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General_Stone
04-06-2005, 10:39 AM
This is old news but has anyone else out there seen the new Assault Rifle replacing the M16 for the Army? Its called the XM8....I personally think it looks pretty sweet. Looks like somethin off of Halo. Check it out.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm

General_Stone
04-06-2005, 10:39 AM
This is old news but has anyone else out there seen the new Assault Rifle replacing the M16 for the Army? Its called the XM8....I personally think it looks pretty sweet. Looks like somethin off of Halo. Check it out.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm

Da_shoota
04-06-2005, 12:23 PM
Yeah i've heard. Personally, I think the gun looks like a toy.

ox Se7eN xo
04-06-2005, 02:31 PM
correct me if i'm wrong (and i probably am wrong, cos i don't know the SI for the American Army) but wasn't the M16 replaced by the M4 a few years ago?

NSAagent
04-06-2005, 03:20 PM
it's still the M16 as far as now, which isn't really much nowadays.

sup sue?

ox Se7eN xo
04-06-2005, 03:56 PM
"sup sue?"

you Cholesterol level, fatty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

of course i kid

SPROGGY
04-06-2005, 04:33 PM
the XM8 looks like it does because its made of composites instead of metal, and has he ability to be reconfigured using different size barrels and attachments. The M4 is used mainly by Special Operations forces and SWAT teams. The M16 is still the standard issue rifle for the Army and the Marines until the M8 is approved.

ox Se7eN xo
04-06-2005, 04:37 PM
what actually is the difference between the M4 and the M16?

f16cxv
04-06-2005, 04:47 PM
the M4 has a shorter barrel, and yes, the M8(it's now the M8 not eXperamental Model 8, hence XM8) is made of plastic (essentially) and is due to be in service by 2006...I think...

BliNd-
04-06-2005, 08:33 PM
Yeah, maked me think of Ghost Recon 2. the m8 is alright, but I love the M4.. lol

SPROGGY
04-06-2005, 09:55 PM
M4 has a shorter barrel, a multiposition 4 point adjustable stock, and the RIS(rail integration system) to attach all those expensive goodies! The M8 is currently still under testing but the problems theyve encountered thus far are fixable and the weapon is set to replace the M16 as the standard issue rifle for use by the Marines and Army by no later than 2008. Special Forces soldiers will not be using the M8 however because the research and development gurus at SOCOM arent happy with the guns versatility and durability. The new Special Operations forces Rifle is nicknamed S.C.A.R.(Special forces Combat Assault Rifle) and is of a completely different design that, although slightly less aesthetically pleasing, features some of the most badass advancements to be seen in the firearms industry to date. Hope that helps!

f16cxv
04-06-2005, 10:03 PM
^^^ what's your scource? if you have a link please show me this site, I'm always on the look out for good weapons classifcations sites...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SPROGGY
04-06-2005, 10:07 PM
I have many sources http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ill hit you with a link shortly!

f16cxv
04-06-2005, 10:09 PM
thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

SPROGGY
04-06-2005, 10:21 PM
Pics and info regarding the S.C.A.R.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=659

http://www.cbd-net.com/index.php/search/show/475187

I assume this is the info you wanted, I can easily hit my favorites list for more links if you need, just let me know what subject youd like them on.

f16cxv
04-06-2005, 10:36 PM
excellent thanks again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

General_Stone
04-06-2005, 10:39 PM
The M8 kinda reminds me of Sam's gun....how it can be reconfigured with attachments and what not....you should see the different types of bullets this thing fires off

f16cxv
04-06-2005, 10:40 PM
what 5.56 or 6.8? 5.56 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm)

the M8 is 5.56 at the moment, but I think they were considering 6.8 calibur barrel for the near future...

SPROGGY
04-06-2005, 10:50 PM
they are tinkering with the idea of interchangable barrels that can be switched in the field. There are obvious obstacles that must be overcome to make this possible, but they are devoting alot of time and money into making it happen. Right now there are 4 versions of the M8. The standard assault rifle, the marksman variant, the Auto, and the CQB version. The goal is to eventually create one rifle that can be adapted to fill any of these roles on the fly.

ox Se7eN xo
04-07-2005, 03:28 AM
deepego, you are full of information my friend, thanks for clearing a few things up

being a brit, i'm not much of a gun nut (though i can tell you all there is to baking though) and obviously with you joining the army, i see no reason not to trust what you write

it's beginning to make me doubt whether the SAS is better than the SEALs, but lets not get back into that debate, i'm just starting to like ya

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NSAagent
04-07-2005, 06:59 AM
pffft...the SEALS are better

