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03-30-2005, 02:00 PM
We've all seen the screenshots I'm sure. So what do you think of them. Any comments are welcome: are they (in your opinion) magnified versions of the real thing or stills from in-game movies, do you like them or not, ...
03-30-2005, 03:08 PM
I really love ubisoft right now!
I think this game will be the breakthrough for heroes of might and magic. The series have always been for the hardcorde fans... but this game seems to open up the possibility of a broader audience.
Well I really love the look of the game, seems to keep the same feeling to it, BUT in a way heroes should have looked all from the start IMO.
This is just great!, thx ubi... or maybe should I say thx nival and Fabrice!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
03-30-2005, 03:14 PM
Well, well, well - I am not so dissapointed, as angry...how could the designers draw smth like this - this s*** is almost the same as Disciples 2 (the battle mode view).
P.S. I really am a HoMM fan, and I was really waiting for this game, because earlier game (Heroes 4) just shake me (in bad way I mean), and then here comes Heroes5, which is almost the same...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
03-30-2005, 03:45 PM
Me who is a fan of Heroes saga for over 8 years now and one of the biggest Heroes fans out there I think that u guys are RUENING (or whats that english word) the game!! The 3D World looks **** to be honest... Homm 4 was the last drop but this thing scares me :-/ looks like Warcraft III wich is totally NOT HOMM series!
The last good HOMM was HOMM 3 and below it.
I am really nervous bout these new pics... not a Homm at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif even the 2D Graphics were 3x beautiful as these three pics show in 3D
edit: To the creators: NOT HEROES AT ALL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif YOU GUYS ARE WAY OFF... WAYY OFF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif(((
03-30-2005, 03:55 PM
I must admit I am a bit concerned about the fully 3D graphics engine too. Map editor (if they do have one, hopefully) will be harder to use unless they make it easy to use. It does look alot like Kohan II and Warcraft III. VERY SIMILAR. I would buy this game even if it was using an enhanced HOMM III engine (beautiful 2D graphics I say!). Regardless, graphics isn't really much of a concern compared to gameplay for, because gameplay was crucial in getting me addicted to this series. I still play HOMM III nowadays compared to any new games like GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Half-life 2, etc.
I hope they keep the gameplay as closely tied to the previous iterations.
Btw, despite me favoring Heroes 1-3 graphics over Heroes 4, I really like the way the made the Angel creature (in the concept art and in the screenshot). It looks awesome!!!
03-30-2005, 04:01 PM
Guys i know that super 3D graphics spook you.
but as long as they would keep the Gameplay - Heroes will b Heroes. if they wont mess up too much and wont make the battle for instance more complex, then do you guys care if your "Titan" is 2D or 3D - which is more appealing.
if some1 played here Etherlords, he would say that Nival is great Development Company. I wasnt dissapointed never with any of their games, i was only amazed. Trust Nival.
*cross fingers and hope for the best*
03-30-2005, 04:06 PM
The screenshots remind me the most of World of Warcraft...and that is one of the reasons I play EQ2 instead of WoW. Disciples I & II I feel are innovative and beautiful games. They're dark but the art is original.
I also still enjoy playing Heroes IV. The changes they made took some getting used to but mostly they were daring and useful. My only gripe with the game was the lack of castles, which they limited with the magic system.
If these screens are of actual in game scenes it will take some getting used to but as an avid HOMM fan I will give whatever Ubisoft and Nivel come out with a try. Thank you guys for finally getting the ball rolling. It feels good to be anticipating a new Heroes game!
03-30-2005, 04:07 PM
Yes, gameplay is key in making Heroes of Might and Magic... HEROES OF MIGHT AND MAGIC! Besides, the graphics may look like Warcraft III, but you must take note that they are only HALF WAY in their development cycle! That means they will have plenty of time to polish and polish the graphics into something smoother and more "Heroes" like.
03-30-2005, 04:11 PM
I wish a little description of what the four picture represent. i mean is that are the four picture an animation for heroes moving? is there a top down view of the map? if not how can someone search for the buried treasure? thanx
03-30-2005, 04:55 PM
I guess they are in-game screenshots, but with the camera-moved. They won't be the 'usual' way to play the game, altough i hope they allow us to get the camera moved to take screenshots.
Quality is standart IMHO, wich is not bad for a TBS, where the graphics are not the main point. They are pretty immersive in the game world, and that is what counts. This graphic level is, IMHO, enough and they should concentrate in gameplay from now on, because that is what is going to make the game great or not.
Dragon Angel Aseved
03-30-2005, 05:01 PM
i think the graphics look ok but like...they look FLAT like all the units are 2d!
03-30-2005, 05:17 PM
Yep, gameplay > graphics. People like me still play HoMM 3 for a reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
03-30-2005, 05:24 PM
I think the pics look really good IMO, brings the series up to date. I especially like the pic where hero is in a town, very cool, almost like you can ride through it 3rd person style!
03-30-2005, 05:28 PM
That reminds me, I can't wait to see how the new Castles look!
03-30-2005, 05:40 PM
I agree, graphics are only a small part of the game and will not make or break the game all by themselves. For me, plot is the first concern, followed by game play, and only then by graphics. The main purpose of graphics (along with helping to create the ââ‚¬Ĺ“atmosphereââ‚¬Âť) is to provide eye candy, so people who have never played a Heroes game before who pick up the box will see the screen shots on the back and go: ââ‚¬Ĺ“Ooo, how cool! I want to play this!ââ‚¬Âť
Even if the graphics were terrible (which they arenââ‚¬™t, IMO), that wouldnââ‚¬™t stop me from buying the game. Terrible game play might. Terrible plotline will.
03-30-2005, 05:53 PM
I just hope there is no rushed release, and it will go out without bugs, or as an unfinished product... or with disbalanced sides/monsters and such.
03-30-2005, 05:57 PM
I think the graphics are good as graphics, but i'd hate to see them in Heroes V.
I think the graphics are WAY too colorful and Warcraft-like
And i think that the Angel and the Devil thing look terrible! Does anybody else agree?
03-30-2005, 05:59 PM
I admit that it does not have much of a chessboard feeling, but we can't just stick to a 2D battlefield with 2D characters moving across it forever. I'm sure most people will get used to the way that the creatures look after a while and the fields look pretty good already.
We should keep an open mind and trust that Nival will do a good job. After all, we are only seeing graphics here and that does not tell anything about the game itself. And I won't hesitate to say that NWC was lacking on the graphics department, so we may well be in for a treat.
03-30-2005, 06:29 PM
1st screenshot - Very nice view. Nice 3D landscape. Looks like some Online RPG game to me (hey I'm new so I have no idea how does online games looks like). The guy on horse I assume he is THE hero. Nice. The sky and mountains blend together nicely.
2nd screenshot - The 3D graphics here looks cool too since they use fires and flames with smoke and ashes together. Again, the (red) sky and structure along with solid dark rock landscape make the whole picture realistic in some way.
3rd screenshot - Well looks like they are using the Angel art concept that they shown to Celestial Heavens months ago. Love it!! The blue energy magic on the sword makes it like she is really a holy warrior sent down to wipe off all the evils from the (pure) land. As for that devil looking fella, not sure but he looks short! Another nice art concept. However the shadows don't look that good somehow...
4th screenshot - Another nice 3D graphics. This looks like adventuring mode. Hero on horseback travelling along the path, meet a creature and a faerie (I think it is a faerie ring that boost luck).
Overall very good! Looking forward to this new Heroes game by Ubisoft and Nival.
03-30-2005, 07:25 PM
It has been confirmed that the game will be inclined towards more strategy then RPG according to Fabrice. So, what you see in those pics dosn't tell me at all or confirm this fact. There just pics and thats all they are and I don't think they take away from the general gameplay of the Heroes of might and magic series. I think H5 is going to be a great strategy game just like the previous games. BTW, the monsters in one of the pics look amazing!
03-30-2005, 09:46 PM
2D... 3D... "Good, Bad, I'm the guy with the gun!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Gameplay - that's the thing defining life of a product.
I'm nutty on HoMM3 - the gameplay (IMHO) was at the top of development.
And I don't like HoMM4 since they gave almost nothing for gameplay. Mostly they repeated earlier versions of HoMM and good old Master of Magic. And taking into account their particolored graphics with a lot of pinpoint details, I would like to say that HoMM4 was a failed game.
