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mortoma
02-20-2008, 08:38 AM
There is another thread about one of our forum old timers leaving because of some personal attacks. I don't understand the thin-skinned, "can't handle it" attitude. Heck, if anybody should have left a long time ago due to attacks, it's me. But I pay little attention or maybe I'll block a few people. A lot of people dislike me for whatever reason, possibly it's that I hold little back and am not scared to say what I think. Or because maybe I'm a totally right-winged person that is solidly intransigent about his opininons and cannot be argued with at all. At least not usually, I have admitted to being wrong a few times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

But if people want to leave because somebody called them names or worse, that's their preroggative!! I sure ain't gonna.

LEBillfish
02-20-2008, 08:40 AM
doo doo head................................... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
There is another thread about one of our forum old timers leaving because of some personal attacks. I don't understand the thin-skinned, "can't handle it" attitude. Heck, if anybody should have left a long time ago due to attacks, it's me. But I pay little attention or maybe I'll block a few people. A lot of people dislike me for whatever reason, possibly it's that I hold little back and am not scared to say what I think. Or because maybe I'm a totally right-winged person that is solidly intransigent about his opininons and cannot be argued with at all. At least not usually, I have admitted to being wrong a few times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

But if people want to leave because somebody called them names or worse, that's their preroggative!! I sure ain't gonna.

Agreed, Mortoma.

Any forum member who posts reasonably regularly will at some point cross with another character. eventually, you`ll get 3 or 4 (on average) members who just don`t like you for whatever reason, ie, you stood up to them, corrected them, ignored them, crossed culture misunderstandings (a regular one) whatever.

These characters will attack sometimes. either sniper potshots from behind others for the cowards, or open warfare for the braver ones. Whatever, they`ll use every trick in the the book short of getting banned to get through your skin and that`s why you gotta be tough skinned.

Some may also try to goad you into a fight; ignore them. Don`t fight on their terms. Fight on yours.

I`ve been called all sorts of things in my time here and in the end it just washes over and is gone. Most of them are cowardly since they`ll use insults on you, sometimes veiled, sometimes obtuse, then they`ll not look at your reply cos they`re scared what you have in store for them.

the ones I really dispise are those who complain to Mods behind your back when they`re just as wrong rather than deal with you face-to-face.

Sometimes, ignore, sometimes fight and give as good as you get, sometimes even apologise if you were wrong and they`re worthy enough for it. I don`t apologise to people who aren`t going to appreciate it, btw.

But NEVER leave because of them.


That said, there`s also the silver lining. some arch-enemies have turned out to be unlikely friends and some friends become arch enemies. You don`t really know on the internet what you`ll come across.

BSS_CUDA
02-20-2008, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
doo doo head................................... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

POO POO Britches http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Gringo_UK1
02-20-2008, 09:00 AM
I fart in your general direction!!! Your mother was a hamster and you father smelt of elderberries!!! Now go away you silly English k-nig-it type person!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXpxEqo-KZQ

Pirschjaeger
02-20-2008, 09:05 AM
I don't think anyone leaves for being dissed only once.

There seems to be a very small group who are recently trying to reset the tone. It's a shame that people seem to focus more on these few individuals rather than the respectable majority.

What keeps these few going is the attention they get from the rest of the community. Without the extra attention I'm sure they'd fall in line or simply go away.

Attention only fuels their behavior.

Fritz

JG52Uther
02-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Well what I posted I should not have done.It was a private matter between me and the CM's and should not have appeared in the forum.Its easy to type before you think.Luckily it was locked.

Pirschjaeger
02-20-2008, 09:15 AM
Uther,

I think it's a little odd to leave due to one or two people. What about all the ones who do respect you? Sure they outnumber the first group.

Fritz

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Uther,

I think it's a little odd to leave due to one or two people. What about all the ones who do respect you? Sure they outnumber the first group.

Fritz

I think a lot of people get much more affected by a couple of insults from some silly characters than we realise.

LEBillfish
02-20-2008, 09:32 AM
However, some people need to not be so easily offended by text.

Seriously and not flaming anyone, yet if you'd seen half the stuff that has been posted and had deleated on the forum directed at me, sent to me in PM, said to me in chat in HL, and oddly worst of all over comms....You'd realize that most "I'm quitting" reasons are petty.

My motto?......Why should I go when they can hang themselves.....and it doesn't take an "ignore key" to ignore someone.

