Poll / Request for Higher Resolutions if Possible [Archive]

Hertston

03-28-2005, 01:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by stevenwhiting:
There are a few places where you can get programs to rip out Starforce, you just have to know where to look. Maybe you'd be able to change res then. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those programs (including one from the authors) allow you to remove Starforce from your system after an uninstall but the game won't run without it (although no doubt its been cracked by now).

Whgat evidence is there Starforce has anything to do with the screen resolution. I loath Starfarce (like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), but with all its associated problems that hasn't been one to date, and I can't see why it would be now.

Capt.LoneRanger

03-28-2005, 01:40 PM

And please, flyable airplanes, manable coastal guns, and of course: Remove the acceleration-function. We want it in real-time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

CaptainRadish

03-28-2005, 02:06 PM

Lol, LR. I'm perfectly happy with my resolution. Some people are just never satisfied. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

CaptainRadish

03-28-2005, 02:07 PM

Perhaps if I knew what doom and gloom was supposed to happen to you computer when installing starforce (or whatever), I may change my opinion.

hauitsme

03-28-2005, 02:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Monkeywho:
After reading several posts around on this forum. I have found that allegedly this game can run fine in res up to 1600. However, the copy proctection system, Starfarce as I have lovingly nicknamed it, overrides and prevents changing the resolution even manually. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif
Found it where?
By whom?
When was this?
Post the links.

Antrodemus

03-28-2005, 02:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Starfarce as I have lovingly nicknamed it, overrides and prevents changing the resolution even manually. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF has Starforce got to do with resolution limiting???

A.

slyspsks

03-28-2005, 02:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by CaptainRadish:
One problem with running a higher resolution, gentlemen, is that it will absolutely destroy your framerates. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The game runs quite well in any resolution, depending on your system of course. Here (http://img64.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img64&image=sh3160012006ru.jpg)'s a shot with FPS meter in 1600x1200 during carreer. In 1024x768 the FPS is about 73 in that same spot with a GF6600GT, so the FPS hit is not a very good reason why it is not supported officially.

The tool is here (http://koti.mbnet.fi/kegetys/dx9res10.zip), it doesnt work for me though, propably because I have SF on my game (it says in the readme that some copyprotections can make it not work).

SHMall35

03-28-2005, 02:23 PM

I would prefer a higher res, as 1024x768 is very low on todays PC's.
However If I turn FSAA to x6 and AF to x16 to looks quite good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Simon.

Slingn

03-28-2005, 02:27 PM

demand? You demand?

Ha, write your own game. Man, what you think, your 40 bucks entitles you to what you think the game should be. Get a clue.

Antrodemus

03-28-2005, 02:29 PM

LOL

I gotta admit, I do have a bit of a laugh when I see people "demanding" things of game developers... like they're gonna go "Oh no! we must comply, they're not 100% happy with our work..." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A.

Monkeywho

03-28-2005, 02:31 PM

Sorry, but I don't think my post is spam. I'll see if I can find the original thread where I noted that SH3 runs well in almost any resolution up to 1600. I'm not bashing the game as I love it, but I really am quite confused as to why the Devs would not allow us options when it comes to resolutions. And yes, I do understand the FPS issue, but again. . shouldn't that be a choice that we the end-user make? BRB I hope with that thread for you Hauitsme. (I am not to sure as to the correctness of the statement that SH3 can run well, or that Starfarce is the problem. . hence my use of the word "allegedly." Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Re: Slingn - Get a clue?

I am not expecting the Devs to do anything. . or that they have to do anything. But I do think that I have a right to my opinion. Perhaps, demand is too harsh a word, but I figured at least it would get attention. I see it has. The Devs will either give us resolution options or they won't. Right now it looks like they won't. Ok. . so what life moves on. And eventually most likely if we don't get resolution options some really good Mod person out there might create an Mod to give us that option. And no. . .I don't think I have a right to get the game "my way" to coin a phrase from BK, but I do believe that my purchase of the game allows me some leeway to constructively critique the game thank you.

Stephen.m

03-28-2005, 02:33 PM

true that Star**** has to go, but if they do increase resolution, I don't think the game needs beyond 1280X1024 since the ship/sub details does not have many polygons. It would be cool though if we could eventually have higher detailed ships and more parts break off and explode during sinking, and DAMAGE holes when the torp hits, then i could see the need for higher res beyond 1280 due to more detailed ship with higher polygons.

Chuck_Older

03-28-2005, 02:34 PM

Monkeywho-

Whether you realise it or even agree with it or not, your choice of words was your own, and 'demands' are not going to be simply met because of a thread in the forums

If you use words to promote your ideas and desires, then you need to use the language persuasively and effectively- demands are not very persuasive, and your choice of words in this thread itself isn't going to get your voice heard- you're not helping your cause much. An ultimatum is probably going to be met with less than agreeable results

Tempest261

03-28-2005, 02:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Antrodemus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Starfarce as I have lovingly nicknamed it, overrides and prevents changing the resolution even manually. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF has Starforce got to do with resolution limiting???

A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently cracked versions of the game (starforce disabled) are able to modify the CFG file's resolution with success but uncracked versions of the game (starforce enabled) block the CFG changes. I haven't tested this myself.

As for anyone saying that 1024x768 looks fine, you're either using a CRT or you're nuts. LCD TFT users with flat panels that have higher native resolutions makes the game look blurred and overall "not right" no matter how much FSAA and AF you apply. Of course, this isn't a problem with any other game on the market because they virtually all allow 1280x1024 and above (even BFV allows 1280x960).

JUST GIVE THE USER THE **** OPTION ALREADY!

As for starfarce, it hasn't given me any noticable problems (yet), but even at that point it's absolutely POINTLESS for them to include it because it's ALREADY CRACKED! Anyone who really wants to copy this game can do it with MINIMAL effort. So in the end, all starfarce is doing is tearing up our systems and causing conflicts.

Stephen.m

03-28-2005, 02:39 PM

but i thought the devs said the game could not have many resolution options because all the dials would be tiny and they would have to resize everything? kind of hard i think.

steve_v

03-28-2005, 02:44 PM

http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/blows.jpg

Antrodemus

03-28-2005, 02:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Apparently cracked versions of the game (starforce disabled) are able to modify the CFG file's resolution with success but uncracked versions of the game (starforce enabled) block the CFG changes. I haven't tested this myself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I reckon it's probably more to do with the need for a small TSR program running in the background to change the res, in which case, Starforce is merely doing its job, as it's just those type of progs, i.e. disk emulators, that it tries to prohibit. If it prohibits or limits the use of perfectly legitimate progs, that's a different matter, and folks would indeed have cause to complain.

A.

Monkeywho

03-28-2005, 02:54 PM

Here is the post from Slyspsks originally addressing the issue of running at a higher resolution than 1024:

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slyspsks

posted Mon March 28 2005 09:50
There's a tool available that allows to override the resolution, and the game apparently runs fine in any res at least up to 1600x1200 so its just laziness from the developers. Starforce blocks the resolution override though so its only for those people who have the game without SF...
Posts: 3 | Registered: Thu March 24 2005

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He also also posted a link to the program that allows you to have higher resolutions in this thread.

SORRY FOLKS -

THIS LINK HAS BEEN DELETED DUE TO IT NEEDING A CRACKED "ILLEGAL" COPY of SH3

But. . SH3 can have higher resolutions I guess.

But only with an illegal copy...Geez.. that makes a lot of sense.
(Yes I have the LEGAL copy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

This was an earlier post..
posted Mon March 28 2005 14:14
quote:
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Monkeywho:
After reading several posts around on this forum. I have found that allegedly this game can run fine in res up to 1600. However, the copy proctection system, Starfarce as I have lovingly nicknamed it, overrides and prevents changing the resolution even manually.
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Found it where?
By whom?
When was this?
Post the links.
________________________

I was attempting to answer his questions and demand for proof. . Antrodemus

Next time. .don't be so quick to judge.

As it is. . I have deleted the link because I do want LEGAL copies to sell. But the link does indeed exist.

Antrodemus

03-28-2005, 02:56 PM

Nice one... give a direct link to a program that requires the cracked version in order to work...

You're a genius. I bet you're popular with the UBI staff.

A.

Tempest261

03-28-2005, 03:21 PM

That's great! Thanks!

Anyone know of an easy way to disable starforce without cracking the game?

hauitsme

03-28-2005, 03:31 PM

With 3 or 4 new pages being generated here daily, it makes it impossible to know where anything is. The search function worked before Ubi decided to 'upgrade' the Forums.
Always try to post the link when dealing with another thread. Sometimes, one needs to know how the discussion started and how it was replied to. Sometimes it's just a misunderstanding of what someone else said.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Antrodemus:
Nice one... give a direct link to a program that requires the cracked version in order to work...
You're a genius. I bet you're popular with the UBI staff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can't you read, or did you just ignore what Monkeywho posted?
"from Slyspsks" ... "He also also posted a link to the program"

Monkeywho

03-28-2005, 03:39 PM

To: Hauitsme

I had originally re-posted the link from Slyspsks in my post for you to access, but after Antrodemus's observation that it needed an illegal version of SH3 to run I deleted the link that I had posted.

Re: "The search function worked before Ubi decided to 'upgrade' the Forums."

Ah! So that is why they don't work. It does make it hard to find stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now I know. Thanks.

Tempest261

03-28-2005, 03:42 PM

Anyone who wants the link, PM/E-mail me. The app is not specific to SHIII, and while you'd need a crack (or if someone else finds a way to kill SF) to play it, maybe this will be a little more pressure for the Dev's to be a little more reasonable. I'm all for paying money for games (which I did), but I will hapily crack the hell out of it to allow me to play at a native resolution.

TASKFORCE1x1

03-28-2005, 03:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Monkeywho:
Re-worded due to some poorly choiced words.

Some of us, not all, would like to see some end-user options as far as Resolutions. Also some of us, not all, have had issues with the Copy Protection System currently in use in SH3. Therefore, here is a poll re: Higher Resolutions and a request for a different Copy Protection system. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dev team mentions it cannot be done. Requires changing the game engine and model/texture files.-my best guess. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

hauitsme

03-28-2005, 03:50 PM

@ Monkeywho: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Sometimes the advanced search does work, but maybe 1 in 100 times only. I never have been able to get the regular one to work, not once.

@ Antrodemus: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

What a difference only a few(5) minutes make. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

TASKFORCE1x1

03-28-2005, 03:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Concerning the resolution that is limited to 1024x768:

The resolution issue is a technical one... We already have drops in frame rate at high time compressions (remember that at any time the game calculate the lone ships and convoys in the whole world)... a higher resolution at the graphic present in game and the lots and lots of calculations means to kill even high end machines. You could improve the aspect of the game using a glare feature (a software antialiasing - use Shift + Page Up/Page Down to increase/ decrease the software antialiasing) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=857101043&m=2341042492

Monkeywho

03-28-2005, 04:05 PM

Currently I average: 85 FPS

Time Compression: Is normally ran at 512

Use of the Shift PageUp / Page Down feature for myself results in too much glare / wash-out so I do not use it.

Personally, 1024 res is great for me, but there are other users with widescreens that could use a higher resolution and the argument can still be made that computers will get better and be able to handle the higher resolutions and / or calculations.

If there is software out there that can enable SH3 (with Starforce disabled) at a higher resolution with a acceptable frame rate then again why do the Devs not give us the option to attempt a higher resolution Taskforce?

I can see the Devs argument against higher resolutions if the resolution is somehow hard coded in and it might be impossible to change it, but it seems to me (not a computer programmer so I don't know jack) that if a 3rd party program can fix it then why can't the Devs?

Again. . not saying the game isn't awesome or pretty just it is. I am concerned that SH3 won't age well. Yes, I know it just came out, but technology really advances quickly. If the resolution is locked in at 1024 then the game could become outdated as 640 and 800 res's. Granted I actually play 640 res games still, but that became a niche market (Old Adventure Games / MS-DOS Game in General.)

Kpt_Zig

03-28-2005, 04:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Stephen.m:
but i thought the devs said the game could not have many resolution options because all the dials would be tiny and they would have to resize everything? kind of hard i think. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's the most likely explanation...all the work involved with making multiple versions of all the images to work on multiple resolutions.

Personally I'm not that bothered, as the look of the sim at 1024x768 is good enough for me, even though I run most everything else at 1600x1200 on a 22" monitor. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Antrodemus

03-28-2005, 11:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Can't you read, or did you just ignore what Monkeywho posted?
"from Slyspsks" ... "He also also posted a link to the program" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hauitsme, It's you who needs to learn to read. I never even aluded to Monkeywho being the source of the program. Read, comprehend, then post. His link, regardless of whether he uses a cracked version or not, encouraged people to do the same, which, for your benefit, was my point.

A.

hauitsme

03-29-2005, 02:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Antrodemus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Can't you read, or did you just ignore what Monkeywho posted?
"from Slyspsks" ... "He also also posted a link to the program" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
hauitsme, It's _you_ who needs to learn to read. I never even aluded to Monkeywho being the source of the program. Read, comprehend, then post. His link, regardless of whether _he_ uses a cracked version or not, encouraged people to do the same, which, for your benefit, was my point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
A) On the surface, it 'looked' like you did.
B) Did you not see my http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif afterwards? It was only 3 posts down from my first. Or don't you care?
C) Which 'His' and 'he' are you refferring to now?(this post)
"Sometimes it's just a misunderstanding of what someone else said." - When one person quotes another in a post, it's easy to get something confused.