SPROGGY
04-07-2005, 09:24 AM
Thank you S7N, I appreciate that. And thank YOU NSA http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Seriously though, all arguments aside. I am in no way partial to the United States Special Forces or the Navy SEALs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and certainly entitled to have pride in their nations armed forces. I joined the Navy on a SEAL Challenge Contract because i want to be the best. If I were led to believe that, after all my hard work and research, the SAS were the finest unit in the world. I would be working on my British citizenship right now. Ive done EXTENSIVE(were talkin years and years folks) research on the subject and have spoken and debated with numerous subject matter experts regarding Spec Ops forces. After all of this I came to the conclusion that the SEALs are the ****. Just in case you didnt know, my grandfather was a green beret. He would roll over in his grave if he knew i joined the Navy to be a SEAL instead of the army to "Be all I can Be". But i can honestly tell you that the SEALs are just a more effective, efficient, and dangerous fighting force. So thats where I signed on the dotted line. If i give my opinion on these forums, i usually start the post with "In my opinion....". What I say regarding special forces is fact 99% of the time. Yes it can be debated, and no im not the end all of special forces experts, there are people older than me whove been studying and researching them much longer. But as I said, i dont argue in favor of the SEALs because im partial, i argue because of the overwhelming evidence in their favor. Ill tell you right now, i cant cook anything that cant be microwaved. And knowing what i do now, if I had to bake something id seek your advice S7N. All i ask is that people respect my opinion and what i have to say when I post. Just as they should for every other respectable member of the forums. Im always open for a good debate, and 9 times out of 10 it will be friendly. Everyone has their niche in life. Mine happens to be the armed forces and spec ops units. Mad mac is a hell of a fitness expert, and their are others of you who have turned a hobby into a passion. Like I said, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. Its cool if people dont agree with me, i will not hate you for life(as long as you dont cross the line). In fact if anything I will respect you for fighting for something you believe to be true. Let that serve as the final post/truce in what was a heated debate between you and I S7N. And for everyone else, just consider it a Mr. Rogers style pulic service announcement http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

f16cxv
04-07-2005, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NSAagent:
pffft...the SEALS are better <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif not to start a spec ops war...wait...well, it's all about nationality, Brits are biast of their http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif S.A.S.
Americans are proud of the seals, thats all it is, despite the fact that the seal have better training,guns,personnel,equipment ect.ect.ect. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

*edit* what ever happened to that farcry smiley?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

General_Stone
04-07-2005, 10:51 AM
They are also talking about having explosive bullets, laser guided bullets, rubber bullets, etc.... I dont know how that would work.

Tejo.hr
04-07-2005, 12:30 PM
That rifle looks like ****. SMG version is a bit better.

SPROGGY
04-07-2005, 04:24 PM
which rifle.....? weve talked about 4 so far.

ox Se7eN xo
04-07-2005, 05:23 PM
deepego, it is your second to last post that has made me see the error of my ways, as well as have nothing but respect for ya. you'll make a fine soldier, my boy

i know how to bake, you can only microwave stuff

you've done research into the best Spec Ops in the world, and i know nothing other than my blind allegience to what i thought was the best Counter Terrorism unit in the world

funnily enough, the day after our heated debate there was an article in a magazine about who were the top Spec Ops

SEALs came out on top

SPROGGY
04-07-2005, 07:07 PM
Lol, well again I appreciate it man. You dont happen to know where this article was published or posted do you? I read everything I can get my hands on so if you can recall where you saw it then id like to know if you dont mind. Youre a good guy in my book S7N, all is well!

ox Se7eN xo
04-08-2005, 06:09 AM
well, i'm sure you've probably heard of FHM, right?

well, they do a spin off magazine which comes out once a week called "Zoo" (or is it Nuts?")

i cant remember, anyways it was out a few weeks ago in England

to be honest, i dont think its the most reliable piece of information cos it stems from a men's Entertainment Magazine, not a Military piece

SPROGGY
04-08-2005, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S7N:
well, i'm sure you've probably heard of FHM, right?

well, they do a spin off magazine which comes out once a week called "Zoo" (or is it Nuts?")

i cant remember, anyways it was out a few weeks ago in England

to be honest, i dont think its the most reliable piece of information cos it stems from a men's Entertainment Magazine, not a Military piece <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reliable, No, but related, Yes! I dont need proof of something I already know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I thought it might be an entertaining read though, especially if its from FHM. Thanks for the info, ill see if I can find it.

Broom347
04-08-2005, 08:46 AM
The XM8 looks like a bb gun. I think the U.S. military should boycott the M16 and start issuing more M4A1's.

The problem with the XM8 is that there are no ironsights. So what happens if the batteries in your red dot sites run out of juice, your stuck with no sights. On the M16 or M4 if you have a scope or red dot sights and if the batterie runs out you can simply take off the red dot or scope and use the place ironsights.

SPROGGY
04-08-2005, 09:06 AM
Good point, I guess we will see an increased interest in batteries within the pentagon! I guess its really a trade off though. The red dot sights are suppossed to be zeroed when they leave the factory and apparently they dont require much attention(except batteries). The M4 sights need to be zeroed in every so often. I agree with the M4 though, good gun, and its already in production. Have you seen the SCAR yet?