Messaschnitzel
02-20-2008, 10:04 AM
As others posted, sooner or later people will lock up with others because of differences of opinion and beliefs. Like it or not, the internet has become a "Second Life" virtual world where it can affect people to the extent that it can drive a person to suicide, as in the "Facebook" incident. People who have a long time history on any forum will automatically have a reputation and investment to protect. There is an definite underlying hierarchy to forums. Look at the word "noob", the connotations it implies, and the way it is used in the game forums. It is at once an apology, an excuse, and an insult, all in the way it is used in context with a situation.

In practical terms, to get into a virtual world vindictive p!ssing match is a waste of time. I wonder about how people deal with the real world if they lose their temper and fall to pieces over a mere argument on an internet forum. An argument of a controversial subject with mature adults does not have to devolve into childish behind the scenes vindictiveness.

What I have witnessed is that arguments tend to blow up as soon as the derogatory comments and accusations are posted. Perhaps the moderators of a forum would perhaps have to be more harsh in discipline towards people who abuse others, such as a temporary ban on beople who commit these would be infractions?

Pirschjaeger
02-20-2008, 10:21 AM
The difference between the virtual world and the real world is that the virtual world will not give you a black eye or a bloodied nose. So I think it boils down to accountability and responsibility. It's also tricky to catch the exact meaning sometimes. It's easy to misinterpret.

I've always felt that personalities on the net are often quite different in real life and that most are much less aggressive face to face.

Messaschnitzel
02-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
The difference between the virtual world and the real world is that the virtual world will not give you a black eye or a bloodied nose. So I think it boils down to accountability and responsibility. It's also tricky to catch the exact meaning sometimes. It's easy to misinterpret.

I've always felt that personalities on the net are often quite different in real life and that most are much less aggressive face to face.

You are absolutely correct. At one point, I purchased a game that had some bugs in it. I joined the game forum to ask when a patch would be out, without checking the previous posts on this subject. I was then PM'ed by one of the Developer/moderators with a derisive message that amounted to a F'you, that included the words "noobie", and "RTFM". A few days later, I happened to notice that the address of the developer was on the back of the CD case liner that was typed in small print. The place was only a 20 min. drive away, so I thought what the heck. I went into the complex where the place was and asked for the person, using their internet moniker. Immediately, several people turned to look at a particular cubicle. I walked over to the cubicle and introduced myself to the guy sitting there by using my moniker. I explained that there was no need to be abusive to me when all I was asking for was an answer to an innocent question. A few moments after he settled down, he explained to me why he wrote what he wrote was because he had been swamped with the same question, and subsequently lost his temper. A reasonable excuse, so I left after he assured me that they were indeed working hard on a patch.

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:


I've always felt that personalities on the net are often quite different in real life and that most are much less aggressive face to face.

I ALWAYS try to avoid a fight in real life. Primarily because it`s very dangerous. If anyone starts or picks on me, I`ll usually let it go. If they keep at it, i`ll ask them `why?` If it doesn`t stop, I`ll turn and face them, with an ultimatum. At this point, they stop.

But SOMETIMES because in reality, I`m actually a very polite guy, and give them a few chances to correct themselves they think I won`t do anything except talk. Then go one step further and only then will I take action. then they stop the harassment.

Unfortunately, I`ve had to prove this not so pleasant side of me more than once and I don`t like fighting, believe me. I don`t like the unpleasantness of it all, even if I win. But neither will I be bullied by someone who thinks `he`s weak cos he`s nice`.

The net is a little different because I can`t really say, "Why are you attacking me? Let`s just get along." Since it just gets seen in the wrong context and looks weak on a forum. There`s no facial image or tone of voice to read that brings context to every situation.

R_Target
02-20-2008, 09:51 PM
Apparently I've earned the enmity of a couple of people here by simply correcting their chronically bad information. It's no big deal though. Won't lose sleep over IL2 forums, that's for sure.

MEGILE
02-21-2008, 12:18 AM
I hate you R_Target.

1941 came before 1938 be sure!1

R_Target
02-21-2008, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
I hate you R_Target.

1941 came before 1938 be sure!1

I'd just like to remind you that we have agents everywhere.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2q9vpxw.jpg

buzzsaw1939
02-21-2008, 07:28 AM
As silly as smileys are, they do help!

I've noticed that those that don't use them get into flame wars more than others, I just wish we had better ones, these don't seem to cover a lot of feelings! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

OMK_Hand
02-22-2008, 11:43 AM
Those bas***d smileys!

DuxCorvan
02-22-2008, 12:38 PM
Nobody attacks me, because they know I could take their women with a single touch of my organ.
http://lh3.google.com/fegovi/RwnmNFIdySI/AAAAAAAABSk/YVwl0e15haU/Organo.jpg?imgmax=512

Ishmael932
02-22-2008, 12:49 PM
I console myself with the knowledge that, with a background in precision-guided weaponry, semiconductor fabrication and telecommunications, I can utterly and totally destroy anybody who calls me names from wherever I happen to be at any one time. That way I can let the small stuff slide like water off a duck's back.

Besides, I never engage in a battle of wits with unarmed people.

Messaschnitzel
02-22-2008, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Nobody attacks me, because they know I could take their women with a single touch of my organ.
http://lh3.google.com/fegovi/RwnmNFIdySI/AAAAAAAABSk/YVwl0e15haU/Organo.jpg?imgmax=512

Yeah, that Toccata and Fugue in D minor is a real chick magnet. that's why I used to make women watch "Rollerball", when I managed to lure them into my apartment after a date. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

P.S. There is only one man that can portray Jonathan E., and that is Jimmy Caan. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Monterey13
02-22-2008, 01:33 PM
Well, I am the same in RL as I am on the net. I like to cut up alot. I tease people just for fun, and sometimes I can go a bit far and irk them.(huh BF)? It's all in fun, and no harm is meant. I usually get along with everyone anywhere I go, as I am the laid back type.

If you like me, that's fine.
If you don't like me, that's fine too.
I love everybody. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

huggy87
02-22-2008, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
The difference between the virtual world and the real world is that the virtual world will not give you a black eye or a bloodied nose. So I think it boils down to accountability and responsibility. It's also tricky to catch the exact meaning sometimes. It's easy to misinterpret.

I've always felt that personalities on the net are often quite different in real life and that most are much less aggressive face to face.

You are absolutely correct. At one point, I purchased a game that had some bugs in it. I joined the game forum to ask when a patch would be out, without checking the previous posts on this subject. I was then PM'ed by one of the Developer/moderators with a derisive message that amounted to a F'you, that included the words "noobie", and "RTFM". A few days later, I happened to notice that the address of the developer was on the back of the CD case liner that was typed in small print. The place was only a 20 min. drive away, so I thought what the heck. I went into the complex where the place was and asked for the person, using their internet moniker. Immediately, several people turned to look at a particular cubicle. I walked over to the cubicle and introduced myself to the guy sitting there by using my moniker. I explained that there was no need to be abusive to me when all I was asking for was an answer to an innocent question. A few moments after he settled down, he explained to me why he wrote what he wrote was because he had been swamped with the same question, and subsequently lost his temper. A reasonable excuse, so I left after he assured me that they were indeed working hard on a patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should have gone Jay and Silent Bob on his @ss.

MEGILE
02-22-2008, 02:00 PM
Everyone's mother in this thread, wears army boots.

Pirschjaeger
02-22-2008, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Nobody attacks me, because they know I could take their women with a single touch of my organ.


Only the farmers fear your musical incantations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/3sheepdancers.gif

Messaschnitzel
02-22-2008, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by huggy87:

You should have gone Jay and Silent Bob on his @ss.

My intention was to go see this person so he/she could explain why they wrote such a nasty, undeserved reply to my query. I wasn't going to open up on them unannounced and potentially aggravate the situation. I was in their offices to begin with, so if there was to be any trouble, guess who gets a ride to jail.

Besides, when I saw the guy sitting there staring at me while I was talking to him, any thoughts of maybe getting even were gone. He reminded me of Garth, from "Wayne's World". He was this soft blob that had full sleeve tattoos and long black hair. He also had these distorted earlobes that had these big rings stuck inside them. The thing that made me really laugh was that when these guys were at their cubicles, I noticed that they were of the same cut of cloth, were similarly attired, and they all had painted their fingernails black. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif What surprised me was that when I was standing in front of this guy while we spoke, nobody else there said a word, or walked over to see what the problem was and maybe help this guy.

What also made me laugh on my way out, was when I saw that someone had written "Vampires own the night" on a bulletin board next to the door. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ishmael932
02-22-2008, 03:38 PM
I didn't play much sports in school because I was working jobs from the age of 14 on. All through high school there was one cretin that gave me grief all through school. I ran into the idiot at my 15-year reunion and he was still a schmuck. Meanwhile I had filled out from 6'3" and 154 lbs to 6'4" and 240 lbs. so remembering an old Archie comic book from my childhood, this is what I did:

I bet him $20 I could give him a black eye without touching him. He was drunk and stupid so he took the bet. I then punched his lights out and paid him the $20. "Sorry, I lost. Here's your money." Don't want to be known as a welcher.