Rainbow Six 4

[Lemonsmag]

Dear Ubisoft & Rainbow Six development team.

I here to ask you one simple thing. Forget that "vegas" thing. First and second vegas games was good, but that's it. I hope you get this game series back to the simple line.

Rainbow Six 3 and Black arrow was good games, but not perfect. Get back to your desks and try to developent new game based on RS:3.

I know a lot of players, who can remember those RS:3 days just like yesterday. Just get back to home from job, turning xbox on and feeling the joy.

If you, Ubisoft & deveoopers, really want to blow a bank with new awesome game, keep few things on mind:

(this is all based on my opinions)

Dont put too much money on single player, i didn't even play them through to end on previous games. You must put maximum attention to multiplayer. I only played singleplayers, when i got problems with my internet connections or there was maintenance on multiplayer.

If you want players to not lose their motivation to the game, unlockable stuff, weapons and armors are not solution. When you i got it all, i'll get bored more faster than if there's nothing to unlock. If there's nothing to unlock, i play it just beacause i like to play that game. Ofcourse it demands that the game is good (lol).

Balance the gears, guns etc. and so on. The "catch" what were in old rainbows, was that you can play with almost any gun, you just had to learn play with that gun what you chose. Every players got their own "favourite" gun.

Statistics. Very spesific stats. Not only how many kills and how many deaths you have faced.

Clan games. This is something i've seen only in Killzone 2... Very good Clanmatch system inside the game. Own page for the clan, calendar, and place where you can challenge other clans and sign upcoming matches to your clan's calendar where every member of the clan can see upcoming events and be online at right time.

At these days, we allways have to organize our matches on some 3rd party websites. I want to see first "perfect" clan gaming system in a console game. Please think about it.

Keep the game in year 2000-2011, I dont want any hybertechnology from future. When I want to play scifi games, there's a lot of them in stores at these days.

And please, dont try to impress too hard. Start from the basics: non-laggy multiplayer. Nice amount of different guns with different specs but all of them balanced right. Nice next gen graphics.

Few very nice gamemodes from previous games: death match, last man standing, hostages-rescue, bomb disarming, and in team based version and solo version.

3rd person cover system, and regenerating healt thing is not my favourite thing in vegas games, but I can forgive them if other part of the game is okay. But one thing I really want to tell you. The original idea of Rainbow Six to me was simple: one shot - one kill.

Ofcourse you dont have to get somebody killed by shooting him in to toe, but i dont want to see any more "shooting one full mag and he's still alive" -moments please.

And that "custom your player with awesome t-shirts and sunglasses" **** is almost pointless.

Those players who buy a game to custom their character to look like an pink idiot, are stupid. Ofcourse peoples do that stuff, because you made it possible, but nobody will miss that kind of features if you take them away.

It was good when there was just a blue and green teams, you allways knew who was enemy and who allie. Now you see only pink-shirted-****-heads.

Okey, so, if and when, you are starting to develop new Rainbow Six to next-gen consoles, keep the line on the basics: Good, non-laggy FPS-shooter with cool maps with inside and outside places. Make it working.

And if you got money left after that, then use them to do some "funny stuff" like a pink sunglasses and other useless "extra". But first of all: keep the main game working perfect with simple idea: kill your enemy and keep yourself and your team alive.

You can make a lot of budget savings if you focus to that where Rainbow Six was originally meant to. Your fans dont need nice extra blingblings, they want nice, working, realistic, online based FPS shooter!

Oh and one more thing: patch your games more often please, and make it free. I will pay 100€ for the game, if i got it working and free updates, like bug fixes and one or two new maps in every month or something.

ps. sorry for my english, it's not my motherlanguage.

pss. I tried one hour to find a email address to ubisoft or something, didn't find any. Do you use emails?

Thanks and sorry. Still waiting for bank-blowing new rainbow six.... don't forget you got a lot od fans, betraying them once, it's hard to gain their trust back...

[Rufeezo]

Could you imagine the day when a little something catches your eye that reads "RAINBOW SIX 4 ANNOUNCED". God, it even has an otherworldly ring to it.

Btw, nice points you made there, especially with the guns. I too am heavily focused on multiplayer, but Rainbow Six 3 single player was actually pretty good. A lot of FPS out today have mediocre campaign stories, but Rainbow Six 4 could make a case for an engaging campaign. Tom Clancy, do an exclusive, buddy.

[xXNAPPYXx2007]

Please, Please Listen to this Guy he Speaks the Truth. I would pay $150 for a Rainbow Six 4 that plays like black arrow & the org Rainbow Six....So Bored with COD, and Vegas was not Close to being as good as the org. using the pad to Lean, was awesome! Clan Matches Lasted days it seemed like! We need to Keep this post alive!

