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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:06 PM
I must admit that at first I was a little disappointed when I upgraded my GPU from GF4 Ti4200 128MB but then I finally got the courage to over clock my new Leadtek GF5900 128MB to Ultra rate and it really toke off!

Original 3D setting is 400/850 and the Ultra is 450/850. Not a big difference but it makes a huge difference in the game. I run at 1600x1200x32 and get 40-80 fps of line. No compression and anisotropic. I tried it in perfect landscape but excellent looks better and perfect cuts the fps in half.

So let the ATI etc rants begin. I don't care what you use as long as you are happy with the result! I'm happy!! I'm in LOVE!

Master Happy!

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:06 PM
I must admit that at first I was a little disappointed when I upgraded my GPU from GF4 Ti4200 128MB but then I finally got the courage to over clock my new Leadtek GF5900 128MB to Ultra rate and it really toke off!

Original 3D setting is 400/850 and the Ultra is 450/850. Not a big difference but it makes a huge difference in the game. I run at 1600x1200x32 and get 40-80 fps of line. No compression and anisotropic. I tried it in perfect landscape but excellent looks better and perfect cuts the fps in half.

So let the ATI etc rants begin. I don't care what you use as long as you are happy with the result! I'm happy!! I'm in LOVE!

Master Happy!

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:40 PM
You have a leadtek card.....Monitor the fan if you can. You don't want the fan going down while your overclocking the card.

Master.Mariner wrote:
- I must admit that at first I was a little
- disappointed when I upgraded my GPU from GF4 Ti4200
- 128MB but then I finally got the courage to over
- clock my new Leadtek GF5900 128MB to Ultra rate and
- it really toke off!
-
- Original 3D setting is 400/850 and the Ultra is
- 450/850. Not a big difference but it makes a huge
- difference in the game. I run at 1600x1200x32 and
- get 40-80 fps of line. No compression and
- anisotropic. I tried it in perfect landscape but
- excellent looks better and perfect cuts the fps in
- half.
-
- So let the ATI etc rants begin. I don't care what
- you use as long as you are happy with the result!
- I'm happy!! I'm in LOVE!
-
- Master Happy!
-
-

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:47 PM
How long will this love last? Until the next card comes along with new attractive packaging to tempt you? Then what?
Will you even remember the things you've said today?
Well? Will you?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:53 PM
....and will being RBJ's friend really make you happy...? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 10:19 PM
Whens the WEDDING - LOL

Hunter82
07-29-2003, 10:36 PM
I think he was a virgin /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif They get all cuddly when it's over /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 10:44 PM
Well congratulations http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Enable Anisotropic and you will be in seventh heaven! It´s a crime to run without especially with such a high end card.

Just to bad you didn´t got an 9800 PRO and you would be in 8th heaven http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 10:54 PM
Anisotropic IS on! And so am I!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sorry guys but the envy shines right throu.
This thread was intended to help the ones with FX5900s to give the info about the clockrate but then I should know better by now!

Master

Hunter82
07-29-2003, 10:58 PM
trust me we are happy for you....but take the joking in stride.... I will allow friendly ribbing here in the Tech forum... I won't allow people being abusive. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 12:07 AM
Yeah a 5900 FX or 9800 PRO would be nice but I am waiting for the next generation before I upgrade from my 9700 PRO. The 9800 PRO and 5900 FX doesn´t got the performance to justify it, especially not with my wallet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 12:54 AM
I'm really happy I went with the 5900 Ultra over the 9800 this time. I fooled around with alot of different combos, and came up with 1280 with 8x fsaa as looking the best with fps good enough for Perfect setting. I'm impressed, and not a jaggie for 100 miles.

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Hunter82
07-30-2003, 12:55 AM
so you have your new Falcon now Buzz?

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:19 AM
Yes,I got it yesterday. I love it. It blows away my old one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 01:57 AM
Buzz

what are the COMPLETE new system specs compared to the old one?

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:00 AM
Groan..I hate to type it all out. Hang on. I'll do it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:16 AM
Old system:

ATC-201 Aluminum Case
Enermax 450W PS
Asus P4G8X DDR MB
P4 3.0
Coolmaster Cooler
Corsair PC2700 Ram 1 gig
WD 80 GB 8mb
9800 Pro
Sony 52X CD ROM
Audigy 2
Plexitor 48/24/48
Win XP

New system:

ATC-201 Aluminum Case
Enermax 450 W PS
Asus P4800DDR/400 875P
P4 3.2 GHz/800
Zalman P4 Cooler....really nice cooler
Corsair TwinX 3200 1 gig
WD 80GB 8mb
FX 5900 Ultra 256 mb
Rest the same as above

With no o/c and non cheat drivers (44.61) I get 3D Mark 2001 score of 18200 3D 2003 score of 6735.

This may not seem like much of a upgrade from the old system, but it's like night and day in the games. I am more than pleased.


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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:19 AM
So u like the 5900 better the the 9800? Image quality better? same?

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:25 AM
I can see your need to upgrade, your old system was absolutely obsolete LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:28 AM
I like it much better. It allows me to use 8x fsaa, and that looks better than the 9800 ever looked to me.

Also it hasn't shown me any problems at all in other games where I did have problems with the 9800.

I can honestly say this is the first system that i've been 100% happy with.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:34 AM
So that 3.2ghz with 800fsb seems to get over the hump to allow Perfect settings? I got a 9800pro, but a 1800XP, so I am hoping getting a 2.4C P4 and overclocking it to 3-3.2ish will get me over the hump.


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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:40 AM
Yes it will allow perfect. Since I have a fresh install right now. I'm not using the patch. I'll probably wait for the final one now. The patch should make perfect alot easier to run.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:40 AM
I've got a HOT pc, but a new 800 mhz Falcon...I hate...er...envy you.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:42 AM
lbhskier37 wrote:
- So that 3.2ghz with 800fsb seems to get over the
- hump to allow Perfect settings? I got a 9800pro,
- but a 1800XP, so I am hoping getting a 2.4C P4 and
- overclocking it to 3-3.2ish will get me over the
- hump.
-

Why don´t you get a 2500+ Barton? Most do at least 3000-3200+ at 200 fsb all for 100$. The Bartons is the perfect gaming CPU.

It get beaten in most windows benchmarks to the P 4 3.2 Hyperthreading by quite a margain and at best is on par in the tests but when it comes to gaming it´s most often faster than the P 4 flagship.

Hyperthreading after all don´t do much when you gaming since you seldom multitask while playing...

Sure it doesn´t demolish the P 4 3.2 in any way but consider how many times cheaper it´s...

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:45 AM
Your reading test results again. I knew I was right to not believe them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:50 AM
What test results am I reading? Or is it anyone else that has post any test results? I don´t see any.

Testing CPU:s is a lot easier than testing video cards since the CPU manufacturers can´t cheat as easy as especially video card manufacturers can. The performance you see is very much the performance you get http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My 2500+ will be arriving next week I hope.

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 02:53 AM
Your quote:

It get beaten in most windows benchmarks to the P 4 3.2 Hyperthreading by quite a margain and at best is on par in the tests but when it comes to gaming it´s most often faster than the P 4 flagship.


Where do you get that from?

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Hunter82
07-30-2003, 03:01 AM
MY 2500 gets 22K on 3d Mark 2001 with the 9800 and 6800 on 2003, CPU test due to HT is where it gets bogged down......other than that and I`m using my Intel system the AMD is a much more viable solution. This is my 2nd Intel in the last year also.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 03:15 AM
Hmm hardware forums (www.hardforums.com, (http://www.hardforums.com,) www.aoaforums.com, (http://www.aoaforums.com,) www.amdforums.com), (http://www.amdforums.com),) www.anandtech.com (http://www.anandtech.com) http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=18944
www.hardocp.com (http://www.hardocp.com)

As I said it´s very much the case with the 5900 ULTRA and 9800 PRO they got basically the same performance in term of speed.

I have had problems finding overclocked 2500+ reviews most are 3000+ or 3200+ reviews but an overclocked cpu at the same speed is just about always faster or at least just as fast.

What I have encountered is that games with old game engines or less advanced "q3 arena based games especially" The P IV 3 Ghz is noticeable faster than the 3000+ and the same of course goes to 3200+ versus p 4 3,2 while in some games the BARTON is noticeable faster and in most perform very much the same.

Overall the P 4 3.2 may have a very slight advantage thanks to it´s raw speed but how much do a P 4 cost? It´s also the most hot running CPU out there so I don´t know if it overclocks very well. The 3200+ doesn´t overclock good at all that´s for sure.than

You get maybe a 1-2 % speed increase if you only play games for what cost?

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 03:31 AM
We're not talking about what they cost. We're talking about which performs better.

Your getting your arguement from tests you read. that's why I said i'm glad I didn't believe those tests, and went with what Falcon was telling me.

Then you said what tests, and then come back with tests. Funny.

I go by what I see on my own systems. i don't believe half of what I read on claims guys make, or tests I read. You also don't have to believe me. It won't make my results worse if you don't believe me../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I know what I saw with my AMD,and ATI systems, and I know what I see now. That's the bottom line.

