Just seen pc screens : weapon view again.!! this sucks

[asowle]

I`m nearly at the end of the sp graw 2, and i must say not a happy bunny, not liking the cover system, sticking to walls when you don`t want too etc, full auto only weapon GL on rifle..!!!
Rubbish scope views etc, and what about the rocket lancher with 10 rockets..!!!
Thats a lot of weight to carry..

The last nail in the coffin for me, was seening the Pc version, lovely weapon view and they have the xm8 and we don`t...!!!

I will not be buying Graw 3 guys, time to hope somebody else will make a game to smash graw, until then its ghost recon 2 for me, such a better game.....

[S.U.Z.U.K.I]

Originally posted by asowle:
I`m nearly at the end of the sp graw 2, and i must say not a happy bunny, not liking the cover system, sticking to walls when you don`t want too etc, full auto only weapon GL on rifle..!!!
Rubbish scope views etc, and what about the rocket lancher with 10 rockets..!!!
Thats a lot of weight to carry..

The last nail in the coffin for me, was seening the Pc version, lovely weapon view and they have the xm8 and we don`t...!!!

I will not be buying Graw 3 guys, time to hope somebody else will make a game to smash graw, until then its ghost recon 2 for me, such a better game.....



Yeah it looks awesome. Wish we had FPWV. Don't know if i'm allowed to post pictures from another site. I will delete them if it's a problem.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/m68nelson/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-adv.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/m68nelson/graw-2-.jpg

[ThomasBisset]

As I said in the other topic:

What are the odds of it appearing in a DLC package...

[RawKryptonite]

I still enjoy the game a lot in 3rd person, but this SURE WOULD be nice.

[RtekBillabong]

Originally posted by asowle:
I`m nearly at the end of the sp graw 2, and i must say not a happy bunny, not liking the cover system, sticking to walls when you don`t want too etc, full auto only weapon GL on rifle..!!!
Rubbish scope views etc, and what about the rocket lancher with 10 rockets..!!!
Thats a lot of weight to carry..

The last nail in the coffin for me, was seening the Pc version, lovely weapon view and they have the xm8 and we don`t...!!!

I will not be buying Graw 3 guys, time to hope somebody else will make a game to smash graw, until then its ghost recon 2 for me, such a better game.....

ROGUE WARRIOR IS GOING TO SMASH GRAW. First person view with weapon, or 3rd person view. you choose. Imagine Splinter Cell, SOCOM, and GRAW mixed together to make one hell of a badass game, and thats what ROGUE WARRIOR is.

[SupC]

Originally posted by RtekBillabong:


ROGUE WARRIOR IS GOING TO SMASH GRAW. First person view with weapon, or 3rd person view. you choose. Imagine Splinter Cell, SOCOM, and GRAW mixed together to make one hell of a badass game, and thats what ROGUE WARRIOR is.

Yeah I would really put all my eggs in the basket of the company (Zombie) that made Shadow Ops: Red Mercury.

Edit: I don't want to be a ****, but I am not going to get myself hyped up for a developer that hasn't had 1 A+ title under there belt.

[RawKryptonite]

I'm pretty hyped over RW too. With no new AA mentioned (would be the ideal situation, IMO), I want an option to go with Rainbow and GR that brings something different. I'm hoping they do 3rd person right so there's no advantage. The tiling system for maps sounds really good---unique maps all the time. No clutter on your screen, there's no HUD. Hope it lives up to my expectations.

Every developer starts somewhere, maybe this WILL be their first A+ title. (I hope)

[GrimlockCW]

Originally posted by asowle:
The last nail in the coffin for me, was seening the Pc version, lovely weapon view and they have the xm8 and we don`t...!!!


PC gets the XM8 but it doesn't get
SA 80, P90, M468, and about 2/3's of the other guns that GRAW 360 gets because grin claims "its to hard to make the FPV models"
(it doesn't even get the G36K which is constantly in use by the enemy units in game)

WHY it gets the XM8 is because its (GRAW 2 PC) just being modded from GRAW 1, so anything in GRAW 1 is likely in GRAW 2, sanz the bugs i hope.
only confirmed weapons to be getting added are the X4 guns, but thats because IMO Ubi just wants to advertise their new game iteration of these guns license.

there may be more guns comming since Grin/Ubi have a hush hush on it, i don't know. But my thought is they won't, there wasn't evough dev time to weed through the massive problems the game engine had, make the new content for the sequel, AND port/recreate the 360 MP maps and such (vids, sounds and so on).

as for the unrealistic things in GRAW on the 360....
the games tailored for Action/arcade gamers, its not a "tactical sim" anymore, and hasn't been since GR2.

the Zeus if not mistaken is actualy a 1 use and chuck it weapon (as in GRAW PC) where, as you said, in GRAW 360 it has like 10 rockets stuffed magicly in your characters vest.

[SupC]

Originally posted by RawKryptonite:
I'm pretty hyped over RW too. With no new AA mentioned (would be the ideal situation, IMO), I want an option to go with Rainbow and GR that brings something different. I'm hoping they do 3rd person right so there's no advantage. The tiling system for maps sounds really good---unique maps all the time. No clutter on your screen, there's no HUD. Hope it lives up to my expectations.

Every developer starts somewhere, maybe this WILL be their first A+ title. (I hope)

They have some good things going for them. I hope the game is good simply because competition is always good for us, the gamer. But I am more of a glass half empty kind of guy.

I would rather be wary of a game and find out it exceeds my expectations than be disappointed.

And if it isn't as good as hoped I get to be a bit smug; so you know I have that going for me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RtekBillabong]

Originally posted by SupC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RtekBillabong:


ROGUE WARRIOR IS GOING TO SMASH GRAW. First person view with weapon, or 3rd person view. you choose. Imagine Splinter Cell, SOCOM, and GRAW mixed together to make one hell of a badass game, and thats what ROGUE WARRIOR is.

Yeah I would really put all my eggs in the basket of the company (Zombie) that made Shadow Ops: Red Mercury.

Edit: I don't want to be a ****, but I am not going to get myself hyped up for a developer that hasn't had 1 A+ title under there belt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure as hell am. I believe they made America's Army. I played the hell out of that game until I got a 360. Plus the mere concept of the game, and the man behind all the accuracy of the realism (Richard Marcinko) is reason enough for me to put all my eggs in one basket.

I also know RW is going to be such big competition for GR, that RSE is going to have to make some bigger improvements to stay ahead of Zombies' future masterpiece.

[MasterSkrill]

i won't be playing any game that continues to play third person, it gives advantages that i dont want to see in the game.

i am seriously sick and tired of watching people abuse third person, standing behind a rock without exposing their body, only to pop out firing when i get close enough without knowing they are there.

you might as well have put in a cover system, it's just as lame.

[RtekBillabong]

I agree about the 3rd person problem. however, I'm going to enjoy 3rd person games until they fix it. Just have to adapt and out smart the campers. there's always smoke, and teamate suppressive fire to get you closer or on the flanking side of a "face in rock camper"

[GrimlockCW]

Originally posted by MasterSkrill:
i won't be playing any game that continues to play third person, it gives advantages that i dont want to see in the game.

i am seriously sick and tired of watching people abuse third person, standing behind a rock without exposing their body, only to pop out firing when i get close enough without knowing they are there.

you might as well have put in a cover system, it's just as lame.

there is a cover system, just not in MP so :P

and erm.. heres a tip to avoid the "hiding behind a rock" person.
this isn't counter strike, it doesn't rely on 100 health, so you aren't going to survive that well running around like a madman.
scan your surroundings, move slow, and move as a TEAM.
never turn a corner without first checking it.



if you can't do that... i highly recommend you stop playing Clancy games, TPV or FPV, those tactics remain the base for play either way.
+ the guy having his face to the rock means his back is exposed, and is opposite side to where hes looking from is an easy kill.
I've gotten inumerable kills in R6V, and GoW because people in full use of the cover system have so many angles they can't see from, it makes them easy targets to slaughter. (not to mention some fun and cheap chainsaw kills in GoW :P )

in defense of the TPV (no i'm not a fan, but there is a reason for it)
its to compensate for the games inability to provide peripheral vision.
yes its abused via such methods and its hanging to the side can permit someone to see around corners.
but then again, without peripheral vision and a cover system, you can't poke yer head around a corner to peek and see whats there without overly exposing yourself.

so its a sacrafice of realism, for gameplay.

[Inquisitor_Zeal]

GRAW 360 it has like 10 rockets stuffed magicly in your characters vest.

Dont get me started on hiding mulipul if not hundreds of items in characters vests... only game i can think of that has done that right it The Elder Scrolls.

But i think its sad that the xm8 is in the PC version but not ours(the 360), it was my favorite weapon(and i know it was canceled). Anyways, with what someone said about them not adding in weapons because it would take to long, i think thats just a sad excuse for releasing the game faster. You might aswell make the game even better before you release it by adding things in before it goes gold then releasing it as DLC IMO.

Finally I dont know, i kind of like the OTSTPV(over the shoulders third person view). But i would really like to have the FPWV in the next GR game, i found that it makes the Rainbow games much better and it makes you feel like your actually the character.

[GrimlockCW]

Originally posted by Inquisitor_Zeal:
with what someone said about them not adding in weapons because it would take to long, i think thats just a sad excuse for releasing the game faster.

and thats what was said about GRAW PC and its lack thereof :P
but thats Ubi's stance, rush it out for the money making time (holiday season, or before someone elses title)

without regard to content or quality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
GRAW 2 PC having its extra time taken is a "hopeful" at best sign.
but its better than just 2 or 3 weeks then dump it on shelves http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hengist_]

I know several people who wont buy or play GRAW2, because it doesn't have a weapon FPS view. I personally hate the 3rd person view, but reluctantly use it, as I think that it's better than the GRAW2 non-weapon, FPS view, which has a limited narrow field of view angle. If GRAW2, on the 360, had the view shown in the screenshots above, then I would never ever use that silly 3rd person view, ever again.

[MasterSkrill]

my playstyle has no effect on the outcome of a third person camper, the ONLY thing it changes, is forcing me to do the same thing, so in turn just creates a really lame atmosphere.

im going to continue to play clancy games because they offer the only realistic (1-3 shot kills) shooter out there with reasonable graphics and good maps, but i will however continue to do so on the PC, like i said in other posts, i will stop playing the console version until ubisoft, or more directly their sub-company who actually creates the game, or WHOEVEr is in charge of what content goes in the game decides that console players are worth of a REAL MAN's game, and not some dumbed down version of a good game.

the console is a gaming powerhouse and they should treat it like one, and not just a toy for hack and slashers, run and gunners, and mindless halofanatical bullshizeness


Originally posted by GrimlockCW:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MasterSkrill:
i won't be playing any game that continues to play third person, it gives advantages that i dont want to see in the game.

i am seriously sick and tired of watching people abuse third person, standing behind a rock without exposing their body, only to pop out firing when i get close enough without knowing they are there.

you might as well have put in a cover system, it's just as lame.

there is a cover system, just not in MP so :P

and erm.. heres a tip to avoid the "hiding behind a rock" person.
this isn't counter strike, it doesn't rely on 100 health, so you aren't going to survive that well running around like a madman.
scan your surroundings, move slow, and move as a TEAM.
never turn a corner without first checking it.



if you can't do that... i highly recommend you stop playing Clancy games, TPV or FPV, those tactics remain the base for play either way.
+ the guy having his face to the rock means his back is exposed, and is opposite side to where hes looking from is an easy kill.
I've gotten inumerable kills in R6V, and GoW because people in full use of the cover system have so many angles they can't see from, it makes them easy targets to slaughter. (not to mention some fun and cheap chainsaw kills in GoW :P )

in defense of the TPV (no i'm not a fan, but there is a reason for it)
its to compensate for the games inability to provide peripheral vision.
yes its abused via such methods and its hanging to the side can permit someone to see around corners.
but then again, without peripheral vision and a cover system, you can't poke yer head around a corner to peek and see whats there without overly exposing yourself.

so its a sacrafice of realism, for gameplay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[RtekBillabong]

+ the guy having his face to the rock means his back is exposed, and is opposite side to where hes looking from is an easy kill.

I understand that. What about when you are moving down an alley, or side of a building? The thing is that they can see you, but you can't see them. If they are going continue with this 3rd person ability, they should at least have the character hold out a small mirror around the corner to explain the ability of seeing everything around the corner without exposure. They could add it to the inventory, so you acually have to pull out your mirror and use it, then drop it or put it away to engage the enemy with your weapon. Full Spectrum Warrior had it right. If you are not physically looking around a corner, then you can't see the threats around the corner.

[GrimlockCW]

MasterSkrill:


buy the PC game then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
its forced first person (minus those who decide to make a TPV mod... god knows why... oh right, its advertised to have one)

but considering the last PC one... i'd watch my wallet if i were you before even considering it.

[asowle]

I did like graw 1 on the xbox, great weapon sounds and nice looking reloads..

Loved america army, when bullets wiz over you head, you lose your aim, same with your team getting killed around you, that had cool ideas, same it cannot be played on the 360, or a better verison coming out.

[ZPaul2Fresh8]

Originally posted by RtekBillabong:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by asowle:
I`m nearly at the end of the sp graw 2, and i must say not a happy bunny, not liking the cover system, sticking to walls when you don`t want too etc, full auto only weapon GL on rifle..!!!
Rubbish scope views etc, and what about the rocket lancher with 10 rockets..!!!
Thats a lot of weight to carry..

The last nail in the coffin for me, was seening the Pc version, lovely weapon view and they have the xm8 and we don`t...!!!

I will not be buying Graw 3 guys, time to hope somebody else will make a game to smash graw, until then its ghost recon 2 for me, such a better game.....

ROGUE WARRIOR IS GOING TO SMASH GRAW. First person view with weapon, or 3rd person view. you choose. Imagine Splinter Cell, SOCOM, and GRAW mixed together to make one hell of a badass game, and thats what ROGUE WARRIOR is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO once again while reading forums today.

[Doogsy1]

I know pretty much everyone hates the OTS view in MP but is it that bigger problem in SP? I know you can look around corners (to some extent) without exposing your head, but fPV gives you an unrealisticly narrow field of view.

BTW, what levels are both of those PC screens from?

[zoozilla]

People should take note, though: the 360 version IS the best version, point-of-view regardless. If you need proof, play the original Xbox or PS2 versions. They ARE in 1st person, but they really SUCK. The PC version is supposedly better, but you need a really top-of-the line rig to run it anywhere near max settings so it looks like the 360 version, and the gameplay also isn't up to par. Although I do agree that choice is better.

[klownsnypr]

Doesn't having FPWV all the time give you Epilipsy (http://Gamer.doyouhaveepilepsy.com/)?