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GoToAway
12-22-2010, 03:49 AM
I've been looking online at TVs to replace my current one, which is rather soggy. I won't be able to get anything for a while, but I'm just looking to see what's out there.

I'm a bit out of it when it comes to TVs. I got my last TV in 1998 and it was a 27" CRT.

Flat panels are surprisingly cheap these days, but I notice a common theme: none of them seem to have coax inputs (or at least they're not included in their spec sheets.) Is that right? How would you hook it up to cable if that's the case? I know you can pass it through another device, but that seems kind of stupid for anyone just wanting to keep things simple.

Bearcat99
12-22-2010, 06:51 AM
HDMI seems to be the way everything is going.. most cable boxes nowadays have HDMI but TVs still have COAX as standard..

You should be able to get a decent 37-50" LCD for $400 - $600

M_Gunz
12-22-2010, 11:57 AM
With limited funds and a working PC .... something like one of these? (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1427&srkey=TV tuner)

Best part with most of them you can save video directly to HD as AVI/MP2/MP4. Make sure to get digital though and shop around!

Add: oh bugger, the UBI HTML tags are whacked. Sorry, pick the link out please.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-22-2010, 12:05 PM
The same way you always do, with the Antenna In, it may be digital now but it's still a coax. BTW, I am up on the latest TV stuff so post here with what you are looking at before you spend any money.

knightflyte
12-22-2010, 12:57 PM
I still have my JVC 27" TV. It has coax input with the other RCA/S-VHS inputs as well. For DVD I use component. It still works like a champ.

I don't watch a lot of TV so I don't have cable. When broadcast TV went digital I had to get a digital converter, which went between my TV and antenna. The converter has the output connection options of COAX cable, S-VHS cable, and Component cables.

If you're going to get cable TV wouldn't a converter box be part of a subscription? In many areas, HD is still offered at a premium.



I also still have my 1984 19" Mitsubishi TV. Worked last time I plugged it in. I used to use it as a preview monitor back in the old days of analogue video editing.

Ba5tard5word
12-22-2010, 02:09 PM
Most HDTV's still have coax outlets, but coax might not give you HD display. My parents got an HDTV and were wondering why it still looked the same as their old TV. I visited over Thanksgiving and found they had it hooked up by coax to the cable box, which made it look like crappy SD. I got an HDMI cable and hooked it up to the cable box and voila, HD signal worked. Newer cable boxes will have HDMI, use that for everything instead of coax.

You could use a computer monitor but I find they are really not good for viewing unless you're right in front of them, the display is hard to see unless you're right in front of it and at its level, if you're sitting a little below or above it, you can't see much. Depends on the monitor though. I hook up my pc to my HDTV with HDMI and it's great for games. It's pretty great with Il-2 is better for Track IR because it lets me sit back a bit and below the Track IR sensor so it gives me a bigger range of movement.

GoToAway
12-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
With limited funds and a working PC .... something like one of these? (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1427&srkey=TV tuner)

Best part with most of them you can save video directly to HD as AVI/MP2/MP4. Make sure to get digital though and shop around!

Add: oh bugger, the UBI HTML tags are whacked. Sorry, pick the link out please. I don't watch much TV. I had a tuner card years ago and really used it only a few times a year. I use the TV mostly for watching movies, and a monitor doesn't really cut it for that.

It's also why I don't really mind if the replacement is still months away. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif



Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
The same way you always do, with the Antenna In, it may be digital now but it's still a coax. BTW, I am up on the latest TV stuff so post here with what you are looking at before you spend any money. That's what I thought, but I didn't see it listed as an input on any of the models that I was looking at. I guess I don't need to worry about it.

My front runners are

Panasonic TC-L32U22/Panasonic TC-L37C22 (depending on whether I can afford the 37" in a few months)

or

Toshiba 32E200U (same goes for their 37" model)

Specs look good to me. Native 1080i, plenty of inputs, good response times, etc. Plus I've always had good luck with both Panasonic and Toshiba.


Thanks for the input.