General_Stone
04-08-2005, 09:57 AM
Im sure they've figured this all out....I mean if the gun sucked *** than they wouldn't replace the M16 with it.

SPROGGY
04-08-2005, 10:01 AM
You might be surprised, and nobody said the gun sucked. But a lack of ironsights is a defficiency in my book. The gun fires accurately and has all kinds of new advanced features. Its only problem is that its missing some basic ones.

General_Stone
04-08-2005, 11:16 AM
Oh I know no one said the gun sucked and your probably right, I was just stating that if they chose to replace the M16, im sure they wouldnt replace it with a lower rated gun.

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2005, 12:30 PM
i've seen this thing on the discovery chan. but then it was all bulky and hard to move with, im glad they shortened it and it wasnt a waste of 1 hr....

it actually DOES look like the battle rifle from Halo 2.... what do you know?

SPROGGY
04-08-2005, 06:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by General_Stone:
Oh I know no one said the gun sucked and your probably right, I was just stating that if they chose to replace the M16, im sure they wouldnt replace it with a lower rated gun. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Youre definitly right there, they wont issue our troops an inferior piece of weaponry.

phantom_15
04-08-2005, 07:32 PM
Looks pretty sweet. Red-Dot sights there huh? Yeah, neat.

I personally would rather have an M-1 Garand though.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ox Se7eN xo
04-08-2005, 08:05 PM
"Youre definitly right there, they wont issue our troops an inferior piece of weaponry."

you're right there

the LA85 (or whatever its called) is ued by the Royal Army/Marine Corps cos of its reliability in the field as well as its accuracy

same goes for the M16

they wont put out a weapon for an SI unless it works better than what an army has

Magnus_840
04-09-2005, 04:14 PM
hey guys,

Seals and SaS maybe the best special ops today but, canada by far has the best snipers, the longest confirmed kill was made by a canadien in afganistan, and a year ago there was an international army sniper contest britan lost becasuse of bad ammo and us was pathetic, canadan riped everyone apart.

And just a side note, so you all know, a bunch of countrys had there special forces compeat and teach each other skills and crafts a long time ago and Us came out last, brits where second and supriseingly germany was first.

Magnus

ps my english is kinda bad today, dont know why.

SPROGGY
04-09-2005, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magnus_840:
hey guys,

Seals and SaS maybe the best special ops today but, canada by far has the best snipers, the longest confirmed kill was made by a canadien in afganistan, and a year ago there was an international army sniper contest britan lost becasuse of bad ammo and us was pathetic, canadan riped everyone apart.

And just a side note, so you all know, a bunch of countrys had there special forces compeat and teach each other skills and crafts a long time ago and Us came out last, brits where second and supriseingly germany was first.

Magnus

ps my english is kinda bad today, dont know why. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah.....ok...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

f16cxv
04-09-2005, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SamFisher128:
it was all bulky and hard to move with <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think your thinking of THIS (http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm)

SPROGGY
04-09-2005, 09:11 PM
That will be a badass unit once their done with devlopment. If they could refine the size a bit then it wouldnt be such a pain to maneuver.

ox Se7eN xo
04-10-2005, 02:23 AM
well, the German's GSG is pretty good, with the mountain school they do being the toughest in the world

but competitions are competitions, not the real thing

XyZspineZyX
04-10-2005, 02:44 AM
Definatly not the real thing.

f16cxv
04-10-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by deepego3:
That will be a badass unit once their done with devlopment. If they could refine the size a bit then it wouldnt be such a pain to maneuver. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the XM-29 got cancelled do to some "financial difficulties"...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SPROGGY
04-10-2005, 02:31 PM
When did that happen? Weird that i didnt hear anything about it. And no, their is no substitute for the real thing. And i think we all know who the real thing really is. Hes full of it, simple as that!

G-4ce
04-10-2005, 10:53 PM
Deepego3 I was wondering if you had read the book "Bravo 20" written by retired British SAS Commander Andy McNab. Really good read if you like the subject matter. Sorry for gettin off topic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SPROGGY
04-10-2005, 11:10 PM
No G-4CE I havent read it. When was it published? Sounds like its right up my alley though, ill definitely check it out. There arent very many recent books on the subject i dont own or havent read. Although I have more pertaining to U.S. Spec Ops since thats where my career is taking me. I have read a few good ones on the SAS and the IDF over the last couple of years. Ill stop by borders or Barnes & Noble tomorrow and see if theyve got it. Thanks for the tip.

f16cxv
04-11-2005, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by deepego3:
When did that happen? Weird that i didnt hear anything about it. And no, their is no substitute for the real thing. And i think we all know who the real thing really is. Hes full of it, simple as that! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that the link I provided said that, but I'm not sure, I know I've heard or read that it got cancelled...strange...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif