When is graw 2 released

[Snuff_UK]

I am just asking because I have a funny feeling that we wont hear anything from ubi about the patch that we arent getting until graw 2 is out.

Also I would like to point out that anybody who goes and buys any ubi game after the way that we have been treated here needs their head examining.

[KFORF-Gaz]

30 March 2007. I cancelled my order for GRAW 2 and SH 4.

[hoellenfeuer]

It won't be released before June. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PeeCee_Gamer]

I also won't be buying GRAW 2 or SH4 even though I was looking forward to both.

I refuse to put money into the pockets of a company that treats it's PC customers like this and that allows it's forum moderators (Woosy, KungFu-CIA) to abuse their position of power.

[lceCold]

I won't buy either. It can be released in 4 years it won't be a problem for me this time.

[rogerwilco99]

My current strategy for GRAW 2 is not to purchase it until:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> they have a demo
<LI>they have positive reviews not previews
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards are about how to do things in game rather than how to get the game to run
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards is mostly positive
<LI>the game has been out for 6 months
[/list]

I have little hope that these conditions will be met. And if they don't meet these for GRAW 2 PC, then I won't be buying Silent Hunter 4, either.

[Cormac.]

My current strategy for GRAW 2 is not to purchase it until:


* they have a demo
* they have positive reviews not previews
* the chat on the GRAW PC boards are about how to do things in game rather than how to get the game to run
* the chat on the GRAW PC boards is mostly positive
* the game has been out for 6 months

Great strat, hope you dont mind if I use it. I will also add to that list the following:

* Proper SADS and
* PC Gamers in Australia actually playing it.

Looks like UBI have a fair bit of work on their hands.

[randolfphe]

even if graw 2 is great(unlikely) i will not be buying it or sh4 until i get my moneys worth on vegas. they need to learn to be consistent, if one of their company(montreal in this case) is doing a lazy port job, give it to the competent brances...or better yet contract it out to capable companies. ubi should stick with publishing.

[lceCold]

Originally posted by rogerwilco99:
My current strategy for GRAW 2 is not to purchase it until:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> they have a demo
<LI>they have positive reviews not previews
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards are about how to do things in game rather than how to get the game to run
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards is mostly positive
<LI>the game has been out for 6 months
[/list]

.

That is exactly what i was planning to do as well. Just about six month or when they will lower the price. And last point six month after release if there's any multiplayer left in there.

[Snuff_UK]

Its good to see that people are adopting the same strategy as me. Lets hope that we can encourage enough people to boycott ubi games and they may finally get the message.

[Operator.SF]

Originally posted by lceCold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rogerwilco99:
My current strategy for GRAW 2 is not to purchase it until:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> they have a demo
<LI>they have positive reviews not previews
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards are about how to do things in game rather than how to get the game to run
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards is mostly positive
<LI>the game has been out for 6 months
[/list]

.

That is exactly what i was planning to do as well. Just about six month or when they will lower the price. And last point six month after release if there's any multiplayer left in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


hahaha hell, you wont have to wait 6 months bro.... they'll quit supporting it after 2 and the price will plummet accordingly. hell maybe they'll give it away like iron wrath

[bjmarler1]

... they have positive reviews ...

Don't fall for the positive reviews. MOST of the reviews for VEGAS were VERY positive. Evidently the reviews are "causual" gamers and not clan members or "hard core" camers. I don't think I saw one of the positive reviews for VEGAS that mentioned the problems that exist.

So, it would seem that most of the reviews just pop in the disk, install the game, play a few hours, then write their review, and un-install.

[xoops]

Originally posted by rogerwilco99:
My current strategy for GRAW 2 is not to purchase it until:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> they have a demo
<LI>they have positive reviews not previews
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards are about how to do things in game rather than how to get the game to run
<LI>the chat on the GRAW PC boards is mostly positive
<LI>the game has been out for 6 months
[/list]


Quite generally (for any game and any company), I would add:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> Map editor, SDK, ALL the modding tools
<LI> SADS
<LI> At least one expansion pack, two is even better
<LI> Full support (updates, downloadable bonus maps, etc)
<LI> Communication with devs (development journals, etc)
<LI> No in-game advertisement
[/list]

This won't happen for GRAW 2 because ''UBI + GRIN = 0 + 0 = 0''.

I do not care for GRAW 2, but I'm really torn to pieces by SH4. I really wanted this game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

But I stick to my decision to boycott UBI!

[Snuff_UK]

The funny thing is that if you head over to www.ghostrecon.net (http://www.ghostrecon.net) they actually think the game will be supported http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But this is the funny bit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif The developers are not allowed to say whats in the game and cannot confirm that sads is in there, but expect us to trust them.

ROFL

[FI_FlimFlam]

My take on it was that GRAW was supported post release with regular patches and added free content. Content that some will say should have been in the original release but at least it was added and support continued through 1.35. Then development turned to the expansion. GRIN dropped hints as that was happening at the time so no one who has been following GRAW at GR.net really hasn't been suprised that no other patches have been released. They pretty much knew that any more improvements were forthcomming in an expansion.

Also in regards to communication, GRIN dev's do interact with people there and to communicate with end users directly when approached calmly and rationally and not in a "foaming at the mouth" state. I have had a few direct email and IM conversations with the devs and I'm nobody special. Given my few interactions with them I'm confident that they have worked to improve the situation and add new features to the game. How many and how polished those features are we will only find out when it's released.

As far as details about the game not being released and GRIN remaining mum about it, you have to remember UBI holds the purse strings and has instructed GRIN not to release any info. They have to obey those instuctions. I do not think it is due to them not wanting to provide information.

Complain all you want about UBI. At least GRIN cares and is willing to interact with the community. I feel they are doing their best with the time frame they have to meet those expectations within the design framework that UBI has specified.

[Snuff_UK]

The thing is Flimflan, I played Graw and am still in a clan. (CCI) They got it working to a reasonable level and then dropped it for graw 2, this will happen again with graw 2.
Also Grin has no choices about what is in or out and have not even acknowledged the sads question on grnet forum, which smells a bit like RSV to me.

I actually like grin but think that they need to move out of the shadow of ubi because they are going to start losing a lot of PC business in the near future.

[vapor002]

If it says UBI on the box there is NO way I'm buying it.

And thats coming from a customer that bought:

R6 Rouge Spear
Urban Operations
Black Thorn
Athena's Sword (two copies)
Raven Shield (two copies)
Lockdown (two copies)(don't ask)
Splinter Cell
SC Pandora Tomorrow
BattleField 2
GRAW

Probably more but thats what I see on my shelf at the moment.

[Pest_AWC]

UBI is the perfect example of how a monopoly is a horrible thing for consumers. EA is their only real competion.

At first, we only had to worry about games that UBI both produced and published, like Vegas. Now they are forcing the companies they own to follow this business model:

1) Release game on schedule regardless of game being finished and patch later (maybe)

2) Do not under any circumstances communicate any intentions of future support or anything more than basic features

3) Hold invitation only game reviews and only invite reviewers that are in our pockets. Any reviews less than 80% positive will not have that reviewer invited again. Screen all questions for interviews so someone can't ask "Will this game be released buggy and never fixed like Game X?".

It is a shame that they can treat the customer like dirt and the only thing we can do about it is keep playing the older games that work.

[spacenerd]

Originally posted by Snuff_UK:
I am just asking because I have a funny feeling that we wont hear anything from ubi about the patch that we arent getting until graw 2 is out.

Also I would like to point out that anybody who goes and buys any ubi game after the way that we have been treated here needs their head examining.

Agreed I won't be buying either myself.

[Peanut_Nomad]

Unless UBI supports Vegas I will not be making another UBI purchase, regardless that I have been looking forward to GRAW2. I'm sticking by my guns on this one. No Vegas then no UBI. That's all there is to it.

[GHOST_Sup]

Look at this review (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/worldwariisquadron/player_review.html?id=307310)

[StopTheLies]

One of the things that the BBB specifically looks when evaluating complaints against a business, is if there is a pattern of misconduct.

I believe that the link you just posted above shows that pattern. Not only with just FPS games, but with all PC games that UBI puts out.

I will be highlighting that link and sending it on to the BBB as an update to my complaint.

Thanx



SODsniper

[GHOST_Sup]

I'm here for ya Sniper. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[GHOST_Sup]

BTW..all of the trailers I have seen for this game are taken from the XBOX 360, which seems to me where UBI is focusing. You notice how UBI releases all their games for all platforms these days? It's all about getting their wallets fatter. No way in hell I'll buy this game or any other game by UBI.

[HALCON4]

Not buying gr AW FULL too, like in grawfull of bugs , they even do it again , DELAY it .

They should just called it A. W.

It's almost enpty that gamespy looby, what a FIASCO A.W. was... and it's still.