Have a nice day. I have a race to get ready for.Cyas..

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:07 AM
FX 5900, Radeon 9700 and 9800 are just amazing video cards, just take a look to what they can do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Can't wait for the next generation of video cards to upgrade from my old ATI RAGE 128! lol

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:08 AM
Stuka_87 wrote:
- FX 5900, Radeon 9700 and 9800 are just amazing video
- cards, just take a look to what they can do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
- Can't wait for the next generation of video cards to
- upgrade from my old ATI RAGE 128! lol
-
-

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 06:17 AM
My point in asking about your new system was to show (unless you ran the 9800 in the new system, which you didn't) that the 5900 isn't responsible for the increase in speed that you've seen-it's the much higher memory bus speed and marginal increase in cpu speed (that is the cruncher of FB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

But cheers to your new system /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 06:18 AM
And thanks for posting the info buzz.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 06:40 AM
I understand what your saying. That's why I asked Falcon to run the new system with boththe 9800 and 5900 to see which had the best performance. I said to give me the winner. You see what I have.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 10:44 AM
1-2 % gain for 700$ that´s a deal.

Money is an object for the majority of people.

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 11:05 AM
when do you think we can expect systems (generation of GPU ?) that will allow to play perfect with performance like get with excellent today ? I`m just trying to figure out whaen i`m gonna be upgrading from my Athlon 2700+ and Radeon 9800 pro..?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:20 PM
Exactly my point of view too. I would like to run FB in 1600 x 1200 with everything maxed out (including FSAA and Aniso) and still get smooth gameplay.

I occasionally reconfigure my existing PC to get a feeling of it, and drop to 5 fps average /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif but on the sony 21" screen , image quality is stunning /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Based on info gathered to date, I tend to believe that:

FB needs massive CPU to memory bandwidth -> 800 Mhz FSB is a requirement

I was wondering whether (instead of buying the fastest clocked CPU) it would be better to use a 2.8 GHz PIV and then overclock the CPU and the FSB to further increase bandwidth. Memory speed to support that (DDR 400+) is available.

The other problem is the GPU - Anybody out there achieving 40+ FPS with current generation GPUs in 1600 x 1200, and everything maxed out?

Salute

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:23 PM
Yes I can. I'm sure Hunter can too. I have to cut back fsaa though to do it. I love the way 8x fsaa looks, and I won't give it up for anything. Maybe the next generation CPU will allow everything to max.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 06:48 PM
Thanks Buzz - such an honest answer from somebody who just got the best system money can buy is not common (btw, congratulations, nice beast you have there!)

I think FSAA is indispensable too. I can't get it with my GF3, even at 1024 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif However, image quality is acceptable, so that I would be disappointed if buying a new rig only got me half way to the nirvana...)

So we'll wait. Maybe you can help us figure out for how long:

What sort of FPS are you seeing with 8x FSAA at 1600 x 1200? This will tell us how much more power we need from the GPU in %, and it is then easy to guess whether one generation will be enough /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 07:46 PM
With 8x fsaa I don't need to use 1600 res. Using 1280 looks perfect with 8x fsaa. I can keep fps from 40-140 with that setting. No matter what the map is.

1600 res with 8x fsaa is more of a drain and will dip into the high 20's on some intensive maps, but to be honest. I don't see a difference between 1600 and 1280 if you use 8x fsaa. So, why bother?

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 09:55 PM
Interestsing. I will try out the 1280 and 8 x FSAA setting and see if I can notice a difference with 1600. With my 5 fps I might have a slight advantage over you as an observer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks anyway. Apart from the test above, if you're getting high 20's with a GF 5900 Ultra, then we could expect 40 in the next generation - which means your initial statement was probably fair: the next generation will do it...

Good night for now (I am in Europe!)

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 11:20 PM
Why aren´t you running at 1600x1200 with no antialiasing? That what I would do if I got your system which I sure damn want to even if it´s wrong owning nvidia video cards these days with everything they are up to http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Maybe you can pull it off without aa at very little image quality loss.
I am weak hearted though so I wouldn´t refuse one if I got one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway I find any game looking much crisper and cleaner at 1600x1200 with no antialiasing than 1600x1200 with 4 or 6x aa and the Radeons got the best antialiasing of all. But you maybe got a big monitor to go with it I am stuck on an 21" monitor.

I will guess the R420 that shouldn´t be to long until it arrives will definiatly do it. Rumours (and that is only rumours) is that it´s going to be based on 4 RV350 (R 9600) chips and have 12x1 pipelines or 6x2.

But the big new generation will be the R500 and NV50