GoToAway
12-22-2010, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
If you're going to get cable TV wouldn't a converter box be part of a subscription? I actually have cable already (it's part of a package deal with my net service. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.) No cable box, though.

I'm not terribly concerned if the cable is still SD. I don't want to pay for their "digital cable" and get the box since it would pretty much double my cable bill... and I don't watch it enough to justify that. As long as I can just jack the coax in, I'm not too worried. Maybe someday I'll join the 21st century and get real cable. And a cell phone.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-22-2010, 07:44 PM
If you hop on it right now newegg has a 40" Toshiba 1080P 120hz LCD on sale for $599 with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16889253240 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253240)

Ba5tard5word
12-22-2010, 07:54 PM
I'm not terribly concerned if the cable is still SD. I don't want to pay for their "digital cable" and get the box since it would pretty much double my cable bill... and I don't watch it enough to justify that. As long as I can just jack the coax in, I'm not too worried. Maybe someday I'll join the 21st century and get real cable. And a cell phone.

Watching stuff in SD will probably look worse on an HDTV than if you watched it on an old CRT TV. It's like that on mine. Unless you get an HD signal there isn't really any point in getting an HDTV.

You can get some HD channels for free though with an antenna though--basic stuff like your local NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, PBS and so on. If you don't want a cable bill you can do that and get HD. But if you want cable for cable stuff and don't want to pay the extra $10-20 for an HD signal with an HDMI-equipped cable box, you might as well just stick with a CRT.

GoToAway
12-22-2010, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
If you hop on it right now newegg has a 40" Toshiba 1080P 120hz LCD on sale for $599 with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16889253240 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253240) I can't afford it at the moment, unfortunately. It'll be the end of next month at the earliest.

I think $450 will have to be my hard limit... Ideally closer to $400 (which is why I was looking at 32"s to begin with.)


Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Watching stuff in SD will probably look worse on an HDTV than if you watched it on an old CRT TV. It's like that on mine. Unless you get an HD signal there isn't really any point in getting an HDTV.

You can get some HD channels for free though with an antenna though--basic stuff like your local NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, PBS and so on. If you don't want a cable bill you can do that and get HD. But if you want cable for cable stuff and don't want to pay the extra $10-20 for an HD signal with an HDMI-equipped cable box, you might as well just stick with a CRT. Like I said, I'm less concerned about how the cable looks than movies. I can deal with crappy looking cable for the time being since I'm basically only paying about $10/month for it. Someday I'll shell out for the upgrade, but for the time being it's not worth it for the 2-3 hours of TV I watch per week.

DVDs will certainly look better, though.

Cajun76
12-26-2010, 05:57 AM
If you haven't bought anything yet:

http://promotions.newegg.com/N...0-Index-_-E0-_-EL#EL (http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/dec-0-2010/afterchristmas26/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL122610&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL122610-_-EMC-122610-Index-_-E0-_-EL#EL)

Hope this helps.

Edit: That's almost the same one B5 posted, 40G300U vs. 40E200U

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...53-234^89-253-234-TS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006521%2050001259%2040000411%20600036586%2060 0036489&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=411%7C89-253-240%5E89-253-240-TS%2C89-253-234%5E89-253-234-TS)

Minor differences.

GoToAway
12-26-2010, 07:31 AM
That is a hell of a deal on a 40". That would really be pushing it for the room I'm thinking about, but at that price...

My only problem is that I'm not reading terribly favorable things about Toshiba's viewing angles vs other brands (especially Panasonic and Samsung) despite that they claim 178 degrees. I also don't hear favorable things about the contrast of their LCDs (which they refuse to publish... and coming from the graphic imaging world, I tend to be a color fidelity snob when it comes to displays. I like my blacks black.)

But still... 40". That definitely provides food for thought.

Thanks for the link.

voyager_663rd
12-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Lotsa "lcd or plasma" types of comparisons. Here's one:

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide...s/plasma-vs-lcd.html (http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/plasma-vs-lcd.html)

It's funny: my kids have a 52" plasma and I think the colours look better than my 52" lcd.

They watch my LCD and they think the colours look better on it than on their plasma.

Each to his own I guess.