[odi0n2009]

Originally posted by odi0n2009:
I agree with everything the OP said, except a few things he did not like, so I will summarize why they are important to the franchise:

CAMPAIGN:
Keep this in- this is important!
It helps produce a true coop strategists experience.
However, move it further in regards to Human assembly, why not make it 6player coop? Why limit to 4player?

Expand the environments just a nudge to accommodate the 6 player coop team.
Add more vertical, rappel, underground approaches to add layer on top of the standard street level approaches you've been doing for years. This standard way would be very stale and non vibrant nowadays.

These different approaches add spice, discovery of tactic, mystery and replayabiliy.

Allow drop in/drop out coop play (without us having to stop our game, come out to the lobby & start over) Just allow them to join the game while in play.

Grant me the ability to allow my friends to drop in/out or strangers to drop in/out or both to drop in/out. Still give me the option to turn this feature on or off and to "tweak" the settings to my flavor (Example) If I want 2 of my friends to join with drop in/out and the rest to be strangers with drop in/out-- let me do this. Give me "settings flexibility".

This game is about teamwork & tactics, which means this is a "social" game... Well...

Let them enter my campaign with they're created characters & everything they've earned/customized (even if I am still at level 1)

Do in game cutscenes (not pre scripted CCG) so our created characters are part of the plot to the story therefore making us "the coop player group" feel involved with the story, also, your writers will appreciate our immersion into what must had been they're heart & soul of an effort to draw us in.

If not UBI, then either you do not value the social aspect of gaming and the impact a great story arouses into players or you devalue your writers.

This also helps with coop not feeling like it was "tacked" on. Which leads me too...

CUSTOMIZATION:
Do you guys consider yourself kiddy?
Or true authentic strategic/tactical shooter?

If you consider the latter, then give us authentic styles of customization that represent these facets and at the same time presents the Rainbow franchise as so. Basically don't give us pink, skittle colored follow the rainbow gear. Be authentic and allow us to uniquely "form our own" character identities via authentic gear.


COVER & LEAN:
They both can work together in harmony.
As far as the cover system, implement killzones version. They did "learn it" from you guys as a homage, accept they're homage and use it there is no shame in that. It fits Rainbow perfect and it is a 1st person cover system (screams authentic) forces you to peek out of your cover if you want to see what's going on.

As far as the lean, put it in there I can see many ways for us to use this, especially if there's a certain angle you can't that requires some kind of "body contort".

Also,
In Vegas those directional pads were freed up and just sitting there as free property not being used up. That's free real estate UBI!
Take advantage of that.

SPRINTING
If you want to keep sprint... Fine, at least give it a stamina cost, to help avoid Call of Dutying all over the place. Also the heavier weaponry you carry, the more the stamina cost you have to pay.


KNIFE
If I am good enough to sneak up on my adversary, why should I reveal my position? With bullets, even if silenced? Let slice me him! Make it "rewarding" add a cutscene to it (nothing to fancy)


FLUID, REALISTIC BODY MOVEMENT
It does help with immersion.


VAULTING OVER WAIST HIGH THINGS AND WALKING OVER A PIECE OF ROCK
This is a no brained, why am I a elite soldier, killing machine with the finest of training am being stumped by a rock? I should be able to walk over it (not around it) also why would a waist high fence force to stop dead in my tracks and make me have to take and long go around route because I cannot simply vault over it for some reason.


I really hope to god you the new developer/old developer of this game are reading. Thank you.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

You people really need to open your eyes.

Reasons why(based on Rainbow six vegas 2):

custimisation great.

Guns good.

Graphics to be honest great.

Story un-belivably great.

And that guy who said he unloads a whole clip into some online players is because of either he had heavy armour on, and/or you wernt aiming for the head what is it you said needs to be more realistic where on the body do you think the SAS is more likly to shoot, THE HEAD!

What I would like to see in a new rainbow six game:

CHARECTER:
More custimisation for the charecter e.g: custom camoflage did not have the colur black basically more of a chioce in colours, Flight helmet visors, custom insignia or emblem aswell as rank symboles, more letters or numbers than the standerd 3 for the clan tag.

GUNS IN GENERAL:
Bring in all era weapons since world warII just set in modern times that dose not mean future weapons I know for a fact that the german border patrole still use the MG42 to this very day.

GUN STATISTICS:
Need to be revised a little and gun custimisation or accessorise I liked the fact that you could put a rifle scope on a shotgun I mean you could easily do that in real life so why when I think of a light machine gun having a bipod espiacally when sellecting the 21E in game the actuall image has a bipod on it allready. Bring in bipods, green as well as red lasors there are two types one for night and one for daylight that would mean people would have to change there equipment more to suit the battlefield and would allow for more night battles and also i noticed on the 21E (machine gun)in game play is that you can set the fire rate to single fire, triple fire and automatic fire but not on the game what happened there ubi?, BASICALLY IF YOU CAN DO IT IN REAL LIFE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT ON A GAME.

MAPS:
Keep all the old maps but have an extra button or slot to change the time of day it is.

HOST OPTIONS:
being able to sellect a certain group say shotguns for example to put in the ban list and keep everything else default

AND KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE DEFAULT THAT MADE THE GAME SO GREAT I DONT WANT TO SEE FOR EXAMPLE LIKE THIS FORZA 2 WAS BETTER THAN FORZA 3 BECAUSE THEY REDUCED CUSTIMISATION OF CARS AND SLANDERED SOME GOOD CARS AND PEOPLE ARE NOW TRYING TO SEW THEM CAUSE OF IT, I THINK YOU GET THE PICTURE.

THE THINGS I EXTREMLY DONT RECOMEND PUTTING IN WHICH ALSO IS STUPID COD STUFF:

KNIFING IT WOULD MEAN UN-NECASSERY LAG.

JUMPING I DONT THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO JUMP VERY WELL IN FULL COMBAT GEAR.

ONE SHOT ONE KILL IS A STUPID IDEA IF EVERYONE IS WEARING ARMOUR TO PROTECT THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PERKS E.G. FASTER RELOAD, JUGGERNAUGHT ETC.
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ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY READS THIS THANK YOU FOR READING

[Dirtymurph]

No

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Would you care to elaborate on that?

[Real720]

Originally posted by Dirtymurph:
No
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[odi0n2009]

@ Black_Jaguar_1

I will gladly elaborate.
1st off-- where do get off with:
"You people really need to open your eyes."

I was expecting to read something amazing with that opening segment.
Instead...

All I got from you was a long, garbled, atrocity of a post you put
"stitched" together which started hurting my brain as I tried to make sense of it all
while being ambushed by your mis-spellings & poor grammar--
*All of it just... attacking my eyes like if I was staring at a Frakenstein of words.

The only "positive things" I was able to get from your*crap
was your host option ideas for day/night cycles switch & gun restrictions.*
Thats it.

Everything else you mentioned is stuff already in the game*
that... with/without your input is going to get updated
refined & made better regardless.*

My "knife" idea was not a "COD" stupid idea.*
If it were implemented correctly, it would work.
This is a*realistic tactical shooter-*
not a running around & hack & slash affair.
The knife mechanic would have to be integrated properly,
and if it is, I can see it being a satisfying kill- that you have
to "earn".*

Also,
Adding knifing does not cause lag- that's your cheap
internet service. A bunch of pixels, culminated into a graphic,
which then gets added animation "does not cause lag"
Think before you speak or read a book on it before just
typing your slop on here.
Your about as smart as a box of cereal-*
"Knifing would cause lag".

Instead of thanking us for reading that nonsense-
you should be apologizing to us for hurting our brain
and straining our eyes with crap.

At least have the decency to form correct grammar, punctuation.


I agree 100% with DirtyMurph & Real720

No- to your post.
Somebody drop a NO grenade gif on this guy please.*

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Are u all mentally disturbed that has no point at all and has no relavence

odi0n2009
I thought it was a forum for adult debate and not fools u need to learn some respect have u really seen knifes commonly used in modern combat the days of close quarters has died
get over it and THIS IS A FORUM to let PEOPLE EXPRESS themselves not to be beguilled by ure crap

and as were on gramma u need to look at ure own
teach

IF U WANT TO TEST MY SKILLS THEN I INVITE U ALL TO TRY AND BEAT ME ON R6V2 IF U DARE.

MY GAMERTAG (CPT LEWI5) IF U THINK URE HUNTING ME IM HUNTING U!

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Dirtymurph
Posted Thu May 26 2011 09:02
I honestly didn't know Lil Wayne played R6.

and wat the **** is that sapost to mean how about u people just come on rainbow and get ure ***'s handed to yourselfs

[ms-kleaneasy]

Ok guys play nice, I'm sure you can all agree to disagree without the insults

[Black_Jaguar_1]

ms-kleaneasy
Posted Thu May 26 2011 09:48
Ok guys play nice, I'm sure you can all agree to disagree without the insults
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Thank you that is wat i am saying just because i posted my veiw these guys think they can just slander and bully anyone they please, wat has this planet come to

[odi0n2009]

Originally posted by Black_Jaguar_1:
Are u all mentally disturbed that has no point at all and has no relavence

Take it how you want,
your horrible at posting.

You added no significance to this thread.
Even with spell check on, your aim is lousy.

I think you should put down R6 for awhile
and pick up something else to improve in other areas.

Lol,
putting up his gamertag. Smh.

[Real720]

Originally posted by Black_Jaguar_1:
IF U WANT TO TEST MY SKILLS THEN I INVITE U ALL TO TRY AND BEAT ME ON R6V2 IF U DARE.

MY GAMERTAG (CPT LEWI5) IF U THINK URE HUNTING ME IM HUNTING U!
That made no sense at all.

[odi0n2009]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Ok guys play nice, I'm sure you can all agree to disagree without the insults

Apologies Ms. Kleaneasy,
but his whole...
"You People need to really open your eyes"
came across quite superior.

I won't respond to him no more,
I already expressed what I needed to.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

odi0n2009
Take it how you want,
your horrible at posting.

You added no significance to this thread.
Even with spell check on, your aim is lousy.

A message before posting below WTF IS THREAD I THINK U MEAN THEAD

odi0n2009
I won't respond to him no more,
I already expressed what I needed to.

yea u really aint comunicating are u get a life rather than cruising around on forums trying to make problems for others

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MY GAMERTAG (CPT LEWI5) IF U THINK URE HUNTING ME IM HUNTING U!

Real720
That made no sense at all.

CANT U READ
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[MadClaret94]

I don't think knifing would be a good idea, simply because call of duty has it. Having a melee attack e.g hitting them with the butt of your gun, might be better just to make it a bit more unique, otherwise all these shooting games are gonna get too samish.

Black_Jaguar_1 has multiple points which I agree with such as the customising. The character creation should have a face builder instead of one of these rubbish preset face, and I know you import your own face but that just irritates me in that my hair makes it not work.

Shotguns are way too overpowered. Yes pointblank it will kill you with one shot but when you are a long distance away they still kill you with one shot. That needs to be sorted.

Night and day would be nice, as well as changing weather conditions such as rain not just constant sunshine.

Few more weapons would be nice, like the M16 which is my favourite gun so I was always gonna ask for that.

More banning slots instead of just 5, makes it a bit more to your liking.

Perks not so sure. Too call of duty like again. if you are already wearing full armour and have something similar to juggarnaugt then you might as well call yourself the terminator, cause you won't freakin die, which yes for you good, fustrating for others.

One shot kill depends. If its a headshot and you aint wearing a armoured helmet, yes dead, wearing a helmet, should be two shots. Any other situation, apart from pointblank with a shotgun there should be no one shot kills, cause then there is no point for wearing full armour.

Just my thoughts, so don't tell me I'm wrong, cause you can't change my thoughts.

Oh BTW don't comment on other peoples grammer odi0n2009, cause you aint perfect either.

[Real720]

Originally posted by Black_Jaguar_1:
odi0n2009
Take it how you want,
your horrible at posting.

You added no significance to this thread.
Even with spell check on, your aim is lousy.

A message before posting below WTF IS THREAD I THINK U MEAN THEAD

odi0n2009
I won't respond to him no more,
I already expressed what I needed to.

yea u really aint comunicating are u get a life rather than cruising around on forums trying to make problems for others

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MY GAMERTAG (CPT LEWI5) IF U THINK URE HUNTING ME IM HUNTING U!

Real720
That made no sense at all.

CANT U READ
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First of all, yes I can read. Second, I was pointing out your inability to use even the simplest of logic. Why the **** would you want to prove your "skill" on Vegas 2!? We never said ANYTHING about one person being better than the other... DOI!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[Black_Jaguar_1]

then why do u think u can just keep on at certain people wat gives u the right

Dirtymurph,Real720,odi0n2009

who really gives a **** about spelling mistakes i didnt know this forum was reserved for the english teachers and O.A.P's having a fit about spelling mistakes.

I have found game booklets with spelling errors i have found xbox achievmants with spelling mistakes aswell as xbox in general so get the **** over with it and find a life cause if u ***** about every forum with a guy in there like me with spelling mistakes then i think u need to be banned from all forums of ubisoft cause u just keep on and on and on like a spoilt brat

IF U CAN READ IT THEN THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THERE SO SHUT IT

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Dirtymurph
Posted Thu May 26 2011 23:22
Get over it kid. Its not a life and death situation.
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Do u realise ure the only one left commenting u are the kid here

[Aj6627]

One thing that annoys me about the "u" in place of "you" that that IMO it just shows laziness on the part of whoever is posting it. Not directed at anyone in particular, but in the general direction of the internet these days.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

TO Dirtymurph
FOR YOUR INFORMATION I'VE ALLREADY DONE A JOB APPLICATION IN FACT IT WAS AN ARMY JOB APPLICATION WHICH PASSED SO YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR SELF TOGETHER RATHER THAN ACTING LIKE THE AVERAGE STREET CHAV

I thank Aj6627 rather than acting like the guy up top I was just quick talking it dosent help when people like that take the **** because more and more I retract myself from other people and stick more with just the people I know that means more and more of my social functions die I now have slerd speach because I hardly talk unless necassery I used to be able to spell better but I've lost the will to comunicate properly

As A great man once said "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS" THAT MAN WAS RIGHT

I just hope that ubisoft reads and learns their mistake from this forum about the certain minoritys and how to deal with em sooner rather than later.

[MadClaret94]

@Dirtymurph
Keep raising it then no one wants to see your face lol, you were just asking for that.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Dirtymurph

If u think your so badass then send me a message to get your tag and we will see on rainbow 6 wont we.

[Mr_Shade]

Guys..

If you can't remain civil - like suggested by Ms-Kleaneasy.. the thread will be locked..

Just a reminder as well about posting in ALL CAPS.. it's considered shouting and rude, so please don't..

[MadClaret94]

@Mr_Shade
I hope you know the difference between some friendly banter like mine and serious hatred like other people here. But enough of that, I'm hoping you can see past the arguments and get something good out of the points we have all made.

[ChaseGuidry]

hmm ive sorta scanned throught all the post.. and i feel i need to pick at the idiots on this thread..

as for the person that has said that shotguns are over powered, you need to be slapped. have you ever shot a shotgun in your life? if you have you do know a shotgun is just as dangerous as any other gun.. yea from like 60-70-100ft you survive.. but i be d*mned if you get hot at from 50ft with some buckshot you gunna life. ever seen boyz N the hood. very good example right there.. and thats a movie gettin it accurate,

also to the man and all the public that things a 3rd person cover systen in this game is good idea should be recorded being bent over and spanked with 2x4 with nails, and then send tape to his mama.
3rd person in this game just does not work. Its basically cheating. You can literally stay hidden and no where the opponent is. It defys the laws of physics does it really look realistic to you. I'm sorry but if I am hiding beind a wall. I cannot see you unless i peak around.. Its plain and simple.. that is realisn.. I dont have a incredible invisible camera i can put above me when im behind a box to see everything. Neither an invisible camera that i can see around the edge that i cannot.

seriously was the worst idea in the game. on rainbow six 3 & BA if you could see someone they should see you.. thats how the game needs to be

also we need to bring back being able to crack doors open.. it made the game very strategic cracking the doors when rushing to a room to gain position before the other team. and to make them think you had not made it there yet you would crack the door so they would run in the room thinking it was safe and then.. theres your free kill because their lack of skill and intelligence and experience you gained a kill.

customization in my opinion theres no need. but if ya'll choose to do it.. i agree on keeping it militarized. no need for pink bandanas. i think customization should be apart of strategy. Gask mask's for tear gas, thermals for smoke, nightvision for night, different helmets for how much you want to camoflage your head if you feel there is a need to. facepaint for camoflaging your face, camo. i cant remeber how many clan matches long ago when it was 1v1 at the end of the round and the opponent would camp in bushes or places that matched his camo. all of those can effect strategy.

customization on guns.. i believe all guns should be banlanced.. the old rainbows embraced this much.. they done it right. new rainbows just dont have much recoil, you can fire away like it was no big deal. i believe you should have to learn to single shot your gun .. i cant remember how people as my self and others would take out 3 opponents with only 3 bullets. waiting for that right shot and only using one bullet to achieve it.. Thats what the game was about..
also on maps.. you used certain guns for certain types of maps.. i remember using sometimes longer range and more slower firing guns for like streets of milan and cafe and other maps like that.. so much distance .. you didnt have any need for a fast firing gun. but for maps like close quarters and presidio i would use faster firing rate guns at times cause for the advantage of being able to tear apart in short distances.

i think we should have the options to choose our scoped no matter what, i dont think extended clips really matter at all. i think silencers should be an option but have much less damage caused when they are used.

i think snipers should be allowed have more of them like black arrow. i do not think shot guns are over powered.. i think their range shouldnt be deadly from over 50 ft .. but other than that they are good.

i think all the maps from vegas 1 are garbage. and vegas 2 had some decent ones.. mainly only import export, and villa. other than that all the originals on rs3 & BA were perfect.
Listen carefully when creating maps.. use realife actually cenarios.. find real places to feed off of.. You must create chokepoints withing the map where the 5 minture firefight begin so a team to conquer and gain ground there.

i remember airport 1 when there wasnt a wall and there was a door in that place. it was a grenade war of 2 or 3 minutes in the suicide/brown room.
every direction each player went matter. every passage to the other side had to be covered .. everything had to be maintained. when one main fell you had to recollect and devise your plan b's to come back so the whole team did not fall. i am not talking about team deathmatch bs.. that does not matter .. the game plays horrible on that gamemode..
im talking about team survival.

on airport 2 you sent 2 players office side. on brown room, one top garage, and 2 on the green mile.. those great legendary 6v6 matches..

you created strategies on the map training using smoke and rushing the base at times and uses flashes to rush.

i remember the grenade tricks on airport 1 and 2 and on the map warehouse.

maps like garage, streets of milan, cafe, presidio, carnival, airport1&2, villa, import export, city street large, training, close quarters, warehouse, and many more... been so long i cant remember most of the names.. if not remaking them.. atleast feed from them an study them.

bring back 8 granades.. it was so stratgic by choosing betweens lots of frag or willies or smokes or flashes.

bring the willie peat fireback liek it was .. to wear when you were on fire you character would have to pat himself down. and by patting himself down if you tried to reload you could not cause he was too busy trying to pat out the fire

bring back the health bars

keep the kill broadcast but take the weapon off of the broadcast.. its good and interesting trying to figure out what you opponent is using

make remote charges and claymore right again.. they took skill.. listening skills and prediction.

bring back the lean walk.. it was great being able to adjust yourself on the corner of the wall while being in the lean..

i have to say.. rs3 and black arrow were the best gaming experiences i had..

i had a clan and remembering having many nights playing until 5 am. i remember maintaining a ratio. i remember when stats would reset. i remember tryouts, i remember rivalries. i remember clans, ftc, roc, cohesion, SUP3R FR13NDS, chikin tartars, GWAR, swat182,

i remember teamcompete.com and the playoffs.

i know the game is in the making.. ive heard rumors throughout the industry. ive seen the comedy videos of the devs in mocapsuits. i saw the quote of the music and audio producer confirming he is working on music and audio on the next rainbow six title...

all i can say and beg is dont f*ck this one up guys.
theres no need for sprints,, this game has a community that is under the map right now.. but if you made what we want.. what has been on a call for... for so long.. the demand.
that community would rise up again..

if theres ever one chance to take.. if theres any love for your ppl. forget competing with COD, battlefield, halo, homefront, ghostrecon, gears of war, forget those games and their success..

focus upon the success that was made in the years of 2003-2006 (in that time forget lockdown and critical hour titles.. they were terrible)

you will make your money if you bring the game back to the classic.. the competion with reunite and relive their memories.


do this ubi.. i believe in you

[Dirtymurph]

While realistic thats simply too far for shotguns in a game I believe. The 1887 had a range of about 50ft when MW2 launched and it was a nightmare. If shotguns in R6 were deadly at 50ft then you could kill somebody almost all the way across Presidio. They are actually pretty good as they are now, slightly under-powered but still decent. Theres just nothing to really distinguish the guns in the same classes in the Vegas games. Several guns do the same damage as another and even sound the same. Customization should definitely be kept simple like you said, no neon green or hot pink Rainbow operatives. Third person wont be taken out but it truly was a horrible idea.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

I dont think I can be asked to comment on the posts before but I know guys in the U.S marines aswell as my own nation but to be honest they all say the same thing no game can be realistic or should be too realistic the reason I played the game was to enjoy it with my mates and not care for leaderboards or clan matches I made a clan to bring the people who I knew together and not force them to do a match at A stupid time of day they come on and of as they pleased

This is not BANTER as ubisoft will probably think I am just saying that playing the game untill 5am is a bit much and it sounds as if you worship ubisoft and hay if it floats your boat then I sapose thats all that matters

Seeing as ubi are getting into a hissy fit then this will be my last message.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

working? there is no such thing when your playing a GAME yea a GAME somthing to ENJOY after working at a JOB do u get paid for playing game's at your house no all u can say is yeah thats what i have acheived and thats it in about another 10 to 20 years i dout u will even care about it anymore.

I think ubi needs to sit u down and tell u games are not everything accept for ubi themselfs cause they make the games

The only way u could earn money by playing games is if u actually worked for them.

working? wow not heard that before just proves my theory that all new gamers take games and movies much to seriosly these days

[Rufeezo]

Originally posted by ChaseGuidry:
hmm ive sorta scanned throught all the post.. and i feel i need to pick at the idiots on this thread..

as for the person that has said that shotguns are over powered, you need to be slapped. have you ever shot a shotgun in your life? if you have you do know a shotgun is just as dangerous as any other gun.. yea from like 60-70-100ft you survive.. but i be d*mned if you get hot at from 50ft with some buckshot you gunna life. ever seen boyz N the hood. very good example right there.. and thats a movie gettin it accurate,

also to the man and all the public that things a 3rd person cover systen in this game is good idea should be recorded being bent over and spanked with 2x4 with nails, and then send tape to his mama.
3rd person in this game just does not work. Its basically cheating. You can literally stay hidden and no where the opponent is. It defys the laws of physics does it really look realistic to you. I'm sorry but if I am hiding beind a wall. I cannot see you unless i peak around.. Its plain and simple.. that is realisn.. I dont have a incredible invisible camera i can put above me when im behind a box to see everything. Neither an invisible camera that i can see around the edge that i cannot.

seriously was the worst idea in the game. on rainbow six 3 & BA if you could see someone they should see you.. thats how the game needs to be

also we need to bring back being able to crack doors open.. it made the game very strategic cracking the doors when rushing to a room to gain position before the other team. and to make them think you had not made it there yet you would crack the door so they would run in the room thinking it was safe and then.. theres your free kill because their lack of skill and intelligence and experience you gained a kill.

customization in my opinion theres no need. but if ya'll choose to do it.. i agree on keeping it militarized. no need for pink bandanas. i think customization should be apart of strategy. Gask mask's for tear gas, thermals for smoke, nightvision for night, different helmets for how much you want to camoflage your head if you feel there is a need to. facepaint for camoflaging your face, camo. i cant remeber how many clan matches long ago when it was 1v1 at the end of the round and the opponent would camp in bushes or places that matched his camo. all of those can effect strategy.

customization on guns.. i believe all guns should be banlanced.. the old rainbows embraced this much.. they done it right. new rainbows just dont have much recoil, you can fire away like it was no big deal. i believe you should have to learn to single shot your gun .. i cant remember how people as my self and others would take out 3 opponents with only 3 bullets. waiting for that right shot and only using one bullet to achieve it.. Thats what the game was about..
also on maps.. you used certain guns for certain types of maps.. i remember using sometimes longer range and more slower firing guns for like streets of milan and cafe and other maps like that.. so much distance .. you didnt have any need for a fast firing gun. but for maps like close quarters and presidio i would use faster firing rate guns at times cause for the advantage of being able to tear apart in short distances.

i think we should have the options to choose our scoped no matter what, i dont think extended clips really matter at all. i think silencers should be an option but have much less damage caused when they are used.

i think snipers should be allowed have more of them like black arrow. i do not think shot guns are over powered.. i think their range shouldnt be deadly from over 50 ft .. but other than that they are good.

i think all the maps from vegas 1 are garbage. and vegas 2 had some decent ones.. mainly only import export, and villa. other than that all the originals on rs3 & BA were perfect.
Listen carefully when creating maps.. use realife actually cenarios.. find real places to feed off of.. You must create chokepoints withing the map where the 5 minture firefight begin so a team to conquer and gain ground there.

i remember airport 1 when there wasnt a wall and there was a door in that place. it was a grenade war of 2 or 3 minutes in the suicide/brown room.
every direction each player went matter. every passage to the other side had to be covered .. everything had to be maintained. when one main fell you had to recollect and devise your plan b's to come back so the whole team did not fall. i am not talking about team deathmatch bs.. that does not matter .. the game plays horrible on that gamemode..
im talking about team survival.

on airport 2 you sent 2 players office side. on brown room, one top garage, and 2 on the green mile.. those great legendary 6v6 matches..

you created strategies on the map training using smoke and rushing the base at times and uses flashes to rush.

i remember the grenade tricks on airport 1 and 2 and on the map warehouse.

maps like garage, streets of milan, cafe, presidio, carnival, airport1&2, villa, import export, city street large, training, close quarters, warehouse, and many more... been so long i cant remember most of the names.. if not remaking them.. atleast feed from them an study them.

bring back 8 granades.. it was so stratgic by choosing betweens lots of frag or willies or smokes or flashes.

bring the willie peat fireback liek it was .. to wear when you were on fire you character would have to pat himself down. and by patting himself down if you tried to reload you could not cause he was too busy trying to pat out the fire

bring back the health bars

keep the kill broadcast but take the weapon off of the broadcast.. its good and interesting trying to figure out what you opponent is using

make remote charges and claymore right again.. they took skill.. listening skills and prediction.

bring back the lean walk.. it was great being able to adjust yourself on the corner of the wall while being in the lean..

i have to say.. rs3 and black arrow were the best gaming experiences i had..

i had a clan and remembering having many nights playing until 5 am. i remember maintaining a ratio. i remember when stats would reset. i remember tryouts, i remember rivalries. i remember clans, ftc, roc, cohesion, SUP3R FR13NDS, chikin tartars, GWAR, swat182,

i remember teamcompete.com and the playoffs.

i know the game is in the making.. ive heard rumors throughout the industry. ive seen the comedy videos of the devs in mocapsuits. i saw the quote of the music and audio producer confirming he is working on music and audio on the next rainbow six title...

all i can say and beg is dont f*ck this one up guys.
theres no need for sprints,, this game has a community that is under the map right now.. but if you made what we want.. what has been on a call for... for so long.. the demand.
that community would rise up again..

if theres ever one chance to take.. if theres any love for your ppl. forget competing with COD, battlefield, halo, homefront, ghostrecon, gears of war, forget those games and their success..

focus upon the success that was made in the years of 2003-2006 (in that time forget lockdown and critical hour titles.. they were terrible)

you will make your money if you bring the game back to the classic.. the competion with reunite and relive their memories.


do this ubi.. i believe in you

I agree with your post, but not on the delivery. Picking at idiots makes you look like an A hole.

