel C2Q Q9450 @ 2.66GHz
8 GB DDR2-1066 OCZ RAM (4x2GB)
Club3D ATI 4870, 512MB GDDR5
Asus P5E motherboard
Xonar DX Soundcard

All at normal stockspeeds.


To my great surprise it had around 59 frames per second in Unreal Tournament 3, which was completely maxed out.
By that I mean:

Resolution: 2035x1538 (<---insane)
Intense Postprocessing
Hardware Physics (I guess my graphic card does that. Not sure. Enabled anyway XD)
V-sync on (yup, why not if you got plenty of fps :P)
world and texture detail at 5 (maximum)
rest also at maximum.

There's no option left to make it go higher (unless you tweak inis I think). AT 59 FPS. No lag. It's heaven.

MeloniesHomeboy
07-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Unreal 3 makes good use of quads, not many games do right now unfortunately, but that one definitely does. Speaking of, OC that C2Q! Stock cooling you should be able to get near 700mhz more out of it.

Double_Agent121
07-03-2008, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by MeloniesHomeboy:
What resolution do you run your games at?

Well not having ever had a really good PC I usually just use whatever the game opens on or whichever is fastest. So maybe 1204x768 if this PC is faster than anything I have ever used. Seems like a lot of new games are running higher resolutions with LCDs though. Which is another thing I'll want to eventually buy as when I just get this PC running I'll be using the old hand me down CRT monitor from my broken PC. I'm curous as to which kind of LCD is better looking. I've seen monitors that are square like all CRTs and wide screen ones. So is there any noticeable difference when you are using the PC?

Agentx_OO3
07-03-2008, 02:17 AM
if you wanna talk lcds , download xfire n ill help you , im an expert in that field .

agentx003 is my xfire handle.

Double_Agent121
07-03-2008, 03:15 AM
ok..I just download xfire the other day so I'll add you now...if I get it right.

BTW my xfire username is V.C.Lester

scworld
07-03-2008, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by MeloniesHomeboy:
Unreal 3 makes good use of quads, not many games do right now unfortunately, but that one definitely does. Speaking of, OC that C2Q! Stock cooling you should be able to get near 700mhz more out of it.

Just OC'd a bit of my graphics card. I went a bit below the Automatic Overclocker, just to be sure. Don't want to ruin such a card within a week, lol.
Normal: 750 core/900memory. Autotuner: 780 core/1090 memory. My careful version: 760 core/1060 memory. Still almost 18% increase in memory speed.

I'll try OC'ing the CPUs and the RAM later.

Icecube1137
07-07-2008, 03:19 PM
lol omg, you guys are such computer geeks lol.

I seriously have no idea what "quads" or the "automatic overclocker" or alot of the other stuff mentioned is lol.

quillan
07-07-2008, 04:17 PM
"Quad" is a processor with 4 cores. It's an extension of the dual-core concept that's been the rage for a couple of years now. As for "Automatic overclocker", some hardware comes from the factory already overclocked, rather than you doing it manually.

MeloniesHomeboy
07-08-2008, 08:25 AM
Automatic overclocker can also refer to software provided by the motherboard maker, say ASUS (along with just about every other maker) they have a program that has options to auto overclock your system with preset overclocking settings.

Anyways, got a friend to buy my current dual core AMD and motherboard and memory, im goin to a Q6600 quad w00t! Was debating on that or something like what scworld had purchased, chose this one simply because of its overclocking abilitys, ill be able to get around 3.2ghz from the original 2.4 without any other changes cept the front side bus....ima get my nerd on son!

quillan
07-08-2008, 10:38 AM
I can do that with my Abit board; it's part of the uGuru utility. I just never do. I do use the factory overclocked video cards, though. Overclocking most items voids the warranty on it.