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
regards

[xenon_md]

R6 Rouge Spear
Urban Operations
Black Thorn
Athena's Sword (two copies)
Raven Shield (two copies)
Lockdown (two copies)(don't ask)
Splinter Cell
SC Pandora Tomorrow
BattleField 2 <--- EA title btw.
GRAW



Quite generally (for any game and any company), I would add:


* Map editor, SDK, ALL the modding tools
* SADS
* At least one expansion pack, two is even better
* Full support (updates, downloadable bonus maps, etc)
* Communication with devs (development journals, etc)
* No in-game advertisement


If people dont buy the game in the first place this level of post-release support will NEVER HAPPEN. Your basicaly just going to put the game in the ground before its even on the shelf by boycotting it.

[dirtykryte1]

If people dont buy the game in the first place this level of post-release support will NEVER HAPPEN. Your basicaly just going to put the game in the ground before its even on the shelf by boycotting it.



And judging from vegas, we wont get it by buying the game either. At least boycotting it will keep 50 more dollars in our pocket while no post-release support is being made..

[beenrippedoff]

Well Im not getting it and neither are my clan, especiallly after this fiasco here.

[KFORF-Gaz]

GRAW 2 is being delayed 3 months according to ghostrecon.net

it's here (http://www.ghostrecon.net/index-graw2pc.html)

HAHAHAHAHA, it'll turn out sh1te anyways.

[FreeSniper2110]

Looks like [SOD] will have to update their time clock now.

http://rvsmaps.us/ubi.htm

[Snipe4Me]

Originally posted by xenon_md:
If people dont buy the game in the first place this level of post-release support will NEVER HAPPEN. Your basicaly just going to put the game in the ground before its even on the shelf by boycotting it.

So, your suggestion is, fork out (yet) another 50 bucks so we can comeback here to bicker, nag, whinne and get ban for doing so for (yet) another half-finished game? No thank you, it costs me a lot of time to make $50.00 bucks so I rather keep it and wait for the true reviews.

For me, this makes less sense being a SP only gamer due to the fact that most patches being made are mostly for MP player so in the end, I always end up with the short-end of the stick.

And how will you get reviews? Enough people will be bamboozled into buying sight unseen and you'll read about it on the forums. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[vapor002]

Originally posted by xenon_md:
If people dont buy the game in the first place this level of post-release support will NEVER HAPPEN. Your basicaly just going to put the game in the ground before its even on the shelf by boycotting it.

Good! When you spend a great deal making a game and people don't buy it then it forces you to take a look at why. Perhaps during that examination someone will have the honesty to look at the customer relations and support and realize that given a good product with support PC users of the R6 franscise will heavily support a product.

If not we won't.

Asking us to buy a game just so we can sponsor support for a company that has shown that it is not a priority for them is to me a very questionable idea at best.


If people dont buy the game in the first place this level of post-release support will NEVER HAPPEN.

This level of post-release support SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Why would you keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

[rogerwilco99]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[Snake_1968]

They will keep doing because they don't know better and they think it is going to help. Just like all the people that got this game. Some of us tried to tell people what was up and no one wanted to listen to it. So you are going to get the same for the next game people are going to run out and get it and this is just going to keep going and nothing is going to get fixed. Just look at the smoke and mirrors they pull. People keep bring up the SADS look at the last to R6 games look at GRAW and ask do you think it is going to happen now. Why would they do that what would they get for it? You need think about it look they could say YES or NO but you know what they are just going to say you have to wait and see. Well wait and see what happens I bet it is the same all over. Just like it has been.

[Vagyr]

UBI has now joined EA on my "do not buy" list. At least until either starts releasing games of the quality of OGR and R63. The "consolization" of PC games over the last few years disturbs me quite a bit.

[REV1Z]

I will not be putting another dime towards a ubi product, specially the clancy series. Other company's are comming out with games like ARMA to fill the void UBI has left behind. So i will invest in those game instead.

[REV1Z]

Originally posted by Vagyr:
UBI has now joined EA on my "do not buy" list. At least until either starts releasing games of the quality of OGR and R63. The "consolization" of PC games over the last few years disturbs me quite a bit.


Yea but atleast they support their games. Last game i bought off them though was BF2 but it has recieved over 500mb's worth of patches, mostly because the game i still feel is broken but atleast they are trying to do something about it.

[jon_bravo]

heres another bad port review haha

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/residentevil4/player_review.html?id=430337

this site seems great for honest reviews etc

so i downloaded RE4 since thers no demo and with ubis history didnt really wanna buy a game to throw in the bin. it looks like they ported it from gamecube to playstation 1 or something rofl http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

i think EA are great in terms of game support, bf2142 runs and looks great for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 0 probs.

oh and im not buying GRAW2 or any other ubi game unless vegas gets fixed n i get my moneys worth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif