Archer tips

[lelorien]

Hey there. My best class on multiplayer is assassin. The thing is I want to be an archer. The problem is that I am not a very good archer. Does anybody have tips to help me get better?

[lelorien]

Hey there. My best class on multiplayer is assassin. The thing is I want to be an archer. The problem is that I am not a very good archer. Does anybody have tips to help me get better?

[Pyrokinesis]

Yea only tip i got for arching is either come in close and use the posion arrows to get xp up untill the u get drill arrows then just get lvl 3 reload and cross then ull be happy. Otherwise u REALLY need to be lucky to ACTUALLY use an archer for long range. The archer in multi is just not physicaly right. Arrows dont move that slow in the air and they deffinitly move alot straighter in the air. They deffinitly need to fix this. Go shoot a real compound bow and ull see it DEFFINITLY dosent shoot that weird of an arc. Man they need some fixes.

[Salvation1988]

Well i'm not sure why the arc is in the game, but i know for a fact that the only way to penetrate armour from any sort of distance is to aim upward so the arrow comes down assisted by gravity. A "straight" shot would fail to penetrate plate armour over a distance. (Using English yew longbows and English Plate as case examples.)

So although yes, real life bows dont shoot in an arc, without some sort of arc to the arrow attained by firing the arrow upwards, it wouldnt logically penetrate armour (so basically if this is an argument based on realism, the fixes you suggest should make warriors arrow immune over range.)

Unless, of course your new "straight" arrow shots were fired up into the air. And i would LOVE to see someone guesstimate that considering none of the maps are set up for such arrow physics, except perhaps the outside of stonehelm.

Suppose drill arrow would still technically work but again realistically, adding such curvitures to the arrow would probably make its flight pattern erratic, but dont quote me on that.

About speed, an arc arrow travels slower than a straight one because it takes longer to go up then down than it does in a straight line. So yes, i'd say DM has a fairly logical and balanced arrow system http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Uh lets see...archer tips? Um...dont try and fire at a sprinting target, wait until it runs out of stamina or your sure you'll hit. I tend to take a lot of archers down without a scratch because they fire too early.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[antiy4ho0]

Very first upgrade points should be spent on maxing reload. The faster you can fire arrows, the more kills you'll get. Without points in greased arrows you'll have a hard time dealing with melee classes. I would spend your first 4 points on maxing greased arrow and putting at least 1 point into composite bow. I usually max composite bow, but you could go for other things after you get those first points in.

Lead your target. You ALWAYS have to lead your target, unless of course they're not moving. The easiest targets are people that are moving in a straight line, since you only need to lead your arrow in one direction. It really comes down to practice, and getting how fast the arrows move, how they arc, and how long they'll take to hit your target.

Learn to kite! Kiting is sprinting one way and jumping as your hit with a melee attack. If you do it correctly, the melee attack will push you back a few feet and allow you enough time to get another arrow off. Learning how to manage your stamina means you are virtually unstoppable against melee classes. This is even more true if you use double/triple shot.

Always keep an arrow ready to shoot. Since you don't have a stamina restriction while holding an arrow, theres no reason not to always have an arrow ready. Remember that you can light your arrows on fire on torches (most of the time, it seems like its a bit buggy and doesn't work half the time). You can also light them on a fire mage's fireball. Don't waste skill points getting flame arrow, theres plenty of torches in the game, and you can get free flame arrows, Use those torches!

Use the arc to your advantage. I absolutely love that arrows arc, because that means you can shoot up a hill and hit people standing on top and they can't even see you! This is really useful for stairs/steep slopes that lead to spawn points since you know enemies will be there.

If your going to use poison arrow, don't keep shooting them with poison arrow. It does less damage than a regular arrow, so hit them once with the poison then switch back to regular. Same thing goes with Double arrow. If they survive your first doubleshot, switch to single shot since you can shoot them much faster and they'll be nearly dead.

Do NOT panic when a melee class gets in your face. Remember to kite, and keep firing arrows as fast as you can draw them.

Also, one last thing. Arrows cause fireballs to explode! While this isn't real important, remember it when some fire mage is spamming his huge AoE fireball across the bridge on the Undead's fort. You can make that fireball absolutely useless by causing it to explode over the middle (I guess this is kind of a moot point since the last capture point on this map is so much easier to get after the patch, but its a fun tidbit either way.)


-Edit

I totally forgot to mention, Fire mages almost ALWAYS stop moving when they shoot a fireball which means, they're easy targets. If you see a Mage cast a fireball, take your time and fully charge your arrow for an easy 58 damage. Same goes with priestess' while healing. Most people heal in the middle of a huge opening and do not move at all. Take em out.

-Edit#2

libertyre666 says that Poison/Fire arrow does the same damage as a regular arrow and then stacks the poison/fire damage. Last time I checked they did reduced damage, but maybe that changed in the last patch.

[Oakwarrior]

Also, one good tip: Stay out of the way. Unless you're keen on shotgunning your opponents, you should steer clear of the boiling point of the battle, stay close enough, but not too close. If there's a torch nearby, then it's even better.

I tend to shoot the first 4 points into the Composite bow upgrade, because you'll hit more often, and further away. Your nock time will suffer, but you'll live with it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If it's not suitable for you, do as anti here.

And..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Go shoot a real compound bow and ull see it DEFFINITLY dosent shoot that weird of an arc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. No compund bows here.
2. You really, really, really shouldn't shoot straight into a plated warrior, as Salvation so kindly described earlier.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[antiy4ho0]

I forgot another thing, Oak's post reminded me though.

Do NOT spam arrows at enemies meleeing your team. Take the extra time to line up your shot. Its probably better if you don't even help them at all until your used to using archer, because people just love to hit that slay button when you try and help them out (especially when your shot could of saved them from imminent death). So really, if two warriors are battling and strafing like crazy, wait for one of them to kill each other, then take your shot if need be. However if they're both standing in one spot clanging their swords against each other like slowfolk, Nail the enemy warrior in the head with an arrow and tell him he should strafe more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Oakwarrior]

I recommend not spamming at ANYWHERE where your team is. It'll most probably hurt them and piss 'm off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[lelorien]

When I shoot a mages fireball that is still in his hands does it blow up? When I'm engaed in melee do i pull my arrow all the way back?

Also just 2 questions for assassins: Is it recommended to use lock-on mode when trying to backstab? What do I do when caught in melee with a warrior?

[Salvation1988]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by antiy4ho0:
I forgot another thing, Oak's post reminded me though.

Do NOT spam arrows at enemies meleeing your team. Take the extra time to line up your shot. Its probably better if you don't even help them at all until your used to using archer, because people just love to hit that slay button when you try and help them out (especially when your shot could of saved them from imminent death). So really, if two warriors are battling and strafing like crazy, wait for one of them to kill each other, then take your shot if need be. However if they're both standing in one spot clanging their swords against each other like slowfolk, Nail the enemy warrior in the head with an arrow and tell him he should strafe more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Amen to not firing like an idiot at your own warrior<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[lasse111]

aye important rule to cease fire when your mates are in melee.

Uh why?

1) You could hit them with and charged arrow, which deals 56 damage and may kill them.. Which piss many off.

2) Pissed off people slay!

3a) Don't intefare with warrior duels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3b) Even when you hit the enemy warrior and kill him, you still interrupt the duel. Which sometimes piss off
your warrior teammate who was dueling.

3c) And believe me, you dont want a smiley in the chat that looks like this! -.- or =_= or http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif or maybe even http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif


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[Salvation1988]

The main issue with mages/archers firing into warrior combat isnt really that they're intterupting (well, yes, sometimes :P)

But that warrior combat is unpredictable, warriors usually circle each other, step back, foward, up, down, upside down, on mountains, in space, on the edge of a burning volcano and so on.

No archer has such a good aim, and such a brain that can calculate every possible eventuality and return a percentage chance of hitting the enemy warrior and then loose the arrow. Notice that even if you COULD do that, its still a "percentage chance" of hitting the enemy because theres uncontrollable factors involved. You may have a perfect shot at the enemy, but then your own warrior moves slightly to the left, so the enemy moves also, and bang, down goes your warrior.

Warriors have every right to slay people that cant grasp basic mathematical/geometrical/trigonomi...cal principles. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[Kartabon]

The best thing is like Oak says, spend your points in the composite bow hability and be near fights, but not too close... However, the really good player will be able to hit enemies on large distances, so i recommend you to practice a lot with archers... I dont lie you saying you that you wont die often... I spent hours with archer and obtained 0-10 points until now, that i take 5-5 points... However, to be an excelent archer, you must be quick and accurate, and have low ping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[libertyre666]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">libertyre666 says that Poison/Fire arrow does the same damage as a regular arrow and then stacks the poison/fire damage. Last time I checked they did reduced damage, but maybe that changed in the last patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yeah....need to do archers a bit more. Not sure atm.

Other then that Anti had some really good tips. Archer is the class I suck the most at. I usually play Warrior.


My tips for archers, as someone who pastes alot of them: 1. If you have double/triple shot and are fighting a warr/assy...WAIT. The reload time on those 2 shots are tortorusly slow. You may have to take one wack, but it will be worth it. 2 or 3 arrows will hit and insta-kill him. Good warrs will wait for a doub/trip shot to be loosed before closing the final distance. Then I will power strike that archer, thus slapping the taste out of his mouth, I mean, The arrows off his bow, and quick attack him to death.

Another tip, keep scanning all around you. Alot of archers nock their bow... and fixate where they are gonna shoot. Think of how that looks to me as an assassin staring at you back....

A really good archer is what scares me the most when playing a warrior. Patience, skill, and obeservation make a good archer!

[antiy4ho0]

Those are some good tips liberty. I actually came on to post what you said about double/triple arrow. You guys know what a spear wall is right? Spearmen hold the frontline, with shields and spears and they take on the on coming charge without moving or striking until the enemy is right in front of them. Using double/triple shot should be the same way. I usually don't even move if I'm not out in the open I just sit and wait for the warrior to get right in front of me, then release. As soon as I release I switch to my regular arrow just in case by some fluke hes still alive.

Liberty also said to keep scanning all around you, and that is another great tip, but its not just for archers. I play assassin a lot and you can tell who is a newbie spell spamming mage and whos someone that knows what they're doing. The newbies run in straight lines, and always look to their destination. Smart people look all around them the whole time they're moving to their destination. This keeps you from being suprised from behind, and lets you know where everyone is.

[lasse111]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kartabon:
and have low ping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woot, good tip! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Suppose this tip is good for any class? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[Kartabon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lasse111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kartabon:
and have low ping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woot, good tip! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Suppose this tip is good for any class? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More for archer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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[poireaux]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I totally forgot to mention, Fire mages almost <span class="ev_code_RED">ALWAYS</span> stop moving when they shoot a fireball which means, they're easy targets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thats not true. A good fire mage ALWAYS strafe when he casts a fireball (i personnaly do it). Look at this video from a good fire mage http://www.fragbox.com/salle/download/id.php?dl=101

[antiy4ho0]

You put red on the wrong word.

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Theres more newbies playing mages than any other class, and that means theres more people standing stationary while casting.