I also think customization should be kept to a minimum since I think it conflicts with latency and players connections. It seems that way in black ops at least and I personally don't feel the need to play dress up.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

I'd just like to say this short post ALL COD players **** off trying to sabotage ubi's game's it's not funny u want another COD go to their forums R6V2 was the reason why i never played those full off rubish COD game's the only one i did play was COD:WAW and that was for nazi zombies and mg42 all others are like movies (fake's).

Ubi this is a warning not a threat all these guys want to do is basically want to make another COD game you need to focus your succes around R6V2 I have many more people on xbox who also share the same view in fact two of them are on this forum

Custimisation if someone wants pink camo thats fine its a little bit of a joke as ive said before "if u can do it in real life u can do it on a game" just remmember you built the game around enjoyment and self custimisation I wanted to have a jaguar kind of camoflage but i settled with black and i havent complained about that, Also i said before i know friends in many armies across the world who say that the guys on here are wrong i also managed to find when looking through images of tanks and found a WWII tank painted pink anything is possible if you want it to be and not give a damn about what others think of how you look or what things you have come up with.

[Dirtymurph]

Ok Black_Jaguar_1 you asked me to elaborate on your first post so I will do it in order of your suggestions.
The customization was not great and helped turn the game in to something else.
The guns were not good. There are two guns that rule all.
The graphics were not great. Like most Ubi games they were lacking because they really dont seem to be able to master Unreal.
Good story? Are you kidding me? It was a story of a spoiled brat. The ending was stupid, you survive missle attacks from a gunship by simply moving a few feet away then the hoard of terrorists.
CHARACTER- Sure sounds fine
GUNS- Why bring in guns from areas not involved in the game?
GUN STATS- It doesnt matter if you can do it in real life. I can put ANYTHING on a gun in real life. A rifle scope on a shotgun is dumb, ask your military friends that.
KNIVES have nothing to do with lag.
Why shouldn't you be able to jump? What happened to "BASICALLY IF YOU CAN DO IT IN REAL LIFE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT ON A GAME"?

[louis2609]

It must be nice game, i have not tried yet so i am going to try now, i am waiting for hearing experiences from you here.Thanks

[QuikNsilnT]

I come here to this (R6V1&2Console) forum in hopes that someone has done their research and maybe has found some great info on a new R6 game.

This thread right here, ended up having the IQ of a sixth grader.

Please lock this thread. It served no purpose but to insult others. It lacked the ability to talk about "Rainbow Six 4" as the title suggests.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

To Dirtymurph

Grow a pair, I back my posts up with FACTS if you cant do that you DONT belong here and the shotgun thing about scope on shotgun is an example and theres two types of shotgun shells a slug shot and a buck shot DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ***** LIKE A LITTLE GIRL

And the buisness about jumping your wearing ARMOUR yea that means your weight has increased but being a TACTICAL person why would you want to jump anyway? you need to stop thinking about shaging COD

[Dirtymurph]

Originally posted by louis2609:
It must be nice game, i have not tried yet so i am going to try now, i am waiting for hearing experiences from you here.Thanks

At the price you can get it for these days you cant go wrong.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

Em I have intell that you just sit on ubi forums and just ***** to anyone who says a differant opinion or view and i dont search wiki you complete freak wiki is full of crap just like you it seems and i dont care if they lock it down cause it will stop you people from sabotaging the the new game.

[Dirtymurph]

I dont complain about different opinions.You can go through my old posts all you want. Your opening post implied that you know whats best. Its your opinion and thats it. You continue to be insulting and its all youve done since you joined this forum. You cant even comprehend the simple meaning of posts which leads you to automatically take it as insulting. You said people arent being adults yet youre the only one responding like a child. Just get over it for the sake of the thread.

[Black_Jaguar_1]

First of all I made a post then you *****ed about it like i said before i back my posts with FACTS one question to make sure you are not moonlighting on being in an army where do you hold your rifle when on patrol and in a line formation where do the first three people in that formation look and whats the written test when you go for a 2 day training course.

then we'll find out if your bull****ing or not and that means not searching it up on computer.

One more thing on a page in the R6V2 game booklet whats the closing date for a "win ubisft games".

And dont kiss other peopls ***'s it just makes you look more of an A hole

Aother thing that i forgot to mention for ubi is that i noticed on the 21E (machine gun)in game play is that you can set the fire rate to single fire, triple fire and automatic fire but not on the game what happened there ubi? (also putting it back into first post)

[ms-kleaneasy]

Ok that’s it.. Locked!

General warning to you all, any continued petty arguing like I’ve seen here and you’ll each be facing warnings/ suspension as appropriate. Side note there is no such thing as friendly banter in a thread filled with juvenile bickering and arguing. If you don’t want your posts to be construed as the same don’t get drawn into bicking, banter or no banter.