MeloniesHomeboy
07-08-2008, 11:01 AM
Yeah, I ive had two Abit boards, highly underrated company IMO, Im going Asus this time, so we'll see. The uguru utility ive played around with didnt have a lot of overclock, mybe a 20% oc at the most on my old AMD 3500, which isnt bad, but OC'ing isnt really as difficult as some people may think, most of the time its simply about adjusting your FSB speed, then after you hit a wall with just that, start raising your CPU voltage a tad, then that will give you some head room until you hit a wall again, main thing is making it stable, takes some time in a benchmark program like prime95, not a big deal though. But yeah, surprisingly a lot of companys support OC, even if it does void the warrenty lol

Double_Agent121
07-11-2008, 11:35 PM
Hi guys...sorry I havn't been on that much, just been quite busy.

About the Raidmax Smilodon case...I'm not too worried about heat myself as all my PCs have never has any fans appart from the CPU cooling fan, but I'll just put this out anyway. Some people are saying that the 80mm exhaust fan at the back isn't enough even though there are 2 extra slots that you can fit 2 more 80mm exhaust fans onto. In your experience has the case been hot at times? And what about liquid cooling? Is this case compatible enough for liquid cooling?

MeloniesHomeboy
07-12-2008, 11:58 AM
Saying it isnt enough is probably just an assumption on there parts, or they dont realize it has a 120mm fan in the lower front, yes its not as most cases are with 120mm fan in front as opposed to the back, but it still stays cool and is an excellent case.

scworld
07-12-2008, 12:20 PM
My case has room for like 9 large fans, but I only use 2 currently. Still need to get at least 1 extra to be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MeloniesHomeboy
07-12-2008, 07:54 PM
Oh I remember what I was gonna ask, do you have 3dmark 06 scworld? If so have you ran the benchmark?

scworld
07-13-2008, 03:07 AM
Yeah, but I'm waiting for the official 4870 drivers to be released first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. Then I need some CPU overclocking, but I suck at that.

MeloniesHomeboy
07-13-2008, 09:14 AM
Well heres a complete Quad core OC guide posted at a forums I frequent.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1198647

Double_Agent121
07-14-2008, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by MeloniesHomeboy:
Saying it isnt enough is probably just an assumption on there parts, or they dont realize it has a 120mm fan in the lower front, yes its not as most cases are with 120mm fan in front as opposed to the back, but it still stays cool and is an excellent case.

Ok thanks...I thought it would be cool enough because as I said I have never had any extra fans in any of my PCs...they have only had the CPU cooling fan and the PSU fan. I'm currently going insane though because there is only 1 website that sells it in or too Australians and they are charging $140 for it plus $30 shipping so it will cost $170 overall and then I look at the US sites and see u guys can get it for $75 plus shipping and some sites even ship for free so I envy you Americans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Wanna move there.

scworld
07-14-2008, 04:45 AM
Thanks for that link. I got it in my bookmarks.
My current system is a bit weird. Got weird colors in TF2, while I set everything to the lowest speeds (core and memory). Reinstalled drivers multiple times, after cleaning them with DriverCleaner, even reinstalled TF2 =/ weird.

MeloniesHomeboy
07-14-2008, 10:30 AM
Thats from overclocking your video card a bit much, or even sometimes it just gets hot without ocing it, best thing to do is make sure you have your GPU fanspeed up, us rivatuner or the like program to do that, or im sure ATI has a fanspeed control setting, crank it up to about 90% when playing games.

scworld
07-14-2008, 12:43 PM
It's on factory defaults. It also does it when I'm underclocking to its minimum. Idle temp is 80 degrees, but that's normal for the 4870. Under stress it goes to 83.

quillan
07-14-2008, 02:10 PM
80?F or ?C? 80?C seems awfully high. The highest I've ever seen on my 8800GT is around 78?C, and that's running Crysis, which is about as stressful on a video card as it can get.

scworld
07-14-2008, 03:38 PM
Celsius, but that's normal for the 4870. There's no PowerPlay feature implemented yet.

But I reset the BIOS to default, and changed a few things and suddenly it works again in TF2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Bit strange, because I saw no problems in UT3 at ultra-high nor CnC3... only TF2 was affected. But it's fixed now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MeloniesHomeboy
07-14-2008, 04:22 PM
Ahh you know what, it might have been your PCIe slot, the standard is usually 100mhz for the slot in the BIOS, mybe it was set wierd or something.

Double_Agent121
07-31-2008, 04:40 AM
Another question.
What OS do you recommend?
I am very familiar with Windows XP as my dad's PC and my old Laptop have it, but I have never used Vista.
Another thing I have concerns with is that most games older than a year don't support Vista and with new games not all graphical settings can be harnessed in XP. Also the other option is multiple OS's on one PC but that complicated things. What advice do you have?

MeloniesHomeboy
07-31-2008, 07:03 PM
My advice is to dual boot XP and Vista, that way you can see which one you like better first hand. Its not that complicated really, all you need is partition magic or partition commander, I can direct you towards those programs, and a little extra hdd space. I recommend 80gb free on your current HDD, but 60gb is fine too, 40gb is cuttin it close. Anyways, so you use one of those programs to partition (splitting your HDD basically) your HDD, you can also do it from a command line but this will be easier for you probably. Anyways, once you do that get Vista, just remember, never buy the full version! Always get the upgrade or OEM ver (can only use with one computer though), orginally there is a upgrade version that is suppose to allow you to upgrade from XP to Vista, the key is that you partitioned your hdd, so basically its like you have two hard drives now. With that said, instead of upgrading and losing your XP OS, you load the Vista CD when your on XP, go to custom install and itll let you put it where you want it, just select the new half you partitioned, BAM, itll recognize that you own XP, therefor letting you "upgrade" XP, but really your doing a fresh install on "another" hard drive.

I will say, there is a lot of Vista hate, but lets just say I havnt been on XP since, I love the interface, and im also one of the few that likes how it uses memory, the more you give it, the more it uses. It uses all the memory it can, granted never more than 30% idle, then when you run a game, it dumps most of it then uses it all for the game. Downside is I wouldnt run it under 2gb of RAM, im running 4gb right now, co**** 32 bit Vista is only picking up 3.3gb of it, 64 bit will recognize it all. Running games wise I havnt ran into any issues, im running all Source games fine (Half Life 2, CSS etc.), other than that I havnt really tested out any older ones, it should be fine though, you might run into some odd balls though.

Double_Agent121
08-23-2008, 04:39 AM
Ok well I want to resurect this thread to ask more advise please.
I ordered the Raidmax Smilodon case.
But now I'm wondering about a couple of things.
I've been thinking and making a couple of changes and stuff for the future adn I want to know if the 500W PSU will still suffice.
What my PC will now contain:
INTEL E8500 CORE 2 DUO CPU, 3.16Hz, FSB 1333MHz
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3257_INTEL_E8500_COR...PU_316Hz_FSB_1333MHz (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3257_INTEL_E8500_CORE_2_DUO_CPU_316Hz_FSB_1333MH z)
2xWD3200AVJS 320GB HARD DISK DRIVE Green Power
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3860_WD3200AVJS_320G...SK_DRIVE_Green_Power (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3860_WD3200AVJS_320GB_HARD_DISK_DRIVE_Green_Powe r)
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3L Intel® P45 + ICH10 socket775 MB
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4820_GIGABYTE_GAEP45...__ICH10_socket775_MB (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4820_GIGABYTE_GAEP45DS3L_Intel_P45__ICH10_socket 775_MB)
LG SATA DVD REWRITER OEM
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_3573_LG_SATA_DVD_REWRITER_OEM
2x4GB Kit KINGSTON KHX6400D2K2/4G HYPERX 800MHz RAM
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4638_4GB_Kit_KINGSTO...4G_HYPERX_800MHz_RAM (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_4638_4GB_Kit_KINGSTON_KHX6400D2K24G_HYPERX_800MH z_RAM)
PALIT NVIDIA GEFORCE 8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCI EXPRESS VIDE
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GE...DR3_PCI_EXPRESS_VIDE (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GEFORCE_8800GT_512MB_DDR3_PCI_ EXPRESS_VIDE)
I am planning to eventually overclock and use a Thermaltake Bigwater 760i Liquid Cooling system.
I am also thinking of SLI in the future and was wondering if that Mother Board will be compatable.

Just a few things that have been going through my head since my last post in here. As you can tell I'm thinking this through a lot and really trying to 'perfect' my PC for myself in terms of long term without needing an upgrade for as long as possible while still keeping up with the grunt.

quillan
08-23-2008, 06:15 AM
If it's a good 500W power supply it should be sufficient. If it's a cheap one, I'd go bigger. In my experience, PSUs included with a case are almost never very good, and I can't find any specific details about this one.

This is the power supply I have in my computer right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151027

I'm running an Abit IP35 Pro motherboard, Intel 8400 Wolfdale processor, 2 gigs of DDR2-800 memory, 8800GT factory overclocked video card, 2 optical drives and 2 hard drives plus case fans off this PSU without a hiccup.

Even if you don't go with this exact power supply, look for one that gives plenty of power on the 12V side and a good name like SeaSonic, Silverstone, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, etc. Some are not so good.

scworld
08-23-2008, 11:25 AM
2x4GB Kit KINGSTON KHX6400D2K2/4G HYPERX 800MHz RAM
Better get 4GB of faster memory. Unless you do a lot of rendering. But then it's better to get faster memory too.

I got 4x2GB OCZ Reaper @ 1066MHz. *points at sig*

MeloniesHomeboy
08-23-2008, 07:32 PM
Sorry I havnt been able to post lately man, been super busy with work, now I can actually breath. But anyways, on to the questions.

That mobo is not SLI compatible. To have do SLI or xfire, you have to have at least 2 PCIe 16x slots. Even then, you have to make sure that both slots are going to run at full speed. Just remeber, if you want SLI, Nvidia chipset motherboards, xfire, Intel X38/X48 boards.

Power supply, its better to have a good 500w, than a crappy 600w. Look at the brands Quillan mentioned, take note. Also id like to add Cooler Master, Thermaltake and FSP group. Your main concern with PSU's is obviously reliability and power. Look at the 12v rail, for a single card try to stay around 36 amps on the 12v rail. There are going to be PSU's with two rails, just add them together to get your total.

Double_Agent121
08-23-2008, 10:54 PM
Well what was your experience with the Smilodon's PSU? As quillian said info on it isn't readily available so that's why I asked you if it will suffice.Also I'm glad to hear that Thermaltake is good because they make the Liquid Cooling system I'm looking at.

Thanks for telling me about the MoBo. I will keep that in mind and look around at some other MoBos then.Is this the sort of thig you were thinking of?
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...682&products_id=6873 (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_682&products_id=6873)

For RAM as SCworld said. That's another thing I'll keep in mind and search for more.

I think my main problem is that I'm looking at this one website and they aren't aimed as gaming so I look at their best parts and think...oh well that RAM oughta be the best because it is their top part so 800mhz should be fine.
I have found a gaming pc website in Aus and looking at that one a little more closely. Only problem with them is their prices aren't exactly the cheapest.
The website is:
www.pccasegear.com (http://www.pccasegear.com)

Thanks for all the help guys it is VEEEERRRYY much appreciated. If it wasn't for you I'd still be saving for that PC at the beginning of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Echo_Phyber
09-08-2008, 03:36 AM
Hi
If you havn't read my reintro yet its Double_Agent121 here because of profile problems I've had to make a new one.

I wanted to ask you about a graphics card tuning brand. Inno3D? Do you know anything about them? Are they any good? Because I have found that their tuned graphics cards are quite cheap and it will help price wise when I want to SLI.
Here's one:
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_...315&products_id=8068 (https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_315&products_id=8068)
and here is the Palit 8800GT that I'm thinking of changing in favour of this one.
http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GE...DR3_PCI_EXPRESS_VIDE (http://www.shoppingsquare.com.au/p_2938_PALIT_NVIDIA_GEFORCE_8800GT_512MB_DDR3_PCI_ EXPRESS_VIDE)
I'd just like to know if you think there will be any differences or problmes down the road if I take the Inno3D one insteal of Palit?

Edit:
I just noticed that the Inno3D one is only 256MB instead of 512MB like the Palit one.

Would this one be any better?
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...715&products_id=7877 (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_715&products_id=7877)
Basically as you can probably tell I'm trying to get the best bang for my buck because I have partially let the price of my PC soar to an extreme that I didn't want it to reach being a budjet gamer.