Nival's graphic style in itself is neither good, nor bad. Etherlords I and II were good games, but since Magic: the Gathering in real life is better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I paid them not too much attention. So, it seems more reasonable to see what the game will be and to judge the game in general, not some separate screenshots...
03-30-2005, 11:35 PM
I think that all of us ("old players") that have played the homm series from the first or second title will prefere the 2D versions... just have to admitt that we are a bit sentimental about the whole idea. I belive that a game has to evolve or die. You can't expect that every new title in the series will be a pollished up version of homm 2. Personally i like the idea of homm 5 being a 3d game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
The most important thing is that the game will be playable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
03-31-2005, 02:25 AM
Good question. I'm thrilled with 3D graphics latelly. I was so out of date since i've tried to play Silent Storm, and Warhammer 40.000: Dawn of war. 3D is fantastic. As for these shots, i'm 100% confident that they are zoomed in. (try to check Warhammer to see what i mean). Love the graphics so far. If you found them close to Warcraft III, i hope that the HOMM-5 would also have such astonishing cinematics as well.
03-31-2005, 03:58 AM
i think graphics are good, but not "Incredibles", i think that they should (more) employ pixel shaders for water effects for example ( like that (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/affpic.htm?images/pc/a/g/age3pc009.jpg) (this type of effects are commons today,and introduce by dx8, and the game will be out in 2006...), but i want more screenshots to have a real opinion.
03-31-2005, 09:02 AM
As I already wrote in other topic (didnt see this one) - I won't buy any HoMM game with 3D graphics.
HoM&M was always 2D game with beautiful drawings, tens, even hundreds of creatures with many diffrent abilities and castles. The thing I loved in for example HoM&M3 was that playing every castle took me weeks to find out good tactics for it, and even further I could think off many more tactics for the same castle.
I hated HoM&M4 for the **@(*$~~@~!!&% 3D graphics (it had nothing from magical world of HoM&M) and for that they lowered the amount of creatures to only about 60. And even though it could be good game... but they made me choose between buildings I build! Man! I could produce 4 diffrent creatures in 1 castle. Wow! Who came to this idea?! I'm gonna shoot him! You killed all tactics that I loved in this series!
And I'm angry becouse now I see that the 5th part of series will also run 3D graphics (the screenshots sux! sux! and sux! did I tell you they suck? well, anyway they suck!!) - thats not HoM&M like!
If you make HoM&M5 3d graphics you will ruin the series. If you like to make 3d-strategy then go ahead! But don't call it HoM&M!!! Becouse it will have nothing of magical 2d graphics I loved in HoM&M!
The angel, the devil - these look like unit's taken from warcraft... I just see red and blue square's ><'' They have nothing of beautiful HoM&M3 units!
MY ADVICE FOR YOU IS:
-> don't push yourself to make 3d game - really 3d is NOT cool!!
-> try just make something like HoM&M3 but bigger maps, more diffrent landscapes, more diffrent units with unique skills (ofcourse not every unit has to have a skill), remove heroes from fight - they should be just commander's, make the same castles but make more buildings to build in every of them, and make more creatures for every castle
-> ever played Wake of Gods mod for HoM&M3? Make an map editor and campain editor with scripts! so that a loss in one map is not a loss in whole campain!
-> and again: FORGET 3d! 2d RULES!! (no, I'm not 30 years old grandpa whitch is nostalgic about old-good games.. i'm 17 year old great fan of HoM&M series and I'm expecting a 2d! Yes! Believe or not, but some of us, players, love 2d graphics like in Baldur's Gate or HoM&M series!)
03-31-2005, 09:02 AM
ah... did I tell you these screenshots suck? really? no? well - THEY SUCK!
03-31-2005, 09:50 AM
You are a bitter bitter man. It's too bad you can't feel any happiness. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I for one am very happy with the new look. I think it's about time for a change. I don't think there is anything inherently ugly in 3D graphics nor do I think there is anything inherently beautiful in 2D graphics. It's all up to the artists and in this case I think Nival has some **** good artists. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
03-31-2005, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loostro:
ah... did I tell you these screenshots suck? really? no? well - THEY SUCK! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Amen. I cannot believe there are so many idiots out there who are like "oo-oh, it is 3D, it must be good."
What is even more rediculous that everybody is saying "i don't know what these screenshots are, but i like them". So even they admit they cannot figure out what the hell all this cr*p has to do with HoMM.
03-31-2005, 10:55 AM
I hope that these screenshots are Prima Aprillis joke!!!!!!!!!!
Te screeny to jakiĹ"ş prima aprilisowy ĹĽart!
03-31-2005, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by simon_cowell:
Amen. I cannot believe there are so many idiots out there who are like "oo-oh, it is 3D, it must be good."
What is even more rediculous that everybody is saying "i don't know what these screenshots are, but i like them". So even they admit they cannot figure out what the hell all this cr*p has to do with HoMM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And I can't believe those who go "waah! it's 3d. Bad, bad UbiSoft made Heroes 3d and now i'm not going to buy it". Honestly, if you at least had been complaining about that you wouldn't be able to run it since your computers are too old I wouldn't have minded so much. But no, it's all about how bad 3d is, but not even a single argument about why it's bad- if you're gonna keep bashing it, point out how/why it's bad.
And if some people claim they don't know what things are, they're probably half blind- most of the stuff that's close enough to the camera is clearly recognizeable.
03-31-2005, 12:28 PM
This whole 2d/3d thing is starting to look just like the same 2d/3d portrait camp in the nwn2 forums.... does it really matter? Nival has made the choice, and I for one am glad they chose to innovate. Sure, 2d graphics can be rich and wonderful, but computers nowadays can render 3d graphics comparable with 2d graphics. To make the whole arguement even more banal, what you see on the screen anyways is a 2d projection of a 3d image. On the plus side of the implementation of 3d rendering, we might finally be able to have heroes looking like what they are equiped with and other 'real time' updates, with much less zots spent there and more on fixing gameplay issues. To argue that 3d looses the homm flavour is one of personal taste, which, just like art, always has its critics. From the screenshots available i feel that the cheerful fantasy that got me hooked is still well present. If i wanted gritty there are always other games *cough-disciples-cough* that i can go play.
Go Nival! I await the release date with glee!
03-31-2005, 12:44 PM
Lets try to agree on two bottom-line conclusion when discussing graphics so we keep this forum constructive:
1) there is no necessary correlation between 3D graphics and 2D strategic play. you can bet that Ubi and Nival are going to preserve the best parts of the game. Arguing about this is pointless until we are told more details about gameplay specifics.
2) the preference for 2D over 3D is purely subjective. you either like one or the other, or are perfectly happy with either. there is no point in arguing "which is better" because it is purely a matter of personal taste.
03-31-2005, 12:48 PM
You've got my vote orbiter, though i thought i made that clear in my post... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
03-31-2005, 02:20 PM
I'm pretty disappointed with the whole 3D idea... knew this was coming after Fabrice said that the game will be in 3D but will work on older computers - at this time, that just doesn't go with good looks. I mean, I think most of us can agree that the NWC phoenix for H5 looked better than any of these 3D creatures.
And look at the RTS genre - tons of 3D games released; Empire Earth, WarCraft 3, Rise of Nations, etc. - and if you look at infantry in these games, it doesn't look nearly as good as in some of the 2D RTSs such as Cossacks. The first 3D RTS that did it right was Act of War, and it by no means runs on older computers.
I think at this point, Heroes just isn't ready for 3D - one of the greatest things about the series was that it always worked on older comps (even H4), and good 3D (i.e. Act of War) just doesn't work on older computers yet. Maybe in 2 years.
Many here noted that these screens look a lot like WarCraft 3 and I have to completely agree. And that's not a very good thing, WarCraft 3's graphics might've been decent for an RTS where everything is zoomed out, but they're definitely NOT good when you zoom in a bit closer. Hopefully Ubi will greatly improve the graphics until release, but that's probably unlikely.
03-31-2005, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by alvinstardust:
You've got my vote orbiter, though i thought i made that clear in my post... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And mine. Refusing to even consider a game simply because it is in 3D is foolish because the graphics are simply the media the game is portrayed with. Heroes is not about graphics. It is about crushing oneââ‚¬™s enemies with spells and armies to achieve a greater goal.